| I find myself being remarkably social, considering my extreme introversion. This is likely due to me being part of the Magic: the Gathering society, and just last year having co-founded a fraternity. Back in first year, though, I only hung out with a few people, and was only on campus for classes. |
| Time waits for no one... DrunkenBlowfish said: Ho-oh, I'd imagine its like a Skittles flavored turkey. |
Rothion said: Working on people skills, exposing yourself to new things and building connections is hardly a waste of time.Social interaction is just a waste of time. It's not worth it to waste time during education. |
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| Way more than I want, I'm not a very social person, but I force myself to make more contacts and be part of more groups. |
zoknimano said: Rothion said: Working on people skills, exposing yourself to new things and building connections is hardly a waste of time.Social interaction is just a waste of time. It's not worth it to waste time during education. There's a saying in the employment field that says something along the lines of: "If a person looking to hire someone else had to choose between two people of equal skill/requirement, they will always choose the one they can go drinking with". Being social and confident is very important for jobs. It's not just something that stops after school. That's a very common misconception. Plus networking during college is important because you can meet people that could possibly land you a job in the future. It's not about what you know, it's about who you know. |
daveSep 17, 2014 8:52 AM
| ^ Well, it's not like there are no jobs for introverts :) |
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| absolutely zero interaction outside of work and class. Graduating this year and think it would have been good to join a club or two, really should have. |
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| I started university 5 days ago. New city, knew no one there. But I've been out every night socialising and have spent way too much. I'm the sort of person who makes an effort to socialise in awkward situations to make other people feel more comfortable and have a good time. |
YumeNoMonogatari said: ^ Well, it's not like there are no jobs for introverts :) Not saying that isn't true, just that a person's career isn't solely bound by their college education. Sometimes you need to have a knack for networking in a job environment, even if you dislike being that way because you're introverted. And this networking begins in college. You're just more likely to get hired by people who like you as a person and want to work with you, instead of dislike you as a person. Plus you can always fake the conversations anyway. False confidence, is still confidence. Sometimes it's even more confident then the real thing. |
| You better utilize college to the most, my nigga. Just trust me, you'll thank me when all those networks (social and professional) will come in handy and play a big part in your after-graduate life. |
causeez said: they will always choose the one they can go drinking with Bullshit. In my country all people care are diplomas and experience If the applicant is a woman they look for the one they want to fuck. |
PerfectScore said: I was in a pretty social residence floor where everyone was chill with each other. I would argue we had the best don on the entire campus. Parties were a common occurrence at REV, and I never had many assignments, so a pinch more time spent doing that. I put the time to attend any event that could get me closer to big companies, such as hackWATERLOO. It paid off when I attended the AFM workshop made only for AFM students, and because I was able to to talk to the representative of a firm about ideas unrelated to AFM, I was referred to a different section of the his firm, and summer co-op for myself. CSClub and PMC helped me with a lot of my math work, but Ctrl-A (the anime club) was just watching anime, so I never went back. Here's a message of encouragement and some tips for those who are either anti-social in university or college or plan on going to a good university: If you plan on going to a school with a reputation of prestigious status and decide the best way to spend your time is to look yourself in a room, then you might as well have gone to a third-rate university (unless you plan on going into research). You don't go to Harvard because their business program can teach you how to be successful, you go there because there are a lot of people there you can connect with, smart, rich or powerful. This is especially important for business or financial programs, where social interaction creates leverage for you to potentially landing a good job early on in your career. For many universities in programs related to engineering, science, or just about anything technical, universities set up a workshop where students present an idea or blueprint, and people from other big companies come and find anything that interests them. Similarly, business/accounting programs generally have a similar thing where representatives of big companies including the Big Four come by and students do their best to suck up and build connections. If you are participating in any of these workshops, put effort into making a good impression of yourself, and make sure what you are presenting is not crap. If your university is hosting a workshop featuring multiple companies to presenting ideas, go there and make them like you. At the most basic, university residences exist for you to meet other people on the floor, but of course YMMV. If your floor isn't working out, meet someone from another floor (via the cafeteria or guy next to you in class). There's also frosh week where people are separated into groups of their own programs. Chances are you will be seeing a few of them in classes, so talk to them. Assuming you don't have the money to pay for residence and your school is fifth-tier and has absolutely no resources with regards to presentation of ideas, you can put effort in searching for events like this where you can compete. MLH hackathons usually have dozens of company reps who check up on different hackers, and when given the chance, you can impress. Find an internship if you don't have co-op or a form of professional development system at your school. Join the voice of the student body or the anime club, make an one if you don't have it, make a club pertaining to what you study, anything. Go to sex bingo nights (and keep 3+ seats open), join the Facebook group and set up study times, everything that involves social interaction and not embarrassing yourself is a good thing. Doing an iClicker question? Talk to people around you about finding the answer. Immediately afterwards, people will find you more approachable. Many schools (especially in the higher tiers) put effort for you as students to being able to connect with top companies so you can have a good job, and maintain their reputation. The key thing they emphasize is connections, connections, connections. This is perfect advise but sadly I feel this will just go through everyone's head. |
katsucats said: So the pool of people that teachers interact with is smaller than the pool of a student?after you get a job the pool of people they interact with on a daily basis will drastically shrink for the rest of their lives. Why can't some people give it 2 seconds of thought before posting stuff? |
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| All the advice in this thread remind me of my old college days when everyone said socializing, networking, and stuff were important. But naaah. Sure, knowing some important people helps you to get a job. Sure, having experience with clubs, organizations, and all helps your CV look nicer. But, you get hired because of your own skill, afterall. If social skill matters, then what counts is the one that happened in your workplace (your sense of responsibility, your work ethics, your team work, etc), not what happened in the college. Not all people who are popular in the college become sucessful either. I know some people who were focused their college life on what-so-called socializing, but actually they were just trying to make excuse of their lack of effort to study. Not that all people who put effort in social interaction are just like that but yah, don't let it make you forget your priority. |
| When I entered computer science as my major, I assumed everyone to be antisocial and to have to actively search for new friends and acquaintances with other methods. Nevertheless, I was proven wrong. Being social is something that we do proactively. By being social, we can find people who are like-minded to us, and as a result be able to feel comfortable around more and more people. Screw the networking and whatnot. Socializing is something we have to realize is fun. It's definitely fun talking to somebody who enjoys talking about the same things as you. |
wanderingplayboy said: All the advice in this thread remind me of my old college days when everyone said socializing, networking, and stuff were important. But naaah. Sure, knowing some important people helps you to get a job. Sure, having experience with clubs, organizations, and all helps your CV look nicer. But, you get hired because of your own skill, afterall. If social skill matters, then what counts is the one that happened in your workplace (your sense of responsibility, your work ethics, your team work, etc), not what happened in the college. Not all people who are popular in the college become sucessful either. I know some people who were focused their college life on what-so-called socializing, but actually they were just trying to make excuse of their lack of effort to study. Not that all people who put effort in social interaction are just like that but yah, don't let it make you forget your priority. "Well, it didn't apply to me so obviously the advice is shit." Nothing applies to everyone (lol) |
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causeez said: No they'll just hire the guy who works for less money.zoknimano said: Working on people skills, exposing yourself to new things and building connections is hardly a waste of time. There's a saying in the employment field that says something along the lines of: "If a person looking to hire someone else had to choose between two people of equal skill/requirement, they will always choose the one they can go drinking with". Being social and confident is very important for jobs. It's not just something that stops after school. That's a very common misconception. Plus networking during college is important because you can meet people that could possibly land you a job in the future. It's not about what you know, it's about who you know. |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps!  |
Rothion said: No they'll just hire the guy who works for less money. You haven't worked many jobs, have you? Paying potential employees less money isn't a case for reputable businesses. It's more about what person would make them more money in the long run and who can do the job the most efficiently as an individual, which plays into the skills of the individual. Then, like I said, if two people who are equally skilled both apply, the person who is more outgoing and well liked or even well connected (recommendations from other people within the company), will get the job. |
Feyfray said: Mine applies to everyone.wanderingplayboy said: All the advice in this thread remind me of my old college days when everyone said socializing, networking, and stuff were important. But naaah. Sure, knowing some important people helps you to get a job. Sure, having experience with clubs, organizations, and all helps your CV look nicer. But, you get hired because of your own skill, afterall. If social skill matters, then what counts is the one that happened in your workplace (your sense of responsibility, your work ethics, your team work, etc), not what happened in the college. Not all people who are popular in the college become sucessful either. I know some people who were focused their college life on what-so-called socializing, but actually they were just trying to make excuse of their lack of effort to study. Not that all people who put effort in social interaction are just like that but yah, don't let it make you forget your priority. "Well, it didn't apply to me so obviously the advice is shit." Nothing applies to everyone (lol) |
wanderingplayboy said: Mine applies to everyone. How do people in the workplace know you're qualified to do the job both skillfully and socially? Skillfully through education, socially through connections and interviews. Connections most likely made through colleges. There's two things that get you hired, not just one. Both are needed. You're just scrapping "social behavior" and "networking" into a category of people who went to parties instead of studying and ended up flunking out. And that's not true at all. Networking can simply be talking to your professor about his research for a company. Focusing on studying and networking, opposed to just one, will leave you in better hands for job prospects. |
causeez said: I only worked one job, quit three months ago because I was getting good enough at daytrading and had enough money to stop working. A friend of mine is an employer and we discussed something similiar a while ago and he said he would always hire the one who works for less if two potential employees had the same amount of competence. Sometimes getting employees working for a low salary is even more important to the employer than competence. While I may agree that it could be easier to get a job when you have good connections that's not the deciding factor.Rothion said: No they'll just hire the guy who works for less money. You haven't worked many jobs, have you? Paying potential employees less money isn't a case for reputable businesses. It's more about what person would make them more money in the long run and who can do the job the most efficiently as an individual, which plays into the skills of the individual. Then, like I said, if two people who are equally skilled both apply, the person who is more outgoing and well liked or even well connected (recommendations from other people within the company), will get the job. |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps! |
Rothion said: I only worked one job, quit three months ago because I was getting good enough at daytrading and had enough money to stop working. A friend of mine is an employer and we discussed something similiar a while ago and he said he would always hire the one who works for less if two potential employees had the same amount of competence. Sometimes getting employees working for a low salary is even more important to the employer than competence. While I may agree that it could be easier to get a job when you have good connections that's not the deciding factor. So in other words, you're self employed trying to make subjective remarks on working for someone else with little experience in it? Oh my. |
causeez said: Connection plays a part, but not at the level that it secures you a successful life after graduating. Recruitment process isn't limited to send the CV then the interview. There are some steps that require your social skill like, group discussions, training program, and such, especially in a big company.wanderingplayboy said: Mine applies to everyone. How do people in the workplace know you're qualified to do the job both skillfully and socially? Skillfully through education, socially through connections and interviews. Connections most likely made through colleges. There's two things that get you hired, not just one. Both are needed. You're just scrapping "social behavior" and "networking" into a category of people who went to parties instead of studying and ended up flunking out. And that's not true at all. Networking can simply be talking to your professor about his research for a company. Focusing on studying and networking, opposed to just one, will leave you in better hands for job prospects. And no, I didn't interpret networking as something like that. It's just that I think connections/social networking through college is... overrated. |
causeez said: Not subjective since I discussed it with an employer. Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim.Rothion said: I only worked one job, quit three months ago because I was getting good enough at daytrading and had enough money to stop working. A friend of mine is an employer and we discussed something similiar a while ago and he said he would always hire the one who works for less if two potential employees had the same amount of competence. Sometimes getting employees working for a low salary is even more important to the employer than competence. While I may agree that it could be easier to get a job when you have good connections that's not the deciding factor. So in other words, you're self employed trying to make subjective remarks on working for someone else with little experience in it? Oh my. |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps! |
Rothion said: Not subjective since I discussed it with an employer. Right. I can quote wikipedia, would that do as well? Plus your "friend" doesn't seem like the type of employer that's very reputable. It seems they're concerned more about undercutting employees for financial gains, instead of hiring employees that will turn the highest profits, which would far outweigh costs of said employees, and actually lead to raises for those employees for a job well done. Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs. |
wanderingplayboy said: Connection plays a part, but not at the level that it secures you a successful life after graduating. Recruitment process isn't limited to send the CV then the interview. There are some steps that require your social skill like, group discussions, training program, and such, especially in a big company. And no, I didn't interpret networking as something like that. It's just that I think connections/social networking through college is... overrated. It is overrated if people think just socializing will land a job. It's also overrated to think that just getting good grades will land you a job. |
| None. People approach me, I swear people add me on facebook if I talk to them like even once which is pretty retarded lmao. Big petpeeve of mine is when people add someone they have talked to once or seen in real life. Earlier today some girl introduced herself to me and told me her whole life story and all I said was "this seat taken?"(I was late to class.) People be thirsty nowadays yo. Back in highschool I was more outgoing, but aint nobody got time pho dat nowadays |
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| I put a lot of effort into social interaction, ultimately you'll need to be able to interact with fellow peers and/or customers if you want to get anywhere in the working world unless your some sort of unrivalled genius. |
Rothion said: Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim. Here's a Forbes article that shows a sample of a survey taken from employers opinions on new hires in their 20s: http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/10/11/the-10-skills-employers-most-want-in-20-something-employees/ And an article from the AACU: http://www.aacu.org/leap/students/employers-top-ten You're welcome. You'll notice that "Will work for lowest pay" is nowhere on that list. And go figure! Communication skills are pretty important huh? |
daveSep 17, 2014 3:35 PM
Rothion said: Speaking of subjective experience, my father got in a job despite demanding more salary - and getting the increase - before he even got the job. Surely a lower salary is also not the deciding factor either. To me it seems to be experience that's the huge chunk of your chances to succeed. And networking simply give you more opportunities to even be aware of companies that are hiring, and less so about securing a position. So I'd agree it's not a deciding factor either.causeez said: Not subjective since I discussed it with an employer. Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim.So in other words, you're self employed trying to make subjective remarks on working for someone else with little experience in it? Oh my. |
causeez said: Reputation has nothing to do with it though, you just want an efficent worker for the least money possible and that's the rational decision. If you decided which you would hire someone because of reasons like this "If a person looking to hire someone else had to choose between two people of equal skill/requirement, they will always choose the one they can go drinking with." then you wouldn't be doing your job as an employer properly. You assume that the guy who's social would be a great asset to the company while every decent employer would hire the guy who works for less at same efficency because you get more out of what you're paying. Rothion said: Not subjective since I discussed it with an employer. Right. I can quote wikipedia, would that do as well? Plus your "friend" doesn't seem like the type of employer that's very reputable. It seems they're concerned more about undercutting employees for financial gains, instead of hiring employees that will turn the highest profits, which would far outweigh costs of said employees, and actually lead to raises for those employees for a job well done. Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs. "Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs." Of course, but you're confusing cutting down costs with cutting down efficency in this case. |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps! |
causeez said: You don't have to be social to have any of these abilities though, you just need basic communication skills.Rothion said: Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim. Here's a Forbes article that shows a sample of a survey taken from employers opinions on new hires in their 20s: http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/10/11/the-10-skills-employers-most-want-in-20-something-employees/ And an article from the AACU: http://www.aacu.org/leap/students/employers-top-ten You're welcome. You'll notice that "Will work for lowest pay" is nowhere on that list. And go figure! Communication skills are pretty important huh? |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps! |
Rothion said: causeez said: Reputation has nothing to do with it though, you just want an efficent worker for the least money possible and that's the rational decision. If you decided which you would hire someone because of reasons like this "If a person looking to hire someone else had to choose between two people of equal skill/requirement, they will always choose the one they can go drinking with." then you wouldn't be doing your job as an employer properly. You assume that the guy who's social would be a great asset to the company while every decent employer would hire the guy who works for less at same efficency because you get more out of what you're paying. Right. I can quote wikipedia, would that do as well? Plus your "friend" doesn't seem like the type of employer that's very reputable. It seems they're concerned more about undercutting employees for financial gains, instead of hiring employees that will turn the highest profits, which would far outweigh costs of said employees, and actually lead to raises for those employees for a job well done. Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs. "Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs." Of course, but you're confusing cutting down costs with cutting down efficency in this case. Are you 15 Rothian? Come back to this thread when your older. As a guy who worked for 4 years from fast food places to offices your really seeing the world as a black/white place. |
Amia said: I think the problem is that once you get a job, your boss will expect you to work with whoever he assigns for some project, and you don't get to complain and tell him you think the guy next to you is incompetent, unsociable, or smelly. It's really a skill to make things work with different kinds of people.I was actually quite disappointed when I found out that every program in University practices group works and pairings (each lecture!). Not sure if it's fair that I need to risk with my schoolarship and work with people who have almost no basic knowledge , for example, about Salvador Dalì , Freud or Oedipus complex even thought we study high-level psychology. Maybe it sounds arrogant, but, to call Salvador- some guy with a weird mustache. Really. Immahnoob said: Not necessarily so, but you won't find many situations where you're in an institution with 30 people per class, and wandering around you find hundreds more doing relatively the same thing as you. In jobs, you'll have co-workers, but depending on the job, your mobilization is usually much lower.Katsu, you're talking like it's harder to socialize outside school, I don't find it that way. xEmptiness said: How will you invest time into correct people if you don't know who is the correct person? On one hand, you develop the habit to connect with, and filter people that you might get along with. On the other hand, you are forced to connect to someone because those are the only people you know. I respect that some people think community participation isn't that important, but I wouldn't suggest that people be picky if they have nothing to be picky about. It's like picking your favorite marble out of a nearly empty bottle.I have to disagree with the people who consider mass socializing a good approach to building a viable network. Social networking is about investing time into the correct people, not blindly shotgunning the entire population. lupadim said: Most jobs don't require that you teach hundreds of students per term. If you're lucky enough to be a preacher or a door-to-door salesman, then maybe you're an exception.katsucats said: So the pool of people that teachers interact with is smaller than the pool of a student?after you get a job the pool of people they interact with on a daily basis will drastically shrink for the rest of their lives. Why can't some people give it 2 seconds of thought before posting stuff? |
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Rothion said: Social interaction is just a waste of time. It's not worth it to waste time during education. Said rarely anyone ever. If you feel that college is solely for furthering your knowledge, then you've made the gravest mistake. There's a reason why a college gathers intuitive students from around the world and creates the grounds for people to find others with common interests and goals. Social interaction is inevitable in college, whether or not you like it. To attend college and avoid social interaction is to forfeit its greatest asset. |
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Amia said: Salvador Dali. Now that was one screwed up dude. (with a mustache)I was actually quite disappointed when I found out that every program in University practices group works and pairings (each lecture!). Not sure if it's fair that I need to risk with my schoolarship and work with people who have almost no basic knowledge , for example, about Salvador Dalì , Freud or Oedipus complex even thought we study high-level psychology. Maybe it sounds arrogant, but, to call Salvador- some guy with a weird mustache. Really. Not saying it's unnecessary but risky and sometimes very tiring. Of course it also depends on your surroundings. When I was going to UMBC I spent all my time between classes in the library, reading. On the shelf by the place I always read was the book "The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali." After seeing that title day after day, one day I just seized that book and read it cover to cover. Well, let's just say it was quite a read. |
| I also go to a commuter school-- a community college at that. I joined some clubs and even the speech/debate team. No matter how small the group is, I still feel left out. I even became a cabinet member of a club (an environmental club) and it still felt really distant. I don't know what to think. I greet people and everything yet they still move into their little groups (not just in the clubs).;; Even people that are just as new as me seem to get along with others. What the heck am I doing wrong? OTL I even stepped into my college's anime club for two days and was met with some rude behavior. Like, the president invited me to stay for a little while, but I wasn't officially a member of the club. Here... Me: Eh heh, I probably shouldn't vote for the next anime. ;u; Girl: Why? Me: Well, I'm not an actual member, I'm just-- Girl: Then why are you here? >:I Me: Because I like anime and the president of the club invited me to come. Girl: Oh. -turns away- Me: ...The hell? (The girl looked like a casual, but maybe I did too that day? Thus, the hostility?) On the other hand, I'm in a theater class right now where everyone is really friendly. I talk to everyone there like it's no problem-- most of the time. None of us seem to really be friends but if we see each other, we can easily start a conversation, and this is the first time I've experienced this in college. |
| I don't, since networking with companies outside the college is what counts. |
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Swiggy said: I also go to a commuter school-- a community college at that. I joined some clubs and even the speech/debate team. No matter how small the group is, I still feel left out. I even became a cabinet member of a club (an environmental club) and it still felt really distant. I don't know what to think. I greet people and everything yet they still move into their little groups (not just in the clubs).;; Even people that are just as new as me seem to get along with others. What the heck am I doing wrong? OTL I even stepped into my college's anime club for two days and was met with some rude behavior. Like, the president invited me to stay for a little while, but I wasn't officially a member of the club. Here... Me: Eh heh, I probably shouldn't vote for the next anime. ;u; Girl: Why? Me: Well, I'm not an actual member, I'm just-- Girl: Then why are you here? >:I Me: Because I like anime and the president of the club invited me to come. Girl: Oh. -turns away- Me: ...The hell? (The girl looked like a casual, but maybe I did too that day? Thus, the hostility?) On the other hand, I'm in a theater class right now where everyone is really friendly. I talk to everyone there like it's no problem-- most of the time. None of us seem to really be friends but if we see each other, we can easily start a conversation, and this is the first time I've experienced this in college. I hate clubs that have a 'core tight knit group'. Why the hell do they advertise when they can all hang out together on the side. It's their responsibility to welcome and keep new members even if said members aren't social butterflies. As a VP of events for a culture association it is my goal to make members stay interested and part of the group I am in. If a member hangs in the corner of a event I make I have to give him the same treatment as the social butterfly himselfn |
| Social interactions in college is a very important thing. Having connections is always a good thing for it increases your chances of getting a job. If you're not putting an effort into interacting with people then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. |
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katsucats said: I think the problem is that once you get a job, your boss will expect you to work with whoever he assigns for some project, and you don't get to complain and tell him you think the guy next to you is incompetent, unsociable, or smelly. It's really a skill to make things work with different kinds of people. I have a job that deals with a lot of people(including incompetent colleagues aka assholes) and I'm managing quite well, thank you! |
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