Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 59 Discussion

MShukyDeneuve said:


But that can actually become "death flag" for both of them, i doubt Hitch. Probably she will tell what happened to their superior.

If Annie ever come out from that crystal, i think she will try shifting into titan as she IS enemy. That will be dangerous.

jreginald said:
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Pipoko said:


I guess to put it in a considerably more concise manner, I don't want the bad stuff the good guys did eventually be swept under the rug because it's for a "good cause". Levi still abused Historia, they tortured a guy and killed people. That's why I loved Armin's line of "we're not good people anymore" a few chapters back. They're doing bad things, but it's not justified even if they have a reason and I don't want that to change when they "win".

Pipoko said:


It's been 9 chapters of this kind of poor pacing, that 3/4 of a year for no "real" answers and only occasional action or character development moments, with always a promise, but not any real substance. Reiss is the Royal Family, Levi is an Ackerman. Titans are humans, Titans can turn human by eating a shifter, there's a mystery girl Eren and Historia saw in a dream. How about actually giving answers about stuff? The only things certain are the most obvious and a lot of the stuff takes more pages than it really needs to. Reading the translation, I feel like it could've been contained in half a chapter. There's a point where it just becomes too much.

vlasic said:
Hmm feel like Mikasa's changed without us knowing. Before she'd get all upset about losing Eren and worried about his safety, now she's just a strong soldier listening to Levi. Where's her crying and desperation for Eren? Feels like she's suddenly not so emotionally involved with him anymore.

And what about the Ape Titan? Any further development? Erwin and Hanji, no one remembers or is factoring the Ape Titan into any theories, except for the villagers turned into Titans. Seems the Ape Titan only served to bring the characters to the wall and then get rid of Reiner, Berholdt, Ymir. Still i like the story overall.

vlasic said:
Hmm feel like Mikasa's changed without us knowing. Before she'd get all upset about losing Eren and worried about his safety, now she's just a strong soldier listening to Levi. Where's her crying and desperation for Eren? Feels like she's suddenly not so emotionally involved with him anymore.

ryoko74 said:
When I looked at the raws for the first time (I can't read Chinese) I thought "Oh, no, not another chapter with no action and a lot of talks"
Then I read the english translation and changed my mind.
I think that Isayama is planning to give a mayor role both to those young MP and to Nile.

Other reader have already posted a lot about Hitch and Marlow, I would like to underline how Nile is developing too.

He's a MP's officier and he seems to have some grudges against Erwin; by now he was one of the villain.
However Erwin seems somehow to trust him, he tried to get his alliance. At that time Nile refused but now he seems really shocked by the new 3DMG-"Anti Human".
He seems to understand that he could be smashed in few seconds by the same estabilishment he was fighting for.
I bet that he'll soon become a SL's allied.
Perhaps not for high ideals, such as Marlow, but to save his own interest, such as Reeds.

Just a little question.
I have always thought that all the trainers of the 104th lived and were trained together.
However Marlow and Hitch, which belong to the 104th met Annie only after she joined the MP's. Hitch, referring to Armin and co. says something like "Annie came from the southern group as you".

So the 104th was splitted in four or more groups? Mikasa was the best of her year or just the best of the southern group?

vlasic said:
Hmm feel like Mikasa's changed without us knowing. Before she'd get all upset about losing Eren and worried about his safety, now she's just a strong soldier listening to Levi. Where's her crying and desperation for Eren? Feels like she's suddenly not so emotionally involved with him anymore.

kinkin said:


Like someone said before it all started with chapter 50. The events that happened in that chapter really changed her. If you payed close attention and read it from 51 up to now you can see those changes. She still stays close to him but there are small details like her not sitting next to him while there is an open chair. Her freaking out about Eren merging with his titan and asking Hange to stop as opposed to going yandere. Asking Levi if his injuries are ok. Letting Eren be used as bait. The biggest one is though like you said trusting her leader. While you can see she wasn't happy about aborting the mission she was able to control her emotions.

Though I'm not sure what changed her. Either Eren's speech that he would always wrap the scarf around her gave her assurance that he won't try to leave her like he always does or Mikasa finally expressing her emotions/thoughts has finally freed her. Can't keep all those emotions/thoughts bottled up for too long. Maybe both.

Either way she is still emotionally involved but who knows if they're romantic or not.
But just recently I could go for EM pairing if she behaves this way and not the stalker girlfriend mode.

Loved the Armin and Jean character development. I have to say Jean is so damn good at reading people. Only Annie and Jean can tell the similarities between Eren and Marlowe. Neither Armin or Mikasa noticed it. Armin must have too much in his head.

BTW anybody here think its fishy that they got Eren and Historia's location from someone like Marlowe/Hitch?

Reim_Seranth said:
I feel pity for Armin, but I'm also proud of him being the first one to react. Otherwise Jean would be dead. Armin has saved him three times now.

Jinkuro said:


It's pretty weird tbh, I don't thinks she's changed, why would she ?

Old_Raven said:

Armin protecting Jeans unconscious body against the Titans when Eren and Ymir were kidnapped comes to mind, but when was the other time he saved Jean's ass?

annie_leonheart said:

I don't find hitch to be that bad, even though she doesn't exactly show it she still somewhat cares about people.
I mean she mentioned the civilians casualties and Annie to Levi (looks like she actually likes Annie) plus she came back to save marlow so shes a good person inside hopefully.
To be honest shes the female version of jean (honest, realistic and kinda coward)... i think if jean went to the MP instead of survey corps he would've been exactly like her.
its good the author decided to bring those two back, i always thought they were interesting even with their brief appearance not to mention that i always wondered what their reaction would be if they ever knew about Annie.

MShukyDeneuve said:


I am aware of that that she just like female version of Jean. But that the cause of my doubt. Unlike Marlowe, she don't have any rebel intent. The difference is Jean joined SC, he even got himself involved in something unnecessary even if it dangerous, more over, his environment was great for himself to push his limit.

But Hitch was on Military Brigade, the corrupt environment will eventually also corrupted the cowards inside it, it always like that even on our history. Even she don't have any intent to betray someone, probably she just have a foolish idea about how she should report all incident she just through to their superior. What i mean is she still lack all of Jean "trigger" to gain "my" trust on her. She looks like a potential threat to me.

Ketsubutsu31 said:

I never thought of it like that. She's just like Jean before all his development. Doing whatever it takes to survive, in a cowardly fashion and being a hard head

Hitch is like eren, but he took a different path than just "slaughter the titans"

Magenero said:
I guess I was the only one that HATED this chapter. It's my reaction to oberyn martell all over again.

Pipoko said:


I guess to put it in a considerably more concise manner, I don't want the bad stuff the good guys did eventually be swept under the rug because it's for a "good cause". Levi still abused Historia, they tortured a guy and killed people. That's why I loved Armin's line of "we're not good people anymore" a few chapters back. They're doing bad things, but it's not justified even if they have a reason and I don't want that to change when they "win".

Narukami07 said:


Good.

peskylemur25 said:


Each year is a different training corp number. Everyone in this year training is 104. But there are 4 training location located in the 4 wall cites in wall rose. (There used to be 4 more in wall Maria) so hitch and Marlo's were most likely the 104 group in the eastern city. And they were the top 10'of that group. Thus each year a possibility of 40 top 10 solider (80 back before wall Maria fell) can join move into wall sina and work for the mp. Wall sina didn't have any training group because it the wall/city for rich people. (The top prize for any solider is to move and lived in wall sina.) mikasa was top 10'in southern region of the 104. Pixis is the commander of the garrison in the southern region of wall rose Most likely are at least 3 other people for wall rose garrison command.

omega_d94 said:
Oh S*** Armin pulled the trigger and saved Jean. I think that is too much of him, but hey at least he saved him from being in danger. So Hitch and Marlowe are joining Levi's side and helping them... Well that's something interesting.

TBH I'm getting kind of bored when it comes to these politics revolutionary themes instead of Titans. It is most likely losing its meaning of the title; "Attack on Titan," into, "Attack on Humans." Guess I don't get to see battling Titans for awhile.

Ah well the infiltration just got started.

Pipoko said:


Historia is kind of mentally broken and you call that "annoying", that's cruel, you know! Levi forcing her to take another role is extremely awful to happen to her because she's been living as fake for so long already. It might be necessary for their goals, but it's an absolutely awful thing. That's why I don't want this whole thing to turn out to be justified, it's been definitely acknowledged as bad, but most importantly, I don't want that acknowledgement to be taken back because their plan was successful or something. As for the tortured guy, that's also another proof that SL's actions aren't good either, they're not much better than their opposition. They torture and kill for their goals as well, it's even to the point that Kenny had 100 kills and now the SL is also responsible for 100 kills.

I guess we'll know the thematic answer to this whole thing eventually by the end of this.

jreginald said:
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Stark700 said:
It was pretty obvious Armin took action based on the events in the last chapter. Still, I give the kid credit for that. Well done.

Jean was awesome in this chapter though for this "testing".

On another note, so Hitch finally found out about Annie. Whether she believes it or not is up to her. The truth hurts I bet. At any rate, they need all the help they can get on to save Eren so I guess two more allies would be a step forward. Not bad for this chapter though. Haven't seen a Titan in awhile....

Magenero said:


He wasn't awesome he was completely STUPID. And thats 3 times he escapes death and last two was twice in a row. God I hated this chapter. The police girl who hesitated really? You have a soldier on your death brigade that can't kill those considered insurgents to the government how stupid is that? Isayama's horrible the end justifies the means, along with his possible real life beliefs of Korea are completely poured all over this chapter with both Jean and the Unicops guy approving of the scouting legions actions. I really don't like this new Armin. Seriously compare Jean's reaction to shooting a person, to Armin's reaction after he shot the girl. Jean is horrified, Armin looks coldblooded and his face shows nothing but anger. And the least worst part of this is that before, he is all - we should sacrifice anyone and everything if it helps the mission, cause this is the right way to win - (fucking bloody logic) and now he cries and feels like shit after he does kill someone. Still completely hate Mikasa and Levi, good thing there are now considered of the same family, cause now I can simply say I hate the Ackerman's. Hitch is now my new favorite character, (get lost Jean you were my FAVORITE before this issue of the manga). With just one chapter I started to love Hitch and started to get really angry with Jean. And what the hell was that kappa hair commentary? Has Isayama forgotten this series is set in Europe and nobody should know anything about japanese mythology? Dammit I want to the see Reiner, Berthold and Ymir's side of the story.