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Jun 13, 2013 8:19 PM
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KanameFujiwara said:
WTF? That is a Black Frost NOT a Jack Frost!

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dex_dash said:

I also know this is black frost. my point is that the translation went wrong because they hear "Ja'aku frost" (in this case black frost) which sounds like "Jakku frost" (Jack frost).

It's a pun. Black frost is is the best, though bad, translation of that pun.

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lackofwords said:

Also, I think they've decided not to translate it as Black Frost for political reasons, when you listen to them say it they've clearly said じゃあくフロスト and not ジャックフロスト.

In other words, the A is enunciated harder (jya-ah-ku), instead of a elongated slurred A for the latter (jya-ak-ku). Or at least that's how I like to think of it. Listen to the google translate sound for じゃあく vs ジャック. If the professional translator has problems picking that up, then they would have trouble with a lot of other words.

Some of you might be familiar with じゃあく since that word has been tossed around a lot in anime with demons in it and such. Literal translation is Evil Frost, not sure why the English game translation with Black Frost, maybe because of appearance or it just sounds better...
Jun 13, 2013 8:51 PM

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What a fantastic episode! Surely the best, from beginning to end, I felt that both the climate waited since the announcement of the anime, and I can say with conviction that this fight 'final', even if it was short, could be better than the game. A pity that the coolest characters have died, but it was predictable, it is really sad that some have died without being exploited and in vain, the weakest point of the anime, considering that there are 13 episodes would not give to do a lot, but at least they focus on a few, as with Hibiki and Daichi. I liked the flashback could have one for each character, the anime would 140% fuller.

Hibiki is giving the injured party in the middle of a battle and it comes with moral issues? Yamato has my respect, he deserves to get to the top, but Alcor will end up ruining the party l:

Eager for last. (Highlight to soundtrack that is 100x better than the game.)
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Jun 13, 2013 9:31 PM

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WillKamio said:
What a fantastic episode! Surely the best, from beginning to end, I felt that both the climate waited since the announcement of the anime, and I can say with conviction that this fight 'final', even if it was short, could be better than the game. A pity that the coolest characters have died, but it was predictable, it is really sad that some have died without being exploited and in vain, the weakest point of the anime, considering that there are 13 episodes would not give to do a lot, but at least they focus on a few, as with Hibiki and Daichi. I liked the flashback could have one for each character, the anime would 140% fuller.

Hibiki is giving the injured party in the middle of a battle and it comes with moral issues? Yamato has my respect, he deserves to get to the top, but Alcor will end up ruining the party l:

Eager for last. (Highlight to soundtrack that is 100x better than the game.)

YES THE OST! Hope it'd be released ASAP!
Jun 13, 2013 9:58 PM

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Leave it to Devil Survivor 2 to kill all my favourite characters in one episode :(
Fumi, Jungo and Hinako :'(
Jun 13, 2013 10:05 PM

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What's the point to call this series Survivor? If everyone is going to stay alive, lol seriously.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained (Girls und Panzer der Film ) / from Nishizumi Miho

Jun 13, 2013 10:13 PM

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That was a massacre alright :( I'm sad to see many characters kick the bucket. They just started to become friends ;_;

Hibiki just has to wait until half of his friends have been annihilated to save to day again. It's unfortunate that JP's best fighter was out of commission in half of the last battle.

Daichi finally became something useful, though his power-up is a bit cliche. I will accept that miracle since Daichi needs to have a major goal in this anime badly, and he had it.

My view about Yamato has improved a bit now after he started to fight with the team. Unfortunately, his greediness will be his downfall in the next episode.
Jun 13, 2013 10:23 PM

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The ED feels so empty now, there are just 6 people left in it now.

Poor Airi and Jungo ;_;
"I do not know where this love will take me..."
Jun 13, 2013 10:48 PM

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Lulz at people crying for Airi's death.
Jun 13, 2013 10:55 PM

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Woo. By far the best episode in awhile.
Jun 13, 2013 11:06 PM

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Of course, power of love/friendship shit saves de day again.

So hibiki wants to reset everything.

Jun 13, 2013 11:58 PM

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Fumi,Airi,Jungo and Hinako!!! No,why did Hinako had to die!!! I am more frustrated because of Airi and Jungo's death. So anti-climatic!!!

Though I have a feeling that everyone is going to be revived in the last episode...still its sad.
Jun 14, 2013 12:40 AM
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Stark700 said:
Leapling said:
DOES ALCOR APPEAR IN IT AT ALL? :O

Oh yes and in a badass way.



Growing to like humans, eh?
Jun 14, 2013 1:09 AM

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Even when all the people i cared about died i felt nothing nothing at all the way everything was going i just felt like in the end their gonna come back
Jun 14, 2013 1:16 AM
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They should have just named this Devil Massacre The Animation (alt. version of DS2). There is no point in calling it Survivor if all the characters are gonna die especially the hot babaes.

Are they trying to make this a foursome ending with Hibiki/Daichi/Yamato/Alcor or a reverse harem with Io/Makoto in the middle of the four or a harem with Hibiki and the rest??? Way to ruin a great game...........my frustrations are beyond explaining.

Jun 14, 2013 2:19 AM

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
They should have just named this Devil Massacre The Animation (alt. version of DS2). There is no point in calling it Survivor if all the characters are gonna die especially the hot babaes.

Are they trying to make this a foursome ending with Hibiki/Daichi/Yamato/Alcor or a reverse harem with Io/Makoto in the middle of the four or a harem with Hibiki and the rest??? Way to ruin a great game...........my frustrations are beyond explaining.

idk why I laugh so hard at this
Jun 14, 2013 3:45 AM

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For me this show just feels too predictable. As soon as I saw childhood flashback, I knew Daichi would cease being 'useless sidekick character'.

I really hope it doesn't do a reset/resurrection end because I might scream.


who are you to change this world? silly boy.
Jun 14, 2013 3:53 AM
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this episode is full of fights and somehow looks to me a lit lame all those monsters
Alcor is one of the best characters i wanna really see how will turn things now when HIbiki has support
Jun 14, 2013 4:50 AM

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I really don't know how to deal with those anime where characters that were introduced during several episodes die in a blink of an eye . It feels like they weren't important at all ... It's too sudden for me to really appreciate it ...

But globally the episode was very good , even if I don't appreciate the way they died , it brings a dramatical ambiance really nicely . I can't wait for the next episodes and the confrontation between Yamato and Hibiki .
Jun 14, 2013 5:36 AM
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Karolus said:
For me this show just feels too predictable. As soon as I saw childhood flashback, I knew Daichi would cease being 'useless sidekick character'.

I really hope it doesn't do a reset/resurrection end because I might scream.


Unfortunately, Hibiki already said that he want to fix and start over everything, saying he wants to go back to "those days", which only means he wants to restore the world.
Jun 14, 2013 5:47 AM

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I'm with the people the laugh at this show being called Devil Survivor 2. For a show called that, there sure aren't a whole helluva lot of survivors...

I'm an agreement with the guy that said this should be called Devil Massacre 2...because there's a whole lot of massacring going on in this series...including the series itself...this series is a massacre...
Jun 14, 2013 5:53 AM

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MY GOODNESS THIS EPISODE IS BEYOND MY PREDICTION .
9999999999999999999999/5
there's many people UNEXPECTEDLY died..the episode was extremely powerful.
MIND BLOWING. Now I want to watch the next episode badly...but still..this was sad ._______.
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Jun 14, 2013 5:55 AM

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Toucanbird said:
I'm with the people the laugh at this show being called Devil Survivor 2. For a show called that, there sure aren't a whole helluva lot of survivors...

I'm an agreement with the guy that said this should be called Devil Massacre 2...because there's a whole lot of massacring going on in this series...including the series itself...this series is a massacre...


its devil SURVIVOR . NOT devil SURVIVORS.
Thus we can expect the probability of ONE survivor.(that would be too sad)
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Jun 14, 2013 6:06 AM

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Frost190 said:
Karolus said:
For me this show just feels too predictable. As soon as I saw childhood flashback, I knew Daichi would cease being 'useless sidekick character'.

I really hope it doesn't do a reset/resurrection end because I might scream.


Unfortunately, Hibiki already said that he want to fix and start over everything, saying he wants to go back to "those days", which only means he wants to restore the world.


Yes, that foreshadowing only added to my initial worry haha. Ah well!


who are you to change this world? silly boy.
Jun 14, 2013 8:14 AM

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Frost190 said:
Karolus said:
For me this show just feels too predictable. As soon as I saw childhood flashback, I knew Daichi would cease being 'useless sidekick character'.

I really hope it doesn't do a reset/resurrection end because I might scream.


Unfortunately, Hibiki already said that he want to fix and start over everything, saying he wants to go back to "those days", which only means he wants to restore the world.

Damn it.. I thought so too.. I can't believe he'd kill Alcor, one of the only friends he has now, to restore the world though...
Jun 14, 2013 8:33 AM

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I have a few questions for those who have played the game: Does that Black/Jack/Evil Forest demon also exist in the game? Is it something that only Daichi can summon? Is it really so strong, apparently it is even stronger than Byakko? To be honest I find it hard to imagine it is stronger than well known mythology figure like Athena...

For this episode, while I always know that the long suffering Daichi will eventually come up with the most powerful at some critical moment, I still cannot expel the feeling of some deus-ex-machina at work here - the whole thing is very shounen cliche here, that the only strong will to help your friend is good enough.

And I was not sure Airi (and Jungo) indeed died until I saw the ED sequence. In the anime it seems they avoided at least the first explosions.

Other tidbits:

- Interesting to see the Chinese trigrams (Baqua http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_%28concept%29 ) appears as the most powerful defense against the last Septentrion.

- Love how cool Fumi faced her death: "So this is death?"

- I find it easy to guess that despite the video of death sent for Io she will no longer be killed after a brush with death in the last arc.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 14, 2013 8:48 AM

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symbv said:
I have a few questions for those who have played the game: Does that Black/Jack/Evil Forest demon also exist in the game?

Yes
symbv said:

Is it something that only Daichi can summon?

No.
symbv said:

Is it really so strong, apparently it is even stronger than Byakko?

Yes.
Jun 14, 2013 9:03 AM

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so many died again and Airi is included...

the bomb was so badass there was no escape on it...i thought Jungo will save Airi on that bomb but he shock that there was a bomb in there path and BOOM!

at last Daichi summons his powerful demon he is no longer useless now...thanks to him the last septentrion has defeated...

so, only 6 of them remains: Hibiki, Daichi, Io, Yamato, Sako and Alcor...

i hope Yamato won't die in the next episode or the last episode...

xD
Jun 14, 2013 9:29 AM

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Raaah damn this! I should have dropped this way earlier on >< I only watched it because of Yamato... everyone hates him and if dies, it'll piss me off so much...

Somehow Hibiki is soooo annoying... First time I dislike the main hero...
And lol Daichi finally had his heroic moment
Jun 14, 2013 9:37 AM

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damn this episode is so damn cool XD alchor is so badass killing that devil in the beginning :3

btw that moment when airi, nitta, daichi, etc became friend is so beautiful :3 so calm and happy :3
but then in the night airi, jungo, etc die :(
I was thinking nitta and daichi were gonna die.. thank god hibiki show up ;3

damn in the end alchor is kind of like hibiki hmm? XD
cant wait for next episode.. 2 episode to go broo~~~ XD
Jun 14, 2013 9:46 AM

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A great episode for change.
I'm also glad people explained it's Black Frost, not Jack Frost. Got me confused as hell, since in Devil survivor 1 Jack Frost is WAAAAY below many powerful demons.
Haven't gotten to playing DS2 yet, but I will :)
Jun 14, 2013 9:49 AM

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Subs are out, and the biggest error that stood out to me is they translated the demon Black Frost as Jack Frost when in Japanese, Ja'aku means evil, therefore Black Frost in English...so they probably heard it wrong. Would have helped if the ones translating knew more about the games so they can get it right. Jack Frosts are the smaller good-spirited equivalent (and also Atlus's official Mascot), colored white and blue unlike the purple and black of it's evil giant version.

As for the ending, they are either going for an original one, hybrid of different endings, or something along the lines of the "True Ending" where


Also, Hibiki better get some new demons soon or I'm going to be pissed off that they keep pulling this "shounen manga" stunts where the main character gets an unexplained or stupidly powerful power-up at just the right time (like Daichi's case), but can be excusable because they all use demons, and can summon them from Auctions, or "Download" in the anime, "Fusion" in the games.
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.... and my brain still can't comprehend the fact that HInako, Jungo and airi had died...

5 scores..
Jun 14, 2013 10:38 AM

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@4kicks,

Is that "True Ending" the ending in the game as well?

Interestingly, this "True Ending" would be one that I would come up if I am to write an ending after this episode, as it carries on the main themes that are symbolized by Hibiki and his friends while does not mess up the world setting as it is.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Jun 14, 2013 11:29 AM

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T____T Airi, Jungo, Fumi, and Hinako died. That flashback with Hibiki and Daichi. Black Frost saved the day!!! OMG Alcor vs Yamato!!!
Jun 14, 2013 11:44 AM

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Found it weird Hibiki and Yamato could suddenly start shooting beams out of their hands. I think you could use the protagonists as attackers in the game and they had skills n such but still weird.
Jun 14, 2013 12:12 PM

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I'm not sad because a lot of people died in this episode, I think they will reset the world and everyone will stay alive, although I don't know if its the better ending.

This fight was amazing, can't wait for next episode
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Jun 14, 2013 12:43 PM

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symbv said:
@4kicks,

Is that "True Ending" the ending in the game as well?

Interestingly, this "True Ending" would be one that I would come up if I am to write an ending after this episode, as it carries on the main themes that are symbolized by Hibiki and his friends while does not mess up the world setting as it is.


The ending does exists in the game, and some people call it the true end but the game never acknowledge it as such. Not sure why people call it the true ending.
Jun 14, 2013 1:24 PM
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sorry Hibiki, Diachi is now the protagonist of the show. Hibiki you just didnt do enough in the amount of time you had so you were replaced by Diachi simple as. Sorry.
Jun 14, 2013 2:19 PM

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Brilliant episode!!!

They have finally defeated the last Septentrione and survived the 7 days of judgment but I somehow feel like this isn't the end and I wonder if Alcor is the true last boss. The action and OST were really good and it was so nice for the group to become friends at the beginning. Things went very intense and by assumption, one by one lost their lives and only the main ones remain so I wonder how things will go from here. Alcor sure was merciless in removing anyone who gets in his way and now Hibiki is trying to stop Yamato from his ambitions.

You have to got to love Daichi's new demon Jack Frost and I knew he would be able to summon a powerful one after all that willpower he has been showing recently and I have to say that it was a good combination between Hibiki and Daichi and they also showed their pasts slightly and signified that they had a very tight bond and I guess that was the factor which influenced a powerful summoning as Hinako did explain that the demon summoning is according to the user's ability.

Looking forward to see how this will turn out in the next episode!!

5/5



Jun 14, 2013 3:07 PM

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Certainly one of the better episodes. While the Flashback was a bit cliché, it finally showed some kind kind of character developement (even if only a little). Daichi finally got a reason to be in this show.

Didn't care much about the deaths though.
Jun 14, 2013 3:19 PM

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
They should have just named this Devil Massacre The Animation (alt. version of DS2). There is no point in calling it Survivor if all the characters are gonna die especially the hot babaes.

Are they trying to make this a foursome ending with Hibiki/Daichi/Yamato/Alcor or a reverse harem with Io/Makoto in the middle of the four or a harem with Hibiki and the rest??? Way to ruin a great game...........my frustrations are beyond explaining.


I agree completely, this adaption is just as sh!t as the Disgaea Anime. Whoever were the people that rated that Disgaea Anime to 15 best top likes in another discussion thread can go and screw themselves, and have complete shit taste in anime.

Anyways, way to go Hibiki. Seeing this flashback of yours and saying you want to redo everything all over again, I now know that he will be going for Daichi's ending...

I was hoping they would of picked Anguished One ending and kept at least Airi and Jungo alive.
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KiteTheAzure said:

Don't you think it's kind of.. outrageous to kill Alcor now? I mean, he has always been there for them, they drank coffee together, they had a nice breakfast together and he watches over everyone.. He confronted Yamato about Io and now it seems to me that he is willing to risk his life to stop Yamato from killing Hibiki. I'm sure Hibiki feels the same about him as well..
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Leapling said:
KiteTheAzure said:

Don't you think it's kind of.. outrageous to kill Alcor now? I mean, he has always been there for them, they drank coffee together, they had a nice breakfast together and he watches over everyone.. He confronted Yamato about Io and now it seems to me that he is willing to risk his life to stop Yamato from killing Hibiki. I'm sure Hibiki feels the same about him as well..


Wouldn't be surprised now if they did kill him off in the next episode, but I have a feeling Hibiki will side with Alcor and Yamato and Io in my opinion might die in the next episode.

I doubt Hibiki would allow Alcor to kill Yamato though, and I doubt Hibiki would allow Yamato to kill Alcor. Hibiki would try to convince Yamato to stop what his trying to do, while fighting each other which a typical Shounen usually does. Solve all your problems by fighting them. xD
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Well I understand why people don't like the adaption that much but I personally liked the serie so far, true it's very rushed and lots of people die but on the other hand, only the important ones for the story are still there.

I wish people would shut up about it being rushed, we KNOW after having seen 11 episodes of it but it's not like the animators could slower the pace if they only have 13 episodes to work with, or would everyone rather have them skipping a day? ._.
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I thought it was Black Frost too. Oh well.

HEE HOO!! lol


Hahaha I thought that too but if they wanna call Jack Frost then okay whatever because all that matters when he did HEE HOO I was LMFAO
Jun 14, 2013 9:35 PM

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Wow the characters are really dropping flies now....

The ED is starting to get strangely funny though.
Jun 14, 2013 11:43 PM

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It feels like the characters are garbage.
they disappear just like that...
oh well we wll see where it will go from here
Jun 15, 2013 12:53 AM

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KiteTheAzure said:

I agree completely, this adaption is just as sh!t as the Disgaea Anime.


First of all I don't know what disgaea anime.
Secondly , this is DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 THE ANIMATION . and not THE ADAPTATION.
They even never mention on their official site if this is a game adaptation . This serve as a pure anime version.
Thirdly and lastly , well well well. I REALLY DO NOT THINK THIS 'ANIMATION' IS 'sh!t' , you don't like it , might as well drop it now and stop cursing it . There are still ABUNDANTLY MANY people out there find this anime is good and ENJOYABLE. and I believe THEY ARE NOT IDIOTs.
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Secondly , this is DEVIL SURVIVOR 2 THE ANIMATION . and not THE ADAPTATION.
They even never mention on their official site if this is a game adaptation . This serve as a pure anime version.
That it is not clearly mentioned in the anime site does not negate the fact that the anime is still an adaptation of the game. Those in Japan who are curious about the anime should be able to find out the game by many channels - the anime site is not the only place for them to know more about the anime.

Also, Devil Survivor 2 has a meta site that covers everything from game, to manga and anime: http://ds2-p.atlusnet.jp/ So there is information about the connection for the public.

That said, I agree very much people should not easily dismiss this anime as 'shit'. Those who do so are only those who have difficulty explaining themselves and have to resort to bland curse words to express their dislike (while failing to be articulate why).
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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Lol @ all the characters dropping like flies. Killed off everyone, which I sort of hated. I can picture the ending already.
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