Psycho-Pass Episode 11 Discussion

joanah009 said:
damn good episode.
i'm really curious about makishima
i really cant wait for ep12!

AmberFebruary said:
important note: does that shotgun have unlimited bullets? its been bugging me, i haven't seen the old guy reload to allow the no. of shots done after it

AmberFebruary said:
another note: this series makes use of pseudo-scientific reasoning, well that's the case for me, but still i love it

JReitan said:

Watch again pls.

AmberFebruary said:


go watch yourself then again pls.

at around 6:30 he reloads while running

then he fires one shot at Ko running

and then fires another again when shot by the dominator

now the bullets are spent

he only has one arm. didn't reload. yet he points that gun at his target.

makishima picked it up. assuming he didn't reload it. akane fired two shots. so maybe makishima reloaded it.

anyway, i don't any mechanisms behinds shotguns but i know how to count shots

JReitan said:

6:59 marks a technique used by visual storytellers to cut through unnecessary time that doesn't further the plot.The music, his laughing, and the faded gunshots and explosions also cue this moment. While he is seen walking by the audience for only about 10 seconds, it's implied that he's been walking for a while. Thus, it should also be implied that he's reloaded his shotgun.

You may ask, "Well, why didn't they show him reloading the gun during that series of short clips?" and the answer would be director's choice. He felt it was more necessary to focus the camera on his "insane" smile.

AmberFebruary said:
oh, and about you reply, throughout the classic musical scene(along with the warfare reminiscing effect) they made it sure you can here the background sound effects along with his laugh, yet i can't hear any gun cocking or something

JReitan said:

Once again, director's choice. While it's certainly possible, (that the director simply forgot because of his inexperience or general stupidity), it's not necessarily the case. It's also possible that the director felt that he didn't want any other audio other than the music, his laughter, and his echoing footsteps. Adding the sound of a shotgun being loaded and cocked may or may not distract the audience from these 3 main things.

Basically, it's possible that he thought it would have been too distracting. After all, the main point of that montage of clips was to express hunter-kun's obssession with feeling alive through the beauty of violence. While adding the sound of a shotgun being loaded and cocked might add to that montage, it's certainly possible that it might also be too distracting from beauty of the musical piece mixed with his laughter.

If this seriously bothers you to the point of obsession, edit the video through a video editing program yourself and add the reloading sound yourself. You may find that it is too distracting from the music.

AmberFebruary said:


important note: one basic thing truly for anime viewers nowadays to expand their line of thinking is accept pointed flaws to their favorite, obsessed and loved shows (i love Psycho)
no show is perfect, and the inattention to detail i pointed out is so important (for me) that is certainly could affect how would you interpret a scene

lets say for example,
1. cyborg-kun is such an idiot for still pointing that gun and acting to shoot, there's no bullet in it dumbass
2. akane is going to be trolled. i'm sure of it. Makishima will spam troll face all over. i mean. that gun ain't even loaded. (well i'm even sure the gun is reloaded by Makishima himself or it will be pointless)

the thing is, some reasoning really needs to mature, and this is just one big cover up, a reasoning from own perspective because i've pointed something i don't like to a show OH you surely like

as for me, go spam how flawed my favorite shows, go spam how absurd the things i like are, i'll accept, i'll even agree to you sometimes, atleast it'll open my mind to things myself haven't seen or overlooked from million of times i've rewatched it

P.S.
Kirei and Kiritsugu have their command seals still missing in those respective scenes even when released on Blu-ray

AmberFebruary said:
as for me, go spam how flawed my favorite shows, go spam how absurd the things i like are, i'll accept, i'll even agree to you sometimes, atleast it'll open my mind to things myself haven't seen or overlooked from million of times I've rewatched it

MaxCrazy7 said:
How is it possible for him to have such a low crime coefficient?!

Laevantein said:
Someone please explain, does the Sibyl System only has one parameter that is the height level of Crime Coefficient to decide he/she is the villain?

Yumekichi11 said:
Actually it's not a shotgun cause it has no pump. It's a double barrel rifle. Unlike a shotgun you need to recharge and cannot pump to do so and insert the same way the shells as quick as a shotgun. So it's actually not the best at all but what's good about it is that a dual shot could be possible.

So, if those 2 shots would reach the bad guy then yes it would guarantee better a kill than a shotgun's shot cause the more frags from a shot the higher the chances one of them will kill him in the weak points of the body.

That being said, a handgun would be better off IMO.

AzureAlert said:


From what I can tell, Makishima doesn't see anything wrong with what he's doing. He wasn't showing any signs of aggression, or mental instability. Sibyl's analysis probably saw Makishima killing Yuki, like a normal person killing a bug.

JReitan said:

Your thoughts are everywhere, so it's difficult to respond to you now.

I'll say it again, the montage of clips in hunter-kun's walking scene indicates a passage of time. So, if you couldn't catch the implication that he's reloaded by now, even when I've mentioned it, then I think that's just your fault.

JReitan said:


Who the hell do you think I am?

Yumekichi11 said:

This really hits the pits cause Shougo does not register at all with the system. If anything he is DNA/Brain altered. This is impossible that the system does not react to him. At worst he has Admin privileges of the Sybil system and where he may be registered as part of the creating team.

AmberFebruary said:
oh? my thoughts are everywhere now for you eh?
that's because all i've said up to now leads to the fact that you can't accept the notion of the things i've pointed. no matter how much you sugar coat you own thoughts, it can't deny you being naive or conceited as to accept that the things i've pointed out in this spectacular episode are logical, sensible and reasonable

AmberFebruary said:

i am pertaining to the whole MAL community who would read my post, (the you i used there doesn't mean it just refer to you, it pertains to the ones who'll read it) or are you really that great enough to think you can represent them all

JReitan said:

Your thoughts are everywhere mainly because you bring all of MAL into the conversation when the conversation is simply between you and me. You don't have to do such a thing.

Also, this is your thought process:

A) I believe that the montage of short clips + music indicates a long passage of time.
B) I must be sugarcoating the director's mistakes.
C) I must be wrong, and hunter-kun never reloaded.

Your logic is flawed. In B, you're already implying that I'm wrong, which leads you to conclude C, that I'm wrong. This makes no sense.

Prove to me that A is wrong, (that the montage of short clips + music does not indicate a long passage of time), and then you can conclude that I might be sugarcoating the director's mistakes from there.

AmberFebuary said:
how can you prove that he may really have loaded the gun at that time?

AmberFebruary said:
now, here is the good part, he immediately make his way to run after Ko and point his gun
where what i think he should immediately have done is reload the gun

JReitan said:
It was clear that he pointed an unloaded shotgun at Kougami after he shot him straight in the chest. Whether or not that can be called a mistake if debatable. Nevertheless, I understand that the shotgun was not loaded at that point.


However, the main question of discussion is whether or not he loaded the shotgun afterwards. While I cannot prove that he did, I can prove that it is implied. The montage of clips that fade into one another, the music, his footsteps, and the sounds of warfare all imply not only that much time is passing by, but also that he's ready to shoot Kougami as soon as he sees him. Both of these implied things lead us to make the further implication that he's reloaded the shotgun, or else it would be ridiculous that he is so ready to shoot Kougami.

JReitan said:

Going back to when he tried to point an unloaded shotgun at Kougami, it's honestly not that big a deal. Hunter-kun isn't blind, he knows he shot Kougami. And what does a hunter do after he shoots his prey? He checks to see its condition; dead, injured, or fatally wounded. (I think its also clear that hunter-kun knew that Kougami was at least fatally wounded, since a lot of blood spewed out of his chest.) However, Kougami isn't say, a deer. He's a wolf with sharp fangs. Hell, he's bitten off hunter-kun's entire arm off at this point. If you were in hunter-kun's position, would you not raise your weapon out of instinct if you went over to the wolf's body to check its condition, even though you knew it was fatally wounded? He was a little scared, so what? It shouldn't bother the viewing experience unless you have a problem with people being scared and acting realistically.

Stupid? Yes. Unrealistic? No. Director's mistake? Even if it was, it worked.

jimbob1141 said:
Arguing about whether he reloaded the gun or not, id say its a bit overboard xD

I didn't even notice that, but i would say he didn't load it and was maybe just holding it up as a bluff? or maybe he was gonna hit him with the gun :P

But it could just as easily, no, more easily be that it was a directors mistake.

Either way i don't give a fuck, it doesn't affect anything at all in the show >.< and with everything that happened it is majorly insignificant and doesnt effect the plot nor my enjoyment of the show.

Directors of good shows can make mistakes xD maybe the director forgot to show him reloading, maybe he was never meant to have reloaded at all. meh >.<

AmberFebruary said:
the thing with your reasoning is your working backwards. your interpreting a scene to complement your target goal. that is that he may have reloaded the gun. giving yourself self-gratification
now interpreting it as it happens, as them not showing him reload the gun, you have a senile cyborg-kun trying to kill w/ shot-less shotgun

AmberFebruary said:
it worked for others but its bugging for me. unrealistic? oh sure it was, no hunter in the world would go for a kill w/ a bulletless gun.

AmberFebruary said:
besides if he immediately have not seen kougami wasn't there(didn't he even consider he himself would drop dead if kougami was there pointing the Dominator at him and he has a shot less gun), he could immediately retrace his steps to a safe corner and reload the gun, but no, he continued because his gun was loaded (w/c shouldn't be)
you have an excuse with the issue above, implications or so on
but this one? no.
Like I said before, hunter-kun knows he blew off a part of Kougami's chest. Kougami is not in a state to fight back against hunter-kun, even if hunter-kun's shotgun is not loaded quite honestly. And remember, those dominators always take a long time to charge up and shoot.

Fabe said:
I pity Tsunemori for having to helplessly watch her friend's death. It was obvious she will miss with both bullets. After that I was sitting here shouting "Throw that fucking Dominator on him, brake his head with that shit!"

Onyxthegreat said:
Welp, Akane blew it, litterally. That Makishima, man. How the hell could that guy's crime coefficient lower after he just cut a girl?!

AmberFebruary said:
ok JReitan is pointless to talk with. superficial reasoning for every single thing. no, over analyzing every single thing to the point of absurdity. like adding his own perception to a series that doesn't even convey as such.

jimbob1141 i salute you, someone who likes the show yet able to accept it. its so simple yet others are just self-gratifying themselves

i guess i'll go back and just do comment-comment talks with my intellectual MAL friends. atleast they're sensible to talk with.

i may look defeated but no. its just that i'm wasting my time saving a life beyond salvation.

adios. enjoy the days living in lies that world still haven't ended. the government just covered it up.