| I think you guys are misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. Perhaps I should have said this sooner... I am by no means calling anybody who is interested in this a pedophile. After all, this doesn't look sexual in the slightest. I'm just saying that it's weird that the target audience for a show (or manga) about cute girls doing cutesy girly things is adult men. Just the same way that I would find it weird if Death Note or Baccano! started airing on Nick Jr. at 9am on Saturday mornings for first grade children to watch. Perhaps "creepy" was the wrong word to use. |
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Red_Keys said: My answer is So What? What is the problem?Seinen" demographic means adult males. I'm well aware that it doesn't have to stay constricted to "adult" themes. But nonetheless, the magazine is targeted at adult men. Red_Keys said: Wrong. In Japan, it is classified as shounen/seinen now. As I said, the line between shounen/seinen is blurred and now there are no lack of magazines that use both lablel. You are too tied up with the definition of seinen. Even pure seinen magazines can have manga that can be read by early teens - for example "Cooking Papa" in seinen magazine "Morning". There are ons of examples like this. Jump Square is shounen, which is targeted at boys aged 10-18. So no, I wouldn't be concerned. Red_Keys said: Well, there are anime adapted for Tegami-Bachi. Cute little boys going on missions on their own fighting monster, and it is in the same magazine as ToLoveRu Darkness. If, however, Tegami-bachi (which I have not read) is a slice of life manga focusing on the daily lives of cute little boys, and it were published in a magazine targeted at adult men, yes, that would weird me out a little. Red_Keys said: Well, holding a certain interest in real life does not mean he will do exactly the same thing in real life. If I love watching SAW, does it mean I must be a psycho who loves to torture people? People only enjoy fictitious things that they have actual, real life, interests in. That's common fucking sense. Red_Keys said: But it is also a distillation of real life situations - a slice-of-life comedy concentrates the fun and happiness from every day situation. Of course it is fun partly because it is relateable to actual human beings, but it is far-fetching to conclude that thus it means I want to take an obsessive interest in seeing those things acted out by real-life people."Slice of Life" genre revolves around realistic every day situations, focusing on character interactions. If it weren't supposed to be related to actual human beings, it instantly loses it's affect and label as slice of life. |
symbvFeb 21, 2013 8:06 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Red_Keys said: If you see something with more mature content airing in a kids show time slot, of course you have valid reason to be concerned. But I do not see why it should be so much a concern the other way round -- innocuous content aired in a time slot for adults. Just the same way that I would find it weird if Death Note or Baccano! started airing on Nick Jr. at 9am on Saturday mornings for first grade children to watch. To draw another example, most of the anime aired these days are in midnight, which in Japan means early teens or kids are not supposed to see and thus they are not the target audience, but yet we have shows that kids can enjoy, like Ika Musume, aired in those time slots. Should we be thus worried that a show with cute little girl (ika musume) going around slice-of-life style is aired in a time slot that is aimed at adult men? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Worried? Not really. Do I find it strange? Yes. An adult watching and enjoying Dora the Explorer is a little bit weird to me. It's not a big deal though, because hey, to each their own. Whatever. But if I found out Dora the Explorer was supposed to be aimed at adults, the weirdness of that would be multiplied exponentially. And jmal, I've been saying the same thing actually. I still equate a desire of "watching a show about cute girls" to a desire to "watch cute girls". After all, if it weren't about cute girls, would you still have as much of an interest? If it were a show about the daily lives of 60 year old black women living in the suburbs of Chicago, would you even give it a second look? It's not the "Slice of life" you're interested in, it's the "cute little girls" part. Maybe. Which is fine by me, but I just found it strange that it was targeted at adult males in the first place. |
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Red_Keys said: Just the same way that I would find it weird if Death Note or Baccano! started airing on Nick Jr. at 9am on Saturday mornings for first grade children to watch. Sorry, I'm not trying to pile on you here but that example is a false equivalency. There is a difference between children and adult. We don't want children to watch these shows because their minds are vulnerable to strong violence and sexual exposures and easily replicate what were shown without understanding or self-control. That Psychology 101, or better yet, common sense. Once you pass the magic '18+' you can watch whatever you want. I understand that it's an arbitrary number anyways since many people are not mature enough even after 18, or 21, but that's what society has accepted and we have to live with. I admit that I was a little unsure on the appeal of this show to the Seinen market. However, come to think of it, why would mature women enjoy cute cat pictures? People, adult included, like seeing cute things, whether it's animal or children, so there will definitely a market for this anime. |
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| ^ Yea yea yea I know. I was just using an example of how bizarre it is to show something specifically to an audience that would typically be outside of the target audience. |
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Red_Keys said: ^ Yea yea yea I know. I was just using an example of how bizarre it is to show something specifically to an audience that would typically be outside of the target audience. Lol, how can you be so sure? I think it's stereotypical to assume adult men only like sex and violence. What happens to all those family-oriented guys who just like to enjoy a sunny, warm-hearted story? As I said before, just like adult women and their cat pictures, adult men like cute things too. |
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Red_Keys said: There is a lot of strangeness for an anime fan. You may look strange already to those who think you are too old to watch cartoons at your age for example. As I said Ika-musume is aired at a time slot supposed to be aimed at adults. Odd? Perhaps, but I also do not think it should be made a big deal. Making a fuss about it like you did in this thread earlier seems to show that you are lacking an open mind to accept how people may perceive things differently as you do, particularly if you may already find yourself considered "strange" by other people who think you are too old to watch cartoon. Worried? Not really. Do I find it strange? Yes. Red_Keys said: But you did not answer our question why this view of yours applies only to cute girls but not when people enjoy seeing serial killing, torture porn or horror genre. I still equate a desire of "watching a show about cute girls" to a desire to "watch cute girls". After all, if it weren't about cute girls, would you still have as much of an interest? Red_Keys said: Well, how about putting 60 year old black women living in Chicago in some of your favorite movies or anime? Do you feel the same about its appeal? Don't tell me you watch anime and movie purely for the story and how the characters look do not count. If it were a show about the daily lives of 60 year old black women living in the suburbs of Chicago, would you even give it a second look? Red_Keys said: Just like I watch a sitcom as much for how good looking some of the actor/actress are as how funny the situation is, it is ok if I love both the slice-of-life humor as well as the cute characters. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact I would say they can complement each other very well. It's not the "Slice of life" you're interested in, it's the "cute little girls" part. |
symbvFeb 21, 2013 8:45 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Lol derailed to hell indeed. So basically this has turned into "Don't dislike things I like." Like I said, multiple times, the fact that adult males can enjoy this is not what I find to be so absurd, it's the fact that it was aimed at adult men in the first place. symbv said: AKA "Stop disliking things I like."There is a lot of strangeness for an anime fan. You may look strange already to those who think you are too old to watch cartoons at your age for example. As I said Ika-musume is aired at a time slot supposed to be aimed at adults. Odd? Perhaps, but I also do not think it should be made a big deal. Making a fuss about it like you did in this thread earlier seems to show that you are lacking an open mind to accept how people may perceive things differently as you do, particularly if you may already find yourself considered "strange" by other people who think you are too old to watch cartoon. symbv said: Like you and jmal said, the characters go hand in hand with the plot. I find killing for the sake of killing detestable. Violence does not appeal to me because I like violence, it's the characters' situations and how they deal with them that gets me interested. That's why I don't find it weird that shows like "Gunslinger Girl" is seinen. But a slice of life seinen show about cute girls is what I find weird.But you did not answer our question why this view of yours applies only to cute girls but not when people enjoy seeing serial killing, torture porn or horror genre. symbv said: It seems you missed the point. It was an example to illustrate that the characters' appearances are important, and act as a vital drawing point for being interested in a show.Well, how about putting 60 year old black women living in Chicago in some of your favorite movies or anime? Do you feel the same about its appeal? Don't tell me you watch anime and movie purely for the story and how the characters look do not count. jmal said: Actually, if it were a slice of life show about a creepy cereal killer just going about his day, with the occasional murder, I wouldn't enjoy it at all. The violence isn't enjoyed because it's violent, it's enjoyed because of the tension it creates and how the characters themselves react to it.If fiction had to always match 1:1 with reality, let's go back to graphic violence: assuming everyone that likes watching fictional characters get violently killed also likes seeing or doing the same in real life would be a truly absurd generalization, one I doubt you'd make. The only difference is that you don't personally think liking fictional violence and murder is weird. |
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Red_Keys said: OR "Dislike only if you have a valid reason". So far I do not find your argument to be convincing. You are applying a restricted and self-centered view to something you do not find appealing but at the same time you indulge in things you personally like but others find odd/strange. It is better you sort out why you are ok with one thing but find it so questionable for another. To me you just choose to pick on this manga/anime because it does not follow a standard you set as proper and that you think must also be universally true for others. AKA "Stop disliking things I like." Red_Keys said: But you cannot say that it is always for that reason they watch violent stuff, right? I am sure there are plenty of people who love the violence for what it is. Again it seems you are thinking just because you watch violent stuff not due to any enjoyment of violence other people must then love violence stuff for the same reason that you do. The question is: Do those people who enjoy violence because they enjoy seeing it necessarily sick or creepy people who harbor malicious intent to other people in real-life? Violence does not appeal to me because I like violence, it's the characters' situations and how they deal with them that gets me interested. That's why I don't find it weird that shows like "Gunslinger Girl" is seinen. But a slice of life seinen show about cute girls is what I find weird. Besides why should not people enjoy watching the characters' situation in slice-of-life too? As I said I care about the character's appearance in a sitcom as well as their situation. Wanting the characters to look great does not mean I do not care about the humorous situation they find themselves in. Red_Keys said: I did not miss the point. Precisely because I got your point that I gave you my answer. If you enjoy your favorite anime/movie partly because of the characters' appearances too then what you said does not apply only to slice-of-life genre, but actually very generally to many other cases.It seems you missed the point. It was an example to illustrate that the characters' appearances are important, and act as a vital drawing point for being interested in a show. |
symbvFeb 21, 2013 9:44 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
kenshin_sama said: I loled. But Kei-chan may as well cry for what Gantz has become xD |
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lobe said: Why cant I have another Cowboy Bebop/Ghost in the shell/Akira ANYTHING JAPAN ANYTHING! I WILL DO ANYTHING! Will you import anime you like for 400-700 dollars a pop to put your money where you mouth is? |
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lobe said: Getting harder and harder for me to find anime that I actually want to watch.. I am lucky if I get one anime each season that interests me at all.. Currently only watching Psycho Pass and Magi Everything else currently airing is garbage and I have been watching anime for like almost 2 decades now so its not like I can go back into the past and dig up some oldies cause I have already seen em all.. Japan why must you crush my soul!!!!!!!! Why cant I have another Cowboy Bebop/Ghost in the shell/Akira ANYTHING JAPAN ANYTHING! I WILL DO ANYTHING! Good shows are pushed out every seasons so I don't see a reason to get this depress. There are over 6000 titles on MAL so maybe you've not looked hard enough :) |
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lobe said: And there is also a TONNN of shonan(not all shonan is bad but most of it is) so remove 2000 from that number. So I am left with about 1000 shows. Now to pick and choose the ones that actually interest me and you get it down to about 400 shows. I have seen every single one of these over the past almost 20 years. So you are good with Seinen, especially Josei and Shoujo? XD Well, if you have seen about 400 titles then there might not be anything that would be original or interesting anymore. Masterpiece with our standard is probably released once or twice a year :) I think it's time to find other medium of entertainment and check back anime occasionally |
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lobe said: My other medium used to be video games but it seems that medium has taken a side for the worst in the past 6-7 years as well.. Maybe its time to start playing a sport or something... Agree, it's not too late to become a sport fan :) |
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| God yes, those character designs. Especially the purple haired one with the teardrop shaped mouth on the main image on the manga page. Better be 20 minute episodes. |
jmal said: lobe said: There is no way in hell I would pay 700$ an episode... Er, it's more like $25-30 an episode to import. Expensive, but nothing remotely near $700 or even $200. I could swear I've seen 25 minute OVA episodes go for 12,000 Yen (1 episode) sometimes. Though it's still considerable lower than 200-700$ per episode. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Red_Keys said: That's why I don't find it weird that shows like "Gunslinger Girl" is seinen. But a slice of life seinen show about cute girls is what I find weird. . GSG is a shonen. Its just another great example of how those demographics don't mean anything at all. lobe said: Getting harder and harder for me to find anime that I actually want to watch.. I am lucky if I get one anime each season that interests me at all.. Currently only watching Psycho Pass and Magi Everything else currently airing is garbage and I have been watching anime for like almost 2 decades now so its not like I can go back into the past and dig up some oldies cause I have already seen em all.. Japan why must you crush my soul!!!!!!!! Why cant I have another Cowboy Bebop/Ghost in the shell/Akira ANYTHING JAPAN ANYTHING! I WILL DO ANYTHING! Why are you posting that here? But if you don't like it, import the few anime you do like. Whining about it not going to have any affect at all. |
rederoinFeb 22, 2013 7:59 AM
| Sounds like cute :) |
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jmal said: lobe said: There are some eroge titles in there so remove like 1000 from that number. Oh man, 1000, that sounds really dire! The problem is that it's wildly inaccurate. I actually track the sales data for everything that gets released these days, and while the more detailed statistics in my list go back to about 2005, I can confirm that there are only 89 TV anime based on visual novels from 2005-2012 inclusive. That's 8 years. About 18 are sequels so the number of unique franchises is even lower. I think he meant Hentais, not the literal meaning of Eroge. |
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| A seinen SOL surrounding elementary-middle school students? While it does sound creepy as fuck, I'm not one to judge something I've never seen. I will probably give this one a try, because who knows. I might end up loving it just like I did with GJ-bu. |
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yhunata said: A seinen SOL surrounding elementary-middle school students? While it does sound creepy as fuck, I'm not one to judge something I've never seen. I will probably give this one a try, because who knows. I might end up loving it just like I did with GJ-bu. Ro Kyu Bu and Kodomo no Jikan are seinen, too. Loli stuff tends to skew towards seinen since teens are more interested in big boobs. |
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RyanSaotome said: yhunata said: A seinen SOL surrounding elementary-middle school students? While it does sound creepy as fuck, I'm not one to judge something I've never seen. I will probably give this one a try, because who knows. I might end up loving it just like I did with GJ-bu. Ro Kyu Bu and Kodomo no Jikan are seinen, too. Loli stuff tends to skew towards seinen since teens are more interested in big boobs. Strange. I've never watched Ro Kyu Bu or Kodomo no Jikan (not in my PTW either), so I don't really know why you directed that to me. But yeah, I agree. Teens tend to lean more towards big tits than smaller ones. |
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yhunata said: Strange. I've never watched Ro Kyu Bu or Kodomo no Jikan (not in my PTW either), so I don't really know why you directed that to me. But yeah, I agree. Teens tend to lean more towards big tits than smaller ones. I just bought up two popular elementary school girl shows since people seem to think that its rare for those types of shows to be seinen. |
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RyanSaotome said: yhunata said: Strange. I've never watched Ro Kyu Bu or Kodomo no Jikan (not in my PTW either), so I don't really know why you directed that to me. But yeah, I agree. Teens tend to lean more towards big tits than smaller ones. I just bought up two popular elementary school girl shows since people seem to think that its rare for those types of shows to be seinen. I was just wondering why you quoted me. |
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jmal said: I think an interrogative like "A seinen SOL surrounding elementary-middle school students?" is often interpreted as implying surprise or confusion. Fair enough. |
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| Don't mind me, just clearing some stuff up for ya. lobe said: I meant hentai excuse me for not knowing all the terminology. All I know is hentai is porn. Shonan is geared towards young children mostly boys things like "Fairy Tail" Seinen generally is the stuff i like stuff like "ghost in the shell" "Monster" ect.. Moeshit is the stuff with the adorable little girls who get in adorable and sometimes funny situations. And as far as I knew eroge was just another term for hentai. I never bothered to learn it was actually a term used to describe hentai shows or games based off of novels or whatever. Shonen is the term used to describe teenage boys, thus the demographic. Seinen means adult males, thus the demographic. Moe, well, here's a definition I found on ANN : ANN said: Moe is a Japanese term used in connection with manga or anime to describe something precious, usually (but not always) the ideal of youthful and innocent femininity. Written with the kanji for "to bud or sprout" (萌), the concept covers a range of ideal behaviour for youthful female characters in manga or anime. It's more commonly referred to as "cute" in MAL and in general as well. Eroge is an adult visual novel consisting of sex and such. Hentai a pornographic "material" in an (Japanese) animation form. |
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lobe said: However shonens have always been a mystery to me. Some shows that are labeled as shonens have some content that is pretty questionable. That may be due to the fact that it was published in a shonen magazine. Say Death Note, for example. It's more a seinen than a shonen, but it's labeled as the latter due to having been published in Shonen Jump. This manga (Non Non Biyori) is also a similar case, I believe. |
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| might check this out! xD |
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| PV is out. I love the beautiful background art showing the countryside, which is one major appeal of the manga. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I'm watching this in the hope that Renge-chon will get more screentime than in the manga. Best girl right there. |
| Some new information about staff and cast: Director: Kawatsura Shinya (Kokoro Connect) Cast: Referring to the characters on the left page in the pic below, from top to bottom: Murakawa Rie (Vivired - Aoi) Koiwai Kotori (Crime Edge - Iwai, Joshiraku - Kurumi) Sakura Ayane (Vivired - Akane, Joshiraku - Marii, NakaImo - Miyabi) Asumi Kana (Nyaruko-san - Nyaruko, Hidamari - Yuno) |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| is it confirmed to air in october? |
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| More staff information announced: Series Composition: Yoshida Reiko (K-On!, Tamako Market, Kimi no Iru Machi) Character Design / Chief Animation Director: Ootsuka Mai (Shakugan no Shana, OreShura) Studio: SILVER LINK. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: More staff information announced: Series Composition: Yoshida Reiko (K-On!, Tamako Market, Kimi no Iru Machi) Character Design / Chief Animation Director: Ootsuka Mai (Shakugan no Shana, OreShura) Studio: SILVER LINK. Seems that this anime is in good hands and may turn out decent. |
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x15 said: Perhaps you'd better give an example of how there are 5-8 anime of "cut girls doing cut things" (or you mean 'cute' not 'cut' ?). In the recent spring season I could only count Yuyushiki and Aiura. There are some anime with sexy girls doing sexy things, which I don't think is the same thing. And then there are anime which has solid story with action and drama and "cute girls doing cute things" are just added elements. I don't see how there are 5-8 anime that has "cut girls doing cut things". Have we just had these kind of anime cut girls doing cut things. I am not Against it but it seems to mush. One season for example you can have 5 to 8 anime like this. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: More staff information announced: Series Composition: Yoshida Reiko (K-On!, Tamako Market, Kimi no Iru Machi) Character Design / Chief Animation Director: Ootsuka Mai (Shakugan no Shana, OreShura) Studio: SILVER LINK. Yuhuuuuu... what a good news.. it's Silver Link.. it's gonna be Great.. XD |
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