Niyawa said: I don't necessarily want to argue about the use of madFlac, unless of course, you give me a solid reason to do so. What are it's vantages and disadvantages? Would it really be worth putting one more thing to download and deal with? Far as I know, the only thing it does better than LAV decoder is metadata handling (that's also something that was mentioned in Bishoujo guide and I confirmed after a search) and I don't see how that could be enough reason to recommend using it instead of LAV's one. I admit the word "useless" is bit too far, but I don't see it as a "requirement" neither "necessity" when something else already included does a perfect job with it. Well, the MadFLAC folder is literally less than 1mb in filesize and it takes 2 clicks to install it and not much extra work to get it working (stop flac from being decoded by LAV audio decoder, add it to the external filters list). Pretty much it. Although you may see it as not worth the effort for something as small as metadata support but I like to have the absolute best that I can get and so does Bishoujo (it's kind of their motto, lol). Maybe add it in as optional? (speaking of optional, why is Haali optional? The majority of anime nowadays is MKV. IIRC Lav Splitter doesn't support ordered chapters for MKV). Niyawa said: No worries, I've been doing that all the time, the most recent update was thanks to katsu suggestion to Jritt in a ReClock's option that can speed up loading/seeking of video. I'll redo a reading on Bishoujo's guide for your sake and the guide's one as well. I can't refuse after that thanks, haha. I don't currently use ReClock in my setup, I think I might do some experimenting with it. Reason hasn't updated the main article since October but he still comments fairly regularly in the comment section. Thanks for your hard work ^^ EDIT: Having never used ReClock before, does it normally mute audio for a split second after unpausing? It's not much of a deal but it's going to get really annoying really fast. |
loghneckbeardDec 16, 2012 10:37 AM
Tyestor said: Well, the MadFLAC folder is literally less than 1mb in filesize and it takes 2 clicks to install it and not much extra work to get it working (stop flac from being decoded by LAV audio decoder, add it to the external filters list). Pretty much it. Although you may see it as not worth the effort for something as small as metadata support but I like to have the absolute best that I can get and so does Bishoujo (it's kind of their motto, lol). Maybe add it in as optional? (speaking of optional, why is Haali optional? The majority of anime nowadays is MKV. IIRC Lav Splitter doesn't support ordered chapters for MKV). The Haali thing is a little mixed up. I actually put it as required through the whole guide, you can see that in the screenshot where you have to deselect Mastroska from LAV Splitter. The fact that I still put it up as "Optional" in the Download section is because the O.C compatibility and accurate seeking is not a "must have" (only a few fansubs use O.C and accurate seeking is not something that bothers anyone). I'll be putting as required again soon my version 4.x.x comes. Haha, I can totally understand the "I like to have the absolute best that I can get". Hell, okay, I'll put it as Optional. But I'll do a retest first as well, to see if it's anything I should add/comment about it. Tyestor said: I don't currently use ReClock in my setup, I think I might do some experimenting with it. Reason hasn't updated the main article since October but he still comments fairly regularly in the comment section. Thanks for your hard work ^^ ReClock is basically useful to remove some of the jitter in 60hz screens with 23.976 content. Again, not a "must have" (the reason it's not as required) but very recommended. Thanks for your input too, It's always helpful to have new views in regarding the topic. Tyestor said: EDIT: Having never used ReClock before, does it normally mute audio for a split second after unpausing? It's not much of a deal but it's going to get really annoying really fast. Yes. It's normal. Check the faq section under "Audio". The first question has the solution for you (probably). |
NiyawaDec 16, 2012 11:10 AM
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TheCorinthian said: GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB or maybe another graphics with SLI? SLI? I don't believe you need that for 1080p Blu-rays. Just the 650 Ti you're about to buy is already enough to play Ultra HD of lastest games with 36 fps. It will be like candy for what you need. For the games that you usually play will be more than enough too. TheCorinthian said: Was looking at an Asus without any onboard video graphics, can't seem to find one without it on New Egg for less than $200 This is another personal recommendation of mine, but an Asus P8H77-M PRO would be my pick, it's around $120. If you're willing to pay $200 for it though, then a P8Z77-V PRO would be the closest by price. I'm impressed you can buy all of this though. Where I live would be a long dream. |
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TheCorinthian said: Sorry for hijacking the thread so much but can you take a look at this motherboard? It seems like it is similar to the one you linked me to without going over $200. It's basically a more simple version of the PRO. It's safe. |
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iShiney said: Works great! Just wondering, what should I set the madVR scaling algorithms to, with 4 GB of RAM, integrated Intel graphics, and dual core 2.50 GHz? Do they make any difference? There's no overwhelmingly strong consensus about what algorithm is the best, so when you have graphics as mediocre as an Intel IGP you should just throw the most intensive video possible at it and see if it drops any frames (Ctrl+J while watching a video will show you how many frames you've dropped). Just play around and find out what your setup is capable of without dropping any frames. Also, you should turn off desktop composition in madVR. It does makes a [small] difference. |
Hakuromatsu said: iShiney said: Works great! Just wondering, what should I set the madVR scaling algorithms to, with 4 GB of RAM, integrated Intel graphics, and dual core 2.50 GHz? Do they make any difference? There's no overwhelmingly strong consensus about what algorithm is the best, so when you have graphics as mediocre as an Intel IGP you should just throw the most intensive video possible at it and see if it drops any frames (Ctrl+J while watching a video will show you how many frames you've dropped). Just play around and find out what your setup is capable of without dropping any frames. Also, you should turn off desktop composition in madVR. It does makes a [small] difference. Adding a little to what he said, since your setup is almost the same as mine, I'll give you my personal recommendation. Usually it will depend on your tastes but Lanczos with 3 taps and AR (anti-ringing) disabled for upscaling will make it look sharper and without lag (for most videos). If it does, set it to Bilinear and it will play flawlessly. For downscaling, Spline with 3 taps will make the best result with no lag and no exceptions (tested it here while using only 1.19 GHz of mine). For chroma upsampling, Bilinear is the choice. I've done some tests and there's basically some to no difference between using anything else aside that Bilinear is much more performance wise. Assuming you're using the latest madVR version, then it's already there by default too. About the desktop composition thing, I don't recommend it. It makes Windows (7) more ugly and the amount of performance gained is not worth it. Unless you really want those 3-4% more of power. |
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Version 4.0.0 Released This version contains the most change since the 2.0.0, I was basically working on it the whole week searching for new apps and new things to improve/add. I finally wrapped it up with some other suggestions and other (useful) parts of other popular guides. Now on to what matters. Highlights
I still believe Bishoujo's project guide sucks to some extent. It could be the perfect one if it had more flexibility and was a little more organized. But Tyestor suggested that I gave it a quick read and I could find something that would be helpful, and indeed I did. Thus their guide is now linked here. The same applies to AVS Forum's guide, it's good, and I did some reading to look for more useful things to add. I'll be taking a look at other guides as well, so if anyone knows any MPC-HC guide out there, link it here with a post so I can evaluate it. It would help not only to solidify this guide information, but improve it as well. My thanks in advance. Now... Enough about that. I believe I'll make it clear that I won't update the guide for 1 week at least. I need to catch up with my list (this is MAL after all). You can also expect some big improvements for version 5.x.x. That includes an image-based guide (for those who want portability) and more in-depth configuration of madVR and LAV Filters. |
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Jrittmayer said: With this update, do I need to change anything I had set up as per your previous version? Not exactly. Some updates may be usually just to apply some changes like updated apps and some new information. But It's recommended. Just keep on reading until you find something that can be improved/changed. I'm thinking about introducing a changelog in version 5.x. It may be helpful in those situations. Jrittmayer said: Also, if so, will you put in how to upgrade/ change settings without having to reinstall everything all over again? :D Just update every filter separately like always. If there's a new madVR version, just extract the new folder onto the old one. If there's a new LAV version, just download the installer and update. There's no secret. |
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maguss said: "Using Reclock with madvr as the renderer isn’t optimal. According to the developer of madvr the software isn’t doing too good with 24p@60Hz yet, which is exactly what Reclock sets the video playback as. To tell you the truth, I was already on the case since 1 month ago. One user of this guide said to me through a private message that he didn't notice any difference between madVR standard and madVR + ReClock and in some cases the playback was even worse. I did some search but didn't find anything absolute and I thought it was just a placebo effect, but with this post it makes clear. Thanks for taking your time searching on the matter, I'll update the guide as soon as I can. |
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| Just had a quick look through your guide, and I see an old piece of information from Nads's guide that wasn't disposed of. 9. Under "rendering" > "general settings" disable the "fullscreen exclusive mode". I recommend leaving this off unless you are having playback problems, because it prevents you from taking screenshots and makes the transition to fullscreen very ugly (It also messes up MPC-HC's interface). There are no issues with taking screenshots with the latest madVR, even in FSE, providing you use the correct shortcuts. Alt+I for the first screenshot (Yes this will cause an ugly change out of FSE because of the save to window) But after the first time, the last folder you saved an image to will be remembered, and you can use F5 to save screenshots with no ugly change out of FSE or any issues. |
RydakoDec 20, 2012 12:40 AM
| Maybe this question has been asked already.. Anyways, I don't understand most of this stuff.. I'll start out with telling you that up until a few days ago, I was using TCMP. I have been having issues with it lately, so I started using VLC instead. It sounds like by following your guide, that the video will look better. I am all for getting a better picture, however I have my graphics card running to my TV. If I follow this guide, will it still help that picture? Or will me viewing anime on my TV mess up the guide? What are the benefits of following your guide, as opposed to using VLC? I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing, sorry for the trouble. I followed the guide, got rid of all the stuff that I previously had.. The only problem I have is lag when starting a video and with seeking also. But maybe that on my end.. I dunno. I have a 3.5ghz , i7.. I followed the guide word for word though. If you have the time, if you could still answer my previous questions that would be awesome. As I am curious as to why its better. Also I saw your reasoning for why using this is better then CCCP, dont know if it is the same for VLC. |
LSanimeDec 19, 2012 11:04 PM
Rydako said: There are no issues with taking screenshots with the latest madVR, even in FSE, providing you use the correct shortcuts. Alt+I for the first screenshot (Yes this will cause an ugly change out of FSE because of the save to window) But after the first time, the last folder you saved an image to will be remembered, and you can use F5 to save screenshots with no ugly change out of FSE or any issues. Thanks for telling me, I'll update as soon as possible. LordSenate said: It sounds like by following your guide, that the video will look better. I am all for getting a better picture, however I have my graphics card running to my TV. If I follow this guide, will it still help that picture? Or will me viewing anime on my TV mess up the guide? This is a little complicated, I've never tested this guide in this way... this is my assumption but I believe it will make it look better too, madVR have a lot of different scaling options, you can set it up by making it sharper or more dull for example. I really can't tell you for sure, I'll make a quick search and edit later. LordSenate said: What are the benefits of following your guide, as opposed to using VLC? First of all, this is something that 99% of people with a good reasoning and fairly knowledge in this section already knows: VLC sucks. It doesn't matter who you ask, it will always be the same answer, and they have a reason to say so. 1. It downscales. (this is already reason enough) 2. It has poor performance. (if you have a reasonable powerful PC you won't see that, but I do) 3. It has horrible seeking. 4. It's internal filters are inferior compared to even sharewares. 5. It has a even worse subtitle renderer. I haven't been using VLC in 2 years, so whether they fixed or made those issues even worse, I don't know. But from what I've heard, nothing changed. LordSenate said: I followed the guide, got rid of all the stuff that I previously had.. The only problem I have is lag when starting a video and with seeking also. But maybe that on my end.. I dunno. I have a 3.5ghz , i7.. I followed the guide word for word though. Strange. Could you give me a screenshot of your filters list? I want to see if everything's being used without issues. LordSenate said: If you have the time, if you could still answer my previous questions that would be awesome. As I am curious as to why its better. I'll answer anything I can. LordSenate said: I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing, sorry for the trouble. No problem. If you ever have anything to tell me don't hold back. Maybe the question you have is the same as someone else, so go ahead and ask. |
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iShiney said: Anyone know the solution to this recent issue: Japanese subtitles would become boxes This is old as fuck. The only reason for this to happen is when the font that needs to be loaded couldn't, or if you're using Windows XP which doesn't seem to be the case. Haali is a little outdated, so if this video you're trying to watch uses the new MKVToolnix (something that I don't remember the name) to fetch the fonts, the only way for it to work is to do this: Go to MPC-HC Options Menu > "External Filters" > Block "Haali Media Splitter" and use LAV Splitter for .mkv instead by re-enabling it on the "Formats" tab. This is also explained in the last question of xy-VSFilter FAQ. |
NiyawaDec 20, 2012 10:27 AM
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Niyawa said: LordSenate said: If you have the time, if you could still answer my previous questions that would be awesome. As I am curious as to why its better. I'll answer anything I can. Thank you for explaining everything.. It seems that I was having problems with an external hard drive, for some reason it was running horribly slow. I am going to re-do everything with the anime on my internal hard drive and try again, I will let you know how it works out. |
yawgmoth said: Can you also include pics for people who manually install Lav filters via the .bat files? Hm... I guess I could include instructions but not pics. If you have enough knowledge to install it using the advanced mode, then you don't need pics for it. madVR also only uses instructions. Though- I don't know why you would prefer the folder version instead of the installer. Is there any reason? Edit: madFlac is optional. That is mentioned in the start of the guide. |
NiyawaDec 20, 2012 8:04 PM
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yawgmoth said: Can you also include how to use this http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154719 Do I need a color calibration device for this? I'll think about doing that in version 6.x maybe. But for now I'd rather not, I don't have enough knowledge in the section so if I try to make a guide for something I'm not sure it's right/wrong, and people start asking questions, it will do more harm than good. what's the diff from this and the one on the first page? it's made by nand but his pic died though My guide of ReClock as optimized for anime quality playback, adapting the media (don't use with madVR) for smooth playback, basically - the video is the main focus here. That one nand made is for WASAPI exclusive bit output (bitstreaming too), basically - the audio is the main focus. |
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yawgmoth said: So your reclock guide is not to be used with madvr? ReClock should not be used with madVR at all if you have a 60hz screen. madVR has issues with 24p@60hz. Of course, if it's 120 Hz or any other exact multiply it's fine (I'm going to include this later in version 4.3). Though if you do have a 120 Hz you won't need adaptation of media. |
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yawgmoth said: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162285&page=13 Does this happen to require a colorimeter either? Any plans on adding this? I can't tell. Why? Refer to my previous post (#129). I could implement it later if it's really important step for madVR, but not any soon. I don't have enough knowledge in the section, so putting anything related without a thoroughly search and study so I can put the best options and instructions won't work. I'll take a look at the matter later, promise. My priority right now is to add customized options for madVR scaling algorithms and an image-based guide for portable reference. |
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Niyawa said: Hmm... I have a 60Hz screen and Reclock is better than no Reclock...yawgmoth said: So your reclock guide is not to be used with madvr? ReClock should not be used with madVR at all if you have a 60hz screen. madVR has issues with 24p@60hz. Of course, if it's 120 Hz or any other exact multiply it's fine (I'm going to include this later in version 4.3). Though if you do have a 120 Hz you won't need adaptation of media. |
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yawgmoth said: I use a Color Munki to calibrate my monitor and Little CMS and a Kodak target to calibrate a scanner. Not perfect by any measure, but good enough. I will say that a proper spectroradiometer and a calibration program like CalMAN is expensive as fuck. I'm not sure where madVR comes into this or maybe it's useful for people who, for whatever reason, like to use a different color space for watching movies than when surfing the web...http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=162285&page=13 Does this happen to require a colorimeter either? Any plans on adding this? |
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Soulthus said: What's your stance on using FFDShow's resize filter for higher resolution xy-VSFilter subtitles? Not worth it. Completer and utter shit. People who use this method basically are downscaling the quality of 10-bit playback to 8-bit because they can't deal with subtitles aesthetics. madshi himself and some other developers already said that making a decoder do a renderer job is simply stupidity. I mean, does that even makes sense to you? I don't know who comes up with those stupid ideas, but whoever was, he should think a little before doing things because it's not really doing any good. katsucats said: Hmm... I have a 60Hz screen and Reclock is better than no Reclock... How? madshi said himself that 24p@60Hz is not optimal for madVR yet, and using ReClock to adapt the media won't make any difference. That was basically the whole point of ReClock in the guide thus it will be removed until Vsync of madVR has better support for 60 Hz. |
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Niyawa said: Nevermind. Gotta do more testing.katsucats said: How? madshi said himself that 24p@60Hz is not optimal for madVR yet, and using ReClock to adapt the media won't make any difference. That was basically the whole point of ReClock in the guide thus it will be removed until Vsync of madVR has better support for 60 Hz.Hmm... I have a 60Hz screen and Reclock is better than no Reclock... |
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TheCorinthian said: Just dropping in after a while to let you know that my movies play perfectly now including 10 bit video. I can definitely see a difference in quality. The only thing that seems to be off for me is the madFLAC. MadFLAC isn't used when I check the filters. I'll try different videos eventually to see if it is used, however, so far it has not been used for m2ts files and MKV's. Good to know the new hardware was effective. I'm planning to do an upgrade soon as well, with the development of KCP etc. Well, the cause must be because LAV Audio Decoder has flac selected in it's options. Refer to step 5 of Configuration section, it will solve your problem. That is, if you have madFlac in the "External Filters" list. |
NiyawaDec 30, 2012 8:33 PM
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TheCorinthian said: Are you sure your files have FLAC in them at all? M2TS usually doesn't use FLAC (unless you mux them in there for some reason). MKV anime releases, usually they only include FLAC if it's a 1080p BD-Rip. AAC is more common.The only thing that seems to be off for me is the madFLAC. MadFLAC isn't used when I check the filters. I'll try different videos eventually to see if it is used, however, so far it has not been used for m2ts files and MKV's. |
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| So basically you were playing a file without FLAC? Hahaha you got me worried for a minute there. Thanks for the help too katsu. If you feel like you have any questions or are having problems, don't hesitate to drop by TC (TheCorinthian is a little too long, if you don't mind). We'll be here to help in any way we can. |
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Deathnosis said: Erm I used this guide on my pervious OS win xp it worked fine. It depends on the cpu and gpu specs I was referring to support of the guide itself. For example, if you have a question and use another OS other than the mentioned supported by the guide, I'll either ignore you or simply say that I can't help you. |
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| The new CCCP is out and its feature has completely change. I wonder if you can test it out and determine it is decent. |
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RDF2050 said: The new CCCP is out and its feature has completely change. I wonder if you can test it out and determine it is decent. It's really more decent. They removed the vanilla VSFilter which was a huge drawback, and are also using MPC-HC Lite (which will be included in this guide next revision). They also made a smart move of using LAV Filters + Haali for compatibility and performance. The new LAMM is indeed a good thing too. But unfortunately, they still aren't using madVR, which is years better than EVR-CP. For now, that's the only thing that is holding CCCP from it's true potential. Let's just hope they give us monthly release now. I hate how they keep you with outdated codecs for 1 year or more. |
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| I still wonder why they don't use madvr in their pack. Is this relate of how important your GPU power has to be in order to use it without problems? They will be force to do something since this is the year H265 is going to be release for "public use". |
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RDF2050 said: I still wonder why they don't use madvr in their pack. Is this relate of how important your GPU power has to be in order to use it without problems? They will be force to do something since this is the year H265 is going to be release for "public use". It's... hard to explain. I've been talking and discussing with madshi and other users in the official forum for quite some time now, and it's easy to come to a conclusion that the "safe" side to use madVR doesn't exist yet. This is because even though the GPU plays the key part in this, there's still a lot of different GPU brands, architectures and of course, performance. And this is only the "flat" side, there's a lot going on in the details. There's also a lot of different setups, configurations and most important, files. A 24p 10-bit with madVR is usually piece of cake for a middle GPU or even a onboard user (like me), now try a 30-60 fps with the same thing, it won't get you anywhere. To be more direct, CCCP while being a pack, is also know to be always on the "safe" side. It took them 2 years to realize that LAV is outright superior decoder instead of ffdshow tryouts. It was a good move to use xy-VSFilter as default renderer, because they also realized that vanilla one wouldn't suffice anymore. And that is the point: madVR even at the lowest of it's performance use, still is not safe to use with all setups. I'm afraid we won't see that in CCCP pack too soon, if we do, it's either lucky of our part of they've managed to make some sort of key configuration for it while still being better than EVR-CP. So yes, we could say it's because of the GPU, since "we" want safety for the end-user. |
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