| Attention: This guide will likely be outdated by the time you read this. See this post for why and where you can go from now on. You can still check for the latest version I released through the spoiler below. Keep in mind the alternatives I'm mentioning here are what I believe works best as of the time I edited this post. If you're from the future and believe I can make a meaningful edit to include another option (or remove it) then you can post in the thread or contact me in PM. KCP still is my top recommendation when quality playback and easy configuration is concerned. You'll get most of the options you would've gotten with this guide done automatically for you so most if any configuration will be done in madVR in majority of the cases. Check the link in the "Attention" part up there for some other guide recommendations. mpv is another good alternative you have an old laptop or a low-end hardware that might not fit your needs in regards to madVR playback as it has easy set-up and very good quality output from the get go. It can play pretty much anything I've thrown at it (Core 2 Duo T6600 for reference) so as long as you don't go for 60fps or 4K playback on an old toaster, it should be the fine. CCCP is not a bad alternative but updates itself relatively less frequently than KCP, and doesn't include madVR. However, trusty /a/nons believe this is a pro as the pack only includes more stable versions of its components. It's up to you, really. |
NiyawaJan 9, 2015 10:49 AM
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EuTenhoBomGosto said: why is this different than using K-lite or CCCP More quality, performance and compatibility overall with some installation costs. |
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| I was using CCCP+MadVR. Just completely reinstalled though using this guide. Atleast I think I got a noticeable gain in video quality, not much, but definitely noticeable. Although I am really not a fan of using reclock for audio output, I just couldn't stick with that. |
Caze said: I was using CCCP+MadVR. Just completely reinstalled though using this guide. Atleast I think I got a noticeable gain in video quality, not much, but definitely noticeable. Although I am really not a fan of using reclock for audio output, I just couldn't stick with that. Reclock is kinda contradictory because some people say it won't make any difference, but it does. Also, although it's an audio renderer, the main point of it is to adapt media to match the screen refresh rate. The quality gain goes up to 5-30% (especially with upscales), but the performance is what speaks for itself. madVR is GPU oriented so it's easy to use CPU apps while watching an episode for example. |
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Niyawa said: Caze said: I was using CCCP+MadVR. Just completely reinstalled though using this guide. Atleast I think I got a noticeable gain in video quality, not much, but definitely noticeable. Although I am really not a fan of using reclock for audio output, I just couldn't stick with that. Reclock is kinda contradictory because some people say it won't make any difference, but it does. Also, although it's an audio renderer, the main point of it is to adapt media to match the screen refresh rate. The quality gain goes up to 5-30% (especially with upscales), but the performance is what speaks for itself. madVR is GPU oriented so it's easy to use CPU apps while watching an episode for example. I guess I'll just stick with it then. I just didn't like that I couldn't go to a different part of the video without it taking a noticeably long moment to load the audio and making a "click" sound. |
| I'm running a 64-bit system, shouldn't there be some sort of decoders to take advantage of that? Currently using Shark 007 codecs for Win 7, with the x64 add-on codecs as well as CCCP. Always' worked great for me, not sure if your guide would help me much. |
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Jrittmayer said: I'm running a 64-bit system, shouldn't there be some sort of decoders to take advantage of that? Currently using Shark 007 codecs for Win 7, with the x64 add-on codecs as well as CCCP. Always' worked great for me, not sure if your guide would help me much. You don't need 64-bit codecs, even in 64-bit Windows. MadVR doesn't support 64-bit, but that doesn't affect the quality. |
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| I used a similar guide from Bishoujo Project and it works nicely. One notable difference between this one and that one is this guide has no mention of hardware acceleration within LAV Video Decoder. Just wondering what your thoughts on this are. |
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Kimura said: I used a similar guide from Bishoujo Project and it works nicely. One notable difference between this one and that one is this guide has no mention of hardware acceleration within LAV Video Decoder. Just wondering what your thoughts on this are. It really depends on your system. If you only have a mid-range video card (or high-end integrated graphics) your graphics power should be going toward madVR, especially if you want good downscaling and upscaling (if, for example, your monitor is less than 1080p and you want to use 4- or 8-tap Lanczos with anti-ringing to downscale 1080p video, you'll need all the graphics power you can manage). But if you do have a video card that can run madVR and LAV's hardware acceleration without dropping any frames, then chances are you also have a CPU that can run 10-bit 1080p video without breaking a sweat. So hardware acceleration is pointless on the majority of systems. I don't think it works with AMD cards either. |
Caze said: I just didn't like that I couldn't go to a different part of the video without it taking a noticeably long moment to load the audio and making a "click" sound. Because it adapts the media, it needs some time to re-adapt it when you use seeking. It's usually fast and unnoticeable with the right settings. I'm still working towards it and soon I'll update the guide with more necessary information in the matter. Jrittmayer said: I'm running a 64-bit system, shouldn't there be some sort of decoders to take advantage of that? Currently using Shark 007 codecs for Win 7, with the x64 add-on codecs as well as CCCP. Always' worked great for me, not sure if your guide would help me much. x64 bit codecs are useless. They not only are a problem for compatibility but the performance gain is not worth it. Kimura said: I used a similar guide from Bishoujo Project and it works nicely. One notable difference between this one and that one is this guide has no mention of hardware acceleration within LAV Video Decoder. Just wondering what your thoughts on this are. First, I don't recommend the use of Bishoujou Project guide. Not just because their guide sucks (don't let me get started with most issues), but because it recommends things that you will never need like madFlac and the useless CoreAVC. They also don't recommend the use of xy-VSFilter that is the best subtitle renderer to date (because of minor issues with Desktop resolution which only people who upscale can sometimes notice). Oh yeah, with this guide like Hakuro said, you won't need hardware acceleration or anything of sort. madVR is GPU oriented so it will use the potential of the CPU and GPU altogether. Basically, they're trying to put in your throat everything that is out there either you'll need it or not. Completely pointless. |
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| I used Bishoujo Project's guide as a basis for my own setup. I say basis because I don't think that any setup guide should be followed exactly, because you need to take into account both the capabilities of your computer and your own personal preferences. I ended up doing a lot of research all around the net and fooling around with configuration for a while, and I still find little things to tweak. My GPU's too slow for MadVR, but I've gotten great results with EVR Custom Pres. with floating point processing and pixel shaders. Something interesting I do is play 720p videos at their normal size in fullscreen, though my monitor is 1366 x 768. Because they're so close in resolution, the black surrounding the frame isn't enough to bother me at all, and I've gotten smoother playback from it. |
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KazolOrajia said: I ended up doing a lot of research all around the net and fooling around with configuration for a while, and I still find little things to tweak. My GPU's too slow for MadVR, but I've gotten great results with EVR Custom Pres. with floating point processing and pixel shaders. The problem with their guide is simply because they forgot to make the most essential thing: recommend the most optimal software. Although it's explained about xy-VSFilter there, when you read it, the feeling you get it that you should get away from it because of the desktop resolution, which is a minor issue compared to what the internal MPC-HC's VSFilter sucks at. Did you tried to change madVR chroma upsampling and upscale/downscale? With the right settings you can use it with better performance than EVR-CP. I recommend using bilinear since your upscale is not major. |
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Niyawa said: Although it's explained about xy-VSFilter there, when you read it, the feeling you get it that you should get away from it because of the desktop resolution, which is a minor issue compared to what the internal MPC-HC's VSFilter sucks at. He's using JanWillem32's builds of MPC-HC, which don't have perfect subtitle engines but are still a hell of lot better than regular MPC-HC. It's less stable/consistent than xy-VSFilter, but if you do a lot of upscaling it's worth considering IMO. My setup is JanWillem32's MPC-HC with xy-VSFilter installed. I just check/uncheck "auto-load subtitles" to switch between the two and I love having that option. EDIT: But I agree that xy-VSFilter is "the" renderer to recommend. |
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Hakuromatsu said: But I agree that xy-VSFilter is "the" renderer to recommend. Yup. I'm yet to make a full test on JanWillem32's builds of MPC-HC. If it pass the range of quality, I may put it in the guide. It's likely do to so, since XhmikosR is also working on the project. |
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| How were you able to activate the screenshot feature when using madvr as the video renderer? Refer: Third screenshot. |
Harontiar said: How were you able to activate the screenshot feature when using madvr as the video renderer? madVR supports screenshot since the 0.84 version. But you need to use the MPC-HC builds from the link that I provided (I call them nightly builds, since they get daily updates). You can't take screenshots with the current stable version of MPC-HC in the website. |
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Niyawa said: Harontiar said: How were you able to activate the screenshot feature when using madvr as the video renderer? madVR supports screenshot since the 0.84 version. But you need to use the MPC-HC builds from the link that I provided (I call them nightly builds, since they get daily updates). You can't take screenshots with the current stable version of MPC-HC in the website. Okay. I got it now. Thank you. |
maguss said: Why do you not recommend CoreAVC? I have problems running high quality 1080p videos on my computer with normal codecs but after installing CoreAVC, its play much better with no stutter. Unless the other video codecs have recently fixed their issues, CoreAVC seems to work best with people who have older pcs. Did you try the LAV filters? They're open source and constantly being updated, currently I hear they're not much slower than CoreAVC. |
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maguss said: Why do you not recommend CoreAVC? I have problems running high quality 1080p videos on my computer with normal codecs but after installing CoreAVC, its play much better with no stutter. Unless the other video codecs have recently fixed their issues, CoreAVC seems to work best with people who have older pcs. What's your system? I was under the impression that LAV is just as fast now, but I haven't seen anything but anecdotes. And like Narmy said, LAV is updated all the time. CoreAVC 3.0 is a year old now. CoreAVC is proprietary, anyway -- you shouldn't have to pay anything (or pirate anything) for a media setup. |
maguss said: Why do you not recommend CoreAVC? I have problems running high quality 1080p videos on my computer with normal codecs but after installing CoreAVC, its play much better with no stutter. Unless the other video codecs have recently fixed their issues, CoreAVC seems to work best with people who have older pcs. 1. It uses dithering. (downscale quality) 2. It's slower than LAV. 3. It's not freeware. And was the user above mentioned, it's really outdated. |
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x5d13 said: Either way I'd love if someone could point me to a build or plugin that replaces the in-built subtitler for the player with something of XY-VSfilter's power, rather than a video filter that cannot take video display scaling into account. Sorry to disappoint you, but if there was something like that, it would have been recommended in the guide. xy-VSFilter is the only available build that merges the fixes of 2.39 (original) and 2.41 (MPC-HC internal) with some extras improvements. Other builds such as threaded vsfilter or vsfiltermod are still being worked on, so it's not my recommendation to make a switch. The non-support for desktop resolution is a minor thing. If it bugs you so much, you can simply switch to MPC-HC internal or use JanWillem32's builds of MPC-HC that comes with great improvements over the internal VSFilter of this MPC. maguss said: I understand the only negative is that you have to pay for CoreAvc. Also my system is Windows 7 64 bit. Intel Core 2 Duo 2GHz 4GB Ram ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650(Its a laptop) Expecting to play 1080p content with a dual core of only 2 Ghz it's a dream, unless you downscale the quality (like CoreAVC does) you won't be able to watch it. I don't understand why you would want to play 1080p with a laptop anyway, since it's old, I believe it doesn't have a resolution any higher than 1600x900. You can correct me though. Now as for CoreAVC, let me get straight with you. CoreAVC is not optimal for quality. This guide is for quality playback, that's why I will never recommend it here. |
NiyawaNov 20, 2012 5:26 AM
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maguss said: It has 1920x1200. Also is there any settings to change when installing Haali Media Splitter or do I just press next on everything. Also should I use Haali Media Splitter or LaV Splitter. What's the difference? Nope, you just click next like there's no tomorrow. I guess I should put some mentions so people don't get confused in this part. I recommend Haali over everything else. Not only is more performance wise, but since LAV still doesn't support O.C and accurate seeking, it's somewhat inconvenient. |
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| i get dropped frames when playing video in full screen, when i play it windowed it plays fine. any suggestions or is it my hardware? i'm using a pretty weak laptop im getting around 20-21 intel pentium cpu 2.4 GHz, intel hd graphics, 4 gb ram EDIT: nvm updated my graphic driver. flawless framerate ;) thanks alot! |
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blubberflub said: i get dropped frames when playing video in full screen, when i play it windowed it plays fine. any suggestions or is it my hardware? i'm using a pretty weak laptop im getting around 20-21 intel pentium cpu 2.4 GHz, intel hd graphics, 4 gb ram EDIT: nvm updated my graphic driver. flawless framerate ;) thanks alot! Updated drivers are important. Glad the guide was helpful. |
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| Great Guide. Might take a look and see what I can do with it when I get home. |
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| This is a rip of my original guide ( http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/index.php/205/hi10p-info-guide.html ). The only difference I can see is that you give an option to install ReClock over Haali Media Splitter. |
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Swaps4 said: This is a rip of my original guide ( http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/index.php/205/hi10p-info-guide.html ). The only difference I can see is that you give an option to install ReClock over Haali Media Splitter. Saying a "rip" is a bit... I did mention it's source so you could have said it in another way. Also there's other differences that I mentioned in the message. |
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aozoai said: Small typo under the first subtitle question (faq5). Resolution is spelled incorrectly. Otherwise, this is a great reference considering a lot of sub groups have been using or are directing to outdated guides (see: the one you linked to in the OP). Fixed, thanks for poiting that out. Well, that was one of the reasons I decided to make a new guide. It has a better interface regarding what apps to use, what filters, and what's recommended or not, it's basically a summary of the good parts of other guides, but mostly based on nand's one. Hopefully it's helpful to you. |
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| Could you explain what difference it would make if I were to put madVR on the external filters list? I thought it's already being used up as the renderer? |
HauntingShockDec 3, 2012 10:58 PM
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HauntingShock said: Could you explain what difference it would make if I were to put madVR on the external filters list? I thought it's already being used up as the renderer? It doesn't make any difference in the overall use of it. Usually let's say you want to block madVR and use another renderer. You need to block it in external filters otherwise it will overwrite MPC-HC's command in output and still use madVR no matter which one else you chose. Far as I know that doesn't happen anymore, but there's still people who whinny about madVR not being used etc, so it's a safe bet to put it. But you can easily remove it if you want. |
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TheCorinthian said: What's the audio codec used in your m2ts files? I use madvr and LAV (didn't follow this guide), but it plays sound perfectly. One thing it wouldn't do though is if you have multiple audio options, or PGS subtitles (graphic subs, not text-based subs). For those to work, you need to temporarily block Haali in the options.I just tried your guide and it worked great for most of videos except for my .m2ts formats. I don't get any sound from these videos please suggest a solution. Also, I am not using the madVR since my computer can't seem to handle it it. Instead I am using the EVR custom pres. Thanks! If your files use FLAC, make sure you have the FLAC codec. |
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katsucats said: If your files use FLAC, make sure you have the FLAC codec. Ignore this guy. TheCorinthian said: I just tried your guide and it worked great for most of videos except for my .m2ts formats. I don't get any sound from these videos please suggest a solution. I downloaded a sample of .m2ts and played perfectly. Please refer to the first question of the FAQ in "Audio" Section. Again, that's the only possible explanation I know. After doing that if it still doesn't work, come back here with a sample of your video that doesn't work, I'll test it myself. |
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Niyawa said: Hah, okay. Your loss. Anyone can write a guide and pretend to be an expert.katsucats said: If your files use FLAC, make sure you have the FLAC codec. Ignore this guy. |
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| la la la~ madFLAC~ |
HauntingShock said: Thanks. LAV also does FLAC apparently. I just have it all downloaded.la la la~ madFLAC~ |
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katsucats said: Hah, okay. Your loss. Anyone can write a guide and pretend to be an expert. I'm not an expert, and I don't want to look like one. But recommending useless attempts is meaningless. HauntingShock said: la la la~ madFLAC~ madFLAC is not required. There was a time when ffmpeg was not bitperfect neither could output channels correctly, but libav of LAV Audio already does that. |
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Niyawa said: I assume that he's using M2TS because of blu-ray rips. If that's the case, he's not going to get everything to work by following your guide. If that doesn't make sense to you, then good luck with your "useless attempts"...katsucats said: Hah, okay. Your loss. Anyone can write a guide and pretend to be an expert. I'm not an expert, and I don't want to look like one. But recommending useless attempts is meaningless. |
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katsucats said: I assume that he's using M2TS because of blu-ray rips. If that's the case, he's not going to get everything to work by following your guide. If that doesn't make sense to you, then good luck with your "useless attempts"... LAV already supports FLAC the same way madFLAC does (that's why I don't recommend it). I downloaded a .m2ts taken from a blu-ray rip and it plays perfectly. I'm also using this guide byte by byte so that already proves it's not a problem with the guide itself. You're recommending him to actually download the codec itself when it's already supported. That's why I say it's meaningless. Also, genuine .m2ts comes with either DTS, TrueHD or AC3 audio files. I really don't know how FLAC comes into mind. But again, I'm not an expert, so unless you make a genuine attempt to explain why you believe something will not work, I don't know how I can believe you, since it works here. |
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maguss said: Hey can you post what the difference is between your guide and these 2 other top guides. The first and most important difference: This guide was optimized for high-quality anime playback. While those were simple for H.264 compatibility (you can realize that by noticing that they don't really care about subtitles performance or compatibility with typesetting). Let's start by the first link from AVSForum. It's a decent guide, if you just want to play files without too much thinking but don't want to resort to CCCP or anything else, that would be recommended. It's a nice touch with the audio configuration too. The guide was also updated pretty recently, which means that the author is out there to help you with any issues. Now on to the second link. It's basically the same as the first one since it's a copy-paste. It has some different words and screenshots, and a new section of "Hardware Requirements" but that's about it. Either you chose one or another, it will be the same result, but... As I previously said, they really don't care about the subtitles performance and compatibility. xy-VSFilter or JanWillem32's builds would be the must recommend instead of the internal MPC-HC VSFilter. They also don't recommend to disable the transform filters, I've encountered some people claiming to have playback problems because of internal MPC-HC filters that were in conflict with LAV ones. Not to mention that there's shareware there, even though it's optional, that's not something I would put in a guide at least. I would recommend both of them for a standard setup, especially for those who like bitstreaming, but not for anime playback. |
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