Do you believe in the afterlife/souls/heaven and hell
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BryanBosslingMar 14, 2014 3:18 AM
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| im neutral about it considering that a lot of scientist believe information is not lost it can only be scrambled on this universe/multiverse and their is this idea called quantum archaeology but at thesame time you got this scientific term called entropy though the natural decline of anything into disorder or death but i do not believe in the afterlife as explained by religions so far |
| I feel like people get what they want to some extent after death and usually believe what they want. I don't think an afterlife is for everyone. A lot of people who don't believe in an afterlife don't want an afterlife and nearly all who believe inn an afterlife do want an afterlife but that is just on random observations. A poll would help identify that if someone wants an afterlife or not and believes in it or not. If there is any correlation. |
j0x said: So you don't believe there is no afterlife but you also don't believe in the heaven or hell stuff. im neutral about it considering that a lot of scientist believe information is not lost it can only be scrambled on this universe/multiverse and their is this idea called quantum archaeology but at thesame time you got this scientific term called entropy though the natural decline of anything into disorder or death but i do not believe in the afterlife as explained by religions so far This quantum archeology sounds like reincarnation or something. |
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GuusWayne said: j0x said: So you don't believe there is no afterlife but you also don't believe in the heaven or hell stuff. im neutral about it considering that a lot of scientist believe information is not lost it can only be scrambled on this universe/multiverse and their is this idea called quantum archaeology but at thesame time you got this scientific term called entropy though the natural decline of anything into disorder or death but i do not believe in the afterlife as explained by religions so far This quantum archeology sounds like reincarnation or something. if science can prove quantum archaeology is real then i will believe it but for now im neutral about the afterlife and ye i do not believe there is heaven or hell they are just fiction |
| Alright, I see. So you would rather know something for a fact than believe anything. |
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| Isn't quantum archaeology more like the kind of cloning you see in scifi movies with memories intact ? I have heard of electromagnetic consciousness theories like quantum mind, the microtubules in the brain because of the laws of quantum physics do not have to be limited in function by space thus the mind can live outside the body or something like that if i remember right. |
| I consider humans just as biological robots. So my answer is that there is no afterlife. |
| I've been reading a bit about Buddhism and apparently it has a lot to do with fields of science like neurology, psychology, astro physics etc. I wouldn't say Buddhism is really a religion, it's a philosophy. It teaches the developing the mind and the path to escape suffering. Buddhists believe that even though the body dies a beings conscience is eternal.At the time of your death all you have left is the Karma you have accumulated in your life and that determines the new realm that your conscience will create for you to be born into. When you are born into this new realm you do not remember your past life and this cycle of birth and death continues until one of your reincarnations achieve a state called nirvana, which means to extinguish oneself from existence and escape the cycle. I don't know much about it but Nirvana is similar to heaven, it is a state of perfect peace. Here's an article about it. http://www.buddha101.com/p_nirvana.htm As an non-religious person this is the closest I've got to being interested in life after death. |
AzlanMar 14, 2014 3:37 AM
| You don't need to be a scientist to have an opinion but you're actually saying you believe in science. |
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GuusWayne said: Get off your high horse and stop being a tight ass. I've noticed it's really hard for mal people to have a mature discussion. tight as a fookin ducks ass he is |
traed said: Isn't quantum archaeology more like the kind of cloning you see in scifi movies with memories intact ? yes because according to quantum mechanics information is never lost its just gets scrambled and that scrambling effect is the entropy i suppose quick google and i found an interesting talk about this but its kinda hard to grasp because its physics lol - http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/29175/why-is-information-indestructable |
| Well I think I should also tell you guys what I believe. Personally, I think there is life after death because it's my opinion that my conciousness is eternal and will continue to live even after my body dies. My awareness or conciousness pre-existed my birth, therefore having awareness in this body wouldn't be a coincidence, I believe that is my true identity which is the soul. It makes sense to me given some thought, so if my conciousness existed before I was born then it will also exist when I die, that's why I think there is an afterlife. |
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cabacc2 said: I did not really say its fully supported as its a theory.what? Source please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm (not really the original source but good enough unless you happen to major in quantum physics) Mostly heard about it from this guy I saw on tv before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Hameroff (Id post something other than wiki if i knew where you get proper credential listings but its good enough not like hes gonna go on his own wiki page every day) http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/ (I think this might be his website? ) |
Heredity said: That gave me a headache.but what about life after death after life after death? |
Heredity said: but what about life after death after life after death? The fact that this sentence not only makes sense but is also a legitimate question concerning the topic of life after death amazes me. |
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Heredity said: I presume that is excluding reincarnation as that is continuous life and death. Sapewloth said: Heredity said: but what about life after death after life after death? The fact that this sentence not only makes sense but is also a legitimate question concerning the topic of life after death amazes me. i've always pondered the question when the topic's brought up. There is another belief about people going to another world when they die and then when they die in that world they come back to this world, if that fits what you're thinking of. Unless you are thinking more along the lines of various levels of afterlives each reached by a new death. So yeah that is a valid question especially considering those who believe in a soul think its eternal yet maybe its not if it were to exist so dying the next time is dying for real. |
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cabacc2 said: First you tell me I'm irrational then you give me a stupid quote from a nerd cripple who thinks life is a computer program.GuusWayne said: you were concious before you were born? what? no!Well I think I should also tell you guys what I believe. Personally, I think there is life after death because it's my opinion that my conciousness is eternal and will continue to live even after my body dies. My awareness or conciousness pre-existed my birth, therefore having awareness in this body wouldn't be a coincidence, I believe that is my true identity which is the soul. It makes sense to me given some thought, so if my conciousness existed before I was born then it will also exist when I die, that's why I think there is an afterlife. this is so irrational I dont even know where to start here. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.” -Stephen Hawking souls are fiction. |
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| Life after death doesn't make much sense to me, so I live my life under the assumption that it doesn't exist. To me the perception of the self and consciousness is nothing more than my brain doing its thing and working with the rest of the body. If my body and brain ceases to exist, then it would make sense that my consciousness will too. I'll be dead as fuck. |
MoogMar 14, 2014 5:52 AM
| Well, I've done some soul-searching before when I was into philosophy, question things, to know myself etc and that's what I came to. |
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GuusWayne said: cabacc2 said: First you tell me I'm irrational then you give me a stupid quote from a nerd cripple who thinks life is a computer program.GuusWayne said: you were concious before you were born? what? no!Well I think I should also tell you guys what I believe. Personally, I think there is life after death because it's my opinion that my conciousness is eternal and will continue to live even after my body dies. My awareness or conciousness pre-existed my birth, therefore having awareness in this body wouldn't be a coincidence, I believe that is my true identity which is the soul. It makes sense to me given some thought, so if my conciousness existed before I was born then it will also exist when I die, that's why I think there is an afterlife. this is so irrational I dont even know where to start here. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.” -Stephen Hawking souls are fiction. It is not stupid quote. I feel like you are the stupid one here. |
| Well, I just asked who I am and went further and further untill I stopped there. It's weird to ask but if you think about why you are concious as this particular person then you kinda realize that your conciousness is independent of your body. It makes perfect sense in my head. |
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GuusWayne said: Well, I just asked who I am and went further and further untill I stopped there. It's weird to ask but if you think about why you are concious as this particular person then you kinda realize that your conciousness is independent of your body. It makes perfect sense in my head. Your consciousness = your brains. So it is not independent from your body. Since your brains are part of your body. |
Kyonyo said: Why are you concious with that brain then? How come you experience life as that person?GuusWayne said: Well, I just asked who I am and went further and further untill I stopped there. It's weird to ask but if you think about why you are concious as this particular person then you kinda realize that your conciousness is independent of your body. It makes perfect sense in my head. Your consciousness = your brains. So it is not independent from your body. Since your brains are part of your body. |
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GuusWayne said: Kyonyo said: Why are you concious with that brain then? How come you experience life as that person?GuusWayne said: Well, I just asked who I am and went further and further untill I stopped there. It's weird to ask but if you think about why you are concious as this particular person then you kinda realize that your conciousness is independent of your body. It makes perfect sense in my head. Your consciousness = your brains. So it is not independent from your body. Since your brains are part of your body. May you elaborate your point? |
| This Buddhism article has some pretty interesting concepts on nature of the conscience. http://www.mindfulnessbell.org/wp/2012/12/dharma-talk-the-buddhist-understanding-of-reality/ |
Kyonyo said: GuusWayne said: Kyonyo said: Why are you concious with that brain then? How come you experience life as that person?GuusWayne said: Well, I just asked who I am and went further and further untill I stopped there. It's weird to ask but if you think about why you are concious as this particular person then you kinda realize that your conciousness is independent of your body. It makes perfect sense in my head. Your consciousness = your brains. So it is not independent from your body. Since your brains are part of your body. May you elaborate your point? More or less I think he is saying I think therefore I am. I would say what waits after death depends on what you believe. Nothing? Then nothing. Holy land, holy land, Valhalla, then that. We really don't know much on a number of things, we know HOW the brain works, but we don't know why. So the possibility of a soul, or some of what eastern thought thinks on the manner could likely be true, more so than western thought on the issue. |
RedArmyShogun said: I would say what waits after death depends on what you believe. Nothing? Then nothing. Holy land, holy land, Valhalla, then that. We really don't know much on a number of things, we know HOW the brain works, but we don't know why. So the possibility of a soul, or some of what eastern thought thinks on the manner could likely be true, more so than western thought on the issue. That sounds extremely weird if I believe that after death I become super saiyan then I'll become super saiyan? O.o |
Kyonyo said: RedArmyShogun said: I would say what waits after death depends on what you believe. Nothing? Then nothing. Holy land, holy land, Valhalla, then that. We really don't know much on a number of things, we know HOW the brain works, but we don't know why. So the possibility of a soul, or some of what eastern thought thinks on the manner could likely be true, more so than western thought on the issue. That sounds extremely weird if I believe that after death I become super saiyan then I'll become super saiyan? O.o Likely in the confines of your own mind, there is a school of thought that more or less goes "Human energy gives form to thought, if enough believe in such and such it becomes real." Metaphysical form. I personally do not know if that might be the case, that by believing in god. god is made, or that god just doesn't give a shit, or if there is no god but a gaia concept or the like. All I know for sure is things are rarely as simple as they seem. And the human brain and what is after death is one of those. Though I find it funny even athiest think on the concept that seems to pull at all of our brains and mortal coils. |
cabacc2 said: RedArmyShogun said: I would say what waits after death depends on what you believe. Nothing? Then nothing. Holy land, holy land, Valhalla, then that. We really don't know much on a number of things, we know HOW the brain works, but we don't know why. So the possibility of a soul, or some of what eastern thought thinks on the manner could likely be true, more so than western thought on the issue. so... what you tell me is... 1. you accept the premise of a soul for whatever reason 2. the soul is somehow connected to your brain 3. then you tell me that your thoughts (that are really just neurons interacting with each other) affect your soul in a way that leads to your soul moving to a place that equals your thoughts 4. and this is likely because we dont understand why the brain works makes perfect sence! I find at times its better to nod your head and smile at the madness than to make sense of it. Also As I said its not that simple. My views on the subject are more complex. To break it down, 1. Yes. Mostly given my concept of justice, if not for that I wouldn't mind seeing large scale purges of the corrupt and unjust, if it were not for the concept of devine punishment, you would likely see far more uprisings in general. 2. Maybe maybe not, I see the soul as a concept more in line with buddhist thought that as a physical object as with western thought. 3. I said thats a realm of possibility, there are no absolutes. 4. I'm saying that the brain is a mystery. We know how it works but not Why. The why is the million dollar question. Why are humans so special from everything else on this mud ball? Is it a soul, or is it something else at work, do we have fate, or do we have free will, is it both or nothing at all. Heck we might not even exsist at the end of the day by some views. So please do not feel free to assume for me. You know what they say when you Assume right? cabacc2 said: Even better! "human energy! (wtf is that supposed to mean) gives birth to thoughts (human energy -> neurons interaction) and this leads to things happening in reality. because there is a 100% connection between what happens inside your brain and the rest of the world. thats like sayin when you take a shit and write a wish with it on your forehead, it will become real! There is literally NO connection between your thoughts and the rest of the world. also: "All I know for sure is things are rarely as simple as they seem." --> Screw logic! Screw everything we know about brains and stuff! Well now seems someone woke up with his bowl of bitch flake and dose of stupidity. One I said that is a school of thought among several. Did I say it was my view? Nope. I was saying its a considerd abstract possibility. And are you an expert on the human brain? If so please fill in the ongoing research into the subject. As a finaly edit. I'm looking at this from the philosophical view. Not the scientific purely. And was interjecting not as I support the previous poster but to carry out a proper debate. But it seems you have no interest in that however, so much as being a screaming knuckle dragging ape, not much better than the Spanish once upon a time. I see this will only be a waste of my time. Please go back to your insults and bullshitting by all means gentlemen. |
RedArmyShogunMar 14, 2014 7:26 AM
RedArmyShogun said: No, that's not what he said - or if he did, then that's not how you're supposed to use it.More or less I think he is saying I think therefore I am. RedArmyShotgun said: That seems a bit of a stretch, it seems as though you're saying reality is what we make of it - while some truth can be found there, it begs for another discussion entirely and is a useless belief when it comes down to it.I would say what waits after death depends on what you believe. Nothing? Then nothing. Holy land, holy land, Valhalla, then that. RedArmyShotgun said: What do you mean we don't know why??We really don't know much on a number of things, we know HOW the brain works, but we don't know why. RedArmyShotgun said: If we dwell too much on what -could- be true then we'd never see the end of it. Some things are not worth considering before there's evidence to suggest it, or rather they're not worth considering over what the evidence already suggests.So the possibility of a soul, or some of what eastern thought thinks on the manner could likely be true, more so than western thought on the issue. |
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| i'm not a religious person or an atheist. since this topic is solely asking about opinion on life after death, i don't really believe there is. but i really hope it does exist. there are always illogical things in life that science and religion can't really tell apart. it's like an existence of energy. energy cannot be created or destroyed. and people can feel existence of god through their love or beliefs. life after death is an interesting thing, i just hope it exists. |
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