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Crazy concepts and hyperactive action is what makes me boost a scifi anime to a 10/10 but to each their own I suppose.

Hey!

Thank you for accepting my friend request. I did a Monster manga review in part based on your opinion, so please I would invite you to read as soon as you got the chance. I share a similar opinion w/ you regarding Johan and Tenma.

It looks like you have Goodnight Punpun in your fav manga.. well I have a review for it as well and for me, it's far to be in the favs. I would also like to debate that mnanga with you, if you don't mind.

Thank you once again :)

In reference to the comment below, you can also access Mujina for free on the VIZ official site though you have to make an account to do so ^_^

You're welcome!

Hello! I finally got an update on the Mujina Into The Deep English translations on the DeDeDeDe discord, they're being released on mangapill currently, not the best site in my opinion but it's what we have to work with for now

I read it in Brazilian Portuguese since the translation hasn't been released in mangadex. I'm pretty sure that you can find the English translation in VIZ but since it hasn't been licensed in most countries you'd have to use a VPN

thank you .

bro i am also joining kiit.can you give my little insights about its placement and hostel life.

Ohh toh tui ki bengali naki?

Tu Indian hai na? Kaha se hai?

I don't think pretentious PPL like Fairy Tail, Naruto, Magi, etc.
And I don't really like Fooly Cooly, mind game, angel's egg and all those stuff

I rate ur profile a pretentious/10

Yeah, I don't think it's a detailed motivation or whatever, but it's not "I hate humans because they're food". It functions well and is therefore "strong" in my eyes.

Also, sorry that I ramble on a lot lol. I was doing double takes over these scenes, so I had to lay my reasoning out for my own sake.

And yeah I get it. The middle part of Chimera Ant was particularly bad. I don't think there's any blatant filler (even Palm's connection with Gon and Killua had to be established for more crucial parts later on in the arc), but it's a rough ride at times.

I've dug myself a hole here. I've misinterpreted what Meruem has said. When he says he will guide humanity, it isn't out of concern. He isn't thinking about how fairly humans are being treated. He's thinking about efficiency, but mostly, he's confused as to why Diego is a leader. He thinks NGL, and by extension, humanity needs to be restarted under his rule.

Basically, you're right, Meruem was not concerned about fairness until after Komugi...

> All I'd like is a strong reason for the hatred so that when Komugi comes in and that reason gets undermined, it would be thematically powerful. Viewing humans as food isn't a strong reason for hatred. Viewing society as inherently flawed and believing humans need to be replaced would be. Like I said above, it's not clear to me what exactly is his initial motivation or goal for world domination.

... However, pre-Komugi, Meruem still sees "society as inherently flawed" and does believe that "humans need to be replaced".

When Meruem was born, his immediate motivation was hunger, and his immediate goal was to get food. He ate a chimera ant. Shortly after, his motivation was finding tastier food, so his goal became finding humans to eat and eventually he craved the taste of Nen users. When he eats Diego's guards, that is the taste he was looking for; he achieved one of his immediate, pre-programmed goals. This makes sense within the bounds of how chimera ants work. If Meruem had political opinions or beliefs about humanity right out of the womb, it wouldn't make sense. Even for the chimera ants that do receive memories of their human counterparts -- that takes a while to start.

Yes, this isn't a complex motivation and I understand why Meruem isn't interesting at this stage. But Meruem doesn't hate humans because they're sources of food. He's indifferent towards them. He doesn't hate humans for their powerlessness, he's irritated by their systems of government because they don't make logical sense.

I feel like I have a different understanding of "initial motivation". To me, it's set up when he reaches the palace and starts playing board games. Komugi enters and Meruem begins being undermined. Meruem has met Diego while his "initial motivation" was being built, and he therefore views society as "inherently flawed" and believes that "humans need to be replaced". On the former, he believes incompetents shouldn't rule. On the latter, power=value, humans are therefore not valuable, and therefore they can be replaced/eaten. But importantly, he believes they shouldn't be valued. THAT is the interesting part. Yes, his viewing humans as worthless and their systems illogical act as justification to eat them. But this scene with Diego allows me to dig into something more specific; humans' worthlessness and illogical systems act as justification to usher in his rule that would see them eaten and turned into soldiers.

Because I think I'm kinda splitting hairs here, I'll outline my points:

- Meruem doesn't hate humans when he is born. Togashi doesn't try to say that he hates humans because he sees them as food sources.

- The scene with Diego is crucial to Meruem's arc because Togashi is attacking Meruem's valuation of humans and their societies. He isn't attacking his viewing of them as walking pieces of meat because "I aM cHiMeRa AnT kInG".

- I shouldn't have said that Meruem was concerned about the fairness of NGL's systems when he met Diego. My bad.

- I thought you were asking for Meruem's valuation of humans as "weak/inefficient/hypocritical=no value" to be pre-programmed because you weren't satisfied by the fact that he first prescribes those values to them at the palace.

> I think the point of contention here is whether or not the unfair nature of human society motivated Meruem to conquer the world. And I would say it didn't. He would have sought to establish his rule either way. Before he met Komugi, all he thought of humans was that they were weak and his unparalleled strength gave him the absolute right to rule over the world. His hate for the unfair nature of society came quite sometime later.

It's likely that Meruem would've conquered humanity regardless of their begging for their lives or the system of government he was exposed to. But I can't be sure. If he was born in a country governed by warrior culture logic, he would've (at least) seen the logic in that leader's selection given their superior strength to their subordinates. He probably wouldn't have spared them, though.

When Meruem is born, he is not motivated to conquer the world because the NGL is corrupt, no. His purpose is to take over the world, yes. However, two episodes after his birth, and before he met Komugi, he says this:

Meruem: Why does that scum [Diego] claim to be king?
Pouf: In the human world, it is a common phenomenon. Humans without intelligence or talent end up in positions of power due to bloodline or connections.
Meruem: That defies all logic. In the hands of an incompetent, power brings nothing but ruin. This could only be the work of imbeciles. We must provide proper guidance.

And just afterwards:

Dancer: Please! Spare our lives. We beg you...
Meruem: [Laughs] These humans are idiots. Think as hard as those weak brains of yours can manage. Have you ever spared a pig or a cow as it begged for its life?

This is not Meruem's first impression of humans. Even before this, he understands that there are stronger and weaker humans, a contrast he notes because Nen users are more desirable food sources. However, this is Meruem's first impression of human society. Remember, Meruem does not and never wanted to destroy the world, he wants to rule it. He is the king. For the short period after his birth, his character is still being established: a desire to take over the world, a resentment of the current systems, he values power ("Incidentally, Pitou. You are quite strong. I was trying to kill you. You have earned my respect."), and desires to be the best in varying fields of power (playing the shogi master, etc.).

Before Komugi, he doesn't have the capacity to sympathise with humans because he views them as livestock. Even when playing Komugi, it's not as if he's beaten once then he sympathises with humans. He first has to see the value in humans beyond them just being sources of food.

The unfair NGL government (what he believes to be humanity as a whole) is making him want to "provide proper guidance". Komugi did not start that thought process, seeing Diego and his position did. Honestly, I think this "proper guidance" line counters your claim that he hated the unfair nature of society after meeting Komugi. Meruem explicitly states that he wants to guide humans properly, meaning that the humans' current systems are inferior. Now, humans don't align with what he deems to be valuable. Diego is fat, weak, and doesn't have Nen (unlike his bodyguards, who Meruem kills prior to meeting him). He also sees humans as hypocritical. They expect to be spared upon begging for their lives, and yet, Meruem points to their merciless killing of livestock.

This is Meruem not seeing the practicality of human beings. Sympathy for the weak came later.

My opening criticism of your point was that I couldn't understand why Meruem's destain for human society has to be pre-programmed. That two-episode difference seems makes it bad (?). Meruem sees human society as "inherently flawed". He also sees humans as hypocritical. Komugi still performs nearly the exact function you're asking for. The only differences are that Meruem starts hating human society two episodes after he's born and he doesn't ultimately focus on wanting to make a better society for humans because of the poison (though, beforehand he was saying that his kingdom was being made to benefit humans).

Basically, I don't see why Meruem hating humans two episodes earlier is better.