Anime dominating Western Cinema

its not like back in the day when they made christian movies for the whole family.

its not like back in the day when they made christian movies for the whole family.

Most big movies in the west nowadays are dei gov funded propaganda pieces so I expect the anime scene to continue to grow especially with media actually allowed to cater to men.

@Whiteingale Lifetime and Hallmark thrive on conservative movies. Especially during the holidays.

Most big movies in the west nowadays are dei gov funded propaganda pieces so I expect the anime scene to continue to grow especially with media actually allowed to cater to men.

@rohan121 Dune..., Oppenheimer, Top Gun Maverick, Robert Pattison Batman, Mission Impossible The Final Reckoning, The Sonic Films, Puss in Boots Last Wish, Deadpool and Wolverine..... Brad Pitt just made a film about racing F1 that did well, I mean a lot of these are some of the most profitable films out there, and they are pretty universal or aimed at men. I mean even if you want to get away from big franchises, films I have seen like Tenet again are aimed at men. I am hardly a prolific film watcher either, so probably a lot more out there.

Just because Disney fucked up SW (and they made a good series in Andor, which features a male MC), and there are bad Marvel films, doesn't mean the world is over for men in the West lol, especially when you talk about Western entertainment that isn't extremely mainstream. You guys need to listen to less culture war grifters, who can't get over the same handful of franchises not being good anymore.

@BilboBaggins365 And then it also depends on what race the men are as well. Chhaava was a good Indian movie. Action packed with a romantic subplot. Cross, Evil, Sinners, and Supercell are great shows/movies for black men.

Also, Fallout was a good tv series for white guys. Lincoln Lawyer is good rep for Hispanic people, and the guy is light enough to appeal to white people. I'm not even the best at keeping up with things that appeal to white guys, or guys in general. I vastly prefer female protagonists and things aimed at women, especially diverse series. Even then, I know of these series. So I know for a fact that if they actively tried to look for them, they would find them. They just have no interest in them.

@LuxuriousHeart Well I mean if you want to go there, I just find it kinda weird/funny, that you have some white culture war grifters, telling me that the media that represents me best is the Japanese isekai fantasy series, about some loser Japanese NEET, getting to go to some Western European setting, where he then has a harem of usually white coded women for his amusement lol. Very pro white masculinity there. Anyway, normally don't care, though again, especially when you get outside of mainstream entertainment there is a lot of choice, like the book I am reading. These people want to say miserable, or want some weird tribalistic war rather than seeking out media that actually could make them happy. Some of us are over 2017, and are just looking for good media.

It's fine if you prefer or like anime more. IDK maybe people assume that I think it's dumb to like anime more, when in reality I don't mind if you do. Six/seven years ago, anime/manga was undeniably the medium giving me the most entertainment, and it was my favourite media hobby. Today that has balanced out a lot more with reading (my main focus right now), and getting back into gaming; however, of course anime has a lot of positives. Just don't make dumb fuck arguments, about media you barely interact with, is all I am asking. It's like going on IDMB and seeing people accusing anime of only just being brain dead battle shonen. I mean I have seen narratives like that, from a certain gaming youtuber I don't like, who only thinks Ghilbi is worth watching in this medium, and yeah that is dumb and these opinions on here are dumb.

If you don't give a care about Top Gun, okay lol. I mean Maverick was fun, however, you can't with a straight face say Hollywood doesn't make male targeted films when that was one of their highest grossing films in recent memory. They do make those films, and they usually do well. Hey I mean, in the Sci Fi World, Ryan Gosling, the everyman white guy, is doing another sci fi film in Project Hail Mary. I have seen that book promoted a lot. John Cena is doing an action film, I got my 40k Cavil series I am holding out on, Matt Damon is doing that Odyssey adaption, Chis Pratt is still doing those Mario films (which didn't undermine Mario which people made it out to be), still making more Fast and Furious films....huh they are also going to adapt A Magician's Nephew....interesting (one of the few Narnia books I have read). That's a lot of variety for big Hollywood films (ignoring all the smaller works you could watch).

Though yeah, these narratives really are just coming from two sources, people who can't get over TLJ from SW, and some bad low budget Marvel films, adapting bad comics. That is pretty much it lol.

I don't look at any movies or anime as being "for white guys" or "for black guys" or "for trans" as if subdividing all of humanity into different groups, and only seeing people as white, black, male, wommxn etc.. Nothing is "made for" exclusive groups, and nobody who thinks they resemble characters in a show have a right to claim it as theirs. That's where all the problems began. I am so tired of hearing people claim that they are uniquely disenfranchised blah blah blah... if you live in a wealthy western country NO YOU ARE NOT so shutthefuckup.

i tried to watch american tv shows bo many times

but its so gay like i dont know i am bad at finding good ones

and when you think of anime its very unlikely to be liberal
but if you keep a random 2025 show its high chance you will get something political and waste your time its like being smashed in the hammer for rolling wrong dice

but with manga or anime especially if just pirated its easy access + no regret you dont expect anything from japan but shit. so it is surprirsing when they actually deliver it. thats why it creates illusion of genius in my mind from time...

@rohan121 Y'all say this all the time, but it isn't true. Oppenheimer was released at the same time as Barbie. Oppenheimer was a WW2 movie with a white male main character. Instead of enjoying that movie, alt-right grifters lined up to see Barbie to prove it was woke. Then backtracked when it earned over a billion dollars...

@Whiteingale I learned the hard way to only watch movies before like 2010 or based on reliable recommendations.
It's really nice that there are 4k HDR bluray releases of classic movies.

@JaniSIr unfortunately they're making more and more "4K remasters" of classic movies that are just AI upscales and look like complete dogshit

@LuxuriousHeart Barbie is a weird movie, because I heard arguments for it being woke and not, both from conservatives.

You know, I expected a lot worse, but they also changed so many little things that I can't approve it wholeheartedly.
Like I get that not everything will work in a film format from that book, but Chani was supposed to trauma bond with Paul after they both lost their father, except Chani didn't have a dad in the movie, and just became a tsundere... They also entirely deleted Ayra, who was my favourite character in the whole series. They also left out all the lingo of the book.

@LuxuriousHeart Barbie is a weird movie, because I heard arguments for it being woke and not, both from conservatives.

You know, I expected a lot worse, but they also changed so many little things that I can't approve it wholeheartedly.
Like I get that not everything will work in a film format from that book, but Chani was supposed to trauma bond with Paul after they both lost their father, except Chani didn't have a dad in the movie, and just became a tsundere... They also entirely deleted Ayra, who was my favourite character in the whole series. They also left out all the lingo of the book.

@JaniSIr Barbie is woke. However, conservatives backtracked when it made over a billion dollars, which goes against their "go woke, get broke" slogan.

@LuxuriousHeart That usually still works.... Barbie didn't make the mistake of desecrating the source material in an obvious manner in the trailer.

@JaniSIr It really doesn't. Only terminally online people care in the end, and most people can't even define what "woke" is. Because if woke is just having prominent female characters, characters of different races, or LGBT characters, I can name plenty of works that have absolutely done well while having those aspects. Sure bad writing is bad writing, true of "right wing oriented fiction or left", however, that is a writing issue, rather than an identity or political issue.

I am hardly a progressive either; however, it just seems like cope, that everyone assumes that the majority agrees with them on media, and as a result their worldview, of course, will win out. That isn't the case.

@BilboBaggins365 Why is that such a common retort? lol
"Did you know you don't actually know what you are talking about?"
Like seriously, where does this come from...

@BilboBaggins365 Can you please give an source to what anime is political. It seems you treat anime as a genre of animation not a medium. There is something for everyone within anime/Japanese written sources. If you don't like adventure, try historical, if not try slice of life, if not try comedy so and so forth. Anime in US may not be as popular as disney movies since anime in us became more popular late 90s/early 20s, but anime outside US was already very big for example in large part of Europe and also Asia. For example anime/manga scene is way bigger in france and italy than the US and they are just two countries I have mentioned.

@LuxuriousHeart That usually still works.... Barbie didn't make the mistake of desecrating the source material in an obvious manner in the trailer.

Although they write good stories and ideas that could be beautiful, they turn them into hideous stories like the latest Terminator movie. Have you seen the female superheroes and tomboys? They have become the sole heroines of the story, no machines or anyone, and they defend weak little girls. It is truly a farce. As for Korean, Indian, Turkish, and Arabic anime and series, we still see attractive heroes who love beautiful, delicate, lovable girls and respect other cultures and peoples. This is the reality that is no longer produced in the West.. They only produce their own politics and ideas. They do not care what the viewer wants. We've been through a lot of life stress in recent years, and we want to watch what we enjoy watching, not messages and suggestions with a veiled and complicated story.

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That's only true in certain parts of the world. My local small cinema still won't screen it. I have to travel to a bigger city to watch it.


Anime is the most liberal medium. When in the US they considered homosexuality a mental illness. In anime you were already able to meet sexual minorities.
That's why it was so successful, they didn't control their liberal ideas.


Not really, if anything, Hollywood started following anime in the representation.


You can't argue with people who ignore facts. Netflix has a yearly inclusion report and people can see how only 15% of the leads is black and that's the same ratio in the US population.
So they are more closer to the reality right now, but obviously if someone is racist, then he won't like it.


So you don't like Mushishi. Could you remove it from your favs? Because it's a seinen which indicates that it's for young adults.


That's true for almost every movie. It was true for Kpop Demon Hunters, where they made the argument how it's a Christian movie, because they fought demons and they also made the argument against it, because the demons were idolized.


But the original statement was about superiority and not profitability. Yes, Transformers was also more profitable than Wolf Children. Is there any aspect where Transformers actually is better than Wolf Children? No, obviously not.

US is still in a unique position where they heavily export and dominate western culture, but it's not about quality, at least not anymore. The reason why anime is able to compete with Hollywood to some extent or at least it's comparable now is because quality-wise it has higher standards. Otherwise it wouldn't have happened, because an average Hollywood movie's budget is like 60 million, while an average anime budget is like 6?!
Yes, in most aspects Hollywood is still the number 1, but in the last couple years it became obvious that there are challengers to its position.