Almost 1 year since it finished airing, will Sousou no Frieren's legacy hold up? Will we look back and remember it?

Jan 16, 1:33 PM

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I certainly think Frieren is one of the best, if not the best, produced stand alone season of all time. There are a few fair contenders and I personally would put Mushoku Tensei S1 on the same level from an production standpoint, but well. Frieren will stay on top for a long time

Jan 16, 1:36 PM

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Nah, Vinland saga, ippo and AoT all have better seasons

Jan 16, 1:47 PM

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At the end of the day,it will come down to personal preference if you think this is the best anime series. Personally, I think it 100% deserves it. Using recency bias as an excuse for why it can't be has always struck me as such a dumb argument. Yes, some shows have had inflated scores due to hype, but at the same time, I think hype can be a factor in how much you like something anyway. No one was arguing against aot being a classic when it ended, even though people could say that's recency bias too. Plus, it never sat well with me that full metal was considered the top. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed full metal, and I think it's a great series but not something I would place as best of all time. It does everything well; characters,world building action, ect, but nothing amazing . Personally, I prefer to watch a show that does something amazingly and has flaws.

Jan 16, 2:00 PM

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DiomarBrasindo said:
Nah, Vinland saga, ippo and AoT all have better seasons

I love Vinland Saga but the production isn’t the greatest compared to shows like Frieren, mushoku tensei and Dandadan.
same goes for AoT
Ippo is irrelevant here, don’t see why you’d bring up an anime from the year 2000 lol

Jan 16, 2:28 PM

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DanySann said:

DiomarBrasindo said:
Nah, Vinland saga, ippo and AoT all have better seasons

I love Vinland Saga but the production isn’t the greatest compared to shows like Frieren, mushoku tensei and Dandadan.
same goes for AoT
Ippo is irrelevant here, don’t see why you’d bring up an anime from the year 2000 lol

best season of anime EVER....

Jan 16, 2:30 PM

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It's a perfect adaption with outstanding animation (both action wise and the overall aesthetic), great soundtrack and improved direction compared to the manga.

If you're into the medieval fantasy genre, this might be the best anime for you.

Personally, I wouldn't consider season 1 of Frieren in my top 10 anime seasons. People are quick to jump to conclusions once someone criticises Frierens pacing, but to me, it's a valid criticism. About a fourth of this season (in total) was mildly boring in my opinion.

Jan 16, 2:45 PM

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Again, it's just your opinion. If you consider it's the best , it probably means you don't watch that many animes. I know it's my own biased opinion. I think Frieren has good visuals and a nice soundtrack, but that's just it. Characters and story for was something I didn't care for and found lacking.

Jan 16, 3:23 PM

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on EVERYBODYS soul Frieren is objectively the best anime ever created 💯🤝🏻

Jan 16, 3:25 PM

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Didn't we already have multiple threads like this one before?

Jan 16, 3:31 PM

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The production was pretty good, definitely not anything too special though, still a lot of things I'd put above it. The characters were just super annoying and I didn't end up liking any of them much at all, same thing with the fights really.

Frieren is an anime that tries to appeal to a very large amount of people while being very palatable and consumable so it gets a lot of hype.

Jan 16, 3:31 PM

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yeah imo deserves #1 on mal especially over fmab

Jan 16, 3:40 PM

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Kitsune_089 said:
yeah imo deserves #1 on mal especially over fmab

100%. FMAB is good, BUT there's much better out there

Jan 16, 3:48 PM

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DanySann said:

DiomarBrasindo said:
Nah, Vinland saga, ippo and AoT all have better seasons

I love Vinland Saga but the production isn’t the greatest compared to shows like Frieren, mushoku tensei and Dandadan.
same goes for AoT
Ippo is irrelevant here, don’t see why you’d bring up an anime from the year 2000 lol

That doesn’t really matter, Vinland saga and AoT were made well enough and the story and characters were by far better than anything in frieren, MT and dandadan s1

And it said “ever”, not recent
All 3 seasons of ippo are better than frieren, MT and dandadan as well

Jan 16, 4:12 PM

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Retarded thread.

People who like Frieren enough will say yes, people who don't, will say no. It's just that simple, yet these types of threads continue to pop up.

Jan 16, 4:26 PM

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Retarded thread.

People who like Frieren enough will say yes, people who don't, will say no. It's just that simple, yet these types of threads continue to pop up.

@Cielord My intention was just to bring up a topic I'm genuinely interested in. I'm not looking for people to just say: "Yes, it's the best anime ever" or "No, it's not", but for them to give their insights on what might make this series good or special and why they might think it isn't that great or doesn't deserve to be regarded as such, as well as bring up comparisons that could also be of interest. If you don't find this kind of threads interesting then ignore them instead of posting a comment that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and calling it 'retarded' doesn't add anything either. Personally, I'm reading people's opinion and I'm finding them interesting, if you don't, that's fine. Clearly this thread wasn't meant for you then. :D

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Jan 16, 4:47 PM

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Pabloskii_ said:
@Cielord My intention was just to bring up a topic I'm genuinely interested in. I'm not looking for people to just say: "Yes, it's the best anime ever" or "No, it's not", but for them to give their insights on what might make this series good or special and why they might think it isn't that great or doesn't deserve to be regarded as such, as well as bring up comparisons that could also be of interest. If you don't find this kind of threads interesting then ignore them instead of posting a comment that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and calling it 'retarded' doesn't add anything either. Personally, I'm reading people's opinion and I'm finding them interesting, if you don't, that's fine. Clearly this thread wasn't mean for you then. :D

So you open a thread to find something reviews can give you. LMAO.

Jan 16, 4:49 PM

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No. It’s heavily SOL, nothing wrong with that I enjoy SOL anime, but nothing is happening in 75% of the show.

Nothing wrong with watching characters you like do mundane things but to say that a season of that is the best anime season ever is a bit of a stretch.

Jan 16, 5:04 PM

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Cielord said:

Pabloskii_ said:
@Cielord My intention was just to bring up a topic I'm genuinely interested in. I'm not looking for people to just say: "Yes, it's the best anime ever" or "No, it's not", but for them to give their insights on what might make this series good or special and why they might think it isn't that great or doesn't deserve to be regarded as such, as well as bring up comparisons that could also be of interest. If you don't find this kind of threads interesting then ignore them instead of posting a comment that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and calling it 'retarded' doesn't add anything either. Personally, I'm reading people's opinion and I'm finding them interesting, if you don't, that's fine. Clearly this thread wasn't mean for you then. :D

So you open a thread to find something reviews can give you. LMAO.

I think I stated the topic for it to be specific enough so that it can be interesting to discuss it on a thread like this. People can give their opinion while others can comment on that and add their own points of view as well, that's what a thread is about. Reviews don't have that kind of retroalimentation I am looking for (I guess you can comment on them, but they are usually one-sided. Otherwise, it just counts as a discussion, too). Again, if you don't think this post is interesting just pay it no mind. Opening a thread to try to expand on a topic that you think might have been discussed before shouldn't be seen as something negative either, it just adds to the discussion. I think I made my point.

Jan 16, 5:49 PM

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Is it a pretty good Show?

-Yes.

Was there never a time when Anime was better or is this as eternally Number one as you make it out to be?

-No. Hundreds and hundreds of weebs thought that about some other Show, before Frieren, same as they will do sometime after Frieren. You just happen to like this one very much. Cause you're watching Anime right now... Yes, that's Recency bias^^

You're like a Renaissance guy, from the past, stating that mankind will not evolve any further cause everything has been invented already ^^
There will ALWAYS be a new, hot thing. And there will be a time when Frieren won't be leading the Anime Charts.

That's just the way time moves on, you know. There is no GOAT of Anime. Let's see if it can maintain number 1, same as FMAB has - for 15 years. Then we can talk about a legendary Anime. Right now, tho? It's just a pretty good Show that exploded into mainstream fame.

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Jan 16, 6:22 PM

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Yall are really obsessed with this ranking the best nonsense huh?

Jan 16, 6:28 PM

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Yes, its the best anime ever (for now) since its what the majority voted/rated. its not just in MAL, majority of anime sites like MAL has frieren at number 1.

Jan 16, 8:11 PM

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It doesn't just boil down to production values. Frieren is the whole package, that's why it is the top. While watching it, it made me feel! sadness, happiness, excitement. The writing was amazing, and the music throughout the anime was absolutely spot on. And then of course, the characters, you travel with them, you empathise with thier struggles, becuase even though its set in a fantasy world, they are struggles we experience irl. The characters are not over the top, they are grounded in their reality. Frieren is full of subtleties that give it substance. A sure fire #1. Season two will have a hard time living up to it!

Jan 16, 8:26 PM

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AOT S3P2 prolly still the best for me.
Can’t beat the climax of the decade with both the battle for shiganshina and the basement reveal.

Frieren is great though. It has a good consistent message of valuing the time you have with others. Production value is pretty damn good. Character banter is has a nice lighthearted feel to it. The fleeting nature of connections made along the journey is just great. I’m also more than invested in the main characters and their Journey by the end of season 1. Etc., etc.

But, it’s still a little bit over-directed at times. Sometimes the moment they’ve crafted in the writing just isn’t meaningful or well orchestrated enough to highlight with intense direction. And you combine something that’s even a bit underwhelming with that intense direction, which tries to convey the opposite feeling, it kind of feels a bit silly.

Jan 16, 8:57 PM

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This shit consists of two season. Bro didn't even know what he was talking about

JayTCU said:
Yall are really obsessed with this ranking the best nonsense huh?

yeah, definitely the utterly greatest nonsense.

SgtBateManJan 16, 10:54 PM

Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp!

Jan 16, 9:40 PM

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Kingdom season 3 is the best ever IMO, but this is top 10 for suuuuuure

Jan 16, 10:05 PM

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Fmab is a complete story and the anime from the production side stayed consistent throughout its run.

Frieren’s first season is amazing but the manga is still ongoing and even though I hear good things about the story past what I’ve watched, it still has to eventually stick the landing when it ends. Another factor to consider is a lot can change with the show’s production in future seasons, if we even get another season past the second one. Hopefully all those variables can come together and give us a timeless classic.

As for ratings, I don’t need to see a score next to my favorite shows to confirm anything but a lot of people do care so I don’t dismiss them entirely.

Jan 16, 10:05 PM

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I think OP should've phrased the question in a different way, since people are already extremely tired of the "rank 1" discussion.

To answer (what I think is) the actual question of "does Frieren have staying power/will Frieren be remembered as fondly in 15 years' time?"... I'm leaning towards "no."

I actually finished this show only a few days ago. I thought it was (only) "great," but I can easily see why it gets such high praise.

However, in terms of popularity and affection... this show is an odd one. It really feels "different," which I guess works to its advantage. I don't think it's an easy show to fall in love with or get absolutely hyped for. It is very beautiful and thoughtful, but... it kind of left me cold. Definitely a far cry from something like Fullmetal Alchemist, Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer. Maybe that's just me.

I think it'll really depend on the upcoming Season 2 and how the series concludes. Timing, marketing and maintaining a presence are also very important factors. If they trip up, people can easily forget about this or even turn against it, especially with the insane pace of pop culture and social media churn these days.

Jan 16, 10:32 PM

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That question is too subjective, but to me, no, that’s a reach.

If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece

Jan 16, 10:47 PM

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Best recent (like let's say 2020s) anime season for me is Vinland Saga S2 pretty easily. The amount of emotion and humanity expressed through the writing, visuals, music, voice acting, etc. is just unparalleled to me, while it's also just very captivating/entertaining. With that said, Frieren is also certainly up there by pretty much any metric. It would definitely be top 5 for me alongside like AoT, Sonny Boy, and idk, Kaguya-sama? Eizouken?

Jan 16, 11:11 PM

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There is no definite best anime of all time since all opinions are subjective. But If you ask me I'll probably say

YES YES YES YES

Jan 17, 12:37 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:

DanySann said:

I love Vinland Saga but the production isn’t the greatest compared to shows like Frieren, mushoku tensei and Dandadan.
same goes for AoT
Ippo is irrelevant here, don’t see why you’d bring up an anime from the year 2000 lol

That doesn’t really matter, Vinland saga and AoT were made well enough and the story and characters were by far better than anything in frieren, MT and dandadan s1

And it said “ever”, not recent
All 3 seasons of ippo are better than frieren, MT and dandadan as well

You clearly didn’t read what OP wrote
I’m not talking about the story or characters. I agree, I like Vinland Saga and AoT more than Frieren, but we’re talking about PRODUCTION and QUALITY.
Not STORY and CHARACTERS.

And OP wrote “One of the best productions we’ve seen in recent times” I’m going based off of that, not the title

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Jan 17, 1:24 AM

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DiomarBrasindo said:

DanySann said:

I love Vinland Saga but the production isn’t the greatest compared to shows like Frieren, mushoku tensei and Dandadan.
same goes for AoT
Ippo is irrelevant here, don’t see why you’d bring up an anime from the year 2000 lol

That doesn’t really matter, Vinland saga and AoT were made well enough and the story and characters were by far better than anything in frieren, MT and dandadan s1

And it said “ever”, not recent
All 3 seasons of ippo are better than frieren, MT and dandadan as well

Lol. Mushoku Tensei has A LOT BETTER characters than AOT and Vinland Saga is highly debatable

Jan 17, 2:35 AM

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I think OP should've phrased the question in a different way, since people are already extremely tired of the "rank 1" discussion.

To answer (what I think is) the actual question of "does Frieren have staying power/will Frieren be remembered as fondly in 15 years' time?"... I'm leaning towards "no."

I actually finished this show only a few days ago. I thought it was (only) "great," but I can easily see why it gets such high praise.

However, in terms of popularity and affection... this show is an odd one. It really feels "different," which I guess works to its advantage. I don't think it's an easy show to fall in love with or get absolutely hyped for. It is very beautiful and thoughtful, but... it kind of left me cold. Definitely a far cry from something like Fullmetal Alchemist, Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer. Maybe that's just me.

I think it'll really depend on the upcoming Season 2 and how the series concludes. Timing, marketing and maintaining a presence are also very important factors. If they trip up, people can easily forget about this or even turn against it, especially with the insane pace of pop culture and social media churn these days.

@perseii Thank you for your answer, I think you're the only one who really understood the approach I was looking for, since I'm aware the "rank 1" question is something that's been discussed over and over already. I just stated that to make a point as to why maybe it can be discussed whether Frieren may hold up in the future and be regarded as something special when people look back and remember it, but I think I shouldn't have since people are being mislead by it and think I was just looking for them to say whether they think Frieren deserves first place or not. I don't mind people answering to that too, but what I mainly wanted was for them to say if they think Frieren's legacy will hold up in the future, as other shows' like AOT, FMAB, Evangelion did.

Also, some people ranting about me making ranking something important haven't read the postscript, where I state I'm not giving ranking importance in this discussion and was just only mentioning it as an odd case given FMAB was taken out from first place, which doesn't actually mean anything but serves to me as a starting point to develop the question futher: "Is Frieren truly something special? Will it have the power to keep people looking back to the past in a few years and say: "This is what we had back in the day, isn't it beautiful?"".

Sorry if my statement of the question was wrong, maybe that title should have captured better what I was loooking for so I think I'm gonna edit it. Thank you for seeing through it and posting such an interesting opinion! :D

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Jan 17, 3:57 AM

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DanySann said:

DiomarBrasindo said:

That doesn’t really matter, Vinland saga and AoT were made well enough and the story and characters were by far better than anything in frieren, MT and dandadan s1

And it said “ever”, not recent
All 3 seasons of ippo are better than frieren, MT and dandadan as well

You clearly didn’t read what OP wrote
I’m not talking about the story or characters. I agree, I like Vinland Saga and AoT more than Frieren, but we’re talking about PRODUCTION and QUALITY.
Not STORY and CHARACTERS.

And OP wrote “One of the best productions we’ve seen in recent times” I’m going based off of that, not the title

Then we’re going off by different things

Jan 17, 3:58 AM

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AshTheChamp said:

DiomarBrasindo said:

That doesn’t really matter, Vinland saga and AoT were made well enough and the story and characters were by far better than anything in frieren, MT and dandadan s1

And it said “ever”, not recent
All 3 seasons of ippo are better than frieren, MT and dandadan as well

Lol. Mushoku Tensei has A LOT BETTER characters than AOT and Vinland Saga is highly debatable

No not really, nothing in the MT seasons so far had anything better than AoT or Vinland saga

Jan 17, 6:33 AM

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I still think about it every day

Jan 17, 6:37 AM

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If anything, and if we're to trust the word of manga readers, season 2 should write on stone its trascendence as a household name within the community.

Jan 17, 6:57 AM

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I certainly will. Since beginning my voyage into anime there are a few series that have caught me off guard as Frieren has.

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DiomarBrasindo said:

DanySann said:

You clearly didn’t read what OP wrote
I’m not talking about the story or characters. I agree, I like Vinland Saga and AoT more than Frieren, but we’re talking about PRODUCTION and QUALITY.
Not STORY and CHARACTERS.

And OP wrote “One of the best productions we’ve seen in recent times” I’m going based off of that, not the title

Then we’re going off by different things

Seems so, thanks for the chat 🤝

Jan 17, 8:04 AM

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Oh great here we have the attention seeking stupid Frieren thread number 10245

And unlike the animes you are comparing Frieren to Frieren does not even have an ending, hell it's not even half of the story, yet so it'a way too early to announce it some "timeless classic" based on MUHFEELINGS.

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Jan 17, 8:15 AM

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There are some amazing masterpiece series out there....
... Frieren has "something" no other can quite match.. but I could not tell you what exactly.
Maybe it's simply the producers, studio and everyone envolved was just 100% committed to making this The Best. And Madhouse wanted to blow MAPPA and all the rest away by showing what they were capable of creating by saying "look upon our quality and weep".
And it worked.

Jan 17, 8:49 AM

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Personally I won't, I'll be honest and say it didn't really interest me and I feel at least some of the reason it succeeded (not the entire but some of it) is that anime is lacking in the high fantasy department so finally having a good one felt great for people who justifiably craved a good fantasy, if anime will continue with having good fantasy Frieren might be remembered but not held up as much as it is

Jan 17, 9:48 AM

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I enjoyed Frieren, but I’d say Attack on Titan and Vinland Saga are on the same level in terms of quality. As for Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, I’d rate it an 8.5 at best. It’s one of those older anime that gets labeled a "masterpiece," which seems to create a bandwagon effect, compelling new viewers to rate it higher than it might deserve.

Jan 17, 11:03 AM

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Have a look at this if you don’t speak Japanese but want more understanding of this great show

https://youtu.be/j8hlouCc6CE?si=u766n7j2i_2F-vor

Jan 17, 1:34 PM

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ppl will remember frieren, i know exactly cuz most of them are normie with lame taste

Jan 17, 4:47 PM

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I guess you could compare frieren to monogatari in my opinion. In terms of legacy of course.

What I mean is that, even if I liked it a lot, even if plenty of people liked it a lot, I don't think it had the culturarl impact that is needed for it to cement a legacy per say. At least not what I consider a legacy, like AOT or Evangelion, wich are animes that everyone knows. If I said I watch AOT even someone who is not that into anime would know. Probably the same for Evangelion. Naruto, Dragon Ball, One Piece, Inazuma Eleven, Pokemon, Yugioh, Captain Tsubasa, Doraemon... Those are actual legacies. Not because they are good (even though they are), but because they left a BIG mark in the generation that saw them, big enought that it could be passed down to the next.

At least, as of now, I think Frieren's legacy is a bit like monogatari. It's huge inside the niche that is the anime community, the fantasy anime community. It still has to carve its mark outside of it. Still, I believe it has potential to actually arrive to that point. Rome wasn't built in a day after all.

Frieren is still the big 3 of fantasy anime though.

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score decay over time is a rule of thumb around here on myanimelist like look at how the lower the score of fullmetal alchemist brotherhood is now compared to a decade ago

Jan 17, 5:21 PM

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Frieren has no "legacy". It's mid entertainment that passed an online 'tipping point' that when people saw it going into the top 10, logged a bunch of fake accounts to push it to #1.
If they could have pushed it to 9.98 they would have. It is already being forgotten by an anime fanbase that forgets anything more than 2 days out of season.

The second season will revive it, but only because it will be CURRENT again. Another "Let's see if we can vote it to 10.00 so it rules MAL forever!" rating spree will also happen, as soon as ratings are allowed. Based on this logic, I should automatically give it a 1, since everyone else is lying why not? And by doing that, I'll personally prevent it from obtaining a perfect score.

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are people seriously putting trash like mushoku tenshit on the same league as fricking frieren? yikes!

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