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1. This is not even tagged romance.
2. You understand that so many other shounen are tagged romance and succeeded. Notable example is Horimiya.

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Shonen already has peak romance like nisekoi and quintuplets.

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Bruh clearly this person means, action type shows as majority of those don’t delve much into romance. Why yall mentioning quintuplets and horimiya. Come on yall let’s not pretend we didn’t understand the question. Dandadan is one of a small few heavy action type animes that also delve hard into romance and clearly it works which was the point of the post.

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Bruh clearly this person means, action type shows as majority of those don’t delve much into romance. Why yall mentioning quintuplets and horimiya. Come on yall let’s not pretend we didn’t understand the question. Dandadan is one of a small few heavy action type animes that also delve hard into romance and clearly it works which was the point of the post.

@Bailey_Swag i mentioned ranma its a battle shonen romance

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@Bailey_Swag i mentioned ranma its a battle shonen romance

Yeah sorry I didn’t mean you. You’re the only one who actually understood the topic

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@Bailey_Swag i mentioned ranma its a battle shonen romance

Yeah sorry I didn’t mean you. You’re the only one who actually understood the topic

@Bailey_Swag ah ok understood i thought you mean all the replies so far

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Shōnen with romance? Did you intend to write battle shōnen with romance? Because there are a lot of good/peak shōnen animanga with good romance.

Nov 11, 9:29 PM

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It's not a Romance Anime and I don't feel like it's a "major plot point"

But...
Maybe it's proof that Romance and Shonen could be mixed better, in many other instances...sure^^

Nov 11, 9:29 PM

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Romance actually feels forced here lol. Their chemistry feels more like best friends type.

Nov 11, 9:41 PM

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there are some shounen with romance already

plz watch more than the current popular thing

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I wish there were more good battle shounen series available. I believe that adding romance, when done well, can enhance a story. I wouldn’t have minded if some major shounen series developed romantic subplots from the start. For example, a relationship between Luffy and Nami could have begun after the Arlong Park arc, as Luffy’s actions there provided a strong basis for starting a romance plot. However, considering what we now know about Luffy’s personality and Oda’s vision of Luffy pursuing true freedom, it wouldn’t have fit at all. I understand why Oda chose not to include romantic elements, as it would conflict with Luffy’s character and his quest for unrestricted freedom.

Sorry don’t know how this turned into a one piece rant

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Bruh clearly this person means, action type shows as majority of those don’t delve much into romance. Why yall mentioning quintuplets and horimiya. Come on yall let’s not pretend we didn’t understand the question. Dandadan is one of a small few heavy action type animes that also delve hard into romance and clearly it works which was the point of the post.

@Bailey_Swag Clearly, this person should've specified.

In general, this post isn't phrased well.

Nov 12, 12:23 AM

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Is Dandadan all y’all’s second anime or something?

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OvergrownRover said:
Is Dandadan all y’all’s second anime or something?

Can you share some action/battle shounen with good developed romance as a major focus that was highly talked about during its release?

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theres literally 2 good shounen romance anime airing rn 😑

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Mr_Sai said:
theres literally 2 good shounen romance anime airing rn 😑

Can you please share them?

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CocoJaypee said:

Mr_Sai said:
theres literally 2 good shounen romance anime airing rn 😑

Can you please share them?

blue box and Ranma 1/2

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Mr_Sai said:

CocoJaypee said:

Can you please share them?

blue box and Ranma 1/2

I agree with Ranma, but Blue Box is not the action/battle type of shounen i was looking for

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I don’t know about that, I don’t feel like any romantic elements of the show are that integral in any way for this show’s success.

I think it’s just a great anime, with incredible production, solid characters and a fun, offbeat, frantic vibe.

But I guess it can serve as an example that those elements won’t diminish a show’s popularity to a large extent when the series is already good.

Though I don’t know if we really needed to prove that. The idea that battle shounen fans would drop a show just for that seems very foolish and the kind of soulless demographic targeting that idiot executives and editors believe in for no good reason.

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I don’t know about that, I don’t feel like any romantic elements of the show are that integral in any way for this show’s success.

I think it’s just a great anime, with incredible production, solid characters and a fun, offbeat, frantic vibe.

But I guess it can serve as an example that those elements won’t diminish a show’s popularity to a large extent when the series is already good.

Though I don’t know if we really needed to prove that. The idea that battle shounen fans would drop a show just for that seems very foolish and the kind of soulless demographic targeting that idiot executives and editors believe in for no good reason.

Well I based the demographic reasoning on Eiichiro Oda's answer on why there's no romance in One Piece, as he said that One Piece is a shounen—a manga for boys—and boys are not interested in romance at all.

I felt turned off by that answer so I'm happy that Dandadan is showing the opposite by exploring the chemistry between its two leads and developing their feelings for each other all while still being popular with the public

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I've only watched five episodes so far, and I definitely enjoyed it. Wouldn't say it's good romance exactly, but it's an interesting story so far.

Edit: the mobile app fucked me with mixing up show thumbnails. I thought we were talking about Yakuza Fiancé. lmao

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I’m like 99% sure Dandadan isn’t the first battle shonen to incorporate good romance while also being successful.

Incidentally, Fujimoto’s Chainsaw Man also has romance that ties in well with the plot, or Ranma 1/2 as someone mentioned earlier. You just gotta know where to look, I suppose.

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CocoJaypee said:
Can you share some action/battle shounen with good developed romance as a major focus that was highly talked about during its release?

Fate/Stay Night, InuYasha, Nanatsu no Taizai, Rurouni Kenshin and Shakugan no Shana were all major hits.
Mitsuru Adachi is also very well known for his Sports/Romance series too.

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Unfortunatly the romance is used as bait here since, just like other battle shounen, it never develops. Even in the manga when you think you'll finally see them becoming a couple the author throws a curve ball and they're back to square one. Just like other battle shounen the confession will probably happen in the last chapter of the manga and that will be it.

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Cielord said:
1. This is not even tagged romance.
2. You understand that so many other shounen are tagged romance and succeeded. Notable example is Horimiya.

Oh yes, Horimiya the famous BATTLE shounen. One of my favourites to be honest.

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1. This is not even tagged romance.
2. You understand that so many other shounen are tagged romance and succeeded. Notable example is Horimiya.

Oh yes, Horimiya the famous BATTLE shounen. One of my favourites to be honest.

@kyo_1 You can clearly see that OP edited his reply to specify he is talking about action shows.

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Cielord said:
@kyo_1 You can clearly see that OP edited his reply to specify he is talking about action shows.

Apologies for not specifying the type of shounen I'm referring to, but I mean, you could've put two and two together to realize that I'm referring to action shounens because dandadan is very different from horimiya

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Cielord said:
@kyo_1 You can clearly see that OP edited his reply to specify he is talking about action shows.

Apologies for not specifying the type of shounen I'm referring to, but I mean, you could've put two and two together to realize that I'm referring to action shounens because dandadan is very different from horimiya

You didn't talk about the action part being an obstacle to the romance but the demographic. So please spare me this BS.

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Cielord said:

CocoJaypee said:

Apologies for not specifying the type of shounen I'm referring to, but I mean, you could've put two and two together to realize that I'm referring to action shounens because dandadan is very different from horimiya

You didn't talk about the action part being an obstacle to the romance but the demographic. So please spare me this BS.

Well the action contributes a lot to the demographic because action shounen authors believe that since their readers are mostly comprised of boys, they put more development on the action and not the romance because they assume that boys are not interested in romance

In any case I've cleared up the misunderstanding so do you have anything else to say?

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CocoJaypee said:

Apologies for not specifying the type of shounen I'm referring to, but I mean, you could've put two and two together to realize that I'm referring to action shounens because dandadan is very different from horimiya

You didn't talk about the action part being an obstacle to the romance but the demographic. So please spare me this BS.

Well the action contributes a lot to the demographic because action shounen authors believe that since their readers are mostly comprised of boys, they put more development on the action and not the romance because they assume that boys are not interested in romance

In any case I've cleared up the misunderstanding so do you have anything else to say?

@CocoJaypee The demographic is just the demographic; what truly determines the content of the series is the genres/themes.

When it comes to action series, what makes you think that it was a matter of authors not believing their readers would want romance, instead of simply not wanting to give focus on romance? Especially with the fact that there were many successful romance shounen and romance-action shounen.

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@CocoJaypee The demographic is just the demographic; what truly determines the content of the series is the genres/themes.

When it comes to action series, what makes you think that it was a matter of authors not believing their readers would want romance, instead of simply not wanting to give focus on romance? Especially with the fact that there were many successful romance shounen and romance-action shounen.

Eiichiro Oda previously said that romance doesn't have a place in his work. His reasoning isn't because he couldn't write it, but because his manga is targeted at boys and he believes fans should read shoujo for romance.

not to generalize but I think it's safe to say that Oda isn't the only author who has this mindset

Nevertheless, not wanting to focus on romance, especially when authors give their characters a love interest, results in poor feedback

Look at Naruto. many criticize sasuke and sakura for having no chemistry and no build up to their relationship. Dont tell me that in the 700 chapters the manga has, that author couldn't bother to develop their relationship?

And can you share some examples of these romance-action shounens you are referring to that have made waves recently? Don't give me classic ones like Ranma or Inuyasha, preferrably something more recent. I would like to check them out

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@CocoJaypee The demographic is just the demographic; what truly determines the content of the series is the genres/themes.

When it comes to action series, what makes you think that it was a matter of authors not believing their readers would want romance, instead of simply not wanting to give focus on romance? Especially with the fact that there were many successful romance shounen and romance-action shounen.

Eiichiro Oda previously said that romance doesn't have a place in his work. His reasoning isn't because he couldn't write it, but because his manga is targeted at boys and he believes fans should read shoujo for romance.

not to generalize but I think it's safe to say that Oda isn't the only author who has this mindset

Nevertheless, not wanting to focus on romance, especially when authors give their characters a love interest, results in poor feedback

Look at Naruto. many criticize sasuke and sakura for having no chemistry and no build up to their relationship. Dont tell me that in the 700 chapters the manga has, that author couldn't bother to develop their relationship?

And can you share some examples of these romance-action shounens you are referring to that have made waves recently? Don't give me classic ones like Ranma or Inuyasha, preferrably something more recent. I would like to check them out

@CocoJaypee

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Eiichiro Oda previously said that romance doesn't have a place in his work. His reasoning isn't because he couldn't write it, but because his manga is targeted at boys and he believes fans should read shoujo for romance.

Eiichiro Oda is one person and this personal view. It is completely ludicrous to just assume all shounen authors share the same views.

CocoJaypee said:
Nevertheless, not wanting to focus on romance, especially when authors give their characters a love interest, results in poor feedback

Look at Naruto. many criticize sasuke and sakura for having no chemistry and no build up to their relationship. Dont tell me that in the 700 chapters the manga has, that author couldn't bother to develop their relationship?

Poor feedback (from some people online), but the success of Naruto is objective.

CocoJaypee said:
And can you share some examples of these romance-action shounens you are referring to that have made waves recently? Don't give me classic ones like Ranma or Inuyasha, preferrably something more recent. I would like to check them out

Did I specify or, in any way, implied recently? No. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want to watch/read romance-action shounen, then you can use the advanced search function.

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Cielord said:
@CocoJaypee

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Eiichiro Oda previously said that romance doesn't have a place in his work. His reasoning isn't because he couldn't write it, but because his manga is targeted at boys and he believes fans should read shoujo for romance.

Eiichiro Oda is one person and this personal view. It is completely ludicrous to just assume all shounen authors share the same views.

CocoJaypee said:
Nevertheless, not wanting to focus on romance, especially when authors give their characters a love interest, results in poor feedback

Look at Naruto. many criticize sasuke and sakura for having no chemistry and no build up to their relationship. Dont tell me that in the 700 chapters the manga has, that author couldn't bother to develop their relationship?

Poor feedback (from some people online), but the success of Naruto is objective.

CocoJaypee said:
And can you share some examples of these romance-action shounens you are referring to that have made waves recently? Don't give me classic ones like Ranma or Inuyasha, preferrably something more recent. I would like to check them out

Did I specify or, in any way, implied recently? No. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want to watch/read romance-action shounen, then you can use the advanced search function.

If Oda is just one person then why do many people criticize the shounen genre for failing to develop a good romantic plot between characters. It's because other authors commit the same mistake whether or not intentionally

Yes, I'm not denying that Naruto is successful, but it's success is largely rooted from its action scenes and not the romance. Dandadan seems to be praised for both action scenes and its romance element, hence why I'm asking whether the show proves that even if an action shounen work focuses on romance, it will not diminish its popularity from the perceived "mostly boys" demographic of the genre

Lastly, why can't you give me any action romance shounen that are successful recently? you're the one being adamant about the "fact" that there are "many successful" romance action shows, so suggest me one that's recent. is it because there are none? is your knowledge only limited to the classics?

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Romance actually feels forced here lol. Their chemistry feels more like best friends type.

best friends can't feel attracted to each other? 😂 the reasoning is so blatant, she's the first girl he ever talked to. and he imitates her ideal man. Also at this point the anime haven't delved into Romance yet

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@CocoJaypee

CocoJaypee said:
Eiichiro Oda previously said that romance doesn't have a place in his work. His reasoning isn't because he couldn't write it, but because his manga is targeted at boys and he believes fans should read shoujo for romance.

Eiichiro Oda is one person and this personal view. It is completely ludicrous to just assume all shounen authors share the same views.

CocoJaypee said:
Nevertheless, not wanting to focus on romance, especially when authors give their characters a love interest, results in poor feedback

Look at Naruto. many criticize sasuke and sakura for having no chemistry and no build up to their relationship. Dont tell me that in the 700 chapters the manga has, that author couldn't bother to develop their relationship?

Poor feedback (from some people online), but the success of Naruto is objective.

CocoJaypee said:
And can you share some examples of these romance-action shounens you are referring to that have made waves recently? Don't give me classic ones like Ranma or Inuyasha, preferrably something more recent. I would like to check them out

Did I specify or, in any way, implied recently? No. Don't put words in my mouth. If you want to watch/read romance-action shounen, then you can use the advanced search function.

If Oda is just one person then why do many people criticize the shounen genre for failing to develop a good romantic plot between characters. It's because other authors commit the same mistake whether or not intentionally

Yes, I'm not denying that Naruto is successful, but it's success is largely rooted from its action scenes and not the romance. Dandadan seems to be praised for both action scenes and its romance element, hence why I'm asking whether the show proves that even if an action shounen work focuses on romance, it will not diminish its popularity from the perceived "mostly boys" demographic of the genre

Lastly, why can't you give me any action romance shounen that are successful recently? you're the one being adamant about the "fact" that there are "many successful" romance action shows, so suggest me one that's recent. is it because there are none? is your knowledge only limited to the classics?

@CocoJaypee

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If Oda is just one person then why do many people criticize the shounen genre for failing to develop a good romantic plot between characters. It's because other authors commit the same mistake whether or not intentionally

Shounen isn't a genre. People criticize what they believe to be bad and praise while they believe to be good, and I assure you, some people criticized one shounen for the romance and some praised another shounen for the romance.

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Yes, I'm not denying that Naruto is successful, but it's success is largely rooted from its action scenes and not the romance.

It really doesn't matter that Naruto isn't popular because of the romance, because (be shocked) Naruto isn't a romance. An ecchi series won't be successful because of its adventure.

CocoJaypee said:
Dandadan seems to be praised for both action scenes and its romance element, hence why I'm asking whether the show proves that even if an action shounen work focuses on romance, it will not diminish its popularity from the perceived "mostly boys" demographic of the genre

People have already given you numerous examples of action-romance shounen that are very successful.

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Lastly, why can't you give me any action romance shounen that are successful recently? all you have to do is type the titles. is it because there are none? are you only sticking to the classics?

I made a claim that there were plenty of successful action-romance shounen, I didn't specify if those were old or newer series.

I will reiterate: People already given you examples of what you asked, at this point the conversation should be over.

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CocoJaypee said:
A lot of action/battle shounen works don't really develop the romance between their characters because of "demographic," with authors saying that the readers which largely consists of boys are not interested with a romance subplot

Authors that do include them don't really do a good job of developing it (Naruto, Dragon Ball, Hero Academia) But with Dandadan, it seems that the show still retains its popularity despite romance being a major plot point.

There’s more out there that aren’t popular but they exist, like Call of The Night or The Case Study of Vanitas. Even CSM too.

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Romance actually feels forced here lol. Their chemistry feels more like best friends type.

no it absolutly don't feel forced! you didn't see the Episode 2 Weeks ago? peak romance

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Cielord said:

CocoJaypee said:

Apologies for not specifying the type of shounen I'm referring to, but I mean, you could've put two and two together to realize that I'm referring to action shounens because dandadan is very different from horimiya

You didn't talk about the action part being an obstacle to the romance but the demographic. So please spare me this BS.

You’re on every post in this shows forum you are straight up and down obsessed. You need to do something more productive with your life instead of bitching about semantics😂

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I don’t know about that, I don’t feel like any romantic elements of the show are that integral in any way for this show’s success.

I think it’s just a great anime, with incredible production, solid characters and a fun, offbeat, frantic vibe.

But I guess it can serve as an example that those elements won’t diminish a show’s popularity to a large extent when the series is already good.

Though I don’t know if we really needed to prove that. The idea that battle shounen fans would drop a show just for that seems very foolish and the kind of soulless demographic targeting that idiot executives and editors believe in for no good reason.

Well I based the demographic reasoning on Eiichiro Oda's answer on why there's no romance in One Piece, as he said that One Piece is a shounen—a manga for boys—and boys are not interested in romance at all.

I felt turned off by that answer so I'm happy that Dandadan is showing the opposite by exploring the chemistry between its two leads and developing their feelings for each other all while still being popular with the public

@CocoJaypee

yeah, no disrespect to oda, but i think such a quote exemplifies how making something people like and understanding what people like can require different skill sets.

also, kind of a presumptuous thing to say, there are a lot of different "boys" out there (not to mention how people who were boys when one piece started are probably around 30 today), not a great quote all around.

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Cielord said:
@Bailey_Swag Clearly, this person should've specified.

In general, this post isn't phrased well.

It’s low key obvious

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Well, Dandadan didn’t succeed at anything to begin with lmao

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@Bailey_Swag Clearly, this person should've specified.

In general, this post isn't phrased well.

It’s low key obvious

@Bailey_Swag

CocoJaypee said:
A lot of action/battle shounen works don't really develop the romance between their characters because of "demographic," with authors saying that the readers which largely consists of boys are not interested with a romance subplot

Not when this is what he specified.

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Literally says action

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CocoJaypee said:
Can you share some action/battle shounen with good developed romance as a major focus that was highly talked about during its release?

Fate/Stay Night, InuYasha, Nanatsu no Taizai, Rurouni Kenshin and Shakugan no Shana were all major hits.
Mitsuru Adachi is also very well known for his Sports/Romance series too.

It’s a bit older but How about Tetsuwan Birdy Decode? (Birdy the Mighty: Decode)… I thought that show did a job of just hinting at a bit of romance without subtracting from the main action plot line.

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how can an anime that is not a romance be the "best shonen romance" when there are so many shonen romance animes?

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Bailey_Swag said:
Bruh clearly this person means, action type shows as majority of those don’t delve much into romance. Why yall mentioning quintuplets and horimiya. Come on yall let’s not pretend we didn’t understand the question. Dandadan is one of a small few heavy action type animes that also delve hard into romance and clearly it works which was the point of the post.

I didn't start to watch it and don't know much about the manga, so is there a serious romance development between Ken and Momo?

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Bailey_Swag said:
Bruh clearly this person means, action type shows as majority of those don’t delve much into romance. Why yall mentioning quintuplets and horimiya. Come on yall let’s not pretend we didn’t understand the question. Dandadan is one of a small few heavy action type animes that also delve hard into romance and clearly it works which was the point of the post.

I didn't start to watch it and don't know much about the manga, so is there a serious romance development between Ken and Momo?

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