The reason why Alya's Russian accent doesn't sound like proper Russian is because her accent is focused on sounding cute to Japanese ears
Alya Sometimes Hides Her Feelings in Russian
| Can't say I agree with that decision. In general I don't understand when people say slavic languages sound harsh... They actually have alot of soft sounds. |
PoisonedSandwich said: Can't say I agree with that decision. In general I don't understand when people say slavic languages sound harsh... They actually have alot of soft sounds. How a language sound is influenced by the perception of the people who speak it. |
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| And of course the fact that the voice actress isn't a native speaker also plays a part. Nothing wrong with that almost everyone has an accent when speaking a foreign language. But yes this is the same as when they get voice actors who are good at English and make them butcher their accent to sound better for the Japanese audience. |
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| I thought it's because Russian is not her native language. |
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| OR MAYBE because the actual voice actress is japanese and before that role She did not know anything about russian language....No s**t Sherlock 👀 |
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Cielord said: PoisonedSandwich said: Can't say I agree with that decision. In general I don't understand when people say slavic languages sound harsh... They actually have alot of soft sounds. How a language sound is influenced by the perception of the people who speak it. just that I understand correctly: the way a language is perceived depends on how the listener views the people group that speak the language, or does it depend on how the speaker perceives their own language? It's not really clear the way you phrased it. |
| I do not speak Japanese or Russian. Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads. I read captions on both in this anime, so I’m rarely paying attention to how the Japanese or Russian sound. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
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Cielord said:
How a language sound is influenced by the perception of the people who speak it.
PoisonedSandwich said:
Can't say I agree with that decision. In general I don't understand when people say slavic languages sound harsh... They actually have alot of soft sounds.
Can't say I agree with that decision. In general I don't understand when people say slavic languages sound harsh... They actually have alot of soft sounds.
How a language sound is influenced by the perception of the people who speak it.
just that I understand correctly: the way a language is perceived depends on how the listener views the people group that speak the language, or does it depend on how the speaker perceives their own language?
It's not really clear the way you phrased it.
| @PoisonedSandwich Sorry for not phrasing it right. And the former. PoisonedSandwich said: the way a language is perceived depends on how the listener views the people group that speak the language Take that with a grain of salt though. As that just information I rememeber hearing from a TikTok linguist. |
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PoisonedSandwich said: In general I don't understand when people say slavic languages sound harsh They only sound harsh if spoken by males, but hot if spoken by females. |
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ejleon said: I do not speak Japanese or Russian. Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads. I read captions on both in this anime, so I’m rarely paying attention to how the Japanese or Russian sound. It's not necessary to understand a language in order to get a feeling from hearing it. I don't understand most Japanese, yet their voice acts can make me cry and the same goes for other emotions. |
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ejleon said:
I do not speak Japanese or Russian.
Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads.
I read captions on both in this anime, so I’m rarely paying attention to how the Japanese or Russian sound.
I do not speak Japanese or Russian.
Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads.
I read captions on both in this anime, so I’m rarely paying attention to how the Japanese or Russian sound.
It's not necessary to understand a language in order to get a feeling from hearing it.
I don't understand most Japanese, yet their voice acts can make me cry and the same goes for other emotions.
| @Zarutaku With all due respect, I suggest that in the further, you pay more attention to what people actually say, instead of ignoring their words written down. I clearly said that I read the captions and don't pay attention to the sound of the Japanese / Russian voices. So it makes no logical sense for you to respond as you did, because I admitted to not paying any attention to how the foreign voices sounded. This is not about what you can do, it is about what I can't do. If you want to think less of me, go ahead, I do not care, but don't turn my comment into your chance to boast about what you can do. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@Zarutaku With all due respect, I suggest that in the further, you pay more attention to what people actually say, instead of ignoring their words written down.
I clearly said that I read the captions and don't pay attention to the sound of the Japanese / Russian voices.
So it makes no logical sense for you to respond as you did, because I admitted to not paying any attention to how the foreign voices sounded.
This is not about what you can do, it is about what I can't do.
If you want to think less of me, go ahead, I do not care, but don't turn my comment into your chance to boast about what you can do.
I clearly said that I read the captions and don't pay attention to the sound of the Japanese / Russian voices.
So it makes no logical sense for you to respond as you did, because I admitted to not paying any attention to how the foreign voices sounded.
This is not about what you can do, it is about what I can't do.
If you want to think less of me, go ahead, I do not care, but don't turn my comment into your chance to boast about what you can do.
| I was referring to this sentence: ejleon said: so the response does make sense. What's confusing me is why you feel offended by a neutrally written reply and read bad faith assumptions into it.Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads. |
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| Or they couldn't find a VA who can speak proper Russian and they're using this as an excuse...It's not like the Japanese are known for being good at foreign languages, they practically butcher any English voice. |
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| Well, so it's just what I interpreted. Time to learn some Russian before going there this fall! |
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I was referring to this sentence:
ejleon said:
Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads.
so the response does make sense. What's confusing me is why you feel offended by a neutrally written reply and read bad faith assumptions into it.Whether or not her Japanese / Russian sounds cute probably goes right over US people’s heads.
| @Zarutaku First, I was not offended, I was annoyed that you ignored my point, to talk about yourself. Second, I was pointing out a flaw in people in the US who do not appreciate good Japanese voice acting. Third, your response does not make any sense, because you are not correcting my statement by proving it false with evidence, you just talked in general about what can be done and then what you are able to do. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@Zarutaku First, I was not offended, I was annoyed that you ignored my point, to talk about yourself. Second, I was pointing out a flaw in people in the US who do not appreciate good Japanese voice acting. Third, your response does not make any sense, because you are not correcting my statement by proving it false with evidence, you just talked in general about what can be done and then what you are able to do.
| @ejleon Your sentence clearly implied that US people can't find a foreign voice cute if they don't understand the language, so I pointed out that isn't true and there was no need to provide any evidence because it's too obvious. Instead I just wrote an example in first person to make it more clear, not to "talk about myself" or "boast what I can do" lol. |
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Zarutaku said:
@ejleon Your sentence clearly implied that US people can't find a foreign voice cute if they don't understand the language, so I pointed out that isn't true and there was no need to provide any evidence because it's too obvious. Instead I just wrote an example in first person to make it more clear, not to "talk about myself" or "boast what I can do" lol.
@ejleon Your sentence clearly implied that US people can't find a foreign voice cute if they don't understand the language, so I pointed out that isn't true and there was no need to provide any evidence because it's too obvious. Instead I just wrote an example in first person to make it more clear, not to "talk about myself" or "boast what I can do" lol.
However I wonder if you really can pay attention to the voices when reading subtitles. I remember I started recognizing actors voice between animes when I started watching them in raw.
Does it ever happen to you with actors not having a very peculiar voice such as Tomita Miyu, Ayane Sakura or Taketatsu Ayana?
DragyG said: Why not? Humans can process audible and visual information simultaneously, unless they have some kind of handicap.I wonder if you really can pay attention to the voices when reading subtitles. DragyG said: Pay attention to voices doesn't guarantee to recognize certain voice actors.I remember I started recognizing actors voice between animes when I started watching them in raw. Does it ever happen to you with actors not having a very peculiar voice such as Tomita Miyu, Ayane Sakura or Taketatsu Ayana? First of all, VAs often change their voices depending on what pitch is required in the show. Secondly, some of them don't have distinctive enough voices to easily distinguish them while watching casually. So yes, it often happens that I don't recognize same voice actors between different anime, I don't even know most of their names, which also hinders recognition. |
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ShiroHachi said: This was stated by Alya's VA, Uesaka Sumire, in an interview with animatetimes. Uesaka: It is an essential element of "Roshidere"......! We recorded Alya-san's Russian with an emphasis on "sounding cute". Alya's usual dialogues are rather harsh, so we tried to give a ticklishly gentle nuance to the Russian part. We are happy if the Russian sounds cute when you hear it with Japanese ears! Source If you talk about accent Japanese voice actor's English accent is horrible in general with respect to British or American English accent. So I don't expect anything on Russia. |
| Nah, she simply isn't fluent. Her Russian in Tank und Panzer as Nonna also sounds broken compared to Klara, who was voiced by a native Russian. It's not something that's so out of the ordinary, though, as many Japanese people living in the West sound more or less like this because they learned the other language based on katakana rather than the alphabet of that language. For instance, instead of pronouncing "the world" as "ðə wərld," they might say "za warudo." |
WoodmannYesterday, 7:36 PM
| That was my first thought after hearing Alya's accent at first. I was familiar with the tact that her voice actress speaks Russian, so I thought that perhaps it sounded wacky due to forced "cute sounding" voice manner. However, the more I watched this show, the more I doubted that was the case. Russian already sounds pleasant to one's ear, so the decision of making Alya sound "kawaii" was weird and resulted in Alya sounding as if she actually couldn't speak Russian, lol. Even simple phrases sounded weird, as if Alya didn't care about proper accents, or wasn't aware of them in the first place. |
| damn if they thought russian was unfit for japanese ears, why'd they even make the show? it also reminds me of when users on MAL say they won't watch Chinese anime because "they don't like the sound of chinese". it's all so stupid to me |
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