Less Ecchi scenes in Anime than I thought

I'm a woman (and a relatively new ecchi fan) lol, but hopefully I can still speak on this.

Personally, I was drawn to 2.5-jigen no Ririsa for the cosplay premise, and I ended up loving those extremely detailed cosplay-focused panels, and also, yeah, that the manga is just filled with ecchi. I actually think it's a really important parallel to Ririsa's character, and how she hid her interests in ecchi because she was so worried about being judged for them. I hugely relate to that, and I'm still working through a lot of that myself (that's a long story that doesn't relate to this, though). But part of what made 2.5-jigen no Ririsa so impactful for me was being able to admit that I like it for both the cosplay AND the ecchi, which is like, very important, and I'd argue that it's actually the point of the manga to begin with. Like, just like the characters that Ririsa cosplays, characters can be cute and sexy and badass and hot all at the same time, and it's likewise okay for the manga to be the same, and have all of these different kinds of moments (with tons of ecchi and fanservice) in it, too.

Like... the fanservice is amazing, and it's also plot-relevant. So seeing something sanitized and censored like this actually annoys the hell out of me. Idk how much I have to censor myself here on the forums, but... literally I love the cosplays in the manga because of the visible underboob and the pantyshots and just how hot they are. And I love Ririsa's character because of how much she learns to value herself as a cosplayer, and how she realizes that a) she is in fact really hot and attractive exactly the way she is, and b) that her love of characters that just happen to be from ecchi anime and manga, is nothing to be ashamed of. Like even the manga page you showed: It really does represent fanservice shots that I've seen in ecchi shonen manga, like that's the whole point; and the anime just doesn't do it justice. It's just sadly ironic to me that a manga that starts out examining shame for your interests is... censoring those interests in its anime adaption.

I'm rambling a lot, but idk. This was the manga that led me down a rabbit hole of really good ecchi/18+ visual novels with really amazing heroines that I adore... so I have a lot of feelings about this haha. And like, yeah, I know this was probably done to make money (like they'll probably have uncensored Blu-rays later or whatever), but it's still very frustrating. Hopefully you don't mind a woman's perspective on this~

And also like???? Manga Lilliel and Manga Ririsa cosplaying her are just absolutely 1000% superior, that design is so hot and cute and iconic and it's missing so much of the fanservice that made me love it in the manga...
I'm praying for uncensored blu-rays at this point.
Otherwise the adaption is great, but it's literally missing a huge important part of the manga's identity, is basically how I feel.

It's fine for an anime…

@1WanteD1 Yes, just like I put the manga scene on my discussion board. The author made the uncensored (like showing 'nips') and more ecchi scenes. But around 50 chapters that are uncensored, and the rest of the chapters (to the latest) are censored.

I think all the arguments here are missing a simple fact: the manga actually has much lesser ecchi stuff overall. It's not even 50 chapters, the ecchi content gets very drastically toned down after the first 2-3 volumes itself. It's still there, but the initial volumes had a much higher level of ecchi than anything afterwards. It was actually a bit confusing while reading, and it was clearly visible that the author decided to change the nature and tone of the manga significantly.

So the anime's alterations could make things more consistent, and not make the more serious content feel out of place. Will have to wait for more episodes of course, but not every change from the manga is necessarily bad. And of course making the content more "mainstream" could still be the main reason

@Santouryuu244 The manga has a LOT more ecchi than the anime if we're going to be censoring routine panty/butt shots, though.

It's less the studio's fault more the producers I feel like, cause knowing jc staff, they prolly would have done it uncensored, the producers most likely made them make it censored

Also do we have any comment from the author what they feel like about it being censored like this?

@NoHeart Why settle for "fine"? Gushing Over Magical Girls set the bar for ecchi anime. Now people need to jump.

i was fine with it at first, but i guess my limit was 3 episodes. way too tame, will try the manga in the next few days for sure. the anime is still decent otherwise though.

The Mangaka's note for today's episode reveals a crucial point

The Mangaka's note for today's episode reveals a crucial point

@Deoxyribo9 Author pulled some bait and switch. Telling you that the buildup, preaching and passion of ecchi at earlier stages are just nonsense because it is now a 177013th typical MID shonen because I don't have any idea left.

@Deoxyribo9 it's kinda funny the people trying to argue for the mangaka and intent when the mangaka is releasing notes like this as the series airs.

Gushing Over Magical Girls . . . Ah! Mahō Shōjo ni Akogarete. I never looked for the title in English.

Well, in Akogarete the ecchi is truly important for the plot; however, in 2.5D, it's just fanservice. There are few moments where it is important, so as long as those are respected, it is fine to dilute the rest for the anime version to come out.

highly recommend and start from the beginning honestly. so many scenes in just the first volume that are way censored down in the anime in just 3 episodes and it's just gonna get even worse with how the source goes from here on

@kxlel02 damn then they shouldn't have picked up the source material to begin with. just a major disservice to the author and the whole point of it being ecchi lol thanks though, that makes me interested to see what's upcoming and i'll start from chapter 1 for sure.

@ryzxgum
People keep calling this a major disservice to the author while ignoring the author's own words. I feel like that's the real insult here. I feel most of the people complaining haven't even read the manga until the anime started airing. Cause hot damn is the major selling point of this anime

@Deoxyribo9 enlighten me then, don't just yapp away and not even provide info. and i don't see why it matters when you read it, are you trying to say the people complaining are the ones who aren't blinded by bias for the series? if so, then good.

it’s j.c. staff, what can you expect? they have a knack for it.

btw i saw the other dude reply to you and i’ll answer for him since he hasn’t responded himself. the first few volumes is riddled with ecchi. full nudity is common and each chapter has plenty of fan service that’s legitimately deserving of ecchi. after that, it’s a little more tame. not as much nudity and some chapter don’t have any fan service but its still very much present throughout the series. that’s why these guys are getting the wrong idea that it somehow turned into not an ecchi anymore just because it was eased down and people like that guy are misunderstanding this because of some of the authors comments.

the author has been audibly supportive of the anime and people (like the guy @ you) are misunderstanding his words. he’s essentially explaining why the anime is tame and that he’s fine with it and for some reason people are taking that as reason to say the anime isn’t completely different just because the author said he’s fine with it. i yapped a little bit much but that should fill you in

@ryzxgum
The first thing you'll notice if you read the manga is a color spread featuring Okumura, Lilysa, Lilliel, Mikari, and a mystery third girl on the second page. As revealed in the recent Mangaka's note on the Latest Episode, the original manga was a low budget ecchi romcom where the cosplay and much of the activity hardly left the clubroom let alone the school. It was set to be finished in three volumes taking under a year to produce. But after the first Millena cosplay, the editor suggests to leave the clubroom, setting off the events as seen in the end of the third episode. For the mangaka THIS is where 2.5 Dimensional Seduction really begins. Not as an ecchi romcom that would probably fit contemporaries like Saotome Shimai wa Manga no Tame nara!? but as a hot blooded shonen that has defined the past 150+ chapters. And yes that mangaka's note mentions the change from ecchi to shonen.

The series would still qualify as an ecchi, but not by the standards of Gushing or Mato Slave or even Yankee JK KuzuHana-chan. Characters are sexy. Cosplayers are sexy. POVs are real sexy. But Okumura himself puts an end to most of the lucky pervert scenarios. And we see in this episode, they're not afraid to do those moments if they're relevant in the anime. But at the same time, its a perfect excuse to cut the fat. The anime has the perfect amount of chapters it can adapt (70 chapters in 24 episodes), and it has to prioritize which scenes are more necessary than others. Anime original trade offs can also be considered like all the Ashford Chronicles clips which are not in the manga. Because for a mangaka, an anime is an excuse to get concepts done that you're too lazy to do. So if sacrificing a popsicle scene meant getting that clip, I feel it's a worthwhile trade. How many will they continue to make? Well that's how you properly judge an adaption (like Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood skipping Coal Town).

Because it ultimately comes down to the belief that the Mangaka should be ashamed of the anime adaption. Why should he? The fact he's here after a decade of suffering, does that mean people have to right to try and kill the project because it doesn't meet their standards? Where it feels most of the people who claim to be fans complaining are not even participating in the celebrations of the manga. I can get the outsiders looking in with demands. I've seen that in the comments for this manga even before the anime became a thing. The kinda people who complain about the cast being too melodramatic and serious about "just cosplay". I see the people who get turned off from this series because the MC is too loud or seems unredeemable. But those who are trying to shove this series into a single category without even knowing the whole thing? That really grinds my gears.

it’s j.c. staff, what can you expect? they have a knack for it.

btw i saw the other dude reply to you and i’ll answer for him since he hasn’t responded himself. the first few volumes is riddled with ecchi. full nudity is common and each chapter has plenty of fan service that’s legitimately deserving of ecchi. after that, it’s a little more tame. not as much nudity and some chapter don’t have any fan service but its still very much present throughout the series. that’s why these guys are getting the wrong idea that it somehow turned into not an ecchi anymore just because it was eased down and people like that guy are misunderstanding this because of some of the authors comments.

the author has been audibly supportive of the anime and people (like the guy @ you) are misunderstanding his words. he’s essentially explaining why the anime is tame and that he’s fine with it and for some reason people are taking that as reason to say the anime isn’t completely different just because the author said he’s fine with it. i yapped a little bit much but that should fill you in

@NoHeart I mean, an anime about girls wanting to do semi-nude cosplay... I'd say the ecchi is relevant, not just fan service. :)

Seems @LostSpectre beat me to the punch. :)

Not really, the main focus of the series is cosplay, in general; the level of ecchi-ness it's just fanservice.

The fundamental spirit of the series can be seen in the scene where Ririsa explains the difference between using the manga or the anime as reference for the costume. (Around minute 6 of episode 3) While the ecchi is just the trigger for the usual comedy gags.

That said, I'll give you that ecchi is important for the comedy tone (the story would be a drama without it); however, the anime do not require the same level as the manga to reach the same effect (for the people that haven't read the manga, so as for those who understand that "less" is "more").

@kxlel02 To be fair, after the earlier volumes you can barely call it ecchi without counting the sexy bonus chapters, which the anime is likely to remove entirely. It's unfortunate how watered down the early chapters are (in the anime) but it makes sense to keep them consistent with the direction the manga starts to head in once the cosplay scene becomes the primary focus.

Not really, the main focus of the series is cosplay, in general; the level of ecchi-ness it's just fanservice.

The fundamental spirit of the series can be seen in the scene where Ririsa explains the difference between using the manga or the anime as reference for the costume. (Around minute 6 of episode 3) While the ecchi is just the trigger for the usual comedy gags.

That said, I'll give you that ecchi is important for the comedy tone (the story would be a drama without it); however, the anime do not require the same level as the manga to reach the same effect (for the people that haven't read the manga, so as for those who understand that "less" is "more").

@NoHeart If there wasn't "ecchi" in it, then several plots or plot points in the manga and anime couldn't really exist. Thus it's plot driving, even for the drama aspect of the show.

@Love_And_Forward Did you even read what I said?

Let me quote myself:



I NEVER said: "cero ecchi"
I just said, that it doesn't need to have the same level of the manga.
Please, put attention.


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Weren't we talking about the importance of ecchi for the plot?
Please, don't mix oranges with apples.

Fanservice is an important tool to sell, not for the plot/story.

If you want to talk about marketing, don't use the story as an excuse.

And since you FINALLY got a point; yes, reducing the ecchi level can impact the sells, but it has noting to do with the story.



In a side not: I haven read Alya's manga, so I can't comment on that. However, the anime seems pretty normal to me so far; one of those stories you forget at the beginning of the following season.

I'm... um, not sure why in your very first sentence you had to bring up coomers and gooners and immediately went to calling the characters children, but okay.

Let me start by saying, arguing on the internet really isn't my thing. I'm generally not an argumentative person, and particularly these days, I'm seriously way too tired for it. So forgive me if this is the only thing I say and I don't respond to your (likely) future counterargument. It's genuinely just because I'm too tired and with my energy levels as of late, it's simply not worth the effort. Before I get into all of this, genuinely, thank you for the lesson on TV broadcasting standards. I genuinely wasn't aware of a lot of that, and it was interesting.

But I just want to say that this argument of yours, about the "sexualization of children" is just... I see it everywhere, and it infuriates me to end, the people who can't separate fiction from reality. This is why Mushoku Tensei gets a bad rap when it's literally one of the most influential works of all time, this is why we can't have a frank conversation about Ojou to Banken-kun's adaption, talking about the strengths of the manga in comparison to Project No. 9's shoddy adaption, this is why so many discsussions that could otherwise be nuanced and varied and conducive, quickly devolve into this strange tired argument of "your opinion is irrelevant because, uhhh, look at the children being sexualized!!". Like honestly, how exhuasting it must be for these people, when half the anime on my favorites list, features children being sexualized in some way. Fate stay/night: Unlimited Blade Works? Rin Tohsaka, one of my favorite characters of all time, is sexualized. Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2? Sylphie and Eris are sexualized. Hibike Euphonium 2? Kimi no Suizou wo Tabetai? Oniichan wa Oshimai? I could find more and more examples, but all I'm saying is that 2.5-Jigen no Ririsa wasn't the first to do so, and it won't be the last. I mean, even Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata features sexualization of its characters, and that's on your favorites' list. The ecchi/18+ visual novels that I mentioned in my post, all feature the sexaulization of, what would be in your opinion - "literal children". I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong or whatever, I'm not here to make that argument. But I'm just here to point out how it's so hard to have actual discussions about these issues, because people are so busy being unable to separate fiction from reality. I mean, this is why girls like me struggle with talking about sexuality and sexual things in general, because of the mindset that your argument perpetuates. (I'm not saying that your argument is 100% related, but that this mindset of sexualization and being unable to separate fiction from reality, actually makes talking about sexuality for us, really difficult.) I didn't want to get into it here, but you brought it up: The reason why it took me so long to properly enjoy ecchi like Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, and some of my favorite visual novels of all time, was because of voices like yours in the back of my head. So I have a personal stake in this, absolutely.

Ririsa's feelings of being ashamed for her interests in ecchi aren't as far-fetched and made up as some people like to think. So many girls like ecchi in their anime and manga; a few weeks ago, I had an awesome conversation with my best friend about an 18+ visual novel that she wanted to bring up to me, but she was genuinely afraid to do so because she thought I'd judge her for it. And I'm sure it's the same for so many of us, that we do actually like this stuff, that it's not just for men, or coomers and gooners, but people who just happen to like ecchi! For another example, a massive amount of women play Nikke: Goddess of Victory, the CEO of Manjuu (behind Azur Lane) is a woman, and their are countless women mangakas working with ecchi manga, busy "sexualizing children", as it were.

I just don't understand why, when I bring up my annoyances with censorship (and lets call it what it is, censorship - if you look it up in the dictionary you will see that it applies here), there has to be someone bringing up this tired argument. My point was not about the ages of Ririsa and Mikari, I'm quite aware that they're listed as 15 years old. My point was that for me, personally, this censorship frustrates me as a person who saw a lot of herself in Ririsa's character, and found the presence and specific nature of the sexual content of 2.5-Jigen no Ririsa's manga, relevant to her own feelings and Ririsa's character. This censorship frustrates me as someone who was able to enjoy reading 2.5-Jigen no Ririsa as an ecchi manga, for the first time. That's literally all I was saying. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring up coomers, but again, okay. And again, my feelings and opinion stand regardless of the opinion of the series' creator. Which, you know, I'm glad that Hashimoto seems pleased with how the anime turned out, but that's not relevant to what I said - as we're talking about my feelings, not theirs.

And for some reason, your reply makes me feel like my disappointment about the censorship is invalid, and I don't appreciate that. If I, or anyone is else is upset about censorship, you don't get to simply dismiss their argument as the rambling of a coomer or gooner. That's just not fair. As @Sunlighthell said, people have all their rights to complain about this.

Them mentioning Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete is relevant regardless of the difference in studios, regardless of the difference in target audience. You know the point they were trying to make, even I can understand it - they were just trying to compare two different forms of censorship and how they were handled between the TV broadcast and Blu-ray release, but you're just deciding to be nitpicky to throw away their argument. That's insulting.

You couldn't just let me be frustrated without bringing up a whole moral grandstanding argument, could you? I'm allowed to be upset about this. And as I've been struggling to learn, it is okay for anime and manga to have lots of fanservice and to still be respected and adored as a quality work of art in spite of it, or even because of it. It's this attitude that makes having these conversations so frustrating, that perpetuates the mentality that (I'm not saying you're specifically saying so here) something has less value because it has fanservice. And frankly, since you're bringing it up, no one is defending the sexualization of children. But we are defending our rights to complain about censorship, especially when they might affect how a piece of media is viewed and understood.

Thank goodness I've learned how to separate fiction from reality. As I mentioned before, it must be really exhausting to watch anime or read manga without being able to do so.

@NoHeart Oh, I read what you wrote. I was just commenting on whether the ecchi of the story was just fan service, and I argued it was not. There was no antagonism in my statement.

I'm... um, not sure why in your very first sentence you had to bring up coomers and gooners and immediately went to calling the characters children, but okay.

Let me start by saying, arguing on the internet really isn't my thing. I'm generally not an argumentative person, and particularly these days, I'm seriously way too tired for it. So forgive me if this is the only thing I say and I don't respond to your (likely) future counterargument. It's genuinely just because I'm too tired and with my energy levels as of late, it's simply not worth the effort. Before I get into all of this, genuinely, thank you for the lesson on TV broadcasting standards. I genuinely wasn't aware of a lot of that, and it was interesting.

But I just want to say that this argument of yours, about the "sexualization of children" is just... I see it everywhere, and it infuriates me to end, the people who can't separate fiction from reality. This is why Mushoku Tensei gets a bad rap when it's literally one of the most influential works of all time, this is why we can't have a frank conversation about Ojou to Banken-kun's adaption, talking about the strengths of the manga in comparison to Project No. 9's shoddy adaption, this is why so many discsussions that could otherwise be nuanced and varied and conducive, quickly devolve into this strange tired argument of "your opinion is irrelevant because, uhhh, look at the children being sexualized!!". Like honestly, how exhuasting it must be for these people, when half the anime on my favorites list, features children being sexualized in some way. Fate stay/night: Unlimited Blade Works? Rin Tohsaka, one of my favorite characters of all time, is sexualized. Mushoku Tensei: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2? Sylphie and Eris are sexualized. Hibike Euphonium 2? Kimi no Suizou wo Tabetai? Oniichan wa Oshimai? I could find more and more examples, but all I'm saying is that 2.5-Jigen no Ririsa wasn't the first to do so, and it won't be the last. I mean, even Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata features sexualization of its characters, and that's on your favorites' list. The ecchi/18+ visual novels that I mentioned in my post, all feature the sexaulization of, what would be in your opinion - "literal children". I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong or whatever, I'm not here to make that argument. But I'm just here to point out how it's so hard to have actual discussions about these issues, because people are so busy being unable to separate fiction from reality. I mean, this is why girls like me struggle with talking about sexuality and sexual things in general, because of the mindset that your argument perpetuates. (I'm not saying that your argument is 100% related, but that this mindset of sexualization and being unable to separate fiction from reality, actually makes talking about sexuality for us, really difficult.) I didn't want to get into it here, but you brought it up: The reason why it took me so long to properly enjoy ecchi like Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, and some of my favorite visual novels of all time, was because of voices like yours in the back of my head. So I have a personal stake in this, absolutely.

Ririsa's feelings of being ashamed for her interests in ecchi aren't as far-fetched and made up as some people like to think. So many girls like ecchi in their anime and manga; a few weeks ago, I had an awesome conversation with my best friend about an 18+ visual novel that she wanted to bring up to me, but she was genuinely afraid to do so because she thought I'd judge her for it. And I'm sure it's the same for so many of us, that we do actually like this stuff, that it's not just for men, or coomers and gooners, but people who just happen to like ecchi! For another example, a massive amount of women play Nikke: Goddess of Victory, the CEO of Manjuu (behind Azur Lane) is a woman, and their are countless women mangakas working with ecchi manga, busy "sexualizing children", as it were.

I just don't understand why, when I bring up my annoyances with censorship (and lets call it what it is, censorship - if you look it up in the dictionary you will see that it applies here), there has to be someone bringing up this tired argument. My point was not about the ages of Ririsa and Mikari, I'm quite aware that they're listed as 15 years old. My point was that for me, personally, this censorship frustrates me as a person who saw a lot of herself in Ririsa's character, and found the presence and specific nature of the sexual content of 2.5-Jigen no Ririsa's manga, relevant to her own feelings and Ririsa's character. This censorship frustrates me as someone who was able to enjoy reading 2.5-Jigen no Ririsa as an ecchi manga, for the first time. That's literally all I was saying. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring up coomers, but again, okay. And again, my feelings and opinion stand regardless of the opinion of the series' creator. Which, you know, I'm glad that Hashimoto seems pleased with how the anime turned out, but that's not relevant to what I said - as we're talking about my feelings, not theirs.

And for some reason, your reply makes me feel like my disappointment about the censorship is invalid, and I don't appreciate that. If I, or anyone is else is upset about censorship, you don't get to simply dismiss their argument as the rambling of a coomer or gooner. That's just not fair. As @Sunlighthell said, people have all their rights to complain about this.

Them mentioning Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete is relevant regardless of the difference in studios, regardless of the difference in target audience. You know the point they were trying to make, even I can understand it - they were just trying to compare two different forms of censorship and how they were handled between the TV broadcast and Blu-ray release, but you're just deciding to be nitpicky to throw away their argument. That's insulting.

You couldn't just let me be frustrated without bringing up a whole moral grandstanding argument, could you? I'm allowed to be upset about this. And as I've been struggling to learn, it is okay for anime and manga to have lots of fanservice and to still be respected and adored as a quality work of art in spite of it, or even because of it. It's this attitude that makes having these conversations so frustrating, that perpetuates the mentality that (I'm not saying you're specifically saying so here) something has less value because it has fanservice. And frankly, since you're bringing it up, no one is defending the sexualization of children. But we are defending our rights to complain about censorship, especially when they might affect how a piece of media is viewed and understood.

Thank goodness I've learned how to separate fiction from reality. As I mentioned before, it must be really exhausting to watch anime or read manga without being able to do so.

@NoHeart

Well the anime is failing at that massively though.

Look at the hype for the anime compared to russian alya anime which elevated its ecchi and fan service.

The show went viral and left 2.5-jigen no Ririsa in its shadow completely forgotten.

Like there is no hype at all for 2.5-jigen no Ririsa in west and in jp the rankings are also lacking.

Nah who cares. The anime is still pretty good and it doesn't really lose anything by watering down the ecchi scenes.

Actually, if your manga panel is to go by then its a good thing they actually tuned it down cause this is borderline hentai

I'm a woman (and a relatively new ecchi fan) lol, but hopefully I can still speak on this.

Personally, I was drawn to 2.5-jigen no Ririsa for the cosplay premise, and I ended up loving those extremely detailed cosplay-focused panels, and also, yeah, that the manga is just filled with ecchi. I actually think it's a really important parallel to Ririsa's character, and how she hid her interests in ecchi because she was so worried about being judged for them. I hugely relate to that, and I'm still working through a lot of that myself (that's a long story that doesn't relate to this, though). But part of what made 2.5-jigen no Ririsa so impactful for me was being able to admit that I like it for both the cosplay AND the ecchi, which is like, very important, and I'd argue that it's actually the point of the manga to begin with. Like, just like the characters that Ririsa cosplays, characters can be cute and sexy and badass and hot all at the same time, and it's likewise okay for the manga to be the same, and have all of these different kinds of moments (with tons of ecchi and fanservice) in it, too.

Like... the fanservice is amazing, and it's also plot-relevant. So seeing something sanitized and censored like this actually annoys the hell out of me. Idk how much I have to censor myself here on the forums, but... literally I love the cosplays in the manga because of the visible underboob and the pantyshots and just how hot they are. And I love Ririsa's character because of how much she learns to value herself as a cosplayer, and how she realizes that a) she is in fact really hot and attractive exactly the way she is, and b) that her love of characters that just happen to be from ecchi anime and manga, is nothing to be ashamed of. Like even the manga page you showed: It really does represent fanservice shots that I've seen in ecchi shonen manga, like that's the whole point; and the anime just doesn't do it justice. It's just sadly ironic to me that a manga that starts out examining shame for your interests is... censoring those interests in its anime adaption.

I'm rambling a lot, but idk. This was the manga that led me down a rabbit hole of really good ecchi/18+ visual novels with really amazing heroines that I adore... so I have a lot of feelings about this haha. And like, yeah, I know this was probably done to make money (like they'll probably have uncensored Blu-rays later or whatever), but it's still very frustrating. Hopefully you don't mind a woman's perspective on this~

And also like???? Manga Lilliel and Manga Ririsa cosplaying her are just absolutely 1000% superior, that design is so hot and cute and iconic and it's missing so much of the fanservice that made me love it in the manga...
I'm praying for uncensored blu-rays at this point.
Otherwise the adaption is great, but it's literally missing a huge important part of the manga's identity, is basically how I feel.

@Sunlighthell [sarcasm] Right because you, a random on the internet, clearly know more about censorship than Japanese companies in Japan making Japanese stories within the bounds of Japanese law, Japanese TV broadcasting standards and Japanese media culture for Japanese audiences. Clearly. [/sarcasm]

Your country of residence is irrelevant if it's any country other than Japan. And because you clearly need the help I'll explain why; Your countries laws and cultural standards mean nothing in Japan. And no it's not an act of "self-censorship" because that would require a level of social pressure that only exists in woke western countries. Considering the flagrant and constant nudity of not the the manga version of the series but many MANY other series that go even further with the sexual content, if "self-censorship" was even a factor then it would have happened to the author first. Remember the Uzaki-chan blood drive incident? That was self-censorship and it was driven entirely by social pressure outside of Japan. You seem incapable of telling the difference between that, let alone any actual form of censorship, and taking that at it's most charitable it's because you're simply ignorant of what censorship actually is.

Your comparison remains irrelevant because the target audience is different. One show is catering the cosplay audience and the other is catering to a completely separate audience of degeneracy that skirts the line if illegality by getting as close as it can to being softcore porn without actually crossing over into being pornographic. Completely. Separate. Audiences. And again since you seem to need the help; Do you know what the target audience for a manga is? People who read manga. This isn't new information. The intended audience between anime and manga is so wildly different that between the late 90s and the early 2010s anime itself was still viewed as marketing for the manga like it's a promotional product. It wasn't until those early 2010s hit when anime began to shift away from being advertising+ to being it's own artistic work.

"Let's say people liked how toned down fanservice and decided to read manga after. Won't they be grossed out because of how obscene scenes there?"
Some will be. That means the manga isn't for them and they should read something else. It doesn't subtract from or diminish either the anime or the manga.

"And of course I am strongly against of sexualization of children. Thankfully anime don't have actual children so it is completely safe."
Define actual children.

And to put a metaphorical brick in your mouth on the quality of the anime; Yuu Hashimoto, the creator of the series, spent all of chapter 165 of the manga praising how well the anime came out. If the creator of the series is happy with the product J.C.Staff made; what right do you have to complain about it?

I can see that you were late to start watching the show, as for when I first started watching on release, I saw full on uncensored tits on screen for the first couple of episodes, but now when I went back to those episodes I knew had tits when I watched, they are no longer there, so in conclusion, the censorship was done after release... and I am most definitely not satisfied by that... regardless of that, I will still continue to watch since it is a very VERY good anime IMO and I really like the story of it... and they are just extremely cute together