Ufotable becoming less passionate with Demon Slayer?

Mar 23, 2024 11:12 AM

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It's not really losing passion, but it's not like DS had Ufotable's best staff on board to begin with. Obviously there is a lot of good animators, but Haruo Sotozaki is a generally weak director, specially for action. His episodes tend to just copy the manga and never be too crazy when it comes to storyboards.

The ACTUAL main director responsible for those big moments that exploded in the fandom is Toshiyuki Shirai. He was responsible for storyboards and direction for both of those fights, and his action ideas are infinitely better than everybody else.

Mar 23, 2024 11:27 AM

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that's a nice thing in a way

Mar 23, 2024 11:36 AM

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Oongbuh said:
It's not really losing passion, but it's not like DS had Ufotable's best staff on board to begin with. Obviously there is a lot of good animators, but Haruo Sotozaki is a generally weak director, specially for action. His episodes tend to just copy the manga and never be too crazy when it comes to storyboards.

The ACTUAL main director responsible for those big moments that exploded in the fandom is Toshiyuki Shirai. He was responsible for storyboards and direction for both of those fights, and his action ideas are infinitely better than everybody else.

That actually makes a lot of sense. I always wondered why it downgraded so much after peak that is 2nd season. It's probably a mixture of everything: a weaker part of the manga probably bcs I haven't read it yet, less talented director and other stuff. That would explain it but I just hope they bring that other guy that you mentioned for the future seasons where the stuff gets real bcs I'm smelling some final season part 1 section 8 row 3 type of boss fights with a lot of action glore after this training arc stuff.

Mar 23, 2024 11:42 AM

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EGG_KING_ said:
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It is only my opinion but I feel like as time goes by ufotable is becoming less and less passionate with demon slayer. I mean 1st season turned Tanjiro vs Rui into one of the most memorable fights in anime even though it was a small fight in the manga. Then the movie came out and it became the highest grossing movie of that year ‘WORLDWIDE'. All of a sudden, everyone become a Rengoku fan. Then, 2nd season came out and it extended Uzui vs Gyutaro and turned it into one of the best fights in anime and I'd argue it even surpassed their own previous works i.e. all Fate fight scenes ( I think Gigguk also said this in one of his videos). Just like before, Uzui also became favourite among anime fans.

Now, it's the third season and ( it's only my opinion) I feel like this anime isn't getting appraisal like it used to get before. Rengoku and Uzui became like idols between anime fans. Compare their popularity to Mitsuri and Muichiro and their combined popularity dont come across even one of the previous Hashiras. You can argue that this season was the weaker part of the manga but if Ufotable really wanted then they could've made the fights better just like they made in previous seasons.

Maybe I'm biased because I finished manga after 2nd season but honestly if the studio wanted they would've extended Mitsuri VS Hantengu and Muichiro VS Gyokko just like they extended Tanjiro vs Rui and Uzui vs Gyutaro.

Anyways, thanks for reading my (probably) grammatically abhorrent rant. 😊 I'd like to know if you agree or disagree with me and for what reasons. I know I'm really late to make this post but recently I've been seeing sooo many posts defending greedytable's CGI use and shitty movie releases which are just episodes tied together to impersonate a movie that I knew I just had to make one.

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Mar 23, 2024 11:43 AM

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It was weaker part of the manga indeed so not much saving could be done.
The Upper moons meeting was exceptional. I think it was one of the best non fight animation scenes I have seen. There were small moments with great animation like Tanjiro's Sun halo dragon. The CGI for the wooden dragon was pretty great as well.

I don't think they have lost passion. Maybe they could have used their best director but I guess we will see much better stuff when needed, which is the infinity castle arc.

If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

Mar 23, 2024 11:45 AM

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The thing is, that this arc is the weakest one and Ufotable did what they could with what they had. And they did quite well. Saying that they lost passion because of the past of the story they were adapting is worse when compared to previous one is just wrong.

Mar 23, 2024 11:56 AM

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_Yotsugi_ said:

EGG_KING_ said:
(Apologies in advance if the grammar is bad.)

It is only my opinion but I feel like as time goes by ufotable is becoming less and less passionate with demon slayer. I mean 1st season turned Tanjiro vs Rui into one of the most memorable fights in anime even though it was a small fight in the manga. Then the movie came out and it became the highest grossing movie of that year ‘WORLDWIDE'. All of a sudden, everyone become a Rengoku fan. Then, 2nd season came out and it extended Uzui vs Gyutaro and turned it into one of the best fights in anime and I'd argue it even surpassed their own previous works i.e. all Fate fight scenes ( I think Gigguk also said this in one of his videos). Just like before, Uzui also became favourite among anime fans.

Now, it's the third season and ( it's only my opinion) I feel like this anime isn't getting appraisal like it used to get before. Rengoku and Uzui became like idols between anime fans. Compare their popularity to Mitsuri and Muichiro and their combined popularity dont come across even one of the previous Hashiras. You can argue that this season was the weaker part of the manga but if Ufotable really wanted then they could've made the fights better just like they made in previous seasons.

Maybe I'm biased because I finished manga after 2nd season but honestly if the studio wanted they would've extended Mitsuri VS Hantengu and Muichiro VS Gyokko just like they extended Tanjiro vs Rui and Uzui vs Gyutaro.

Anyways, thanks for reading my (probably) grammatically abhorrent rant. 😊 I'd like to know if you agree or disagree with me and for what reasons. I know I'm really late to make this post but recently I've been seeing sooo many posts defending greedytable's CGI use and shitty movie releases which are just episodes tied together to impersonate a movie that I knew I just had to make one.

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

The genshin anime :)

Mar 23, 2024 12:14 PM

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I don't really have anything new to contribute to the conversation, but it's basically what some users have mentioned, this season had a different director and it shows. I'm sure they'll bring back Toshiyuki Shirai in the future when the series most needs him. To me this season ended up pretty decent, not that this arc was the best in the manga to begin with but I'm satisfied with what we got.

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Mar 23, 2024 12:35 PM

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I think it's just a matter of support material, both the Hashiras and the Upper Moons have a lot less "flamboyant" styles compared to the previous seasons

But they definitely put some time and effort into it, the Dragon Sun Halo scene might be the best animated scene in the series (though it is short) the visuals and effects are unrivaled imo

Mar 23, 2024 1:41 PM

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TMK1k said:

_Yotsugi_ said:

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

The genshin anime :)

I forgot about that.

Mar 23, 2024 1:44 PM

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EGG_KING_ said:
(Apologies in advance if the grammar is bad.)

It is only my opinion but I feel like as time goes by ufotable is becoming less and less passionate with demon slayer. I mean 1st season turned Tanjiro vs Rui into one of the most memorable fights in anime even though it was a small fight in the manga. Then the movie came out and it became the highest grossing movie of that year ‘WORLDWIDE'. All of a sudden, everyone become a Rengoku fan. Then, 2nd season came out and it extended Uzui vs Gyutaro and turned it into one of the best fights in anime and I'd argue it even surpassed their own previous works i.e. all Fate fight scenes ( I think Gigguk also said this in one of his videos). Just like before, Uzui also became favourite among anime fans.

Now, it's the third season and ( it's only my opinion) I feel like this anime isn't getting appraisal like it used to get before. Rengoku and Uzui became like idols between anime fans. Compare their popularity to Mitsuri and Muichiro and their combined popularity dont come across even one of the previous Hashiras. You can argue that this season was the weaker part of the manga but if Ufotable really wanted then they could've made the fights better just like they made in previous seasons.

Maybe I'm biased because I finished manga after 2nd season but honestly if the studio wanted they would've extended Mitsuri VS Hantengu and Muichiro VS Gyokko just like they extended Tanjiro vs Rui and Uzui vs Gyutaro.

Anyways, thanks for reading my (probably) grammatically abhorrent rant. 😊 I'd like to know if you agree or disagree with me and for what reasons. I know I'm really late to make this post but recently I've been seeing sooo many posts defending greedytable's CGI use and shitty movie releases which are just episodes tied together to impersonate a movie that I knew I just had to make one.

Well Ufotable has more senior staff compared to other studios which do more outsourcing for animation. This means on average their animation quality is higher than other studios however this could also mean that the animators could be experiencing burnout on the series, and there are other projects Ufotable has teased that they might want to dedicate man power to, like the Witch On The Holy Night Film which I’d highly recommend reading the source material for, but I digress; What is more likely however is simply that Demon Slayer was never really a passion project to begin with, S1 and the Film had great animation but was very much within what they had done before with Like the Heaven’s Feel movies, S2 was a bit of a step up from their normal standards however it is hard to imagine that when approaching S3 Ufotable was thinking of Demon Slayer as a Passion project for the studio in part because the source material isn’t the quality of other Passion Project anime like Mob Psycho 100 for Bones or 86 for A-1 Pictures I do not think Ufotable’s directors believe in it nearly as much as in the previously mentioned cases and that’s okay, I just hope they stop using bollywood CG effects, and minimize CG usage to an acceptable degree moving forward, the wood dragon looked pretty bad tbh.

Mar 23, 2024 2:13 PM

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WAH WAH WAH just another idiot that only says *EEEEE SEASON 3 BAD BECAUSE ANIMATION WAS SHIT*
Just stfu

Mar 23, 2024 3:31 PM

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_Yotsugi_ said:

EGG_KING_ said:
(Apologies in advance if the grammar is bad.)

It is only my opinion but I feel like as time goes by ufotable is becoming less and less passionate with demon slayer. I mean 1st season turned Tanjiro vs Rui into one of the most memorable fights in anime even though it was a small fight in the manga. Then the movie came out and it became the highest grossing movie of that year ‘WORLDWIDE'. All of a sudden, everyone become a Rengoku fan. Then, 2nd season came out and it extended Uzui vs Gyutaro and turned it into one of the best fights in anime and I'd argue it even surpassed their own previous works i.e. all Fate fight scenes ( I think Gigguk also said this in one of his videos). Just like before, Uzui also became favourite among anime fans.

Now, it's the third season and ( it's only my opinion) I feel like this anime isn't getting appraisal like it used to get before. Rengoku and Uzui became like idols between anime fans. Compare their popularity to Mitsuri and Muichiro and their combined popularity dont come across even one of the previous Hashiras. You can argue that this season was the weaker part of the manga but if Ufotable really wanted then they could've made the fights better just like they made in previous seasons.

Maybe I'm biased because I finished manga after 2nd season but honestly if the studio wanted they would've extended Mitsuri VS Hantengu and Muichiro VS Gyokko just like they extended Tanjiro vs Rui and Uzui vs Gyutaro.

Anyways, thanks for reading my (probably) grammatically abhorrent rant. 😊 I'd like to know if you agree or disagree with me and for what reasons. I know I'm really late to make this post but recently I've been seeing sooo many posts defending greedytable's CGI use and shitty movie releases which are just episodes tied together to impersonate a movie that I knew I just had to make one.

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Fate? Ufotable isn't doing any Fate anymore, are they?

Mar 23, 2024 3:49 PM

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Dan_ALves said:

_Yotsugi_ said:

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Fate? Ufotable isn't doing any Fate anymore, are they?

They are working on Witch on the Holy Night which isn't Fate but is another Type Moon VN adaptation.

Mar 23, 2024 5:16 PM

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Maybe it’s just cuz season 3 sucked ass and people started to realize how repetitive and low stakes the series is

Mar 23, 2024 5:44 PM

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Dan_ALves said:

_Yotsugi_ said:

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Fate? Ufotable isn't doing any Fate anymore, are they?

They are working on Witch on the Holy Night which isn't Fate but is another Type Moon VN adaptation.

@Outlow Oh that. I forget that´s in the same universe.

Mar 23, 2024 7:12 PM

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So we just acting like that Nezuko moment wasn't the best one in all of those seasons?

Mar 24, 2024 3:39 AM

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I kinda feel like this series is dwindling from where it was at the start. Part of that is that much of season 2 took me out of enjoying it for several reasons. Season 3 had similar issues in the first 6 episodes and I’ve since become slightly more optimistic after watching the last 6 episodes. But that’s my subjective experiences

Not sure if I’d consider the Hantengu fight underwhelming compared to Gyotaro and Daki when the Hantengu fight lasted for almost 7 whole episodes. Maybe the stakes just felt lower because Tanjiro and the Hashira felt like they had plot armor through the Hantengu fight compared to the fight with Gyotaro and Daki

Maybe I misread the community but Mitsuri became massively popular during and after the Swordsmith Village arc’s release. She was probably a little less popular than Rengoku and Uzui previously because most anime enjoyers are aware of the meme now with each prominent Hashira becoming widely beloved whenever their associated arc drops

And as a sidenote, I think Mitsuri was always going to be a tougher sell to mainstream anime fans because her character design may have represented negative cliches within the community. I think the Rengoku and Uzui as characters might have more cultural significance in their designs than Mitsuri

Mar 24, 2024 3:56 PM

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Dan_ALves said:

_Yotsugi_ said:

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Fate? Ufotable isn't doing any Fate anymore, are they?

They are they made a on off one hour episode recently for strange fake. And heaven feel ended in 2018. Plus they have the genshin impact anime. Most of there anime’s is fate. There’s a lot more they can cover to.

Mar 24, 2024 5:15 PM

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Dan_ALves said:

_Yotsugi_ said:

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Fate? Ufotable isn't doing any Fate anymore, are they?

They are they made a on off one hour episode recently for strange fake. And heaven feel ended in 2018. Plus they have the genshin impact anime. Most of there anime’s is fate. There’s a lot more they can cover to.

@_Yotsugi_ Strange Fake is made by A-1 Pictures, not Ufotable.

Mar 24, 2024 5:17 PM

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Oongbuh said:
@_Yotsugi_ Strange Fake is made by A-1 Pictures, not Ufotable.

Oh shit I know there making something that is nasuverse they may be taking a break from fate but there still doing nasu verse atleast then

Mar 25, 2024 5:51 AM

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Dan_ALves said:

_Yotsugi_ said:

They might have more people working on fate or something else possibly since fate is there cash cow. But probably just staff difference tbf

Fate? Ufotable isn't doing any Fate anymore, are they?

They are they made a on off one hour episode recently for strange fake. And heaven feel ended in 2018. Plus they have the genshin impact anime. Most of there anime’s is fate. There’s a lot more they can cover to.

@_Yotsugi_ Genshin has nothing to do with Fate. They certainly can do more Fate stuff, but it doesn´t seem like they´re going to.

Mar 25, 2024 6:44 AM

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Dan_ALves said:
@_Yotsugi_ Genshin has nothing to do with Fate. They certainly can do more Fate stuff, but it doesn´t seem like they´re going to.

I know. I was just naming another anime they were working on. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

Mar 25, 2024 10:26 AM

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@_Yotsugi_ Genshin has nothing to do with Fate. They certainly can do more Fate stuff, but it doesn´t seem like they´re going to.

I know. I was just naming another anime they were working on. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

@_Yotsugi_ Totally thought you were saying that. No problem, I just misunderstood.
Are they really working on that anime?

Mar 25, 2024 12:10 PM

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Dan_ALves said:
@_Yotsugi_ Genshin has nothing to do with Fate. They certainly can do more Fate stuff, but it doesn´t seem like they´re going to.

Ignore this thing

_Yotsugi_Mar 25, 2024 7:36 PM

Mar 25, 2024 4:06 PM

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@_Yotsugi_ Genshin has nothing to do with Fate. They certainly can do more Fate stuff, but it doesn´t seem like they´re going to.

Ignore this thing

@_Yotsugi_ Well, you clearly have reading problems too. Didn´t you see my answer saying it was a misunderstanding? Did you just read the answer I gave you before and assumed I answered the same thing?

"
@_Yotsugi_ Totally thought you were saying that. No problem, I just misunderstood.
Are they really working on that anime?"
I said this after your last reply. Go read it again.

Mar 25, 2024 7:35 PM

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Dan_ALves said:
@_Yotsugi_ Well, you clearly have reading problems too. Didn´t you see my answer saying it was a misunderstanding? Did you just read the answer I gave you before and assumed I answered the same thing?

"
@_Yotsugi_ Totally thought you were saying that. No problem, I just misunderstood.
Are they really working on that anime?"
I said this after your last reply. Go read it again.

Sorry mal was messing with me didn’t show that loaded when it sent me to it. Just showed the previous reply. When I clicked the thing my bad. I’ll delete the previous message. Then respond with something else.

Mar 25, 2024 7:38 PM

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Dan_ALves said:
@_Yotsugi_ Totally thought you were saying that. No problem, I just misunderstood.
Are they really working on that anime?

So there working on genshin. Also some nasuverse project. Idk which I could google it but won’t. I don’t have much interest in the nasuverse out side of fate. There taking a temp break after heaven feel probably. They have a lot on there plate.
Demon slayer
Genshin
Nasuverse project
With how good there animation is makes sense it’s taking a bit. Also genshin was said to be in project but god knows when it’s coming out if at all. But yeah

Mar 26, 2024 5:45 AM

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Dan_ALves said:
@_Yotsugi_ Totally thought you were saying that. No problem, I just misunderstood.
Are they really working on that anime?

So there working on genshin. Also some nasuverse project. Idk which I could google it but won’t. I don’t have much interest in the nasuverse out side of fate. There taking a temp break after heaven feel probably. They have a lot on there plate.
Demon slayer
Genshin
Nasuverse project
With how good there animation is makes sense it’s taking a bit. Also genshin was said to be in project but god knows when it’s coming out if at all. But yeah

@_Yotsugi_ The other Nasuverse project must be that witch movie, they dropped a teaser trailer a few weeks ago. Looks sick.
Ufotable doesn´t work on many projects at once, they´re probably focusing most of their work on Demon Slayer. I wouldn´t be surprised if they were already working on the sequel to S4.

Mar 26, 2024 12:39 PM

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It's not really losing passion, but it's not like DS had Ufotable's best staff on board to begin with. Obviously there is a lot of good animators, but Haruo Sotozaki is a generally weak director, specially for action. His episodes tend to just copy the manga and never be too crazy when it comes to storyboards.

The ACTUAL main director responsible for those big moments that exploded in the fandom is Toshiyuki Shirai. He was responsible for storyboards and direction for both of those fights, and his action ideas are infinitely better than everybody else.

@Oongbuh yep and the sakuga community hates the main director of demon slayer for being so weak or poor

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