| since a lot of fans thinks shonen are all the same and is a genre for whatever reason then what about frieren now? |
Reply to CrunchyCrobat
Umm actually (had to do it), stuff like this were alrwady in the shonen genre, for example, your lie in April, so it's not really a new thing, and tbh, it feels weird how shonen has turned into the everything genre
| @CrunchyCrobat you lie is april has action though? and you did it too you called shonen a genre but im not gonna correct you on that |
Reply to Anifan01
Frieren is not shounen. Your lie in April is not shounen. Why the hell are people giving examples of shounen with anime that aren’t shounen. In recent times only really unique shounen I can think of is Mob Psycho 100 (Vinland Saga or AoT aren’t shounen either).
| @Anifan01 its manga is release in a shonen magazine https://myanimelist.net/manga/126287/Sousou_no_Frieren |
Reply to savinduzx
not all shounen are battle shounen.
| @savinduzx true but then the term battle shonen is a made up term by western fans nobody in japan calls them battle shonen |
Reply to CrunchyCrobat
deg said:
@CrunchyCrobat you lie is april has action though? and you did it too you called shonen a genre but im not gonna correct you on that
@CrunchyCrobat you lie is april has action though? and you did it too you called shonen a genre but im not gonna correct you on that
I was gonna add the "yes I know it's a demographic" but forgot, but still, feels pretty weird for it to there, also action in your lie in April? Did we watch the same show or did action's definitions change?
| @CrunchyCrobat no idea lol i have not watch you lie in april thats why i ask |
Reply to Anifan01
deg said:
@Anifan01 its manga is release in a shonen magazine https://myanimelist.net/manga/126287/Sousou_no_Frieren
@Anifan01 its manga is release in a shonen magazine https://myanimelist.net/manga/126287/Sousou_no_Frieren
It’s not shounen
| @Anifan01 shonens, seinens, etc are labels for what magazine it was release |
Reply to Anifan01
Shounen is a Japanese term. It means boy. YLIA is not a shounen. It’s a slice of life or romance. I’m not talking about technicality here. Cause you are right since it was released in shounen magazine it’s technically right to call it a shounen but anyone who has seen YLIA will not think of Shounen when you ask them what genre it is. The whole point of genre is to give you an idea of what the story is about and saying YLIA is Shounen doesn’t give you that idea because YLIA is a Romance, a tragedy a slice of life, music related anime and even comedy to some extent. Same for Frieren. If you ask someone what genre Frieren is ain’t nobody gonna say it’s Shounen. Frieren is fantasy, slice of life hell it’s not even action even though it has action in it because the action is not the main focus of the story.
| @Anifan01 your mistake is calling shonen a genre and not just a demographic |
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| Ok, ignoring everything written above, I'll say that it's 𝘯𝘰𝘵 unique, but certainly an unusual kind of story you'd normally not find in a shonen magazine. |
Reply to AnimeIs4Kidz
@Anifan01 100% agree with this man here
It's nice to see there is some critical thinking on the forums after all.
If something has a retarded label you shouldn't use it to refer to it.
Want to see how GOOD tagging is done? go to anilist. See how friEren doesn't have the shounen tag at the top but jujustu kaisen does.
This site has no idea how to tag anime.
What other important tag is missing here? Iyashikei
It's nice to see there is some critical thinking on the forums after all.
If something has a retarded label you shouldn't use it to refer to it.
Want to see how GOOD tagging is done? go to anilist. See how friEren doesn't have the shounen tag at the top but jujustu kaisen does.
This site has no idea how to tag anime.
What other important tag is missing here? Iyashikei
| @AnimeIs4Kidz who tags them on anilist though is it the staff or the users? |
deg said: @savinduzx true but then the term battle shonen is a made up term by western fans nobody in japan calls them battle shonen you'll find that all terms are "made up" by someone. it's a useful label, so people use it, language isn't prescribed from some higher authority, it's created by the people who use it, and it regularly changes. |
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Reply to Render_1
deg said:
@savinduzx true but then the term battle shonen is a made up term by western fans nobody in japan calls them battle shonen
@savinduzx true but then the term battle shonen is a made up term by western fans nobody in japan calls them battle shonen
you'll find that all terms are "made up" by someone. it's a useful label, so people use it, language isn't prescribed from some higher authority, it's created by the people who use it, and it regularly changes.
| @Render_1 sure but there is conflict in definitions with how japan and the rest of the world sees shonen now is it? |
deg said: @Render_1 sure but there is conflict in definitions with how japan and the rest of the world sees shonen now is it? which is fine? mal doesn't have a large Japanese user base, it'd be weird to use it in a conversation with someone Japanese, but they'd be equally confused if you started speaking English half way through. loan words are rarely, if ever, used accurately to their native languages. if someone says battle shounen, we all know what they mean, and it's often FAR more useful than describing a show as shounen the demographic because yeah, there's so much variety. would saying battle anime or just action maybe make more sense? probably, but that doesn't make battle shounen problematic. also, who is the rest of the world in this context? why don't they understand? if it's because they don't speak English, I think they've got bigger problems trying to understand than a weird usage of a loan word. |
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Reply to Render_1
deg said:
@Render_1 sure but there is conflict in definitions with how japan and the rest of the world sees shonen now is it?
@Render_1 sure but there is conflict in definitions with how japan and the rest of the world sees shonen now is it?
which is fine? mal doesn't have a large Japanese user base, it'd be weird to use it in a conversation with someone Japanese, but they'd be equally confused if you started speaking English half way through.
loan words are rarely, if ever, used accurately to their native languages. if someone says battle shounen, we all know what they mean, and it's often FAR more useful than describing a show as shounen the demographic because yeah, there's so much variety.
would saying battle anime or just action maybe make more sense? probably, but that doesn't make battle shounen problematic. also, who is the rest of the world in this context? why don't they understand? if it's because they don't speak English, I think they've got bigger problems trying to understand than a weird usage of a loan word.
| @Render_1 the thing is anime is made by japan so they do not label any shonen as battle shonen thats the problem i see here and that gets confusing since frieren is shonen in japan |
deg said: @Render_1 the thing is anime is made by japan so they do not label any shonen as battle shonen thats the problem i see here and that gets confusing since frieren is shonen in japan I don't disagree with you that frieren is a shounen, it is, you're objectively right. I just don't agree with your take on battle shounen not being a useful term, though I wouldn't personally add it as a genre or theme on mal, its just useful in conversation. |
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Reply to Render_1
deg said:
@Render_1 the thing is anime is made by japan so they do not label any shonen as battle shonen thats the problem i see here and that gets confusing since frieren is shonen in japan
@Render_1 the thing is anime is made by japan so they do not label any shonen as battle shonen thats the problem i see here and that gets confusing since frieren is shonen in japan
I don't disagree with you that frieren is a shounen, it is, you're objectively right. I just don't agree with your take on battle shounen not being a useful term, though I wouldn't personally add it as a genre or theme on mal, its just useful in conversation.
| @Render_1 why though? i would personally add it as a genre on mal to avoid confusion that shonen and battle shonen are the same |
deg said: @Render_1 why though? i would personally add it as a genre on mal to avoid confusion that shonen and battle shonen are the same The mobile app should just be updated to better reflect the desktop version, where shounen is clearly labeled as a demographic, unlike on mobile where they are all just listed together. If that was the case, adding battle / battle shounen wpuld be fine. If people sitll got confused at that point, then it's kinda on them. |
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| Shounen is a demographic, not a genre. All it means is that the show is geared towards a male audience between the ages 10-18. So, to answer your question, no Frieren is not unique as there are plenty of other anime that are geared towards the Shounen demographic that aren't just the action genre. Examples of this would be, A Silent Voice, Slam Dunk, Great Teacher Onizuka, Your Lie In April, Bakuman, Nichijou, Beck, and Welcome To The Ballroom. |
| also battle shonen is called nekketsu in japan |
Reply to Anifan01
Frieren is not shounen. Your lie in April is not shounen. Why the hell are people giving examples of shounen with anime that aren’t shounen. In recent times only really unique shounen I can think of is Mob Psycho 100 (Vinland Saga or AoT aren’t shounen either).
| @Anifan01 attack on titan is a shounen just like how K-on is a seinen. |
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Reply to furikuri69
Anifan01 said:
Shounen is a Japanese term. It means boy. YLIA is not a shounen. It’s a slice of life or romance. I’m not talking about technicality here. Cause you are right since it was released in shounen magazine it’s technically right to call it a shounen but anyone who has seen YLIA will not think of Shounen when you ask them what genre it is. The whole point of genre is to give you an idea of what the story is about and saying YLIA is Shounen doesn’t give you that idea because YLIA is a Romance, a tragedy a slice of life, music related anime and even comedy to some extent. Same for Frieren. If you ask someone what genre Frieren is ain’t nobody gonna say it’s Shounen. Frieren is fantasy, slice of life hell it’s not even action even though it has action in it because the action is not the main focus of the story.
Shounen is a Japanese term. It means boy. YLIA is not a shounen. It’s a slice of life or romance. I’m not talking about technicality here. Cause you are right since it was released in shounen magazine it’s technically right to call it a shounen but anyone who has seen YLIA will not think of Shounen when you ask them what genre it is. The whole point of genre is to give you an idea of what the story is about and saying YLIA is Shounen doesn’t give you that idea because YLIA is a Romance, a tragedy a slice of life, music related anime and even comedy to some extent. Same for Frieren. If you ask someone what genre Frieren is ain’t nobody gonna say it’s Shounen. Frieren is fantasy, slice of life hell it’s not even action even though it has action in it because the action is not the main focus of the story.
romance and slice of life are genres, shonen is not. shonen is the term for what age and gender demographic the anime/manga is intended to be consumed by. your lie in April and frieren are shonen because they are intended to be viewed by younger teenage boys, just like how chainsaw man, attack on titan, and mob psycho are shonen as well.
| @furikuri69 I would very surprised if Freiren isn't more popular with an older demographic even if it's in a Shonen magazine, the story is certainly not written for a teenage demographic even if it is there. It's entirely possible it's in a Shonen magazine so it gets more reach(since they are more popular) rather than the author thinking that's the ideal intended audience. |
Reply to Anifan01
Shounen is a Japanese term. It means boy. YLIA is not a shounen. It’s a slice of life or romance. I’m not talking about technicality here. Cause you are right since it was released in shounen magazine it’s technically right to call it a shounen but anyone who has seen YLIA will not think of Shounen when you ask them what genre it is. The whole point of genre is to give you an idea of what the story is about and saying YLIA is Shounen doesn’t give you that idea because YLIA is a Romance, a tragedy a slice of life, music related anime and even comedy to some extent. Same for Frieren. If you ask someone what genre Frieren is ain’t nobody gonna say it’s Shounen. Frieren is fantasy, slice of life hell it’s not even action even though it has action in it because the action is not the main focus of the story.
| @Anifan01 Shonen is a demographic, not a genre. |
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