Why are the animations so bad?

MadanielFL said:
The last great Mappa anime was Idaten Deities. 

ktg said:
Lol, even with its mistakes, it has better quality than CSM or JJK S2 has. JJK S1 is better, but that's better than all 3 of these.
And they are weak, because they produced them after taking over SnK. After that there was a pretty obvious drop in quality.
The only show that was produced after that and has good quality all in all is Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi.

demonaman293 said:

u should go and watch the shibuya arc trailer jjk s2 has the best animation till now watch in 4k

CreepHazard said:

Bro doesn't understand MAPPA's working system and decided to pull this out of his ass

ktg said:

Bro keep repeating the same shit without any proof and couldn't even refute a single thing.

No, even MAPPA mentioned this in an interview that they need to change their working system after taking over SnK, because there were too many people leaving and they wouldn't be able to adapt anything. So, MAPPA perfectly knows that there's problem and you can tell this by their productions. You are actually calling MAPPA a liar here.

MadanielFL said:
The last great Mappa anime was Idaten Deities. 

Gui_silva23 said:
They wasted all of their resources on vinland saga and jujutsu s2
Plus most of the Anime was outsourced to China, which would always made the animation worse
And their schedule was really bad too
That's all the factors that made the animation bad

Zimzky said:

Wasting resources on vinland saga? how is that a waste?

Gui_silva23 said:

It's a expression
You can also say "used" but "wasted" felt more appropriate in the phrase

Zimzky said:

Wasting implies that it's spent poorly. At least for me. Maybe it's different for you.

Gui_silva23 said:

In my language used and wasted means the same thing, I should've had searched if it made sense in English before writing it. Sorry

ktg said:

No, animation-wise they are weaker. You could have at least read my longer explanation where I mentioned examples.
Btw, it is a pretty bad argument that YOU didn't notice anything. Like if I say I didn't notice anything in Ex-Arm, then it is better than any of these shows?

While what you call inconsistency, is probably the style of the show. The inconsistencies were pretty regular, they were consistently there, consistently inconsistent (aside from some actual mistakes).

ktg said:

That's a pretty bad take, because it actually proves that YOU don't have any knowledge.
Everything you said about Jigokuraku does not necessarily mean that the quality drops because of those. Shaft used to having the worst schedule while they were animating Monogatari series or Madoka Magica and those shows still look really good. And Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi is also not as big as JJK, but still it's the best MAPPA animation from the recent years. This pretty much refutes your stupid take.

As for JJK S2, they had to make the characters' design more simple compared to S1, because they wouldn't have been able to keep with the schedule. So, they obviously lowered the animation quality. You can see this lack of details in shadings and lights on the characters. For example:
S1 (flashback): https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2022/09/14d2e-16641961761018-1920.jpg
S2: https://cdn.oneesports.gg/cdn-data/2023/07/Anime_JujutsuKaisen_Season2_GojoSatoru_GetoSuguru_GegeAkutami.jpg
The quality of the pictures isn't the greatest but you can still see the difference.
Obviously there are some aspects where the animation is better like the background, but the most important part is the characters and that's worse.

As for CSM, they used CGI heavily, while they are fully aware that their CGI isn't the greatest. It's relatively weak compared to other studios. It's not necessarily a problem, because they did everything to hide it, but this heavy use introduced a lot of mistakes, because the 2d and 3d integration broke a couple of times.
Here's one example: https://prnt.sc/it1B9lwiPQqV

So, it is pretty obvious that there are mistakes and pretty obvious that you failed to recognize those or you just lied about them for whatever reason. In either case, your take is pretty invalid if we are talking about animation.


That's how you know it's not a bait. These are facts.

AwokenStroken said:
It didn't look abhorrent or anything but I really hate how crappa will heavily prioritize some series over others. It feels disrespectful to the people who made the source material to have their passion project that they put everything into being turned into rushed out, B-team seasonal shlock.

Maybe they'll care more on season 2.

K-Arlovski said:
Imo it was acceptable but i agree that we shouldnt let mappa downgrade their animation blatantly and get away with it scott free. How far will this cascade of cheapness go?

Yetikils said:

Always going back to Ex-Arm is kinda sad… looks like you just want to have your way of thinking, always bringing back the same argument, which isnt even in the discussion… if you have watched Ex-Arm, then you can at least say that JJK and CSM are not as bad as that thing… Comparing this show with Mappa shows is just not relevant on anyway... It’s just not on the same level of animation… Try to listen to others and not be stuck in your Ex-Arm bubble, see what the others have to say, without throwing shade… Have a nice viewing experience on your next shows ! ;) (Sorry if my english is bad, I’m french)

DexterDrubo said:

First of all, simpler art style doesn't make quality bad lmao. I love less detailed art style. Anime like Haikyu, DBS Movie, Naruto's fight used this style and it looks good. Also it's kinda obvious the style is to portray the past (as the color and style already differs from the Shibuya Arc trailer). Art Style is subjective.
JJK had better pacing, animation, VA, Direction etc than Hell's Paradise.

CGI is also animation and it wasn't as used as you think and it was well made too. Even demon slayer used CGI. Chainsaw Man animation, quality, details, VA..everything was off the chart (just watch the Aki household chore scene).

If you wanna talk about details then get lost cuz that doesn't necessarily upgrade or degrade the quality.

I don't even know how you said Hell's Paradise had better quality (see the scene whr the little girl was crying) or see how inconsistent the animation was throughout the anime and the pacing was also bad by the end.

CreepHazard said:

"deep breath"
1. Link the interview
2. You still think the same animators churn out AOT, CSM, JJK and all other MAPPA anime? Do you you even know about production pipelines? And the AOT thing wasn't even MAPPA's fault. I mean they could've just not picked it up, but it's the production committee that rushed the production and gave an early deadline to WIT Studio that literally made them drop their biggest IP
3. How is that even remotely related to you having extensive knowledge about how anime is made and how MAPPA works?
I dunno how baiters get so much fun off getting insulted? Is this masochism?

ktg said:

"deeperererererer breath"
1. About how the taking over happened: https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/1313783185344348160
An interview about the "unprecedented workload": https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1885311&msgid=61536959
Comment on the Part 3 split from MAPPA: https://animehunch.com/mappa-reveal-why-they-decide-to-release-attack-on-titan-final-seasons-part-3/
2. If this is the question you want to ask me, then you have no idea how a company works. No, I've never said that the same staff worked on these projects, but a company create a framework and every projects exist within that framework. For example, if you operate a company with a rule like "the highest number of animators that are allowed to work on an episode is 5", then it doesn't matter if it's a same staff or not, all of your projects have issues because of this rule. The way MAPPA operates affect these projects and that's the outcome we see.
It's like you've never even worked for a company, because you have clearly no idea about internal processes and rules.
3. It's pretty simply. What I'm saying here is that same as what MAPPA said. So if you think I'm lying, then you implicitly say MAPPA is lying. That's the point. Because I understood that you are a troll, I decided that it is better if you try to argue with what MAPPA said and not exactly what I said, because at the end of the day even if I had 20 years experience in animating, you would still call me a liar or call me stupid without any proof. Because that's what a troll does, that's what you do.

Btw, it is pretty cute that you think you insulted me with this comment. Like in point #2 when it turned out that you have no idea how companies work. Not just japanese studios, but any company on the whole planet.
You just made fun of yourself. :)

ktg said:

"First of all", it does make but not bad, just worse. Okay, okay, it usually does make it worse. There are some extreme examples like comparing a highly detailed static image to animation. But normally if you have a highly detailed animation that was animated on 2s compared to a less detailed animation that was animated on 1s, then the formal is better.

Second, your examples are bad, because no, in DBS Goku's hair had more detail than the whole character had in JJK S2. Haikyuu has more detail than JJK S2 and when Haikyuu had less detail in S4, everyone complained about the "bad" animation, which clearly means that I'm right about this.
In Naruto it's actually true, but even the hardcore fans say that it made the animation bad. The memes about Naruto's characters where you can see how fk'd up they looked where always during fights.

Third, JJK S1 had better animation than Jigokuraku, but sadly, not S2. VA'ing was the same in both show. Pacing is pretty subjective, so you are talking about your taste and direction was pretty similar all in all. I mean JJK S1 direction was worse than Jigokuraku's, because in JJK S1 we got the basic shounen route. JJK S2 direction was better than Jigokuraku's, but these are too small changes to make any different.

Fourth, I've never said that CGI is not animation and no, it wasn't as well made as you think. In CGI, I don't exactly know how anime studios handle in-betweens, but there were mistakes there. Btw, you seems like you think I don't like CG, which is not true and I wasn't talking about that either. I have no problem with CG. I think Trigun Stampede, Houseki no Kuni looked great, both of them CGI shows. The problem is when a studio can't handle CGI that well and still uses it.
CSM was a great example how not to use CGI when you don't have the necessary knowledge to handle it, because it will create mistakes that you will miss if you don't know what you are doing. Like this:
https://prnt.sc/it1B9lwiPQqV
This problems only happens when you fk up the 2d and 3d integration.

Yes, the details matter, because every fights of the year scene were highly detailed in the last like 20 years in the anime industry. In the usual course of animation details really matter and it's easily change your animation quality. Like I mentioned before, there are some extreme example where it doesn't or it has the opposite effect, but we are not talking about those cases.

You are calling Jigokuraku's STYLE inconsistency. That's the different. Jigokuraku's was REGULARLY inconsistent, it was CONSISTENTLY inconsistent and when it is consistent, then it can't be an inconsistency issue. They went with this junky style that looked unique compared to other shows. Obviously there were other mistakes, but it's still better than CSM or JJK S2, while JJK S1 is still better than Jigokuraku.

Mitsuru-Senpaii said:
Without throwing shade or anything, but I'm genuine interested why the animations of Jigokuraku feel so bad. I thought the show is from MAPPA, but this looks nothing like the quality Jujutsu Kaisen or Chainsaw Man provided. Does anyone know what the reasons might be?