| I see people talk about mainstream anime here, but what classifies mainstream anime? Anime as a medium isn't exactly mainstream in most places so would a mainstream anime have to be an anime that is not only popular within the anime fandom but is also well-known and liked outside of the anime fandom? like for example Ghibli films and shows like AoT? |
| Maybe it's like: A series that is known by most anime fans and a lot of them have watched it. |
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| Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. |
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| And berserk its also counted mainstream anime tho, but if we talk about statistic every anime who contains member at least 10% from no 1 top popularity in MAL except for new anime like AOT possess 3.7m it means every anime which have members over 370k can be categorized as Mainstream tho |
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takamono said: but how is that mainstream though? like WE have an interest in anime so we will see things that in general society is relatively unknown. Just like how most musicians and music otaku will have listened to the Pixies but general society hasn't.Maybe it's like: A series that is known by most anime fans and a lot of them have watched it. Spunkert said: Dragonball and Dragonball Z, Digimon, Sailor Moon, Speed Racer, Astroboy, etc.Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. |
ISeeLifePeople said: My guy you should get out more, for example, go to a party that isn't full of weebs and ask them if they know what Berserk is and then ask them if they know what Attack on Titan is, I guarantee you 90-95% won't know what Berserk is but at least 70% will have heard of Attack on Titan.And berserk its also counted mainstream anime tho, but if we talk about statistic every anime who contains member at least 10% from no 1 top popularity in MAL except for new anime like AOT possess 3.7m it means every anime which have members over 370k can be categorized as Mainstream tho |
struggler_sensei said: I dont think those animes are that popular in most of the world. Maybe in the US and and few other countries. No one in my country have ever heard about Astroboy for example.Spunkert said: Dragonball and Dragonball Z, Digimon, Sailor Moon, Speed Racer, Astroboy, etc.Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. |
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struggler_sensei said: That's exactly my thought, mainstream ___ doesn't necessarily need to be famous outside of the ___ community, this can apply to any fandom.takamono said: but how is that mainstream though? like WE have an interest in anime so we will see things that in general society is relatively unknown. Just like how most musicians and music otaku will have listened to the Pixies but general society hasn't.Maybe it's like: A series that is known by most anime fans and a lot of them have watched it. Spunkert said: Dragonball and Dragonball Z, Digimon, Sailor Moon, Speed Racer, Astroboy, etc.Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. I think mainstream simply means popular ones within the community. |
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struggler_sensei said: ISeeLifePeople said: My guy you should get out more, for example, go to a party that isn't full of weebs and ask them if they know what Berserk is and then ask them if they know what Attack on Titan is, I guarantee you 90-95% won't know what Berserk is but at least 70% will have heard of Attack on Titan.And berserk its also counted mainstream anime tho, but if we talk about statistic every anime who contains member at least 10% from no 1 top popularity in MAL except for new anime like AOT possess 3.7m it means every anime which have members over 370k can be categorized as Mainstream tho Seriously bfr i entered anime community or made mal account idk whats AOT lolll i only know anime in general like dragon ball, naruto, hxh, etc also assume it as ULTRA POPULAR show since no matter how old or young u are, u can easily recognize and mention it only through their merchandise despite u dont own it or never watch show intentionally at the time |
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| Mainstream to me would be an anime that people who don't typically watch anime have seen or have at least heard of. For example, AoT, Kimetsu no Yaiba, etc. It depends where you are though of course. |
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| The same as what is mainstream in other types of media: Popular, widely advertised and accessible content that the majority of the audience is aware of. I wouldn't say Miyazaki is mainstream anime. Rather, it is the mainstream in a more general sense. I've seen more Ghibli fans outside of the anime fandom than within it. |
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| As soon as I watch it, it's mainstream to me. I watched Angel's Egg last week and now it's mainstream to me. Of course it's probably not actually mainstream. It just seems that way to me as soon as I'm familiar with it. What should really constitute as mainstream is probably, as you've already said, something that's well-known by those who don't even watch anime. Like Death Note. Attack on Titan. Pokemon. Et cetera. |
Spunkert said: if by a few other countries you mean the entire South and North American continents and Europe, cause Dragon Ball Z is pretty well known all over those.I dont think those animes are that popular in most of the world. Maybe in the US and and few other countries. No one in my country have ever heard about Astroboy for example. takamono said: Considering that the definition of mainstream means "the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are shared by most people and regarded as normal or conventional." I don't think it does especially since most people aren't anime fans.That's exactly my thought, mainstream ___ doesn't necessarily need to be famous outside of the ___ community, this can apply to any fandom. I think mainstream simply means popular ones within the community. Saku_kMainstream to me would be an anime that people who don't typically watch anime have seen or have at least heard of. For example, AoT, Kimetsu no Yaiba, etc. It where you are though of course. My thoughts exactly |
struggler_sensei said: Well where i live (wich is a place in Europe, not gonna say where) DBZ is not that well known.Spunkert said: if by a few other countries you mean the entire South and North American continents and Europe, cause Dragon Ball Z is pretty well known all over those.I dont think those animes are that popular in most of the world. Maybe in the US and and few other countries. No one in my country have ever heard about Astroboy for example. |
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Spunkert said: well, I've lived in 3 different countries in Europe and visited 3 more and DBZ has been well-known in all of them. So It may just be where you are.Well where i live (wich is a place in Europe, not gonna say where) DBZ is not that well known. |
struggler_sensei said: Let me guess, you visited some of the more famous places in Europe?Spunkert said: well, I've lived in 3 different countries in Europe and visited 3 more and DBZ has been well-known in all of them. So It may just be where you are.Well where i live (wich is a place in Europe, not gonna say where) DBZ is not that well known. |
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Spunkert said: It's a mix, I'm from Spain but have lived in the U.K and Sweden and I've been to France, Denmark, and Poland (been to more places but I was a child so I don't count that). But I mean even in my dad's podunk Manchegan village they know of Dragon Ball Z.Let me guess, you visited some of the more famous places in Europe? |
| @ISeeLifePeople , I've heard for the first time about Berserk from a guy who was not a fan of anime or manga in general, and presented rather hostile stance towards anything that was Japanese animation or comicbook, excluding Berserk, lol. Berserk is one of the most mainstream seinens out there ("baby's first seinen manga", as some people call it if they want to sound cheeky), and over the years became something I'd call as mainstream. Especially in the recent years, due to the rising popularity of soulslike genre. By that, many players who were totally not into manga before at least could hear that something like Berserk exists and how it inspired Dark Souls or Elden Ring. Saku_k said: Mainstream to me would be an anime that people who don't typically watch anime have seen or have at least heard of. For example, AoT, Kimetsu no Yaiba, etc. It where you are though of course. Agreed. "Mainstream" is a vague term, but one can minimize its vagueness by applying certain factors to the definition, like i.e. probability of people hearing about certain show, even if they were completely not interested in the type of entertainment that that show presents. |
struggler_sensei said: Well those places probably have a huge enough population and strong enough economy that the Japanese export a lot of their media out there. You wont see that much anime get exported to smaller European countries like Iceland, Malta, Luxembourg ect or poorer countries like Moldova, Kosovo, North Macedonia ect, since not that many will be that interesting in consuming it and they would not get that much of a profit out of it.Spunkert said: It's a mix, I'm from Spain but have lived in the U.K and Sweden and I've been to France, Denmark, and Poland (been to more places but I was a child so I don't count that). But I mean even in my dad's podunk Manchegan village they know of Dragon Ball Z.Let me guess, you visited some of the more famous places in Europe? |
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| Yeah, I would say mainstream anime are anime which are not only watched by anime fans, but also known and watched by non-animefans. Examples for this would be Dragonball or Attack on Titan. Death Note is a popular anime inside the anime-community, but I don't know anyone outside of it who watched it. |
Spunkert said: Strong economy? Spain? bruh.... Well those places probably have a huge enough population and strong enough economy that the Japanese export a lot of their media out there. You wont see that much anime get exported to smaller European countries like Iceland, Malta, Luxembourg ect or poorer countries like Moldova, Kosovo, North Macedonia ect, since not that many will be that interesting in consuming it and they would not get that much of a profit out of it. Also, exported? all these countries have the internet, and also I have loads of Balkan friends and they know what Dragon Ball Z is. |
| Definitely what others said, Dragon Ball, AoT and Demon Slayer. I mean, whenever I see someone in public with anime related shirts or stickers on their cars, it's always one of these three. Even in the few anime stores I've gone into out of curiosity, there's barely anything else in there besides merchandise of these, and on figure sites too, stuff of those three are always on the most purchased tabs. |
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| Any anime that a lot of people with a decent general knowledge would know the name of (and know that it's popular) regardless of whether they have an interest in anime or not. It usually depends on the location and time period. That's my definition of it anyway. |
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struggler_sensei said: Spain still has a huge enough population. Also while most countries do have the internet most of the people there wont search up anime to watch and the few people who do it will for the most part do pirating. Also were all of those Balkan friends of yours anime fans?Spunkert said: Strong economy? Spain? bruh.... Well those places probably have a huge enough population and strong enough economy that the Japanese export a lot of their media out there. You wont see that much anime get exported to smaller European countries like Iceland, Malta, Luxembourg ect or poorer countries like Moldova, Kosovo, North Macedonia ect, since not that many will be that interesting in consuming it and they would not get that much of a profit out of it. Also, exported? all these countries have the internet, and also I have loads of Balkan friends and they know what Dragon Ball Z is. |
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Spunkert said: Spain has a population of around 50 million that's pretty mid considering the country's size. France which is around the same size has 20 million more the UK which is half its size also has 20 million more and Germany which is also smaller than Spain has almost double Spain's population, with those things considered Spain isn't actually that populated, overall Spain has a smaller population density than Albania.Spain still has a huge enough population. Also while most countries do have the internet most of the people there wont search up anime to watch and the few people who do it will for the most part do pirating. Also were all of those Balkan friends of yours anime fans? And no they are not anime fans, 90% of my friends don't watch anime. |
struggler_sensei said: 50 millions is still a lot. And what do you mean with that Spain have a smaller population density than Albania? Spain overall still have a way more people in it than Albania. And what do the size of the countries have to do with anything that we are talking about?Spunkert said: Spain has a population of around 50 million that's pretty mid considering the country's size. France which is around the same size has 20 million more the UK which is half its size also has 20 million more and Germany which is also smaller than Spain has almost double Spain's population, with those things considered Spain isn't actually that populated, overall Spain has a smaller population density than Albania.Spain still has a huge enough population. Also while most countries do have the internet most of the people there wont search up anime to watch and the few people who do it will for the most part do pirating. Also were all of those Balkan friends of yours anime fans? And no they are not anime fans, 90% of my friends don't watch anime. |
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Spunkert said: as of 2020, Albania has a population density of 107 people per square kilometer, and Spain has a population density of 99 people per square kilometer. The vast majority of Spain is very lowly populated.50-60 millions is still a lot. And what do you mean with that Spain have a smalle population density than Albania? Spain overall still have a way more people in it than Albania. |
struggler_sensei said: And? What do this have anything to do with Anime getting exported to certain countries?Spunkert said: as of 2020, Albania has a population density of 107 people per square kilometer, and Spain has a population density of 99 people per square kilometer. The vast majority of Spain is very lowly populated.50-60 millions is still a lot. And what do you mean with that Spain have a smalle population density than Albania? Spain overall still have a way more people in it than Albania. |
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Spunkert said: That population isn't really a metric for what shows get broadcast on television. struggler_sensei said: And? What do this have anything to do with Anime getting exported to certain countries?as of 2020, Albania has a population density of 107 people per square kilometer, and Spain has a population density of 99 people per square kilometer. The vast majority of Spain is very lowly populated. |
struggler_sensei said: takamono said: but how is that mainstream though? like WE have an interest in anime so we will see things that in general society is relatively unknown. Just like how most musicians and music otaku will have listened to the Pixies but general society hasn't.Maybe it's like: A series that is known by most anime fans and a lot of them have watched it. Agree with Takamono, If you don't watch Fantasy LOTR/Game of Thrones will not be available in general society either, you'd be surprised on how many people I know personally who haven't seen them, same goes for other stuff such as Private Ryan, Gladiator, Godfather [I haven't seen it], Marvel Universe [Haven't seen 90% of it], Star Wars and so on. [Specially typed SW as I notice the Django Fett Reference in your profile x)] They are not available in general society too, and somehow I wouldn't be surprised if you would call them mainstream so what makes anime and non-anime different by your view? IN addition to what Takmono said I'd also add that an anime which is also known outside the anime community, from my own family so far I am the only one who is inside the anime community, no one else knows very much about it, my cousin recognises for example My Hero Academia, my Mother still remembers the name of Naruto and the fact that it was about ninja and most likely outside my own family alot of people might be familiar with Demon Slayer/Attack on Titan etc. |
Zettaiken said: my guy even if people haven't read lotr/asoiaf or watched star wars or Marvel movies they still know what they are cause they are a part of mainstream pop culture, the same with Pokemon, Dragonball z, sailor moon etc. but most people outside of anime have never heard of things like berserk, goodnight punpun, monster, LoGH, etc.Agree with Takamono, If you don't watch Fantasy LOTR/Game of Thrones will not be available in general society either, you'd be surprised on how many people I know personally who haven't seen them, same goes for other stuff such as Private Ryan, Gladiator, Godfather [I haven't seen it], Marvel Universe [Haven't seen 90% of it], Star Wars and so on. [Specially typed SW as I notice the Django Fett Reference in your profile x)] They are not available in general society too, and somehow I wouldn't be surprised if you would call them mainstream so what makes anime and non-anime different by your view? IN addition to what Takmono said I'd also add that an anime which is also known outside the anime community, from my own family so far I am the only one who is inside the anime community, no one else knows very much about it, my cousin recognises for example My Hero Academia, my Mother still remembers the name of Naruto and the fact that it was about ninja and most likely outside my own family alot of people might be familiar with Demon Slayer/Attack on Titan etc. |
struggler_sensei said: my guy even if people haven't read lotr/asoiaf or watched star wars or Marvel movies they still know what they are cause they are a part of mainstream pop culture, the same with Pokemon, Dragonball z, sailor moon etc. but most people outside of anime have never heard of things like berserk, goodnight punpun, monster, LoGH, etc. And how many people outside Fantasy/Sci Fi/Other movies has heard about about Bone and Shadow, Stranger Things, Star Trek, Avatar, Labirynth, Excalibur, Conan the Barbarian, Monty Python, Wizard Oz. As much as I agree that some of anime are never heard of outside anime community, we can exactly the same say about movies and tv shows so what is the point at it at all? As you called by yourself that Pokemon, Dragonabll, Sailor Moon are Mainstream and your main question was to know What is the mainstream anime , through the posts and comments there you've simply even answered yourself. |
struggler_sensei said: Yes it is. If a tv show do not get that many viewership then it will get taken off air. Anime for now just isn't as profitable to air in certain countries. Spunkert said: That population isn't really a metric for what shows get broadcast on television. And? What do this have anything to do with Anime getting exported to certain countries? |
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| I guess Pokémon, Dragon Ball, Full Metal Alchemist, Sailor Moon, Attack on Titan and the likes are generally pretty well known. Like I can find manga and anime of those series aplenty down in the southwest of the UK. Not a place teeming with Anime fans. Even Berserk is pretty abundant - a lot of those omnibuses. |
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Zettaiken said: Literally most people have heard of stranger things, star trek, Monty Python, and the Wizard of Oz. And you mean Excalibur as in King Arthur's Excalibur? literally, everyone and their grandma knows what Excalibur is. And how many people outside Fantasy/Sci Fi/Other movies has heard about about Bone and Shadow, Stranger Things, Star Trek, Avatar, Labirynth, Excalibur, Conan the Barbarian, Monty Python, Wizard Oz. As much as I agree that some of anime are never heard of outside anime community, we can exactly the same say about movies and tv shows so what is the point at it at all? As you called by yourself that Pokemon, Dragonabll, Sailor Moon are Mainstream and your main question was to know What is the mainstream anime , through the posts and comments there you've simply even answered yourself. Well I was asking the community since I've seen people calling shows that only the weebiest of weebs know mainstream. |
Spunkert said: If a show like for example pokemon is a hit in Japan, and then the US, and then the UK and so on and so on then every single kids tv network that is able to secure the rights to pokemon is going to air it. doesn't matter if you're in Andora, Chile, or South Africa.Yes it is. If a tv show do not get that many viewership then it will get taken off air. Anime for now just isn't as profitable to air in certain countries. |
struggler_sensei said: And thats why i said Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. Also Pokemon is just one anime.Spunkert said: If a show like for example pokemon is a hit in Japan, and then the US, and then the UK and so on and so on then every single kids tv network that is able to secure the rights to pokemon is going to air it. doesn't matter if you're in Andora, Chile, or South Africa.Yes it is. If a tv show do not get that many viewership then it will get taken off air. Anime for now just isn't as profitable to air in certain countries. |
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struggler_sensei said: Zettaiken said: Literally most people have heard of stranger things, star trek, Monty Python, and the Wizard of Oz. And you mean Excalibur as in King Arthur's Excalibur? literally, everyone and their grandma knows what Excalibur is. And how many people outside Fantasy/Sci Fi/Other movies has heard about about Bone and Shadow, Stranger Things, Star Trek, Avatar, Labirynth, Excalibur, Conan the Barbarian, Monty Python, Wizard Oz. As much as I agree that some of anime are never heard of outside anime community, we can exactly the same say about movies and tv shows so what is the point at it at all? As you called by yourself that Pokemon, Dragonabll, Sailor Moon are Mainstream and your main question was to know What is the mainstream anime , through the posts and comments there you've simply even answered yourself. Well I was asking the community since I've seen people calling shows that only the weebiest of weebs know mainstream. Exaclibur is a movie from 1981 and I know personally people who do not know what exactly is Star Trek and never heard of it, same for Monty Python which is not as popular as you think x) The fact that you couldn't tell that I am mentioning the movie instead the legendary sword name, says already that this movie is not mainstream even tho I guess it was some sort popular there is even a movie from 1953 about similar topic, same as you've mentioned about anime x). I didn't mention there the Artorian Legend as alot of people know the basic/most popular topics of history such as Ancient Rome/Greek etc. [Because they are mainstream, but it doesn't mean that people know such movies as Excalibur, King Arthur from 2004, Spartacus, Ben Hur etc.] |
| I think an anime that's big, even outside the fanbase. Like in the early 2000's, you didn't have to be an Otaku to know and have watched Pokemon. |
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Saku_k said: I think of it in the same exact way as you. Mainstream to me would be an anime that people who don't typically watch anime have seen or have at least heard of. For example, AoT, Kimetsu no Yaiba, etc. It depends where you are though of course. |
Spunkert said: Well my point is that shows like Dragonball Z and sailer moon are also known in a shit ton of countries. Literally, ask any latin american who isnt over 35 if they know what dragon ball z is and they will most likely know it.And thats why i said Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. Also Pokemon is just one anime. Zettaiken said: most people at least in the west have some knowledge of start trek even if they have never seen it, it's been around since the 60'sExaclibur is a movie from 1981 and I know personally people who do not know what exactly is Star Trek and never heard of it, same for Monty Python which is not as popular as you think x) The fact that you couldn't tell that I am mentioning the movie instead the legendary sword name, says already that this movie is not mainstream even tho I guess it was some sort popular there is even a movie from 1953 about similar topic, same as you've mentioned about anime x). I didn't mention there the Artorian Legend as alot of people know the basic/most popular topics of history such as Ancient Rome/Greek etc. [Because they are mainstream, but it doesn't mean that people know such movies as Excalibur, King Arthur from 2004, Spartacus, Ben Hur etc.] |
struggler_sensei said: Latin America is not the whole world.Spunkert said: Well my point is that shows like Dragonball Z and sailer moon are also known in a shit ton of countries. Literally, ask any latin american who isnt over 35 if they know what dragon ball z is and they will most likely know it.And thats why i said Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. Also Pokemon is just one anime. |
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Spunkert said: No but add the U.S, Canada, Western and Northern Europe, and Japan, and thats a pretty large chunk.struggler_sensei said: Latin America is not the whole world.Well my point is that shows like Dragonball Z and sailer moon are also known in a shit ton of countries. Literally, ask any latin american who isnt over 35 if they know what dragon ball z is and they will most likely know it. |
struggler_sensei said: Spunkert said: Well my point is that shows like Dragonball Z and sailer moon are also known in a shit ton of countries. Literally, ask any latin american who isnt over 35 if they know what dragon ball z is and they will most likely know it.And thats why i said Pokemon is the only anime that i can think of that is popular in the whole world. Also Pokemon is just one anime. Zettaiken said: most people at least in the west have some knowledge of start trek even if they have never seen it, it's been around since the 60'sExaclibur is a movie from 1981 and I know personally people who do not know what exactly is Star Trek and never heard of it, same for Monty Python which is not as popular as you think x) The fact that you couldn't tell that I am mentioning the movie instead the legendary sword name, says already that this movie is not mainstream even tho I guess it was some sort popular there is even a movie from 1953 about similar topic, same as you've mentioned about anime x). I didn't mention there the Artorian Legend as alot of people know the basic/most popular topics of history such as Ancient Rome/Greek etc. [Because they are mainstream, but it doesn't mean that people know such movies as Excalibur, King Arthur from 2004, Spartacus, Ben Hur etc.] Well so now you have a view how it looks in the east [central Europe] Star Trek is not popular in Poland and still isn't you might wonder why so here is the answer which I've read from article: When it was airing at 60s in the west, USRR did not allow to broadcast it in Poland, in exchange people could watch in 70s the tv series called Space: 1999, even tho Star Trek New Generation was broadcasted normally people did not watch it cause most people haven't heard about it. Same goes for Doctor Who which in Poland was finally aired at 90s and originally it was in 1963 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(season_1) , although Star Wars was broadcasted 2 years later which is why in Poland people will be more familiar with Star Wars and unfamiliar with Star Trek. Which is why Star Trek might be a mainstream in America/Western Europe, but it wasn't mainstream in Communistic part of the world back than x). |
Zettaiken said: Well, I coulda guessed this. That said it's funny cause Star Trek gets shit in the West for promoting communism since it portrays a classless, moneyless society, and even its creator Gene Roddenberry identified as a communist (though he apparently exploited his workers quite a bit his praxis was pretty shit). So who knows maybe the USSR didnt want people questioning where the communism shown in Star Trek was cause they sure as hell didn't have food replicators.Well so now you have a view how it looks in the east [central Europe] Star Trek is not popular in Poland and still isn't you might wonder why so here is the answer which I've read from article: When it was airing at 60s in the west, USRR did not allow to broadcast it in Poland, in exchange people could watch in 70s the tv series called Space: 1999, even tho Star Trek New Generation was broadcasted normally people did not watch it cause no one heard of it. Same goes for Doctor Who which in Poland was finally aired at 90s and originally it was in 1963 -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(season_1) , although Star Wars was broadcasted 2 years later which is why in Poland people will be more familiar with Star Wars and unfamiliar with Star Trek. Which is why Star Trek might be a mainstream in America/Western Europe, but it wasn't mainstream in Communistic part of the world back than x). |
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