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Dec 6, 2022 2:23 AM
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Subjects of Ymir -an ethnic group descended from Ymir Fritz and the only race that was capable of becoming Titans.

All subjects of ymir came from ymir's daughters Maria, Rose and Sheena.

Royal blood = Fritz blond line
Ymir x Fritz= maria, Rose, Sheena
Maria x 'Y', Rose x 'Y' & Sheena x 'Y' = subjects of Ymir
(Y= Male who mated with fritz daughters)

Thus, all subjects of ymir have fritz blood in their body so, Eren Also has Royal blood I suppose? Is this explained in final season part 3?
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what the fuck he doesn't have royal blood
Dec 6, 2022 2:38 AM
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No, pretty sure it is already mentioned on the anime
Dec 6, 2022 2:41 AM
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OzeNix said:
No, pretty sure it is already mentioned on the anime


In which season?
What episode?
(character limit)
Dec 6, 2022 2:46 AM
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Cannot remember exact moment,

But they mentioned that you need royal blood to control founder titan power which eren cannot.

Seek said he has royal blood that why Eren need Seek, and Seek also need Eren.

They try so hard to meet each other on Ss4 part2
Dec 6, 2022 2:58 AM
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Izanionisan said:
Subjects of Ymir -an ethnic group descended from Ymir Fritz and the only race that was capable of becoming Titans.

All subjects of ymir came from ymir's daughters Maria, Rose and Sheena.

Royal blood = Fritz blond line
Ymir x Fritz= maria, Rose, sina
Maria x 'Y', Rose x 'Y' & Sheena x 'Y' = subjects of Ymir
(Y= Male who mated with fritz daughters)

Thus, all subjects of ymir have fritz blood in their body so, Eren Also has Royal blood I suppose? Is this explained in final season part 3?

haven't read manga so I wouldn't know if it's explained, but because it's been 2000 years the blood has probabky been diluted to the point where it doesn't have strong enough effect. it's like how all humans share common ancestors and everybody in the world technically has royal blood, but still not considered to be in the royal family. all subjects of ymir have royal blood but only the main line has a strong enough effect is what I think.
Dec 6, 2022 2:59 AM
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Royal blood has been diluted over centuries due to cross breeding and now only few still have it's potency. There is a reason why Reiss confined themselves beneath the chapel.
Eren never had royal blood despite being Subject of Ymir.
Dec 6, 2022 3:11 AM
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Cryptcat said:
all subjects of ymir have royal blood but only the main line has a strong enough effect is what I think.


How do they differentiate the main line that has strong enough effect?
Do they do a blood test?

Piromysl said:
Royal blood has been diluted over centuries due to cross breeding and now only few still have it's potency. There is a reason why Reiss confined themselves beneath the chapel.
Eren never had royal blood despite being Subject of Ymir.


I don't get it.
Zeke and historia are crossbreed
So, why only a certain number of people have royal blood after 2000yrs ?
How do they they figure out the royal blood who are capable for using the Founding titan?
Dec 6, 2022 3:14 AM
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Izanionisan said:
Cryptcat said:
all subjects of ymir have royal blood but only the main line has a strong enough effect is what I think.


How do they differentiate the main line that has strong enough effect?
Do they do a blood test?

Piromysl said:
Royal blood has been diluted over centuries due to cross breeding and now only few still have it's potency. There is a reason why Reiss confined themselves beneath the chapel.
Eren never had royal blood despite being Subject of Ymir.


I don't get it.
Zeke and historia are crossbreed
So, why only a certain number of people have royal blood after 2000yrs ?
How do they they figure out the royal blood who are capable for using the Founding titan?

I wouldn't know exact details as I didn't write the manga but it's literally just that the royal blood most subject of ymir have just isn't strong enough. Why do you think us "normal" humans aren't considered "royal" despite still having royal blood from ancestors thousands of years ago
Dec 6, 2022 3:19 AM
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Grisha and Carla both are normal Eldian, how does Eren suppose to have Royal blood? Did you just skip scenes while watching?
Dec 6, 2022 3:41 AM

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Izanionisan said:
I don't get it.
Zeke and historia are crossbreed
So, why only a certain number of people have royal blood after 2000yrs ?
How do they they figure out the royal blood who are capable for using the Founding titan?

Wrong.
Historia's father is Rod Reiss, a direct descendants of royal family and Zeke's mother was Dina, who also was direct descendant of royal family.
Their blood was quite pure. Definitely enough to activate the Founding and access the Paths.
Dec 6, 2022 3:55 AM
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it is not about whether you have royal blood or not, because yes, all eldians in the present timeline are (to our understanding) descendants/subjects of ymir and the original fritz. it is about who is considered the current royal inheritor, the one in command, which in this case would be either zeke or historia (remember the split of the fritz family in two after the great war, so we have one part on the continent, which is zeke's bloodline, and one part on paradis, which is historia's bloodline)

now here is where it gets particular: why not use historia to activate the founding titan's power? because she is not a pure titan nor a royal shifter. eren could use the founding power when he was in direct contact with dinah in her pure form and could only partially use it when in direct contact with historia because she did not possess a titan power or was in a pure titan form.
zeke on the other hand is a royal shifter and therefore has access to titan powers and command over ymir, but since he was lacking the founder he could not control her, which is why eren and their contact was needed.
and remember, they could have touched earlier on in the story, but the plan needed to align first, so it was not a race to get this activated as quick as possible. which is why it was beneficial (at least for eren) to have the attack titan, who secretly (if you will) tied everything together to activate the rumbling at the exact moment it was necessary, considering all the politics at play and the motivation of key people, like zeke etc.

hope this cleared it up a little.
Dec 6, 2022 4:23 AM

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no because he needs zeke to use the founding titan since he doesn't have royal blood himself
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yes eren yeager has royal blood
Dec 6, 2022 4:45 AM
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Izanionisan said:
Subjects of Ymir -an ethnic group descended from Ymir Fritz and the only race that was capable of becoming Titans.

All subjects of ymir came from ymir's daughters Maria, Rose and Sheena.

Royal blood = Fritz blond line
Ymir x Fritz= maria, Rose, sina
Maria x 'Y', Rose x 'Y' & Sheena x 'Y' = subjects of Ymir
(Y= Male who mated with fritz daughters)

Thus, all subjects of ymir have fritz blood in their body so, Eren Also has Royal blood I suppose? Is this explained in final season part 3?

Biologically theres no differant in the amount of royalness in Erens blood compared to Zekes or Historias. Unless theres some inbreeding inside the royal family. But I think the real reason why they need a person with "royal blood" to activate the founder is because of founder Yimr inability to disobey the first king's order that in the present day, turns into her inability to disobey anyone who is part of the royal family(the main branch) until Eren freed her of couse. Its kinda like how irl we only consider the main branch of the house as the royal family, other members of a lesser branch is not called that even though they are still descendants of that same family. SPOILERS below:

Yes I know that my theory is disproven in the manga. But I still think its must only be a mental thing, it cant be a biological problem since a lesser branch should still holds the same amount of "royal bloodnesss" as the main branch (feel free to correct me on this tho)
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Piromysl said:
Izanionisan said:
I don't get it.
Zeke and historia are crossbreed
So, why only a certain number of people have royal blood after 2000yrs ?
How do they they figure out the royal blood who are capable for using the Founding titan?

Wrong.
Historia's father is Rod Reiss, a direct descendants of royal family and Zeke's mother was Dina, who also was direct descendant of royal family.
Their blood was quite pure. Definitely enough to activate the Founding and access the Paths.

His question is exactly this.
Everyone is direct descendants of the royal family, because that's what subject of Ymir means.
If you are not a descendant of one of Ymir children who had royal blood, then you won't be able to turn into Titan.
Dec 6, 2022 5:09 AM
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no eren doesn't have royal blood. watch the anime again lol
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No the entire plot was based on this
Dec 6, 2022 5:54 AM
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No, he doesn't have royal blood since Grisha and Carla are not from the royal family.
This is precisely the reason for which he couldn't enter Paths or use the FT's power on his own.
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it is not about whether you have royal blood or not, because yes, all eldians in the present timeline are (to our understanding) descendants/subjects of ymir and the original fritz. it is about who is considered the current royal inheritor, the one in command, which in this case would be either zeke or historia (remember the split of the fritz family in two after the great war, so we have one part on the continent, which is zeke's bloodline, and one part on paradis, which is historia's bloodline)

now here is where it gets particular: why not use historia to activate the founding titan's power? because she is not a pure titan nor a royal shifter. eren could use the founding power when he was in direct contact with dinah in her pure form and could only partially use it when in direct contact with historia because she did not possess a titan power or was in a pure titan form.
zeke on the other hand is a royal shifter and therefore has access to titan powers and command over ymir, but since he was lacking the founder he could not control her, which is why eren and their contact was needed.
and remember, they could have touched earlier on in the story, but the plan needed to align first, so it was not a race to get this activated as quick as possible. which is why it was beneficial (at least for eren) to have the attack titan, who secretly (if you will) tied everything together to activate the rumbling at the exact moment it was necessary, considering all the politics at play and the motivation of key people, like zeke etc.

hope this cleared it up a little.

Perfectly explained, I must say.
Dec 6, 2022 6:03 AM
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yes eren yeager has royal blood

You're trolling, right?
Dec 6, 2022 6:13 AM
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Everyone has royal blood in a way, but only the ones in the royal family are recognised to belong to the official Royal Bloodline.

There isn’t any biological thing to this because all the royal blood gives you is the power to command Ymir, who has the Power of All Titans,

Ymir is also a human being capable of logical thinking, able to tell if a person is part of the royal bloodline and whether to obey them.

That’s why royal blood people seem to have unlocked higher levels of power, when in reality they’re just commanding Ymir (the one with power) to do things for them.
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Izanionisan said:
Cryptcat said:
all subjects of ymir have royal blood but only the main line has a strong enough effect is what I think.


How do they differentiate the main line that has strong enough effect?
Do they do a blood test?

Piromysl said:
Royal blood has been diluted over centuries due to cross breeding and now only few still have it's potency. There is a reason why Reiss confined themselves beneath the chapel.
Eren never had royal blood despite being Subject of Ymir.


I don't get it.
Zeke and historia are crossbreed
So, why only a certain number of people have royal blood after 2000yrs ?
How do they they figure out the royal blood who are capable for using the Founding titan?

They don’t do a blood test.

The founder herself can differentiate who has royal blood because she apparently has the entire family and ancestral tree for every Eldian.

Why this matters is because people with royal blood don’t actually get more powerful, they just make Ymir, the one with power, to obey their commands and make it seem like having royal blood = power.
Dec 6, 2022 7:05 AM
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My guy did you watch the show? Neither Grisha or Carla have royal blood. Therefore, Eren doesn't have royal blood either
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jo_la_truite said:
it is not about whether you have royal blood or not, because yes, all eldians in the present timeline are (to our understanding) descendants/subjects of ymir and the original fritz. it is about who is considered the current royal inheritor, the one in command, which in this case would be either zeke or historia (remember the split of the fritz family in two after the great war, so we have one part on the continent, which is zeke's bloodline, and one part on paradis, which is historia's bloodline)

now here is where it gets particular: why not use historia to activate the founding titan's power? because she is not a pure titan nor a royal shifter. eren could use the founding power when he was in direct contact with dinah in her pure form and could only partially use it when in direct contact with historia because she did not possess a titan power or was in a pure titan form.
zeke on the other hand is a royal shifter and therefore has access to titan powers and command over ymir, but since he was lacking the founder he could not control her, which is why eren and their contact was needed.
and remember, they could have touched earlier on in the story, but the plan needed to align first, so it was not a race to get this activated as quick as possible. which is why it was beneficial (at least for eren) to have the attack titan, who secretly (if you will) tied everything together to activate the rumbling at the exact moment it was necessary, considering all the politics at play and the motivation of key people, like zeke etc.

hope this cleared it up a little.

Perfectly explained, I must say.

thanks, i tried. i'm sure there is someone out there who can still find issues in this, but for me it is the most logical and bulletproof way of explaining it.
it's actually pretty logical once you go back and analyze ymir's connection to the royal bloodline, the keywords being 'command' and 'control'. it's not that deep with biology, because then again, every subject of ymir is technically of 'royal' blood. the whole royal blood thing also does not mean you have special blood, it's just a title at best, that was defined by society at the time and actually has no value other than defining who is in control. so ymir being told by eren that she doesn't have to assume the role of the slave anymore is just that, a change in control. so zeke was just needed for eren to get to ymir and tell her that, instead of her continuously serving the 'royal family' because she doesn't know any other way of functioning.

tldr: stop focusing on the bloodline, it's a question of who has control.
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jo_la_truite said:
thanks, i tried. i'm sure there is someone out there who can still find issues in this, but for me it is the most logical and bulletproof way of explaining it.

it's actually pretty logical once you go back and analyze ymir's connection to the royal bloodline, the keywords being 'command' and 'control'. it's not that deep with biology, because then again, every subject of ymir is technically of 'royal' blood. the whole royal blood thing also does not mean you have special blood, it's just a title at best, that was defined by society at the time and actually has no value other than defining who is in control.
You're welcome and yeah you pretty much covered every point related to this topic.
jo_la_truite said:
so ymir being told by eren that she doesn't have to assume the role of the slave anymore is just that, a change in control. so zeke was just needed for eren to get to ymir and tell her that, instead of her continuously serving the 'royal family' because she doesn't know any other way of functioning.
And yup it's basically that Ymir felt some sort of obligation to keep on serving the royal family for years due to her twisted perception about love and attachment (just like Eren) and ntm king Fritz's influence and moreover she felt that she had no sort of agency or self identity/worth. And this is where Eren was needed. We then saw how mercilessly Zeke had ordered her to castrate the entire Eldian race which further proved how she was treated by those having royal blood in them. So Eren basically "freed" her from the Paths realm and from her unpaid "job" of creating Titans for eternity, which was all initiated by that king.

jo_la_truite said:
tldr: stop focusing on the bloodline, it's a question of who has control.
Exactly! It's all about who is in control.
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The Royal Family has most likely been inbreeding for over 1500 years(This is what royal families did back in the day). Making it so that someone has more dilluted blood than others. Now with most of the Fritz family dead the Royal Bloodline will most likely cease to exist in a couple generations anyway.
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You can tell who actually read the post and who didn’t by some of these replies
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Nope, just his brother
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He needed royal blood to activate founder powers I think. That’s why him and zeke had to touch
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with this every eldian would have royal blood which is not the case. my guess is that there was some inbreeding to keep the royal blood pure and then every other family lost their royal blood from too much breeding with non eldians. either that or eldians come from some place other than being direct descendents of ymir and it just hasn't been explained yet.
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You need royal blood to control the founder thats why eren needed zeke for his plan
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No, Eren doesn't have Royal Blood! The Royal blood line was determined after Ymir's death when her youngest daugther, Sheena, inherited the Founding Titan, thus creating the paths and original Royal bloodline.
All descendants from Sheena are considered to be of Royal Blood since she was the one to have inherited the Founding titan. It is believed that after Ymir's death, King Fritz impregnated all 3 of his daughters for the sake of keeping the Royal blood pure with Sheena, and creating the Eldian bloodline with Rose and Maria. Here is a fun fact:
The three daughters inherited 3 titans each, thus creating the 9 original titans.
Maria, the oldest, inherited the Armored, the Jaw and the Warhammer titans. As the oldest, she would have to be first line of defense against other nations and to protect her younger siblings.
Rose, the middle child, had the Female, Cart and Colossal titans. Due to the versatile aspect of these titans, her position as second wall was perfect to defense and act as a beacon to signal her younger sister.
Sheena, the youngest, had the Founding, the Beast and Attack titans. Due to their strengths and strange powers, they were the perfect titans for the last wall. The beast could create and manipulate titans while the Attack Titan could see in his future host's memories to predict any outcome. At last, if something had to happen to the Eldians (like the plague that Grisha miraculously saved the Eldians from), the Founding could make his subjects immune or safe from what could happen.
I hope this answer your question 😊
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Everyone has royal blood in a way, but only the ones in the royal family are recognised to belong to the official Royal Bloodline.

There isn’t any biological thing to this because all the royal blood gives you is the power to command Ymir, who has the Power of All Titans,

Ymir is also a human being capable of logical thinking, able to tell if a person is part of the royal bloodline and whether to obey them.

That’s why royal blood people seem to have unlocked higher levels of power, when in reality they’re just commanding Ymir (the one with power) to do things for them.

It's not that Ymir is capable of logical thinking. When she died, she accessed the path for the first time, with the first coordinate being Ymir herself. Her coordinate was split in three because of her 3 daughters, Maria, Rose and Sheena. Since the Founding titan was inherited by Sheena, this coordinate became the Royal bloodline. All descendants from Sheena became the Royal bloodline because of this very reason, while the descendants of Rose and Maria became subjects of Ymir.
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NEKOM4TA said:
DaJickey said:
Everyone has royal blood in a way, but only the ones in the royal family are recognised to belong to the official Royal Bloodline.

There isn’t any biological thing to this because all the royal blood gives you is the power to command Ymir, who has the Power of All Titans,

Ymir is also a human being capable of logical thinking, able to tell if a person is part of the royal bloodline and whether to obey them.

That’s why royal blood people seem to have unlocked higher levels of power, when in reality they’re just commanding Ymir (the one with power) to do things for them.

It's not that Ymir is capable of logical thinking. When she died, she accessed the path for the first time, with the first coordinate being Ymir herself. Her coordinate was split in three because of her 3 daughters, Maria, Rose and Sheena. Since the Founding titan was inherited by Sheena, this coordinate became the Royal bloodline. All descendants from Sheena became the Royal bloodline because of this very reason, while the descendants of Rose and Maria became subjects of Ymir.

What decides which path continues to contain “Royal Blood”?

Sheena definitely has a lot more descendants than like 2 people, which means the Sheena path must’ve broken into many since millennia ago.

We’ve never even seen more than 10 royal blood holders at a single point in time throughout the whole story so something doesn’t add up there.

I’m saying that there is no biological factor to the whole “Royal Blood” shenanigans.

The people with that blood are just ones considered part of royalty by logical reasoning.

With some biological and ancestral basis of course, but Ymir still has to decide which is which.
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Its a plot Hole,
There shouldn't be any Royal blood/Fritz bloodline after 2000yrs






More detailed explanation
https://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/how-much-dna-do-we-share-with-our-ancestors/

https://yourdna.com/how-long-is-a-generation


Even if they did inbreeding fritz blood will be completely diluted/eradicated after few generations. So there shouldn't be any Royal blood in the current AoT timeline.
or every subject lf ymir should be considered as royal Blood.

Manga spoilers


the entire story of AoT is a plot hole.
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... wtf u said 1400 years why is the eren should personally have royal blood?
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Izanionisan said:
Subjects of Ymir -an ethnic group descended from Ymir Fritz and the only race that was capable of becoming Titans.

All subjects of ymir came from ymir's daughters Maria, Rose and Sheena.

Royal blood = Fritz blond line
Ymir x Fritz= maria, Rose, Sheena
Maria x 'Y', Rose x 'Y' & Sheena x 'Y' = subjects of Ymir
(Y= Male who mated with fritz daughters)

Thus, all subjects of ymir have fritz blood in their body so, Eren Also has Royal blood I suppose? Is this explained in final season part 3?

Ok time to speak some biology.
The father non-royal, had a son
this son was with a woman with 'royal DNA'
-lets say
x = royal
o = not royal
you only need one x you be royal.
so the son has royal blood.
the son is x-o
therefore royal
the father is still non royal, because thats his DNA that shite dont change.
Then the father (no royal DNA) has another child.
This time the woman is not royal
the child is then
o-o and therefore has no royalty in them.
anyway if you dont understand this. big sad. i cant help you.


This part is in response to everyone being from the daughter. It is possible that some of the people that the king ordered to eat Ymir gained the powers (im 99.99% sure this happened), but as mentioned before have no royalty in them. and therefore could not use it.
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Strange question. The whole point of meeting Eren and Zeke was because Eren doesnt have royal blood. Also I see that lot of people are mixing being Subject of Ymir and being an Eldian. Not every Eldian is Subject of Ymir
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its my thinks no no
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AyanoKiyo767 said:
Its a plot Hole,
There shouldn't be any Royal blood/Fritz bloodline after 2000yrs






More detailed explanation
https://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/how-much-dna-do-we-share-with-our-ancestors/

https://yourdna.com/how-long-is-a-generation


Even if they did inbreeding fritz blood will be completely diluted/eradicated after few generations. So there shouldn't be any Royal blood in the current AoT timeline.
or every subject lf ymir should be considered as royal Blood.

Manga spoilers


the entire story of AoT is a plot hole.
dumbest shit i've ever seen. it's a fucking anime, real world things don't apply here.

also incest
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Bruh have u even watched the show, the fact that he needs Zeke is precisely because he doesn't have royal blood

man wiped out the "pick up 40 cards and die" on a game of uno
(well said bro)
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UniversaI said:
AyanoKiyo767 said:
Its a plot Hole,
There shouldn't be any Royal blood/Fritz bloodline after 2000yrs






More detailed explanation
https://whoareyoumadeof.com/blog/how-much-dna-do-we-share-with-our-ancestors/

https://yourdna.com/how-long-is-a-generation


Even if they did inbreeding fritz blood will be completely diluted/eradicated after few generations. So there shouldn't be any Royal blood in the current AoT timeline.
or every subject lf ymir should be considered as royal Blood.

Manga spoilers


the entire story of AoT is a plot hole.
dumbest shit i've ever seen. it's a fucking anime, real world things don't apply here.

also incest




Ishiyama never explained about this in the manga
It's a plot hole.
🤡
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AyanoKiyo767 said:
UniversaI said:
dumbest shit i've ever seen. it's a fucking anime, real world things don't apply here.

also incest




Ishiyama never explained about this in the manga
It's a plot hole.
🤡
use your brain 🤡

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