| I fucking love it. These are top tier songs. |
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| Some of it is good, some of it is bad. I feel the same about all english dub openings |
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| Utter garbage, and even if it wasn't, it's a terrible localization practice to alter the music. |
Toa_of_Gallifrey said: Utter garbage, and even if it wasn't, it's a terrible localization practice to alter the music. This. even the 1st pokemon opening wasnt that good compared to what they got in Japan.. |
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| I sometimes prefer the 4K!DS dubs to their more accurate counterparts, merely because of how silly they are. Their One Piece dub is more like One Piece Abridged. I will say that the Shaman King and the unused rock version of the Yu-Gi-Oh OP were top tier. That said, one last thing... YO! YA YO YA YO! |
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| I think replacement soundtracks in anime (not just 4kids) ruin the artistic vision of the original work. While I think the theme songs might be good (either unironically or ironically) it's the actual in anime OST that bothers me the most. Shows like Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters, GX, 5DS, and Shaman King have a lot of their best moments not hit as hard without their Japanese music. Some of these anime in Japanese have my favorite tracks like Passionate Duelist (Yami Yugi's theme), Mind games, Legendary Duel, Impossible Victory, God's Anger Yuki Judai's theme, Sealed Miracle (Exodia's theme), Fang of Critias, and Yusei's theme from Yu-Gi-Oh (teres so much more too I can't list all of the best tracks, the Japanese OST is that amazing), as well as the amazing inserts from Shaman King. The 4kids replacement music just ended up feeling a lot more generic compared to the original compositions and it really impacted the mood of a lot of scenes and the feel of each turn in a duel in Yu-Gi-Oh. The Japanese score felt a lot more tense on the turns our protagonists were struggling and were very triumphant when they were winning or summoning a boss monster. Scenes like Exodia being summoned, Kaiba sacrificing Obelisk, and Yugi's infamous DRAW MONSTER CARD scene against Weevil from Yu-Gi-Oh are just a few scenes that are just so much better with the original soundtrack. Any time a character theme or leitmotif comes up in Yu-Gi-Oh always feel so satisfying as well and 4kids removed a lot of these fantastic musical moments. I haven't watched a lot of 4Kids One Piece but I can almost with certainty say that the 4Kids Ost is completer trash compared to the original with temes like Gold and Oden, Rubber Bazooka, and Overtaken are so engrained into the identity of the anime to me that not hearing them in 4kids will just feel dirty. TLDR: I don't like the replacement for the actual in show music, the OPs tend to be pretty enjoyable to me but it bothers me how much the generic 4kids music in their dubs hurts the impact and emotional weight of scenes and replaces fantastic soundtracks from shows like Yu-Gi-Oh up to 5DS, One Piece, and Shaman King. I'd genuinely recommend listening to those Japanese OSTs and watching the scenes they are used in in Japanese to get a feel for it. |
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| The One Piece rap is unironically a masterpiece and is second only to We Are! |
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| Get Your Game On is the pinnacle of western musical achievement. |
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| The dub music is definitely the best part of 4KIDS's localizations. That's not to say that their dubs are as bad as people tend to say they are, just that their OPs are almost always certified bangers. |
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| I don't even remember any 4kids music. Didn't Pokemon use the Japanese music, which was largely based on the games? |
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| [/quote] No one had a problem with bruce faulconer‘s dub music in the 1999 Funi. dub of Dragonball Z.[/quote] I did (kinda). I grew up with both Kikuchi's music and Falcouner, and even though the Falcouner Productions music was technically solid, it never really felt right to me. As someone who started Dragon Ball from the very beginning from Goku as a kid as intended, it felt really jarring to hear the Menza and Falcouner Productions scores as they felt like they completely changed the tone in a way that didn't feel right. The Menza and Falcouner scores are a complete departure being a lot more guitar and synth focused compared to the Japanese version's more orchestral and jazz mix soundtrack. That style stays consistent between OG, Z, and GT to an extent, as well as both soundtracks for KAI, but the dub music only really is consistent with Z and GT and has issues of poor placement at some points, not allowing moments of silence, and in some scenes the mood just feels completely different for better or for worse. I think the music ended up feeling a lot better in the video games like Legacy of Goku 2 and Buu's Fury since it felt like it fit the gameplay better than the show to me. I like the compositions I just don't think they were best in the show itself. A lot more fans who grew up with Kikuchi might be a lot harsher on Falcouner's score but I can at least say it has a lot of memorable compositions and even if it doesn't fit the anime very well and was not used the best in show, it was used in a place that felt more fitting (to me) in the games. |
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Lucifrost said: 4Kids did replace some tracks but it was mostly just random music not originally in the game itself, although occasionally there were scenes that used game music in the anime that had been replaced with 4kids compositions. They also did add some insert songs into the movies not present in the original Japanese versions I don't even remember any 4kids music. Didn't Pokemon use the Japanese music, which was largely based on the games? |
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| I'm a big fan of the dub piece op |
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| This is the original Japanese opening of Dragon Ball Z this is the Portuguese dub opening this is the Spanish dub of the opening this is the German dub of the opening The lyrics are off. Quite off, actually. However, it does retain the "spirit" of the original, and the instrumentals are the exact same. In any case, the opening works well. Meanwhile, this is the English opening What is this? The guitar isn't bad, don't get me wrong. However, it doesn't fit the opening. There's no reason why they would replace a perfectly fine opening with what appears to be random clips put together by an underpaid intern and they slapped a random rock music on top, because why not. Everyone else makes opening that at least tries to preserver the "spirit" of the original Japanese opening. America is seemingly the only one who has to change the opening for no good reason other than possibly to save a few bucks. |
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DreamingBeats said: Everyone else makes opening that at least tries to preserver the "spirit" of the original Japanese opening. America is seemingly the only one who has to change the opening for no good reason other than possibly to save a few bucks. I believe Cardcaptors was dubbed by Canadians. That opening must be seen to be believed. https://youtu.be/ERpK-7K70ws I don't know where my favorite Astro Boy was dubbed, but I sure as hell don't want my own country taking "credit" for that monstrosity. https://youtu.be/hfr-48LJ-yI |
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Lucifrost said: DreamingBeats said: Everyone else makes opening that at least tries to preserver the "spirit" of the original Japanese opening. America is seemingly the only one who has to change the opening for no good reason other than possibly to save a few bucks. I believe Cardcaptors was dubbed by Canadians. That opening must be seen to be believed. https://youtu.be/ERpK-7K70ws I don't know where my favorite Astro Boy was dubbed, but I sure as hell don't want my own country taking "credit" for that monstrosity. https://youtu.be/hfr-48LJ-yI oh dear godHaruhi. They turned the iconic opening into a Disney. Also, who thought it was a good idea to have a male singer when the original was sung by a female singer? By contrast, this is the Portuguese dub the lyrics are different, but it has the same feels and it's sung by a female singer. nothing against male singers, but their singing voice don't fit for shows aimed at young girls like Sakura Card Captor. There's also the Saiban opening of "Glitter Force" (dub of Smile Precure). The dub was so bad, even Toei chose to cut ties right after doki doki dubs (which somehow managed to be even worse than Glitter Force, which was already quite bad). The English dub of Sailor Moon looks fine...until you realize they turned a romantic prose into a Power Rangers. To its credit, the dub of Sailor Moon opening at least retains the same instrumentals and has the same "flow" as the original, even if the lyrics are completely off and it completely removes any traces of romance. |
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DreamingBeats said: it completely removes any traces of romance. Untrue, it contains the line, "winning love by daylight." Besides that, I'm not really bothered by dub openings. I don't think they're an important enough part of the show. Also, neither of us is listing examples from 4kids. Their openings were great. I'm not a fan of Catch You Catch Me. It's the worst of the 3 Japanese openings. |
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Lucifrost said: neither of us is listing examples from 4kids. Their openings were great. You're right, we're off track. As for 4kids, the opening of Pokemon and Yugioh were great. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I feel the English dub opening fits the anime better than the original Japanese opening. |
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DreamingBeats said: Lucifrost said: neither of us is listing examples from 4kids. Their openings were great. You're right, we're off track. As for 4kids, the opening of Pokemon and Yugioh were great. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I feel the English dub opening fits the anime better than the original Japanese opening. 4Kids Yu-Gi-Oh's intro definitely fit the more dark side of the franchise while the Japanese ones fit the more fun side to me. I tend to prefer the Japanese OPs (and I think the dub replacement OST for Yu-Gi-Oh in the actual show is pretty bad compared to the original), but Get Your Game On, the OG theme and Hyperdrive were pretty solid compositions |
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| As cheesy as they are, i love their songs. It's an extra detail that made 4kids dubs not just dubs but a completely different experience. Their openings are also awesome, they fit the "Cheesy satruday morning cartoon" vibe perfectly, like it was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles of my generation. |
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