the myth that all anime today are 3DCG or CGI maybe applies to Chainsaw Man too

Secret333 said:
I thought the problem people have is when characters are 3d models and their movements are clunky. Not how 3DCG is used to lower the amount of keyframes 2D animators have to do.
I don’t mind it really. I’m just here for the story and everyone focusing so much on CGI as if CGI killed their parents is weird.
I survived the first Love live! 3d models and animations. How bad is CSM compared to that? Or to the Berserk anime? (haven’t watched that one so can’t tell).

Karnox001 said:

Surprisingly, a couple parts of the fight were directed in a much slower and "weighty" style than what we are all used to in anime (probably to create a bigger contrast with the faster parts later). These few scenes are also done with quite a lot of drawings and impressive consistency, so much that to the untrained eye, it may even look like CGI.

deg said:


for sure but i think just pausing some of the scenes and seeing how the drawings are deformed can easily make fans spot that its 2D animation instead of CGI

Merve2Love said:
There is an actual discussion going on about the freakin' style, of the best looking Shonen Episode, ever been produced in Anime history...


Im loosing faith in humanity....

deg said:
Ufotable and other studios does 3DCG or CGI layouts aka rough animation more to help 2D animators do their thing so do not confuse it to actually doing 3DCG or CGI animation

a lot of fans thinks when they see 3DCG before the actual key animation its automatically 3DCG or CGI for all animation later on and that is wrong thinking

heck some fans even think that ALL Anime today are CGI or 3DCG which is so wrong

for examples of 3DCG or CGI layouts aka rough animation here
https://youtu.be/SecVyXaX19A
https://imgur.com/f8YsV5e taken from here https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-07-12/3dcg-in-anime-an-introduction/.118724

as you can see the 3DCG or CGI layouts or rough animation serves as a guide for the 2D animators to draw easily over them so in the end its still 2D animation in this cases

so again do not confuse layouts aka rough animation (that uses 3DCG or CGI in this cases) with actual key animation that is mostly done in 2D animation

traditional layouts aka rough animation is like this for comparison https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/207533

for Chainsaw Man we have yet to see any official sources showing if they use 3DCG or CGI layouts aka rough animation but im confident they will release some in the future too

hope that at least correct some of the misinformation about 3DCG or CGI in anime

so thoughts?

toxispice said:
But the characters were 3d animated in many scenes. I'm just not a fan of when characters are 3d animated in any form. It doesn't feel good.

deg said:


see this twitter thread please https://twitter.com/Foxillian13/status/1580091820431638528

deg said:


see this twitter thread please https://twitter.com/Foxillian13/status/1580091820431638528

toxispice said:

That's literally someone talking out of their ass, choosing selctive good looking shots to argue that the episode looked good. It takes no genius to tell 3d and 2d animation apart. This episode was definitely a lot of 3d animation.

DrkSeid69 said:
do i have to screenshot frame by frame and post it to prove that some shot was actually 2d??

toxispice said:

some shots were 2d. Many weren't.

deg said:
Ufotable and other studios does 3DCG or CGI layouts aka rough animation more to help 2D animators do their thing so do not confuse it to actually doing 3DCG or CGI animation

a lot of fans thinks when they see 3DCG before the actual key animation its automatically 3DCG or CGI for all animation later on and that is wrong thinking

heck some fans even think that ALL Anime today are CGI or 3DCG which is so wrong

for examples of 3DCG or CGI layouts aka rough animation here
https://youtu.be/SecVyXaX19A
https://imgur.com/f8YsV5e taken from here https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-07-12/3dcg-in-anime-an-introduction/.118724

as you can see the 3DCG or CGI layouts or rough animation serves as a guide for the 2D animators to draw easily over them so in the end its still 2D animation in this cases

so again do not confuse layouts aka rough animation (that uses 3DCG or CGI in this cases) with actual key animation that is mostly done in 2D animation

traditional layouts aka rough animation is like this for comparison https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/207533

for Chainsaw Man we have yet to see any official sources showing if they use 3DCG or CGI layouts aka rough animation but im confident they will release some in the future too

hope that at least correct some of the misinformation about 3DCG or CGI in anime

so thoughts?

Merve2Love said:
There is an actual discussion going on about the freakin' style, of the best looking Shonen Episode, ever been produced in Anime history...


Im loosing faith in humanity....

RinAmInn said:

Have u ever watched a different anime?

Merve2Love said:
There is an actual discussion going on about the freakin' style, of the best looking Shonen Episode, ever been produced in Anime history...


Im loosing faith in humanity....

Merve2Love said:


Over 300....I mean, it's nothing against the 150 Show's you watched. Im a novice^^
But I've seen my fair share.

Sakuta002766 said:


Best looking shounen episode ever produced in anime history?

Not even close to be honest LOL

Sakuta002766 said:


Best looking shounen episode ever produced in anime history?

Not even close to be honest LOL

Merve2Love said:



Name something that comes close to this production value or it's sheer Looks, instead of just saying it's not a valid statement :)

I was thinking about this. Maybe the likes of Mob Psycho or One Punch Man can compete with this Level of Animation.
Maybe Ufotable, aswell.

Im talking "Compareable" , just in terms of the Animation we're seeing.
Fact is: We haven't seen this kind of production, yet.

Sakuta002766 said:


One piece episode 1015 (it took over 6 months to animate this single episode)

It is one of the best animated episodes ever.

It is animated by some of the top tier animator

Sakuta002766 said:


One piece episode 1015 (it took over 6 months to animate this single episode)

It is one of the best animated episodes ever.

It is animated by some of the top tier animator

Merve2Love said:


This is of course somewhat subjective, but I just don't think it's a fair comparison. One Piece is a Monster of a Show. Over a thousand Episodes in.
I'd argue there are not a lot of, if any (even 1015), come close to the quality I've seen in ONE(!) Episode of CSM. That is saying something, isn't it?
And I love One Piece, don't get me wrong.

RinAmInn said:

well then how can u say something like that??? The episode was fine, they adapted it well from the manga, but it was nothing special, cgi kinda killed some parts and the story just gets better after some time. So how was this the best shounen episode? Makes still no sense

samashi20 said:
Come on @deg we all know that's not what people have an issue with. CGI has such a bad stigma and it doesn't help that every time a new person joins the community they're immediately influenced and maybe even bullied into hating CGI.