Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury Episode 2 Discussion

Koustubh said:
Bruh Lady Prospera is clearly Suletta's mother. She has that cybernetic/bionic/whatever you want to call it right hand and has the same voice as her mother from prologue. Also, she has a mask like Char, so she definitely is out for revenge. My guess is that since her company Shin Sei is the underdog, she wants to slowly climb the ranks by gaining everyone's trust and destroy Delling inside out.

Heck yeah, I am in for this!

5/5 episode.

StarZone1 said:


Women know better than "evil" man because obviously as a minor you're smarter than the head of a multi-trillion dollar corporation who deserves the right to speak whenever and wherever reguardless of the circumstances.

She also suddenly supports the idea of the force marriage to the holder of the title just because it'll upset her farther? Of course he wasn't going to stand for a same-sex marriage, he'll be wanting grandchildren to pass on his name and fortune to. Why isn't the duel so that she can marry anyone she wants which was what she originally wanted? Obviously it's because it's just an excuse to get a same-sex relationship on screen.

Atlos said:
I love how focused on the companies that produces the mobile suits this seems to be, I always wished there was a UC series that focused more on Anaheim electronics

Shiniela said:
Pacing is definitely becoming a glaring issue along with the intent of direction.

Shiniela said:
Pacing is definitely becoming a glaring issue along with the intent of direction.

truth999 said:
wonder if this will have the first yuri marriage in anime (well i dont think there been one lol)

truth999 said:
im not seeing that problem lol so far the pacing is perfectly fine and the direction is not marrying the guy and moving to earth it only been 2 episodes

rederoin said:


Yeah, turns out forcing your daugther to marry a man she does not want too is a bad thing.
who knew.

RobertBobert said:


If you started a war, then it has already ended. At the moment, people here are arguing about whether Miorene's actions are justified by default because her father is an asshole.

Ryuumishou said:
Lol, it looks like I started a full-blown war... I do not have anything against homo relationships (I do against woke culture tho), but as I said, as a straight man, and a big romance fan I will always hate my favorite characters ending up not being straight. It is just like fangirls finding out their favorite male character is straight, so their dumb little yaoi doujins end up not being canon. Sexuality preferences are normal, and if you think it is homophobic, you should seriously take time off the internet.

Ryuumishou said:


Oh ok, I misunderstood the situation... btw I loved Air, based pfp.

Cambriel5202 said:


Sexuality preferences are normal. But you gotta have some limits too. I can't get invested in romances between two men; I just can't see the chemistry and rarely can empathize with the emotional highs and lows. Would the story be personally more enjoyable for me if two leads aren't queer men? Yeah, probably.

But I'm not the only person in the world. I usually just put it down to: "this is one for the lovers of men out there", and I'm happy for the viewers and the characters like I would be for a friend. Furthermore, I actively support and defend it because I know gay male pairings aren't common, and are attacked when they exist, and that shit shouldn't happen.

So is it cool to have preferences, yeah. But is it ok to prioritize the preferences over being a good person to the other people in the world/in your community? I would say no. Is it ok to prioritize those preferences over wanting to see more justice and equality in the world? Again, I'd say no. I'm not saying you do that. But I've seen a lot of people make similar arguments about "I just like what I like" to justify general shittiness to outright cruelty and oppression, so it was a good comment to reply to.

P.S. No, you didn't start the war, the struggle is always here. That's the point. So, I would argue, you can't act as if it doesn't exist and all preferences are neutral.

RobertBobert said:


Thanks :D The discussion of the second episode is already more relaxed than the first, but it's still quite a mess, so don't take it too seriously. This is just a semi-lazy but rather passionate flood between local woke and anti-woke users.

P.S. The man who previously openly tried to impose a narrative that Chisato and Takina should be taken strictly as a lesbian couple is now trying to pretend to be respectful to other people's preferences. How ironic.

Ryuumishou said:
Lol, it looks like I started a full-blown war... I do not have anything against homo relationships (I do against woke culture tho), but as I said, as a straight man, and a big romance fan I will always hate my favorite characters ending up not being straight. It is just like fangirls finding out their favorite male character is straight, so their dumb little yaoi doujins end up not being canon. Sexuality preferences are normal, and if you think it is homophobic, you should seriously take time off the internet.

Maplelilyy said:
That short haired dude who's got an 'interest' in Suletta is obviously evil. Have you seen his Mobile Suit? Not only is it the most obviously evil color scheme, but it's also a fucking Gundam. (Not a spoiler, shit's literally on the site, here: https://en.gundam.info/about-gundam/series-pages/witch/mobile-suit/3/ )

Ryuumishou said:


Well, I am happy that at least this site still has some people that are a part of the anti-woke spectrum, on dumb sites with censorship like Reddit we would all get banned instantly, this woke stuff is starting to get really serious, and I hope it will slowly disappear from all platfroms.

Ryuumishou said:


We were celebrating that the MC is straight over here, and you were the one to come in with denial. The main character blushes at the presence of a man but opposes the thought of being in a relationship with a woman. Japan has really low fertility rates, so I doubt they would support something as risky to fertility as LGBTQ. We are not homophobic, we are just anti-woke.

RobertBobert said:


Lol, this is the most lame attempt to come up with some reason to be negative against a character who crossed the path for your ship. Never thought this would actually happening.

RobertBobert said:


In fact, MAL is not immune to this either, back in the last year there were people who non-ironically told you that if you are straight and you don't like BL or yuri, then you are a homophobe (just as you can see for yourself above). It's just that now it's become wider with new people from twitter and tumblr.

NewestPersonHere said:
Red mobile suit with a horn?

Hmmmm… is it going to be 3 times faster?
Who will wear a mask and pilot it?

Real Gundam fans will know what I am talking about. XD?

LostSpectre said:
Imagine reading this much into a blush from a girl who seems embarrassed of her own existence. Also, you do know there's a whole genre of this stuff?

Maplelilyy said:


What? I'm just saying he gives off major bad vibes. He's going to be piloting a Gundam, which is currently, and he's backed by the company that wants access to Aerial's combat data? I never said I was negative or whatever, just that he's obviously evil. Evil does not equal hate.

Maplelilyy said:

Right? Blush =/= like or anything like that. A blush can literally mean one of several feelings. She's definitely just shy. I didn't feel any romantic tension in that scene. It was a pretty normal interaction.

LostSpectre said:
Imagine reading this much into a blush from a girl who seems embarrassed of her own existence. Also, you do know there's a whole genre of this stuff?

Ryuumishou said:


Well, it is to be expected, we were locked up for almost 3 years, of course, that more dumb people got hold of the internet and started spreading their woke ideologies. The internet will never be the same it was before quarantine.

RobertBobert said:


You're a fan of yuri and you're trying hard to find a reason to declare one of the girls' apparent male love interest an "obviously evil character". Yes, everything is fine. No bias.

With the same logic, you can declare Guel gay because of the pink mecha and say that he was a toxic asshole because he is a woman-hating gay. And Miorene is a whore, because she has beautiful legs in stockings, etc. As you can see, you can speculate insanely endlessly.

LostSpectre said:
Reminds of a moronic Twitter post trying to claim Anya (Spy x Family) blushing from being held up in the air by Loid was "sexualizing" her...

Ryuumishou said:

The whole impression everyone got from the first episode, was that the mc will be a part of a lesbian couple. The mc in this episode blushed when the male character said "I want to learn more about you" if she was interested in girls, she would give off quite a different reaction... well definitely not blushing.

Also, we are not denying that the mc might end up in a homo relationship, we are just happy that she got closer to a male character...

Maplelilyy said:

Just because I'm a fan of Yuri doesn't mean I immediately hate on men, that's actually a real harmful stereotype. Again, just because Suletta blushed through one of SEVERAL emotions other than love or like, doesn't mean that Elan is a love interest. Hell, there may be no romance at all, for all we know.
And what are these stereotypes you're attributing to simple design factors? Dude, you're a fucking piece of shit. (Seriously, what the fuck.)

Ryuumishou said:


Are you literally comparing us, who just want a straight relationship between two characters, to woke 14-year-old girls on Twitter, that think lolicons are pedophiles and have rainbow flags and pronouns in their bio?

JustAnAnimeList said:
Holy fuck, the episode discussions of this anime are an absolute shit show. Only a handful of people are actually talking about what happened in the episode and discussing about it while the rest, who unfortunately are the majority, keep fighting and arguing about the show being gay, woke or whatever. The worst of all is that this kind of shit isn't contained to MAL discussions. It seems like you can't have a decent discussion / conversation about this anime anywhere on the god damned internet because everywhere you go it's always the same bullshit. Yuri shippers gushing at how gay this anime is, anti-woke crowd going ape shit against said shippers and then all sorts of people get mixed into their shit flinging and the discussions derail into insanity. It's so fucking annoying.

Now that I've vented my frustration, let's get to talking about the episode. After watching this episode I'm not sure this anime will be "it's own thing" at all. The first episode was almost a remake of Utena's first episode and now we're going with William Shakespeare's "The Tempest" as another heavy influence. We already got Miranda, Ariel and Prospero set up in the story. They're not being subtle at all about their inspirations for this show and it's really disappointing because we already know what to expect from it because of that. Having inspirations and putting references in the show here and there is fine, but the work itself being almost a copy of those inspirations is bad. Aside from that, it seems like this will be a "by the books" Okouchi Ichiro anime with all the boxes ticked, which isn't a bad thing at all. It makes things predictable, but it's not like they weren't already.

Delling is a horrible father and an authoritarian prick who thinks he's king and is seemingly completely unaware of the plots to overthrow him. Miorine wants to take control of her own life, cue the revolution theme which is definitely going to spread to other characters in the show. Prospera is 100% Elnora, they're not even hiding it and I'm curious to see how her revenge plot will pan out. Are they going to follow The Tempest's plot to a tee or are there going to be twists here and there to make it more "original"? Only time will tell.

JustAnAnimeList said:
Holy fuck, the episode discussions of this anime are an absolute shit show. Only a handful of people are actually talking about what happened in the episode and discussing about it while the rest, who unfortunately are the majority, keep fighting and arguing about the show being gay, woke or whatever. The worst of all is that this kind of shit isn't contained to MAL discussions. It seems like you can't have a decent discussion / conversation about this anime anywhere on the god damned internet because everywhere you go it's always the same bullshit. Yuri shippers gushing at how gay this anime is, anti-woke crowd going ape shit against said shippers and then all sorts of people get mixed into their shit flinging and the discussions derail into insanity. It's so fucking annoying.

Now that I've vented my frustration, let's get to talking about the episode. After watching this episode I'm not sure this anime will be "it's own thing" at all. The first episode was almost a remake of Utena's first episode and now we're going with William Shakespeare's "The Tempest" as another heavy influence. We already got Miranda, Ariel and Prospero set up in the story. They're not being subtle at all about their inspirations for this show and it's really disappointing because we already know what to expect from it because of that. Having inspirations and putting references in the show here and there is fine, but the work itself being almost a copy of those inspirations is bad. Aside from that, it seems like this will be a "by the books" Okouchi Ichiro anime with all the boxes ticked, which isn't a bad thing at all. It makes things predictable, but it's not like they weren't already.

Delling is a horrible father and an authoritarian prick who thinks he's king and is seemingly completely unaware of the plots to overthrow him. Miorine wants to take control of her own life, cue the revolution theme which is definitely going to spread to other characters in the show. Prospera is 100% Elnora, they're not even hiding it and I'm curious to see how her revenge plot will pan out. Are they going to follow The Tempest's plot to a tee or are there going to be twists here and there to make it more "original"? Only time will tell.

RobertBobert said:


Dude, anime has been actively created since the 70s. If this got canon romance, it clearly won't be something first. Even within Gundam.

name an anime where they had a yuri wedding then or even 2 girls married im just saying i dont think there've been one yet marriage in most anime between the 2 mc is pretty rare



Well, if you just forget that after two episodes we already got a loud cliffhanger, and one of the subplots managed to turn 180% several times along with the motivation of one of the characters.

RobertBobert said:


Please spare me this nonsense. I'm not going to discuss something with a person who obviously has a bias and tries to justify the negative to the character in any way, because he interferes with their ship.

LostSpectre said:
Well, no. I'm comparing you to someone who interprets a blush as having only a connotation of sexual attraction.

Ryuumishou said:


I honestly understand your frustration, I too was trying to have a normal conversation about this anime, but I came across the so-called "Yuri shippers", I know that I have the same amount of responsibility for this situation, but just know I started this just because I became annoyed with idiots bringing their own sexuality to anime I really enjoy.

Ryuumishou said:

The blush isn't the only reason, I know that you could not see it through your yuri shipper eyes, but there was clearly a setup showing us there is something larger going on. "I cannot fall in love again" if this is not a line that makes you think the character is about to fall in love again while the anime shows us his sad backstory of how he lost his previous love interest then I have no clue how blind you are.

truth999 said:


name an anime where they had a yuri wedding then or even 2 girls married there probably a few out there but i dont think any showed them get married im just saying i dont think there've been one yet marriage in most anime between the 2 mc is pretty rare

Maplelilyy said:

Dude, I said he was obviously evil, not "How dare this male get in the way of my Lebsians grrrr >:(". Just because I said he's evil doesn't mean I dislike the dude. You're obviously having this argument in your head, if you think I ever said I dislike him. Just because I like Yuri doesn't mean I'm biased, or prejudiced. (Unlike a certain someone.)

Ryuumishou said:

The blush isn't the only reason, I know that you could not see it through your yuri shipper eyes, but there was clearly a setup showing us there is something larger going on. "I cannot fall in love again" if this is not a line that makes you think the character is about to fall in love again while the anime shows us his sad backstory of how he lost his previous love interest then I have no clue how blind you are.

Ryuumishou said:

The blush isn't the only reason, I know that you could not see it through your yuri shipper eyes, but there was clearly a setup showing us there is something larger going on. "I cannot fall in love again" if this is not a line that makes you think the character is about to fall in love again while the anime shows us his sad backstory of how he lost his previous love interest then I have no clue how blind you are.

Mariklyn said:
Ok maybe I'm reading a bit to far into the show but, the writers seem like they are appealing to a woke audience.

We have a:

>Female lead.

>Diversity of Characters. (Which now includes planet races lol)

>Patriarchal Father figure as the "bad" guy.

>Daughter is property (i.e her hand in marriage is given to the best suitor.)

>LGBT+ shipping

Are some of the things I picked up in the episode. Granted I'm not one for woke stuff, but I got to give credit to the writers because they make it subtle so it doesn't take away from the story.

In terms of the story I am excited to see how this show plays out. I find it interesting how a space colony is using "witch" to describe gundam pilots. Plus in a strange way I hope the story pans out like the Salem witch trials, but with a space twist added on with ofc mechas.

btw is it me or do the student uniforms resemble Darling in the FRANXX uniform?