Fuuto Tantei Episode 3 Discussion

Aug 16, 2022 10:37 AM

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ie_above11D said:

JizzyHitler said:

They arent the same, the memories are a very not subtle reference to hard drugs and Chuuta got arrested because he involved himself in the black market drug trade on top of trying to murder a bunch of people through the yakuza.

Chuuta may have tried to bargain to get the main characters killed, but, that's not why he was arrested. He was arrested because he purchased the same kind of device that the main character uses. But on another level, I don't appreciate the writer of the story trying to associate magic mushrooms with "hard drugs". That alone would make me drop the show. Magic mushrooms are healing medicine proven by science. There is hypocrisy on many levels yo.

Ummmmm did you even watch Kamen Rider W before starting Fuuto Tantei? Kamen Rider W literally explained everything about Gaia Memory and how dangerous it was for people to use, Gaia Memory that was used by Shotaro isn't dangerous and although Philip Gaia Memory is dangerous, it doesn't really affect him because he is the avatar for true Gaia Memory. There are differences between Dopant Memory, Body Memory, and Soul Memory. Plus as far as I concern most of the people in the Police Department actually know about Shotaro being Kamen Rider W (Akiko's husband, Terui is the captain of Futo Police Department's Paranormal Crime Investigation Division, and also the User of Body Memory Kamen Rider Accel)

Aug 16, 2022 2:39 PM

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ie_above11D said:

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Memories inserted organically into the body can destroy someone and get them addicted with deadly side-effects if one has bad compatibility with the Memory in question. Philip and Shotaro's Memories are purified versions only usable via their drivers. That's why Chuuta is arrested for ILLEGAL MEMORY POSSESSION.

Whatever, it's still hypocrisy. The main characters should be arrested too if the basis for which the police determine guilt in this show is possession of Gaia memories. Beyond that, I'm a proponent of drug policy reform in the united states so this just rubs me the wrong way on many levels.

Don't know if normal police outside of Terui Knows that Shotaro have Memories. In KRW is a rule if you don't use memoire without driver (outside of two instance witch wher special) you will be corrupted and you will gone as mad monster that destroys everything ad some point. In this arc you can see Road witch is stated that he become cannibal because of his memory. The Chuuta for what i had seen haven't been sane himself especially when truth came about. He isn't worst case scenario but he wanted his drug to the point of killing someone and when he whas exposed he jumped to transform and we seen demonstration what he can do.
I don't like mix political mater in discussion in my contry drugs are low and are forbidden to have. That said I don't see memories as only allegory to drugs more allegory of illegal weapons but that is my take. I can see why their can bee sen that way. Even still there are in this universe memories that can devastate city. Because of that memories are for me like a gun, but more good representation would be rocket launcher. Some i could see as bio weapons or tanks and plains. I would like to make weapons legal in my country but i don't desire to have tank in my neighborhood when there is a risk that my neighbor goes mad ad attacks me. I could have myself tank and destroy my home or i could just live where there is not a mad guy with destructive power. I myself think that Shotaro should destroy his memories when all methods of creating more would be gone. I don't see memories nesesery for fuuto. But who knows how story would end. He can use a tank and as one of few didn't gone mad.
About magic mushrooms... Like i get if you can get that impression. Still it didn't say any specific mushroom name. Just generic name for mushroom that is poisonous or inedible. I repeat i can see why you can see this way i just don't agree and I don't think that was implication.

Sorry for my English. I'm just dirty Polish person passing through.

Aug 16, 2022 2:49 PM

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ie_above11D said:

ZaQuagmire said:

Memories inserted organically into the body can destroy someone and get them addicted with deadly side-effects if one has bad compatibility with the Memory in question. Philip and Shotaro's Memories are purified versions only usable via their drivers. That's why Chuuta is arrested for ILLEGAL MEMORY POSSESSION.

Whatever, it's still hypocrisy. The main characters should be arrested too if the basis for which the police determine guilt in this show is possession of Gaia memories. Beyond that, I'm a proponent of drug policy reform in the united states so this just rubs me the wrong way on many levels.

it isn't just all about ilegal memory Chuuta bought. Chuuta had intention to do his crime, he called Yakuza to kill Shotaro and Tokime secretly, he wanted to destroy anyone who understimate him. Also ilegal Gaia memory from that organization is dangerous for user psychology. Police warned people to not use that for their safety, but that organization kept selling it. It's like drugs.

However, Shotaro and Philip use Double Driver and different kind of Gaia Memory to prevent that happens and transform into Kamen Rider W, so they won't be suspected anymore. They are here to protect Fuuto city from beginning as detective.

Aug 16, 2022 4:06 PM

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DarnokNarutaki said:

ie_above11D said:

Whatever, it's still hypocrisy. The main characters should be arrested too if the basis for which the police determine guilt in this show is possession of Gaia memories. Beyond that, I'm a proponent of drug policy reform in the united states so this just rubs me the wrong way on many levels.

Don't know if normal police outside of Terui Knows that Shotaro have Memories. In KRW is a rule if you don't use memoire without driver (outside of two instance witch wher special) you will be corrupted and you will gone as mad monster that destroys everything ad some point. In this arc you can see Road witch is stated that he become cannibal because of his memory. The Chuuta for what i had seen haven't been sane himself especially when truth came about. He isn't worst case scenario but he wanted his drug to the point of killing someone and when he whas exposed he jumped to transform and we seen demonstration what he can do.
I don't like mix political mater in discussion in my contry drugs are low and are forbidden to have. That said I don't see memories as only allegory to drugs more allegory of illegal weapons but that is my take. I can see why their can bee sen that way. Even still there are in this universe memories that can devastate city. Because of that memories are for me like a gun, but more good representation would be rocket launcher. Some i could see as bio weapons or tanks and plains. I would like to make weapons legal in my country but i don't desire to have tank in my neighborhood when there is a risk that my neighbor goes mad ad attacks me. I could have myself tank and destroy my home or i could just live where there is not a mad guy with destructive power. I myself think that Shotaro should destroy his memories when all methods of creating more would be gone. I don't see memories nesesery for fuuto. But who knows how story would end. He can use a tank and as one of few didn't gone mad.
About magic mushrooms... Like i get if you can get that impression. Still it didn't say any specific mushroom name. Just generic name for mushroom that is poisonous or inedible. I repeat i can see why you can see this way i just don't agree and I don't think that was implication.

Sorry for my English. I'm just dirty Polish person passing through.

Thank you for replying to my comment. I was able to understand your points even though there are some grammar errors. I am not defending Chuuta's behaviors, I just found it hypocritical for Shoutarou to be using the same type of device and get away with it. I'm not familiar with the Kamen Rider series, so if it actually is a different type of device, then I suppose it's not as bad as I thought. However, I do think that Chuuta's Gaia memory was an analogy for Magic Mushrooms which are highly stigmatized in Japan. For this reason alone I would not continue the series, because Magic Mushrooms have been very helpful to me, by helping me quit smoking, drinking, and being depressed.

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Aug 16, 2022 4:11 PM

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MG_Othinus said:

ie_above11D said:

Chuuta may have tried to bargain to get the main characters killed, but, that's not why he was arrested. He was arrested because he purchased the same kind of device that the main character uses. But on another level, I don't appreciate the writer of the story trying to associate magic mushrooms with "hard drugs". That alone would make me drop the show. Magic mushrooms are healing medicine proven by science. There is hypocrisy on many levels yo.

Ummmmm did you even watch Kamen Rider W before starting Fuuto Tantei? Kamen Rider W literally explained everything about Gaia Memory and how dangerous it was for people to use, Gaia Memory that was used by Shotaro isn't dangerous and although Philip Gaia Memory is dangerous, it doesn't really affect him because he is the avatar for true Gaia Memory. There are differences between Dopant Memory, Body Memory, and Soul Memory. Plus as far as I concern most of the people in the Police Department actually know about Shotaro being Kamen Rider W (Akiko's husband, Terui is the captain of Futo Police Department's Paranormal Crime Investigation Division, and also the User of Body Memory Kamen Rider Accel)

All that being the case, I would still drop this series for their depiction of Chuuta's Gaia memory which I suspect was an analogy for Magic Mushrooms. Even if Shoutarou wasn't being hypocritical somehow, because he was using some safe version of Gaia memories, I don't support authors who stigmatize psychedelics. Magic Mushrooms have been very helpful to me, by helping me quit smoking, drinking, and being depressed.

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Aug 16, 2022 4:59 PM

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kamen rider w is the best

Aug 16, 2022 5:11 PM

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ie_above11D said:

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Ummmmm did you even watch Kamen Rider W before starting Fuuto Tantei? Kamen Rider W literally explained everything about Gaia Memory and how dangerous it was for people to use, Gaia Memory that was used by Shotaro isn't dangerous and although Philip Gaia Memory is dangerous, it doesn't really affect him because he is the avatar for true Gaia Memory. There are differences between Dopant Memory, Body Memory, and Soul Memory. Plus as far as I concern most of the people in the Police Department actually know about Shotaro being Kamen Rider W (Akiko's husband, Terui is the captain of Futo Police Department's Paranormal Crime Investigation Division, and also the User of Body Memory Kamen Rider Accel)

All that being the case, I would still drop this series for their depiction of Chuuta's Gaia memory which I suspect was an analogy for Magic Mushrooms. Even if Shoutarou wasn't being hypocritical somehow, because he was using some safe version of Gaia memories, I don't support authors who stigmatize psychedelics. Magic Mushrooms have been very helpful to me, by helping me quit smoking, drinking, and being depressed.

Well to clarify something to consider you didn't know much about KR W, Chuuta's Gaia memory is Toadstool aka mushroom that highly poisonous to humans. Again as I mention Dopant Memory is different than Body Memory like Shoutaro and Soul Memory like Philip. Dopant Memory attack both body and mind alike to the point where it can destroy you both physically and Mentally, It is just like taking drugs the more you take the more dangerous it will be to the point where you aren't yourself anymore. Body Memory is a Purified version of Gaia Memory and only can be used when you have Memory Driver (Shotaro Belt), and the advantage of Body/Soul Memory is you can destroy the Dopant Memory without killing the user by using a Memory Break attack (Basically the finisher move), There are only 4 users of Body Memory as far as I can remember. Philip is the only one who can use Soul Memory because he is the avatar of True Gaia Memory basically the purest among purest, this discovery about Philip had been covered back in 2009-2010 in the Kamen Rider W series.

Aug 16, 2022 5:22 PM

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MG_Othinus said:

ie_above11D said:

All that being the case, I would still drop this series for their depiction of Chuuta's Gaia memory which I suspect was an analogy for Magic Mushrooms. Even if Shoutarou wasn't being hypocritical somehow, because he was using some safe version of Gaia memories, I don't support authors who stigmatize psychedelics. Magic Mushrooms have been very helpful to me, by helping me quit smoking, drinking, and being depressed.

Well to clarify something to consider you didn't know much about KR W, Chuuta's Gaia memory is Toadstool aka mushroom that highly poisonous to humans. Again as I mention Dopant Memory is different than Body Memory like Shoutaro and Soul Memory like Philip. Dopant Memory attack both body and mind alike to the point where it can destroy you both physically and Mentally, It is just like taking drugs the more you take the more dangerous it will be to the point where you aren't yourself anymore. Body Memory is a Purified version of Gaia Memory and only can be used when you have Memory Driver (Shotaro Belt), and the advantage of Body/Soul Memory is you can destroy the Dopant Memory without killing the user by using a Memory Break attack (Basically the finisher move), There are only 4 users of Body Memory as far as I can remember. Philip is the only one who can use Soul Memory because he is the avatar of True Gaia Memory basically the purest among purest, this discovery about Philip had been covered back in 2009-2010 in the Kamen Rider W series.

The term Toadstool is synonymous with mushroom, they are basically the same word. Google pulls up the definition for mushroom if you google toadstool, but Encyclopedia Britannica defines Toadstool as a cover term for poisonous mushrooms, but again, I don't think that's what was being referred to here. The writer was probably insinuating psychoactive mushrooms, not actually poisonous mushrooms. Again, this is bothersome enough for me to drop the show. I nearly watched it while on magic mushrooms, lol.

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Aug 16, 2022 5:51 PM

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ie_above11D said:

MG_Othinus said:

ie_above11D said:

MG_Othinus said:

ie_above11D said:

JizzyHitler said:

ie_above11D said:
I did not appreciate Shoutarou getting Chuuta arrested for trying to use the same bullshit USB powers drugs that he uses. Dropped for hypocrisy.

They arent the same, the memories are a very not subtle reference to hard drugs and Chuuta got arrested because he involved himself in the black market drug trade on top of trying to murder a bunch of people through the yakuza.

Chuuta may have tried to bargain to get the main characters killed, but, that's not why he was arrested. He was arrested because he purchased the same kind of device that the main character uses. But on another level, I don't appreciate the writer of the story trying to associate magic mushrooms with "hard drugs". That alone would make me drop the show. Magic mushrooms are healing medicine proven by science. There is hypocrisy on many levels yo.

Ummmmm did you even watch Kamen Rider W before starting Fuuto Tantei? Kamen Rider W literally explained everything about Gaia Memory and how dangerous it was for people to use, Gaia Memory that was used by Shotaro isn't dangerous and although Philip Gaia Memory is dangerous, it doesn't really affect him because he is the avatar for true Gaia Memory. There are differences between Dopant Memory, Body Memory, and Soul Memory. Plus as far as I concern most of the people in the Police Department actually know about Shotaro being Kamen Rider W (Akiko's husband, Terui is the captain of Futo Police Department's Paranormal Crime Investigation Division, and also the User of Body Memory Kamen Rider Accel)

All that being the case, I would still drop this series for their depiction of Chuuta's Gaia memory which I suspect was an analogy for Magic Mushrooms. Even if Shoutarou wasn't being hypocritical somehow, because he was using some safe version of Gaia memories, I don't support authors who stigmatize psychedelics. Magic Mushrooms have been very helpful to me, by helping me quit smoking, drinking, and being depressed.

Well to clarify something to consider you didn't know much about KR W, Chuuta's Gaia memory is Toadstool aka mushroom that highly poisonous to humans. Again as I mention Dopant Memory is different than Body Memory like Shoutaro and Soul Memory like Philip. Dopant Memory attack both body and mind alike to the point where it can destroy you both physically and Mentally, It is just like taking drugs the more you take the more dangerous it will be to the point where you aren't yourself anymore. Body Memory is a Purified version of Gaia Memory and only can be used when you have Memory Driver (Shotaro Belt), and the advantage of Body/Soul Memory is you can destroy the Dopant Memory without killing the user by using a Memory Break attack (Basically the finisher move), There are only 4 users of Body Memory as far as I can remember. Philip is the only one who can use Soul Memory because he is the avatar of True Gaia Memory basically the purest among purest, this discovery about Philip had been covered back in 2009-2010 in the Kamen Rider W series.

The term Toadstool is synonymous with mushroom, they are basically the same word. Google pulls up the definition for mushroom if you google toadstool, but Encyclopedia Britannica defines Toadstool as a cover term for poisonous mushrooms, but again, I don't think that's what was being referred to here. The writer was probably insinuating psychoactive mushrooms, not actually poisonous mushrooms. Again, this is bothersome enough for me to drop the show. I nearly watched it while on magic mushrooms, lol.

Ummmm No, check the mange the design on the Toadstool memory is Toadstool Mushroom and not Psilocybin Mushroom. Like I said the more Chuuta uses it the more he will become insane. In the manga, he tried to attack Shotaro but Terui interfere before Chuuta can do anything, dunno why did the anime replace Terui with Mikio. If you want to drop then it up to you but I need to clear some misunderstanding regarding Chuuta arrest. He being caught by police is 100% justified, first involving himself with the black market which is highly illegal in Japan, second buying Gaia Memory which is like buying drugs but worst considering it will lead to many death of not just himself but also the civilians take Road Dopant, for example, it caused the user to become a cannibal.

Aug 16, 2022 6:01 PM

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