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Jul 16, 2022 11:16 PM
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So apparently Chisato can predict the trajectory of a bullet and dodge it. We see her dodge bullets fired at her, in point blank range.
Thing is, at the bare minimum, the speed of a bullet is 100 m/s. We'll assume point blank distance to be one meter. So the time the bullet takes to reach Chisato, after pulling the trigger, would be 0.01 seconds. For the human brain to differenciate between two events, visually, it needs a minimum time interval of 0.25s between them.

So, the time interval from the instant someone points the gun at her and pulls the trigger, to the the instant the bullet makes contact with her, should all be one moment in her head, hence, she shouldn't be able to dodge.

You know what, we'll assume the gun man takes 0.2/0.3 seconds to pull the trigger. Even then, she should literally just be able to tell these two events apart. There is no scope for any reaction on her part. And keep in mind, most bullets travel way faster than 100 m/s, and while I'm no expert on guns, I believe, at point blank range it will take people faster than 0.2s to pull the trigger, as they don't have to aim. So yeah, even in the ideal case, Chisato shouldn't be able dodge fucking bullets.

Edit- Fun fact, this 0.3s rule is also why you see after images. If you move your hand quickly, it will, say, for the sake of convience, exist in five different positions. Your brain wouldn't be able to tell these events apart, and hence, you'll see your hand in five positions at the same time.
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Jul 16, 2022 11:24 PM
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So... what's the point of this post? Aside from stating what was already said in the anime.

We already know that Chisato can dodge bullets.
Jul 16, 2022 11:27 PM
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Sir, this is anime.
Young girls doing anti terrorism is off by itself.

Anyway, Chisato's backstory is yet to be revealed and by know we know that she is THE best Lycoris.
I guess she was somehow augmented or experimented on.
Jul 16, 2022 11:29 PM
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Something being exceptional to or flouting the laws of physics entirely even in purportedly non-supernatural stories is completely the norm for anime/cartoons/television/film.
Jul 17, 2022 12:06 AM
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Yoo he went full on science mode wtf?!
Jul 17, 2022 12:15 AM
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is it scientifically accurate getting bitten by radioactive spider give you superpower?
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Jul 17, 2022 12:45 AM
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theassholeofmal said:
So apparently Chisato can predict the trajectory of a bullet and dodge it. We see her dodge bullets fired at her, in point blank range.
Thing is, at the bare minimum, the speed of a bullet is 100 m/s. We'll assume point blank distance to be one meter. So the time the bullet takes to reach Chisato, after pulling the trigger, would be 0.01 seconds. For the human brain to differenciate between two events, visually, it needs a minimum time interval of 0.25s between them.

So, the time interval from the instant someone points the gun at her and pulls the trigger, to the the instant the bullet makes contact with her, should all be one moment in her head, hence, she shouldn't be able to dodge.

You know what, we'll assume the gun man takes 0.2/0.3 seconds to pull the trigger. Even then, she should literally just be able to tell these two events apart. There is no scope for any reaction on her part. And keep in mind, most bullets travel way faster than 100 m/s, and while I'm no expert on guns, I believe, at point blank range it will take people faster than 0.2s to pull the trigger, as they don't have to aim. So yeah, even in the ideal case, Chisato shouldn't be able dodge fucking bullets.

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Jul 17, 2022 1:02 AM
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Jul 17, 2022 2:28 AM

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This isnt the real world, thats not how anime works
Jul 17, 2022 2:49 AM
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it’s never that deep
Jul 17, 2022 3:20 AM
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This makes me want to rip my eyeballs out.
Jul 17, 2022 3:23 AM
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Chisato isn't human then๐Ÿ˜ฑ๐Ÿ˜ฑ
Jul 17, 2022 3:26 AM

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Chisato is a Superhuman.
In the Trailer we can see, that she was trained since her childhood.
Jul 17, 2022 3:34 AM

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This is one of the reasons why Physic is my least favorite subject but I do get where you're coming from though
Jul 17, 2022 4:16 AM
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Well, it’s anime. Fictionalized. In other words, it doesn’t have to make sense.

Oh and great job on the analyzing, but for the sake of your argument, I think it’s best if you don’t watch anime anymore if you look this extensively into it. Just have fun and enjoy the show! Sure, it’s fine to analyze but that should come secondary, at least for me.
Jul 17, 2022 4:22 AM
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this man forgot its anime
Jul 17, 2022 4:25 AM

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She dodge before gunshot by recognizing the trajectory and timing using her excellent insight. If you calculate the speed of her movement to the speed of the bullet + the trigger speed then multiply to the point black distance of 1 meter, we have the formula (0.25s/ 100m/s + 0.2s )(1m) = 6.9s. It make sense in this case since both of them are girls.
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Well, it’s anime. Fictionalized. In other words, it doesn’t have to make sense.

Oh and great job on the analyzing, but for the sake of your argument, I think it’s best if you don’t watch anime anymore if you look this extensively into it. Just have fun and enjoy the show! Sure, it’s fine to analyze but that should come secondary, at least for me.

See, I know all to well that there are certain shows where I am better off turning off my brain and having fun. This wasn't one of them, so it just pricks me a little, when I realise this cheap plot device would be a recurring event.
Jul 17, 2022 4:36 AM
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The fact that she can dodge bullets, as unrealistic as it is, isn’t even my biggest issue with the show.
In the first scene we see her dodging bullets, the guy empties a magazine, but all his bullets would’ve hit her if she didn’t move. His aim with the first round looked like something you see in a CS GO spray control tutorial.
Then he reloads, and I can only assume he got a stroke that made him forget how to aim, because he can’t hit Chisato while she’s walking straight towards him.
Yes, her ability is highly unrealistic, but please show, don’t turn all the enemies into stormtroopers. Have them be competent, but have the protagonists be more competent, and I’ll be happy.
Jul 17, 2022 5:27 AM

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Damn, My mind went blank

Jul 17, 2022 5:58 AM

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Bruv chill out, its just an anime. Anime and logic are like two different things from two different universe lel
Jul 17, 2022 6:03 AM

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Instead of dismissing what you're saying here, I would say how we can apply logic to this? Even with her back story revealed and her way of doing things, it wouldn't work. So yeah, no answer on my part.




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Jul 17, 2022 6:24 AM

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I know anime and logic don't really mixed well but don't you think for her to dodge automatic rifle bullets is too much for an anime like this? I mean that sh*t literally sprayed all over the room (we are talking about Ak47 here). Even the shooter cant predict where the bullet will land. How can she dodge all of them? 2 or 3 maybe. But not all of them while running in a straight line. They better give her an explanation like Chisato being superhuman or humanoid to justify this sh*t
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Jul 17, 2022 7:10 AM

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To OP, instead of question the logic behind Chisato dodging skill, you should just accept that Chisato can do it as the show claimed and analyze her strength & weakness base on those info instead.

Secret333 said:
The fact that she can dodge bullets, as unrealistic as it is, isn’t even my biggest issue with the show.
In the first scene we see her dodging bullets, the guy empties a magazine, but all his bullets would’ve hit her if she didn’t move. His aim with the first round looked like something you see in a CS GO spray control tutorial.
Then he reloads, and I can only assume he got a stroke that made him forget how to aim, because he can’t hit Chisato while she’s walking straight towards him.
Yes, her ability is highly unrealistic, but please show, don’t turn all the enemies into stormtroopers. Have them be competent, but have the protagonists be more competent, and I’ll be happy.


She dodged the bullet the same way she did before the reload (Did you notice that brief closed-up at her eyes? She was looking at the tip of his gun), they just showed them from the side way as she moved toward him.

Alslo, ep.3 just told us that she will have easier time dodging if enemy fire with high accuracy.
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She dodged the bullet the same way she did before the reload (Did you notice that brief closed-up at her eyes? She was looking at the tip of his gun), they just showed them from the side way as she moved toward him.

Alslo, ep.3 just told us that she will have easier time dodging if enemy fire with high accuracy.


I rewatched that scene and she certainly doen't move in any way except walking forward. Even if it's framed from the side we should be able to tell if she's dodging to the side, which she doesn't look like she's doing that.
Also, she had her gun loaded before that guy reloaded his gun. She could've shot him earlier but decided to take a few steps forward, let him shoot several more bullets before she shot him.

"To OP, instead of question the logic behind Chisato dodging skill, you should just accept that Chisato can do it as the show claimed and analyze her strength & weakness base on those info instead."


I certainly wouldn't advocate for just accepting what shows tell you so easily as they can get away with shitty writing if everyone did that. People can be put off by Chisato's extraordinary abillity as much as they want.
Jul 17, 2022 8:46 PM

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Man, i show this opinion repeatedly. I think chisato has a superhuman reflex is hinted from ep 1. If u want logic for this show i think maybe u will disappointed. Maybe this show isn't for u. Just drop it.
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Jul 17, 2022 9:47 PM
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Dude, it's an anime to begin with, but do you want a reasonable explanation? Fine, if you pay attention to what the director says, you will realize that she does not dodge bullets as such, it is obvious that a bullet will be faster than her, when the director talks about how she can predict trajectories, she is not referring to when the bullet is already in the air, but when it is about to leave the barrel. That means she's not really dodging bullets, but rather anticipating where each bullet is going to hit before the shooter pulls the trigger. Simply put, you don't need to dodge when you know in advance where the projectiles are going to hit. That's why her ex-partner says that the more precise, the easier it is for her to dodge and that is why his ex-partner shoots him from behind and without looking, since a stray bullet is more likely to hit her. I'm surprised you missed this in light of your elaborate "analysis".
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Secret333 said:

I rewatched that scene and she certainly doen't move in any way except walking forward. Even if it's framed from the side we should be able to tell if she's dodging to the side, which she doesn't look like she's doing that.
Also, she had her gun loaded before that guy reloaded his gun. She could've shot him earlier but decided to take a few steps forward, let him shoot several more bullets before she shot him.

"To OP, instead of question the logic behind Chisato dodging skill, you should just accept that Chisato can do it as the show claimed and analyze her strength & weakness base on those info instead."


I certainly wouldn't advocate for just accepting what shows tell you so easily as they can get away with shitty writing if everyone did that. People can be put off by Chisato's extraordinary abillity as much as they want.


Three things.

1. The second time she dodged was showed as a confirmation to audience that the first time she did it (before reload) was not a fluke but her skill. It's a story telling technique. So yes, she did the same thing. It was a bad drawing that made it look like she just proceed toward him without dodging.

2. Chisato knows her own skill and ability and she has been doing this for years. She knew he was not a big threat for her and can calmly took care of him. This scene basically told us how much experience Chisato has.

3. Not realistic doesn't always mean a bad writing as long as the story can make it work in its setting. And so far, it is not a problem at all for MOST people. (If it is for you, then I am sorry to hear that)

I will repeat: It's easier to just accept that Chisato can do it. You should spend your time analyzing her strength & weakness, and her limitation base on what the show told us about her ability instead. That's how we always do when discuss about something 'unrealistic' in media.

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Three things.

1. The second time she dodged was showed as a confirmation to audience that the first time she did it (before reload) was not a fluke but her skill. It's a story telling technique. So yes, she did the same thing. It was a bad drawing that made it look like she just proceed toward him without dodging.

2. Chisato knows her own skill and ability and she has been doing this for years. She knew he was not a big threat for her and can calmly took care of him. This scene basically told us how much experience Chisato has.

3. Not realistic doesn't always mean a bad writing as long as the story can make it work in its setting. And so far, it is not a problem at all for MOST people. (If it is for you, then I am sorry to hear that)

I will repeat: It's easier to just accept that Chisato can do it. You should spend your time analyzing her strength & weakness, and her limitation base on what the show told us about her ability instead. That's how we always do when discuss about something 'unrealistic' in media.



1- So the way the scene is shown makes her look like she just walks towards him. We just have to infer that she was actually dodging?

2- I agree with that, but none of those things gives me a good reason for why she waited. She took care of everyone quickly and calmly. If anything, she had kind of a blank expression one her face in this scene. Like she wasn't really thinking when dodging or when firing.

3- I agree, but I think the show needs to give good reasons why characters can do what they do. If the only reason she can dodge so well is because she was trained from very early in her life, or because she's just gifted, that would be enough for me to accept that, I care more about how consistent her ability is, but I can see how other people might have a harder time believing that.

I don't have a huge problem with Chisato's ability so far. It was jarring seeing it the first time but after that I just thought "ok, she can dodge bullets, I guess". Notice my criticism is against the second time the gunman started firing. The scene shows his aim getting worse suddenly. Chisato moving a lot less, to the point where she was just walking forward. She waits before firing when there wasn't a reason to do so, and she doesn't look to me like she was trying to show off to the enemies that they can't hit her during that scene.
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ricechou said:
Well, it’s anime. Fictionalized. In other words, it doesn’t have to make sense.

Oh and great job on the analyzing, but for the sake of your argument, I think it’s best if you don’t watch anime anymore if you look this extensively into it. Just have fun and enjoy the show! Sure, it’s fine to analyze but that should come secondary, at least for me.

See, I know all to well that there are certain shows where I am better off turning off my brain and having fun. This wasn't one of them, so it just pricks me a little, when I realise this cheap plot device would be a recurring event.


Why wouldn't this be one of them. Did the opening strike you as realistic?

What's cheap about it?
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Jul 18, 2022 1:59 PM

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We do know she's a superhuman. That said, I think she judges the trajectory based on the gun's barrel rather than the bullet itself.




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I take someone can punch another person once and the fight's done. I see no reason then to ridicule a genki avoiding bullets.
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bela_lolxx said:
This makes me want to rip my eyeballs out.

Not as much as the series itself
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Animillion said:
bela_lolxx said:
This makes me want to rip my eyeballs out.

Not as much as the series itself


This series is the best out of the summer 22 season lol.
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bela_lolxx said:
Animillion said:

Not as much as the series itself


This series is the best out of the summer 22 season lol.

Yea… not for me and many others. This series being considered “the best” would mean that this season as a whole is sh*t. If you think the season is sh*t then so be it. Btw, imagine if Chisato was a male and that this series wasn’t an all-girl series. I can almost guarantee that many people that are fans of this would lose interest
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Animillion said:
bela_lolxx said:


This series is the best out of the summer 22 season lol.

Yea… not for me. This series being considered “the best” would mean that this season as a whole is sh*t. If you think the season is sh*t then so be it. Btw, imagine if Chisato was a male and that this series wasn’t an all-girl series. I can almost guarantee that most people that are fans of this would lose interest


This whole summer season is a sleeper season. Out of all the summer premiers this one was by far the best. I would watch this show no matter if Chisato was a girl or boy. Maybe you’re right but this show would still have fans ether way lol. It would have less male fans but it still would have fans.
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Animillion said:

Yea… not for me. This series being considered “the best” would mean that this season as a whole is sh*t. If you think the season is sh*t then so be it. Btw, imagine if Chisato was a male and that this series wasn’t an all-girl series. I can almost guarantee that most people that are fans of this would lose interest


This whole summer season is a sleeper season. Out of all the summer premiers this one was by far the best. I would watch this show no matter if Chisato was a girl or boy. Maybe you’re right but this show would still have fans ether way lol. It would have less male fans but it still would have fans.

Obviously it would have fans, but a lot of them are flocking to it because of it being all-girl and Chisato being a Mary Sue type character. If it was a male then people would be like “omg just another OP mc”. Also, Call of the Night was the best new anime imo and will only get better based on the manga. And if you wanna talk about sleepers, then that tile belongs to STR and AoAshi. Criminally underrated series compared to this overhyped one.
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Animillion said:
bela_lolxx said:


This whole summer season is a sleeper season. Out of all the summer premiers this one was by far the best. I would watch this show no matter if Chisato was a girl or boy. Maybe you’re right but this show would still have fans ether way lol. It would have less male fans but it still would have fans.

Obviously it would have fans, but a lot of them are flocking to it because of it being all-girl and Chisato being a Mary Sue type character. If it was a male then people would be like “omg just another OP mc”. Also, Call of the Night was the best new anime imo and will only get better based on the manga. And if you wanna talk about sleepers, then that tile belongs to STR and AoAshi. Criminally underrated series compared to this overhyped one.


The reason so many people “flock” to the series is because we barely ever have strong female mcs in anime made for male audiences. They are always supporting characters but never the mc. It’s fun to see a girl doing cool things without a male beating her out in power. Call of the night is ok i just feel like i see it all the time in male targeted romances. A mysterious/cool or interesting girl and a boring boy romance. Don’t get me wrong i’m not biased towards shoujo i just feel like all of the other series this season are very run of the mill. Same with when will ayumu make his move. This season also has rent a girlfriend season 2 airing which just isn’t good. There are ton or gross run of the mill romance airing this season. This is why this show stands out. This this why this anime season is bad there is no variety.
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I’m sure this has been said multiple times, but OP, this is an anime. You’re here wondering about how a girl can dodge bullets and not wondering about how 16 year old girls can carry guns and stop terrorists?
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shironeko13 said:
I’m sure this has been said multiple times, but OP, this is an anime. You’re here wondering about how a girl can dodge bullets and not wondering about how 16 year old girls can carry guns and stop terrorists?

A sixteen year old girl gifghting terrorists with guns is a stretch, but ultimately, possible. Dodging bullets is physically impossible at that range. This show primarily features gun combat, so having a protagonist who can do that just ruins a lot.
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As much as I want to talk about this theory, I think that 1) there isn't any proof to carry it for now; and 2) we have seen these kind of unrealistic abilities before. Like sure, a lot of anime has a certain degree of fiction to it, but ridiculous levels of reaction that isn't supported by magic or experimentation isn't uncommon. One example is the Sword Eater in Failed Knight Chivalry, who can react and act 10 times faster than any regular swordsmen.

Until we see the rest of the series, I think we can leave theory on hold for the time being.
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So apparently Chisato can predict the trajectory of a bullet and dodge it. We see her dodge bullets fired at her, in point blank range.
Thing is, at the bare minimum, the speed of a bullet is 100 m/s. We'll assume point blank distance to be one meter. So the time the bullet takes to reach Chisato, after pulling the trigger, would be 0.01 seconds. For the human brain to differenciate between two events, visually, it needs a minimum time interval of 0.25s between them.

So, the time interval from the instant someone points the gun at her and pulls the trigger, to the the instant the bullet makes contact with her, should all be one moment in her head, hence, she shouldn't be able to dodge.

You know what, we'll assume the gun man takes 0.2/0.3 seconds to pull the trigger. Even then, she should literally just be able to tell these two events apart. There is no scope for any reaction on her part. And keep in mind, most bullets travel way faster than 100 m/s, and while I'm no expert on guns, I believe, at point blank range it will take people faster than 0.2s to pull the trigger, as they don't have to aim. So yeah, even in the ideal case, Chisato shouldn't be able dodge fucking bullets.

Edit- Fun fact, this 0.3s rule is also why you see after images. If you move your hand quickly, it will, say, for the sake of convience, exist in five different positions. Your brain wouldn't be able to tell these events apart, and hence, you'll see your hand in five positions at the same time.
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Yeah, it would've made sense if Chisato did some teleportation or moved so quickly she leaves afterimages of herself - similar to what agents do in the Matrix lol. It looks corny how she's just casually dodging full-auto at point-blank range. It's your typical "anime moment" basically. What makes this part so cringe (rather than awesome) is how laws of physics in this world are pretty much the same as in real world, and yet it seems like Chisato is likely the only person who can do that kind of stuff even though she's human.
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theassholeofmal said:
shironeko13 said:
I’m sure this has been said multiple times, but OP, this is an anime. You’re here wondering about how a girl can dodge bullets and not wondering about how 16 year old girls can carry guns and stop terrorists?

A sixteen year old girl gifghting terrorists with guns is a stretch, but ultimately, possible. Dodging bullets is physically impossible at that range. This show primarily features gun combat, so having a protagonist who can do that just ruins a lot.

Yeah, dodging bullets makes sense is Matrix for instance, but wouldn't make sense in John Wick, even though the guy's #1 best hitman in existence. That's why they have bulletproof suits there though.
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Sigmar-Unberogen said:
theassholeofmal said:

A sixteen year old girl gifghting terrorists with guns is a stretch, but ultimately, possible. Dodging bullets is physically impossible at that range. This show primarily features gun combat, so having a protagonist who can do that just ruins a lot.

Yeah, dodging bullets makes sense is Matrix for instance, but wouldn't make sense in John Wick, even though the guy's #1 best hitman in existence. That's why they have bulletproof suits there though.


"wouldn't make sense in John Wick"

Eh, please explain 0.32-0.37 in this video

Marina2Aug 2, 2022 2:58 AM
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"wouldn't make sense in John Wick"

Eh, please explain 0.32-0.37 in this video



I've already said: "That's why they have bulletproof suits there though."

1 perfectly normal dodge from the Asian guy and then it's all bullets to the suit exchange.
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Did you forget that these characters live in the Matrix?
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