Enough Pandering to Idealism, Let's be Real for a Moment

Harsh_ahir said:
It was eren's fault for knowingly playing into willy's hand if he hadn't then the world wouldn't be after them

Dragevard said:


Willy created the World Alliance to crush Paradis
Eren kills Willy
The World Alliance tries to crush Paradis

What are you smoking buddy?

Harsh_ahir said:
It was eren's fault for knowingly playing into willy's hand if he hadn't then the world wouldn't be after them

Sujal234 said:

If you go and watch it again then you can see that it was willy tyber who declared war with rest of the world against paradis and the MOMENT after he declares war eren attacks and he dies.
IT WAS ALWAYS THE WORLD/WILLY WHO FIRST DECLARED AND MADE THE 1ST STEP AND AFTER THAT EREN ATTACKS ON LIBERO AND COUNTERS THEM.
even if willy didn't died /eren didn't attack on that day , still rest of the world will attack them because they accepted willys offer to come together Against paradis and except willy, rest of the world chiefs vips didn't knew that eren was going to attack, but still they accepted the declaration of war.
It was the world who started this war after 2000 years.

Harsh_ahir said:
It was eren's fault for knowingly playing into willy's hand if he hadn't then the world wouldn't be after them

Harsh_ahir said:
but that doesn't mean everyone would've supported him and if that was the case why did willy have to die cuz willy and maggath knew that eren was gonna attack that's why they sacrificed willy they placed all of high up Marley brass together so that eren can kill them qnd maggath would build it up with people he trusts and they did not need to call people from all over the world, but they did so that eren can kill them or they can see the threat and tell others

Stygian_Prisoner said:


I dunno about that, i believe that the World Alliance would have still gone against Paradis regardless of whether Eren's attack on Liberio happened or not. I mean, Willy's little "Eren is the REAL monster!" fearmongering propaganda theatrics was already shown to be highly effective among his audience, including the nobility/military and government higher-ups.

The moment that war was declared on Paradis, Eren simply gave them all what they paid for.

sonu711 said:

what If even half of the world is after a small island, does the situation Change? no. Killing everyone was the best option

Daylen825 said:
Worst anime adaptation , mappa could do better , even berserk 2016 had a better storyline and animation, give this a rating of 1 bc mappa hasn't made any effort and needs to take lessons from Ufotable

Dragevard said:


Willy created the World Alliance to crush Paradis
Eren kills Willy
The World Alliance tries to crush Paradis either way

What are you smoking buddy?

Dragevard said:
Can Paradis, a tiny ass island with limited resources, defend from the invasion of the entire world after a mini-Rumbling? After a mini Rumbling helped poured oil into the fire? After technology advanced to the point where Titans are irrelevant? (Note: current tech can pierce the Plot Armor Titan's armor) Or is Paradis a just sitting duck waiting to be demolished?

Daylen825 said:
Worst anime adaptation , mappa could do better , even berserk 2016 had a better storyline and animation, give this a rating of 1 bc mappa hasn't made any effort and needs to take lessons from Ufotable

Catalano said:
ok, let's think of this scenario and make a plan
- Paradis has to get all of the shifters from Marley which is easy because they already have the Founder + Zeke, Eren uses his power to call them, some Paradis loyalists eat them
- Eren uses the titans from some walls to attack the alliance
- the alliance is crushed and can't do a thing anymore
- in the years that eren is still alive, Paradis sends shifters and soldiers to destroy all military tech
- the only way Paradis can survive is ally with hiizuru, they sent in tech and knowledge and Paradis lets them live
- they force zeke to impregnate a woman or just steal his semen, then they use those children as royal blood, they don't have to sacrifice historia
- they send in spies to keep up with the world's developments, if some country develops some weapon, the spies and the shifters have to take care of that, they destroy it, kill all involved and steal the weapon
- hitoria educates her children the ways of eren and Paradis so that they will be loyal to the island, then they only have to connect with the one who has the Founder Titan which is also a loyalist
- spying go both ways so now Paradis has to be extra careful, only allowing to the island hiizuru officials and eldians (they can be controlled by the Founder). I know IDs can be faked, but Paradis is an island, just let only a few people there who have all the requirements.
- but let's say a spy gets there and hell breaks lose, then just use the other wall titans to destroy their country, that should make the world know its lesson
- and if hell really breaks lose, the Founder can just transform all the outside eldians into titans and kill a lot
- and if hell hell breaks lose, just rumble the world and kill all

Daylen825 said:
Worst anime adaptation , mappa could do better , even berserk 2016 had a better storyline and animation, give this a rating of 1 bc mappa hasn't made any effort and needs to take lessons from Ufotable

Daylen825 said:
Worst anime adaptation , mappa could do better , even berserk 2016 had a better storyline and animation, give this a rating of 1 bc mappa hasn't made any effort and needs to take lessons from Ufotable

racers551 said:

His entire reason the world alliance was able to happen was through him killing willy. If he didn't kill Willy, they could have easily had the rumbling.

Catalano said:
- they force zeke to impregnate a woman or just steal his semen, then they use those children as royal blood, they don't have to sacrifice historia

Daylen825 said:
Worst anime adaptation , mappa could do better , even berserk 2016 had a better storyline and animation, give this a rating of 1 bc mappa hasn't made any effort and needs to take lessons from Ufotable

TheFounder131 said:
People who think mini rumbling would do anything in favour of paradise are brain dead objectively.

Dragevard said:
Can Paradis, a tiny ass island with limited resources, defend from the invasion of the entire world after a mini-Rumbling? After a mini Rumbling helped poured oil into the fire? After technology advanced to the point where Titans are irrelevant? (Note: current tech can pierce the Plot Armor Titan's armor) Or is Paradis a just sitting duck waiting to be demolished?

Dragevard said:
Can Paradis, a tiny ass island with limited resources, defend from the invasion of the entire world after a mini-Rumbling? After a mini Rumbling helped poured oil into the fire? After technology advanced to the point where Titans are irrelevant? (Note: current tech can pierce the Plot Armor Titan's armor) Or is Paradis a just sitting duck waiting to be demolished?

Alvacka97 said:
People who think a full rumbling would solve Paradis' problems are brain dead objectively.

Alvacka97 said:
"After technology advanced to the point where Titans are irrelevant"
Technology hasn't advanced to the point it can stop the attack of millions of Colossal Titans, and it never will, at least not in the case of AoT's world where nukes don't exist.
The rumbling is an apocalyptic event for a reason, no man-made weapon can stop it.
Willy Tybur said this in the manga, a shame it got cut in the anime:

Lezzi said:

Then there would be no need for the rumbling since EVERYONE on Paradis clearly didn't want it to happen... quite obviously shown by the most recent episodes.

LeonYeager said:
well actually, it can and here's my reasoning: eren kills every single non eldian in the world, he gathers all of the eldians in paradise Island (it doesn't have the walls now, and there are no Titans so they can live anywhere on the island and there won't be any shortage of living space, not like there was much even before in the series), eren brain washes everyone so that they won't be able to commit any crimes or villainy (tho it's out of character from him, he stated many times that he hates ppl who want to take other's freedom, and be able to kill another person is kinda freedom from eren's pov?), Then after 4 years eren gives his titans to historia to keep his "peace"(again, out of character from him, for obvious reasons, and I think the ft brain washing effect of eren bests the one from the first king of the walls, so the events of 100 years before the start of the series won't be repeated), historia gives the titans to her kids and the cycle continues. Also Armin, Reiner and the other shifters die here(again, out of character from eren)and the titan curse will continue in generations, BUT paradise will be saved and there will be an eternal peace for it's ppl

Daylen825 said:
Worst anime adaptation , mappa could do better , even berserk 2016 had a better storyline and animation, give this a rating of 1 bc mappa hasn't made any effort and needs to take lessons from Ufotable

Harsh_ahir said:
It was eren's fault for knowingly playing into willy's hand if he hadn't then the world wouldn't be after them

Mack_Yeager said:
and thats the reason why the full rumbling is the best option

Harsh_ahir said:
It was eren's fault for knowingly playing into willy's hand if he hadn't then the world wouldn't be after them

Jaeger1617 said:

bitch he was doing a DECLARATION OF W A R anyway

Jaeger1617 said:

bitch he was doing a DECLARATION OF W A R anyway

Za_Panda said:


...... good lord
Dude didn't understand shit and went on to type paragraphs.

Its not that the mini rumbling cannot destroy the alliance. The point is if they do a mini rumbling the world would grow even more fearful of the titans and would try to eliminate them all as soon as possible.

Lets assume after some time paradis becomes on par with the nations. Then what ? Its just a tiny island at the end of the day. Even with 5-6 countries supporting them they cannot go against the whole world. Don't you remember WW2 ?

If eren went with the mini rumbling plan then sooner or later the world would create anti titan techs used to specifically destroy the colossal titans aka the nuke. So better to rumble them now instead of making the rumbling useless in the future.

I am not saying genocide is justified but without it paradis would turn into a sea of blood. This situation has 2 answers and both are wrong & right at the same time. Blame hacksyama for narrowing down the possible choices to only 2.