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Demon Slayer is not hard fantasy so just let it be?
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Feb 23, 2022 11:04 AM
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| Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm |
Feb 23, 2022 11:22 AM
#2
| That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy |
Feb 23, 2022 11:23 AM
#3
Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy |
Feb 23, 2022 11:24 AM
#4
| Whatever. The things is, Demon Slayer is probably the best adaptation we had in recent years. |
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration.  |
Feb 23, 2022 11:26 AM
#5
SeekerOfTachyons said: Just because something isn't hard fantasy doesn't mean that world building and consistency aren't important. Those things still matter. but ass pulls are forgivable in soft fantasy or regular fantasy Piromysl said: Whatever. The things is, Demon Slayer is probably the best adaptation we had in recent years. agreed |
Feb 23, 2022 11:28 AM
#6
Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy Are you one of those, who nitpicks and labels as "plot holes" foreshadowed plot points that are yet to be revealed in the future seasons? |
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration. |
Feb 23, 2022 11:29 AM
#7
SeekerOfTachyons said: Just because something isn't hard fantasy doesn't mean that world building and consistency aren't important. Those things still matter. Hard fantasy just means that the world has a greater emphasis placed on it in terms of worldbuilding and development. Very few anime worlds are as fleshed out as Westeros or Middle-Earth, but that's not a bad thing. The worlds of shows like Naruto, HxH, etc are comparatively less developed, but they work in favour of the series, helping to flesh out and expand the plot. Meanwhile, Demon Slayer is like a linear game, jumping from level to level. Compare that to One Piece which has a greater feel of a larger world and you'll get what I mean. That's not to say Demon Slayer is bad, far from it. Soft fantasy and hard fantasy are equally good in their own right, there's not a clear winner. Demon Slayer is like the Harry Potter of modern Shonen, it's generic and will probably not appeal to people who want a detailed story or comprehensive character development, but it will appeal to people who just want to turn their brain off and appreciate some generic Shonen trash with awesome visuals. man just woke up and chose to speak facts |
Feb 23, 2022 11:29 AM
#8
deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm Man, I even understand looking for at least a remnant of logic in anime, but what perplexes me is to turn this into a criticism or "argument" to say that anime is bad. Dude is a fantasy, from the beginning there is no logic, just let it be what it is FANTASY. And thanks man now I have a more plausible argument with this "Hard fantasy". |
Feb 23, 2022 11:33 AM
#9
SeekerOfTachyons said: deg said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Just because something isn't hard fantasy doesn't mean that world building and consistency aren't important. Those things still matter. but ass pulls are forgivable in soft fantasy or regular fantasy Piromysl said: Whatever. The things is, Demon Slayer is probably the best adaptation we had in recent years. agreed >but ass pulls are forgivable in soft or regular fantasy Not necessarily. The only thing that makes an ass pull an ass pull is a lack of foreshadowing and good writing. They aren't mutually exclusive. But the essential concept is somewhat correct, it's easier to make an ass pull consistent with a soft magic system. That doesn't mean it's forgivable, it just means you don't have to scramble for an explanation and can just roll with "Yeah, this guy has Super Powerful Mode now because of the power of friendship" as opposed to shoehorning that into Full Metal Alchemist or something. im not saying ass pulls are necessary on soft fantasy but its forgivable |
Feb 23, 2022 11:33 AM
#10
Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy Are you one of those, who nitpicks and labels as "plot holes" foreshadowed plot points that are yet to be revealed in the future seasons? No, I’m not nitpicking and I’m not on of those people, I just go of the information I was given + logic to come to a conclusion |
Feb 23, 2022 11:37 AM
#11
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy Are you one of those, who nitpicks and labels as "plot holes" foreshadowed plot points that are yet to be revealed in the future seasons? No, I’m not nitpicking and I’m not on of those people, I just go of the information I was given + logic deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. |
Feb 23, 2022 11:39 AM
#12
Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? |
Feb 23, 2022 11:39 AM
#13
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy Are you one of those, who nitpicks and labels as "plot holes" foreshadowed plot points that are yet to be revealed in the future seasons? No, I’m not nitpicking and I’m not on of those people, I just go of the information I was given + logic deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. Well, just paying close attention to what happens on screen allows to understand everything. Just like Chekov's gun, everything here happens for a reason. Maybe with exception of comedy. I honestly have no idea what you are you even taking about. Once again, something that is yet to be covered is NOT a plot hole. |
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration. |
Feb 23, 2022 11:42 AM
#14
Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy Are you one of those, who nitpicks and labels as "plot holes" foreshadowed plot points that are yet to be revealed in the future seasons? No, I’m not nitpicking and I’m not on of those people, I just go of the information I was given + logic deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. Well, just paying close attention to what happens on screen allows to understand everything. Just like Chekov's gun, everything here happens for a reason. Maybe with exception of comedy. I honestly have no idea what you are you even taking about. Once again, something that is yet to be covered is NOT a plot hole. Maybe I misworded it, but tanjiro getting a power up for no reason isn’t a plot hole, it’s a contrivance. Maybe in later seasons the contrivance won’t be a contrivance anymore but going off what I have now, it is |
Feb 23, 2022 11:44 AM
#15
Onii-Chan74993 said: Maybe I misworded it, but tanjiro getting a power up for no reason isn’t a plot hole, it’s a contrivance. Maybe in later seasons the contrivance won’t be a contrivance anymore but going off what I have now, it is the backstory of Tanjiros power up is slowly being shown and more episodes in the future will explain more |
Feb 23, 2022 11:45 AM
#16
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic |
Feb 23, 2022 11:46 AM
#17
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: Maybe I misworded it, but tanjiro getting a power up for no reason isn’t a plot hole, it’s a contrivance. Maybe in later seasons the contrivance won’t be a contrivance anymore but going off what I have now, it is the backstory of Tanjiros power up is slowly being shown and more episodes in the future will explain more I don’t really care, I’m going off of what I have now |
Feb 23, 2022 11:47 AM
#18
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic ass pulls are illogical heck ass pulls in Demon Slayer are explained although briefly like with that Inosuke shifting his organs location at will is a good enough explanation to how he survives Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: Maybe I misworded it, but tanjiro getting a power up for no reason isn’t a plot hole, it’s a contrivance. Maybe in later seasons the contrivance won’t be a contrivance anymore but going off what I have now, it is the backstory of Tanjiros power up is slowly being shown and more episodes in the future will explain more I don’t really care, I’m going off of what I have now then if its not explained before hand its already an ass pull to you? youre being too conservative or traditional with storytelling |
Feb 23, 2022 11:47 AM
#19
Onii-Chan74993 said: Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy Piromysl said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy Are you one of those, who nitpicks and labels as "plot holes" foreshadowed plot points that are yet to be revealed in the future seasons? No, I’m not nitpicking and I’m not on of those people, I just go of the information I was given + logic deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy not really ass pulls are an old trope so historically it works since most people use suspension of disbelief for the illogical things a fiction makes so not being a hard fantasy is a good excuse if you want strict and consistent logic then you want hard fantasy I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. Well, just paying close attention to what happens on screen allows to understand everything. Just like Chekov's gun, everything here happens for a reason. Maybe with exception of comedy. I honestly have no idea what you are you even taking about. Once again, something that is yet to be covered is NOT a plot hole. Maybe I misworded it, but tanjiro getting a power up for no reason isn’t a plot hole, it’s a contrivance. Maybe in later seasons the contrivance won’t be a contrivance anymore but going off what I have now, it is That argument is an equivalent of "Female Titan being the antagonist of first season of Attack on Titan is poor writing because we are yet to have her motivations explained". Now, imagine people unironically making such argument for your years between two seasons and try to take them seriously. It's honestly weak. But in Demon Slayer it is so simple to deduce, that even as an anime only you could figure most of it out. |
Hibiki Tachibana from Symphogear is THE worst protagonist in all anime. No hyperbole or exaggeration. |
Feb 23, 2022 11:49 AM
#20
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic ass pulls are illogical heck ass pulls in Demon Slayer are explained although briefly like with that Inosuke shifting his organs location at will is a good enough explanation to how he survives What I meant was ones that at least try to explain it without fucking shit up, but inosukes explanation wasn’t nearly enough for me |
Feb 23, 2022 11:50 AM
#21
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic ass pulls are illogical heck ass pulls in Demon Slayer are explained although briefly like with that Inosuke shifting his organs location at will is a good enough explanation to how he survives What I meant was ones that at least try to explain it without fucking shit up, but inosukes explanation wasn’t nearly enough for me again you want hard fantasy and linear storytelling like you want things foreshadowed and explained more before it happens |
Feb 23, 2022 11:50 AM
#22
SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it |
Feb 23, 2022 11:52 AM
#23
Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want |
Feb 23, 2022 11:54 AM
#24
SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it I guess we just disagree on this matter, and that's fine. You can have your opinion and I can have mine. At the end of the day, what is and isn't an ass pull is entirely subjective. I don’t think that last statement is true, but if you want to end the discussion, fine. Have a good day! |
Feb 23, 2022 11:57 AM
#25
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic |
Feb 23, 2022 12:00 PM
#26
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga |
Feb 23, 2022 12:05 PM
#27
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled |
Feb 23, 2022 12:05 PM
#28
| Sooooo, from the comments, the biggest problem is that Inosuke can change his internal organs. I have a theory, in the anime itself it says that it can disjoint your bones (which in theory is possible if you can bear the extreme pain it causes), and from my knowledge of the human body (which is almost nothing lol) the organs are supported by the bones sooo he disjointed a bone (specifically the one that supports the heart) in order to survive. Well man no one in the anime would explain this, so it's up to us to try to find a logic just use your brain (although if you want logic, you should use it from the beginning, and not wait for the anime to tell you). |
Feb 23, 2022 12:07 PM
#29
SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled it means that the anime adaptation can explain it more too if its adapted from a light novel Wilamys said: Sooooo, from the comments, the biggest problem is that Inosuke can change his internal organs. I have a theory, in the anime itself it says that it can disjoint your bones (which in theory is possible if you can bear the extreme pain it causes), and from my knowledge of the human body (which is almost nothing lol) the organs are supported by the bones sooo he disjointed a bone (specifically the one that supports the heart) in order to survive. Well man no one in the anime would explain this, so it's up to us to try to find a logic just use your brain (although if you want logic, you should use it from the beginning, and not wait for the anime to tell you). well you should not consider real world logic with the demon slayer world logic imo, the world of Demon Slayer is very different than ours in other words |
Feb 23, 2022 12:07 PM
#30
Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao that’s literally a shounen though ahahaha why don’t you just live in your reality then and stop hating on fictional worldsThat doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy |
Feb 23, 2022 12:09 PM
#31
deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled it means that the anime adaptation can explain it more too if its adapted from a light novel But why bring up light novels at all? I was talking about the anime adaptation and never brought up any sort of light novel or manga |
Feb 23, 2022 12:09 PM
#32
deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled it means that the anime adaptation can explain it more too if its adapted from a light novel But why bring up light novels at all? I was talking about the anime adaptation and never brought up any sort of light novel or manga |
Feb 23, 2022 12:10 PM
#33
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled it means that the anime adaptation can explain it more too if its adapted from a light novel But why bring up light novels at all? I was talking about the anime adaptation and never brought up any sort of light novel or manga i already explained it to you that the gist of the explanations or expositions can be much better with light novels due to their wordy nature if you still do not get that then i do not know how to word that better SenbeiPan said: deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? read my reviewㅤㅤ post some of it here like the most significant ones |
Feb 23, 2022 12:11 PM
#34
Haydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao that’s literally a shounen though ahahaha why don’t you just live in your reality then and stop hating on fictional worldsThat doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy I’m not hating at all and if you say I’m hating because of what I said, I’m sorry but your an idiot. Bro why does everyone dismiss genuine critican by calling people haters or go “live in your own reality” like tf, that’s not even an argument |
Feb 23, 2022 12:15 PM
#35
| I don’t know or care. I just like reading/watching. |
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Feb 23, 2022 12:16 PM
#36
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled it means that the anime adaptation can explain it more too if its adapted from a light novel But why bring up light novels at all? I was talking about the anime adaptation and never brought up any sort of light novel or manga i already explained it to you that the gist of the explanations or expositions can be much better with light novels due to their wordy nature if you still do not get that then i do not know how to word that better SenbeiPan said: deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? read my reviewㅤㅤ post some of it here like the most significant ones So he’s saying that re zeros writing might be enhanced due to more words? That’s kind of dumb because quantity doesn’t equal quality. But let’s move on to another isekai that wasn’t adapted from a light novel to prove my point even further, MT |
Feb 23, 2022 12:17 PM
#37
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: SeekerOfTachyons said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: I just want the story to be consistent with its own world. Excusing poor writing because it’s not a hard fantasy isn’t an excuse at all, it’s just a blatant lie. i highlighted the phrase in the first post that defines Hard Fantasy for people like you though and you hate ass pulls in any anime? I hate asspulls that are so dumb it takes the emerrsion out of me. Obviously any asspull isn’t great in a story, but I can deal with ones to at at least try to explain it with some sort of logic Your first mistake was expecting something like that from Demon Slayer. It's not that kind of show and it's not trying to be. Just because something doesn't have a plot like Berserk and the world building of One Piece doesn't mean that it's a bad series. Demon Slayer is an awesome soft fantasy Shonen that basically anybody can enjoy. It is *not* the best written series, but it doesn't need to be. I enjoyed the series a lot, but that doesn’t mean its a well-written or logical series at all. I don’t need the show to be written like monster or serial experiment lain, but it needs to have some consistency to it >logical >consistency you keep mentioning that while you say soft fantasy should have those too heck there is no such thing as soft fantasy just regular fantasy and hard fantasy like you want I don’t expect soft fantasy to have those nearly as much as hard fantasy, but I do expect that soft fantasy has some amount of consistency. Take for instance, RE:Zero, where there is magic and the world is exponentially different from ours, but the writing in this fantasy is fantastic i cannot comment on ReZero at all but obviously Light Novels have more words or expositions than a Manga What? Why did you bring up manga and light novels when you can look at my list and see I haven’t read much light novels or manga? I’m confuzled it means that the anime adaptation can explain it more too if its adapted from a light novel But why bring up light novels at all? I was talking about the anime adaptation and never brought up any sort of light novel or manga i already explained it to you that the gist of the explanations or expositions can be much better with light novels due to their wordy nature if you still do not get that then i do not know how to word that better SenbeiPan said: deg said: SenbeiPan said: deg said: Hard fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy literature that strives to present stories set in (and often centered on) a rational and knowable world. Hard fantasy is similar to hard science fiction, from which it draws its name, in that they all aim to build their respective worlds in a rigorous and logical manner.[1][2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy heck most battle shonen is not hard fantasy exceptions exist like Hunter x Hunter, Jujutsu Kaisen and even Attack on Titan but that is not the norm There is a difference between Suspension of Disbelief and Stupid Asspulls what are this stupid ass pulls on Demon Slayer? read my reviewㅤㅤ post some of it here like the most significant ones So he’s saying that re zeros writing might be enhanced due to more words? That’s kind of dumb because quantity doesn’t equal quality. But let’s move on to another isekai that wasn’t adapted from a light novel to prove my point even further, MT more words means more elaboration other than shifting organs location at will explanation Mushoku Tensei is a light novel adaptation too |
Feb 23, 2022 12:18 PM
#38
Onii-Chan74993 said: it’s shounen though lmao it’s literal demographic is based for teens and younger standard shounen has never been plot heavy or heavily realistic seinen is way more realistic even in a fantasy setting so go watch thatHaydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: That doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy I’m not hating at all and if you say I’m hating because of what I said, I’m sorry but your an idiot. Bro why does everyone dismiss genuine critican by calling people haters or go “live in your own reality” like tf, that’s not even an argument |
Feb 23, 2022 12:22 PM
#39
| More words does mean more explanation of things, but that doesn’t mean the explanation is thourough at all. Also mt, why have you fallen to the dark side |
Feb 23, 2022 12:22 PM
#40
| I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. |
Feb 23, 2022 12:23 PM
#41
Haydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: it’s shounen though lmao it’s literal demographic is based for teens and younger standard shounen has never been plot heavy or heavily realistic seinen is way more realistic even in a fantasy setting so go watch thatHaydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao that’s literally a shounen though ahahaha why don’t you just live in your reality then and stop hating on fictional worldsThat doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy I’m not hating at all and if you say I’m hating because of what I said, I’m sorry but your an idiot. Bro why does everyone dismiss genuine critican by calling people haters or go “live in your own reality” like tf, that’s not even an argument So your saying that this show doesn’t need good writing because it is based for young teens. That’s the equivalent of saying that young teens are dumb and don’t need good writing or plot or characters at all |
Feb 23, 2022 12:24 PM
#42
Kot_Schlyopa said: I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. demon slayer world logic is different than our real world logic though as far as battle shonen manga is concerned AOT, HxH are hard fantasy imo novels by their exposition intensive nature can be more hard fantasy for sure |
Feb 23, 2022 12:25 PM
#43
| Idk, Demon Slayer goes well beyond just having things that don’t make sense. It shoves the plot holes in your face and tells you to eat it up as if there’s nothing wrong with it. I still like it a lot though. |
Feb 23, 2022 12:27 PM
#44
deg said: Kot_Schlyopa said: I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. demon slayer world logic is different than our real world logic though as far as battle shonen manga is concerned AOT, HxH are hard fantasy imo novels by their exposition intensive nature can be more hard fantasy for sure How exactly is DS logic different that ours, and I’m not talking about demons being in DS, I’m talking about some kind of thing that can excuse what inosuke did |
Feb 23, 2022 12:27 PM
#45
ghier said: Idk, Demon Slayer goes well beyond just having things that don’t make sense. It shoves the plot holes in your face and tells you to eat it up as if there’s nothing wrong with it. I still like it a lot though. can you give examples of this plot holes? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Kot_Schlyopa said: I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. demon slayer world logic is different than our real world logic though as far as battle shonen manga is concerned AOT, HxH are hard fantasy imo novels by their exposition intensive nature can be more hard fantasy for sure How exactly is DS logic different that ours, and I’m not talking about demons being in DS, I’m talking about some kind of thing that can excuse what inosuke did its a fantasy world where just Deep Breathing can even make you powerful so its a different world |
Feb 23, 2022 12:27 PM
#46
Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao no dude it’s cause teenage and child boys don’t care as much what your saying is literally what people would say to make fun of anime when I was growing up it’s just how this genre is and how it always has been so calm down damnHaydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: Haydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao that’s literally a shounen though ahahaha why don’t you just live in your reality then and stop hating on fictional worldsThat doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy I’m not hating at all and if you say I’m hating because of what I said, I’m sorry but your an idiot. Bro why does everyone dismiss genuine critican by calling people haters or go “live in your own reality” like tf, that’s not even an argument So your saying that this show doesn’t need good writing because it is based for young teens. That’s the equivalent of saying that young teens are dumb and don’t need good writing or plot or characters at all |
Feb 23, 2022 12:34 PM
#47
deg said: ghier said: Idk, Demon Slayer goes well beyond just having things that don’t make sense. It shoves the plot holes in your face and tells you to eat it up as if there’s nothing wrong with it. I still like it a lot though. can you give examples of this plot holes? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Kot_Schlyopa said: I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. demon slayer world logic is different than our real world logic though as far as battle shonen manga is concerned AOT, HxH are hard fantasy imo novels by their exposition intensive nature can be more hard fantasy for sure How exactly is DS logic different that ours, and I’m not talking about demons being in DS, I’m talking about some kind of thing that can excuse what inosuke did its a fantasy world where just Deep Breathing can even make you powerful so its a different world What you described was the power system, which does not pertain to the whole inosuke thing at all. What kind of logic that DS has and the real world doesn’t have that can make a human move his heart at will in less than a second while fighting and getting surprise attacked? |
Feb 23, 2022 12:35 PM
#48
Haydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao no dude it’s cause teenage and child boys don’t care as much what your saying is literally what people would say to make fun of anime when I was growing up it’s just how this genre is and how it always has been so calm down damnHaydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: it’s shounen though lmao it’s literal demographic is based for teens and younger standard shounen has never been plot heavy or heavily realistic seinen is way more realistic even in a fantasy setting so go watch thatHaydorwaldor said: Onii-Chan74993 said: lmao that’s literally a shounen though ahahaha why don’t you just live in your reality then and stop hating on fictional worldsThat doesn’t excuse any of the illogical asspulls this series makes. Every good story has to be coherent within their own universe. If you have people getting random power up’s because they can or having a human be able to move his heart, that isn’t good writing and nobody can excuse those plot holes and contrivances by saying it’s a shounen or it’s not hard fantasy I’m not hating at all and if you say I’m hating because of what I said, I’m sorry but your an idiot. Bro why does everyone dismiss genuine critican by calling people haters or go “live in your own reality” like tf, that’s not even an argument So your saying that this show doesn’t need good writing because it is based for young teens. That’s the equivalent of saying that young teens are dumb and don’t need good writing or plot or characters at all I agree that they don’t care as much, but the shows should at least have some consistency to them and not just be a fighting anime with no substance |
Feb 23, 2022 12:37 PM
#49
Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: ghier said: Idk, Demon Slayer goes well beyond just having things that don’t make sense. It shoves the plot holes in your face and tells you to eat it up as if there’s nothing wrong with it. I still like it a lot though. can you give examples of this plot holes? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Kot_Schlyopa said: I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. demon slayer world logic is different than our real world logic though as far as battle shonen manga is concerned AOT, HxH are hard fantasy imo novels by their exposition intensive nature can be more hard fantasy for sure How exactly is DS logic different that ours, and I’m not talking about demons being in DS, I’m talking about some kind of thing that can excuse what inosuke did its a fantasy world where just Deep Breathing can even make you powerful so its a different world What you described was the power system, which does not pertain to the whole inosuke thing at all. What kind of logic that DS has and the real world doesn’t have that can make a human move his heart at will in less than a second while fighting and getting surprise attacked? its said there in DS he lived in the mountains thats it thats how different it is to the our real world, heck Tengen can stop or control his heart at will too so again its a different world than ours |
Feb 23, 2022 12:39 PM
#50
deg said: Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: ghier said: Idk, Demon Slayer goes well beyond just having things that don’t make sense. It shoves the plot holes in your face and tells you to eat it up as if there’s nothing wrong with it. I still like it a lot though. can you give examples of this plot holes? Onii-Chan74993 said: deg said: Kot_Schlyopa said: I get what you are saying. However things like inosuke immune to posion because he lives in a mountain and his ability to shift internal organ is too much plot armour. Also aot, hxh are not that much of hard fantasy imo. An example of a really logical hard fantasy is mother of learning webnovel. demon slayer world logic is different than our real world logic though as far as battle shonen manga is concerned AOT, HxH are hard fantasy imo novels by their exposition intensive nature can be more hard fantasy for sure How exactly is DS logic different that ours, and I’m not talking about demons being in DS, I’m talking about some kind of thing that can excuse what inosuke did its a fantasy world where just Deep Breathing can even make you powerful so its a different world What you described was the power system, which does not pertain to the whole inosuke thing at all. What kind of logic that DS has and the real world doesn’t have that can make a human move his heart at will in less than a second while fighting and getting surprise attacked? its said there in DS he lived in the mountains thats it thats how different it is to the our real world, heck Tengen can stop or control his heart at will too so again its a different world than ours Yea that tengen shit is bullshit as well, but saying just because he lived in the mountains doesn’t mean that he has the ability to move his heart at will, which let me remind you, is completely engaged by the rib cage. How the hell would he have learned that ability while living in the mountains? |
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