Attack on Titan
Are you convinced Eren is an antagonist?
| The same goes for Reiner... Most people that replied to this thread are confusing protagonist with main character so I'll leave this here first. If you are confusing protagonist with main character: Protagonist= one of the main characters. Definition of protagonist: The leading character OR one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. While most will read the same definition and understand: The leading character AND one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. A show must have a protagonist but there are very few shows without a main character but protagonists (a.k.a main characters). I mentioned one example below. Armin is one of the main characters of Attack on titan. Armin is NOT the main character of Attack on titan. Eren Jaeger is nominated in both best protagonist and antagonist of the year for Crunchyroll awards 2022 and I'm amazed there are a tons of people who disagree he's an antagonist. I've had this argument in the past, I'm already well equipped. Some of the most common counters: 1. "Eren is a villain not an antagonist" 2. "A protagonist can not be an antagonist" 3. "He had good intentions" etc. All these are false or partially true. I'll try and explain in two different ways (short and long). The odds are on my favor since Crunchyroll themselves placed him on both, please read this carefully. Short: 1. Eren became a villain in s4 and also an antagonist to the other main characters (both Eldian and Marley) while still retaining his role as the leading character of the story (the protagonist). 2. A protagonist can be an antagonist. 3. Having good intention lists him in the category of anti-villains (such as Thanos in infinity wars and endgame or Madara from Naruto) they are considered villains. Deep down they are not truly evil. Action is what determines a villain. Long: The term "Protagonist" doesn't necessarily refer to the main character. Aot s1 has Eren, Mikasa and Armin as the main characters (the protagonists) while Eren is the leading character of the story (the main character). The definition says an antagonist opposes the protagonist which, as explained earlier, is not necessarily the MC as a show can also not have a MC but multiple protagonists (like in Game of thrones where different kingdoms are fighting for a single throne and in each Kindgom you'll find numerous protagonists. GOT has over 50 main characters). Zeke is an example of an antagonist that's working together with the MC. He's an antagonist because he opposes to our other main characters. Reiner on the other hand was (in order) 1. A side character 2. A supporting villain 3. A villain and antagonist 4. An anti-villain, a protagonist and antagonist Protagonist≠ a hero Antagonist≠ Villain Eren is still one of the protagonists while playing the villain card in season 4. Eren's actions in season 4 defines him as a villain not as an anti-hero. [Villain✓] An anti-hero is a hero like Batman that does his heroic duties in a non conventional fashion. Eren is also an anti-hero but don't confuse anti-hero Eren with villainous Eren [Anti-hero✓] Unlike anti-hero, anti-villain is a redeemable villain with good intentions. Eren is also an anti-villain [anti-villain✓] Eren has become the threat he swore to bring down when he was young + he is opposing to everyone of our other main characters both the Eldians and Marleys. Eren is an antagonist. [Antagonist✓] Eren is still one of the main characters= he is also a protagonist. [Protagonist✓] The main character to be exact [Main character✓] He is a hero, not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed [Hero✓] https://twitter.com/AoTJewels/status/1483562230163591173?t=3-a7S5FFQ3fY1nUzVfz5TA&s=19 Thanks for your time, hope this was of help. |
SpeedSta123Jan 20, 2022 11:53 AM
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| Tldr: In Final Series we are witnessing the story from the point or view of both sides or conflict, so it's all of the matter of perspective. Since Gabi's and Reiner's importance and story being shown from their point of view makes them de fscto protagonists, that would make Eren an antagonist, while Eren is still a protagonist by default, since entire story revolves around him and is still majority of the story is being told from his POV. There is also an argument to be made, that there is no protagonists or antagonists anymore. |
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PochitaPochita said: The same goes for Reiner... Eren Jaeger is nominated in both best protagonist and antagonist of the year for Crunchyroll awards 2022 and I'm amazed there are a tons of people who disagree he's an antagonist. I've had this argument in the past, I'm already well equipped. Some of the most common counters: 1. "Eren is a villain not an antagonist" 2. "A protagonist can not be an antagonist" 3. "He had good intentions" etc. All these are false or partially true. I'll try and explain in two different ways (short and long). The odds are on my favor since Crunchyroll themselves placed him on both, please read this carefully. Short: 1. Eren became a villain in s4 and also an antagonist to the other main characters (both Eldian and Marley) while still retaining his role as the leading character of the story (the protagonist). 2. A protagonist can be an antagonist. 3. Having good intention lists him in the category of anti-villains (such as Thanos in infinity wars and endgame or Madara from Naruto) they are considered villains. Deep down they are not truly evil. Action is what determines a villain. Long: The term "Protagonist" doesn't necessarily refer to the main character. A protagonist can be an antagonist in several ways like in aot where what is good or bad, what is right or wrong, who is the good guy, who is the bad guy is undefined. Aot s1 has Eren, Mikasa and Armin as the main characters (the protagonists) while Eren is the leading character of the story (the main character). The definition says an antagonist opposes the protagonist which, as explained earlier, is not necessarily the MC as a show can also not have a MC but multiple protagonists (like in Game of thrones where different kingdoms are fighting for a single throne and in each Kindgom you'll find numerous protagonists. GOT has over 50 main characters). Zeke is an example of an antagonist that's working together with the MC. He's an antagonist because he opposes to our other main characters. Reiner on the other hand was (in order) 1. A side character 2. A supporting villain 3. A villain and antagonist 4. An anti-villain, a protagonist and antagonist Protagonist≠ a hero Antagonist≠ Villain Eren is still one of the protagonists while playing the villain card in season 4. Eren's actions in season 4 defines him as a villain not as an anti-hero. [Villain✓] An anti-hero is a hero like Batman that does his heroic duties in a non conventional fashion. Eren is also an anti-hero but don't confuse anti-hero Eren with villainous Eren [Anti-hero✓] Unlike anti-hero, anti-villain is a redeemable villain with good intentions. Eren is also an anti-villain [anti-villain✓] Eren has become the threat he swore to bring down when he was young + he is opposing to everyone of our other main characters both the Eldians and Marleys. Eren is an antagonist. [Antagonist✓] Eren is still one of the main characters= he is also a protagonist. [Protagonist✓] The main character to be exact [Main character✓] He is a hero, not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed [Hero✓] https://twitter.com/AoTJewels/status/1483562230163591173?t=3-a7S5FFQ3fY1nUzVfz5TA&s=19 Thanks for your time, hope this was of help. Terrible argument. You correctly point out that protagonist and antagonist don't refer to hero and villain, but then you directly go against this by arguing that by Eren being interpretable as both a hero and villain, he must be both protagonist and antagonist. This is a contradictory non-sequitur. If Eren is a villain as well as the protagonist, as you said near-verbatim, that, by your own word doesn't make him an antagonist. The terms protagonist and antagonist refer exclusively to the main focal entity of a story whose goals and instigating events directly relate to the plot, and the main opposing entity preventing them from doing so respectively. These cannot be simultaneous, except in an abstract sense, which would come more under an internal struggle than a state of being both at once. Though he now opposes the series' deuteragonists, that's a shift in the story's dynamic rather than him becoming both at once. Until such a point as the series ceases to frame his as the protagonist, he cannot become the opposite. Also, though it's less relevant, "the odds are on my favor since Crunchyroll themselves placed him on both" is a fallacious statement, CR aren't any kind of authority on the subject. |
| Well I for one already loved Lain. |
| That nomination was a joke. Seriously, Crunchyroll don't even have a basic understanding of what Protagonist and Antagonist really means. I actually laughed out loud when I saw that nomination. Looks like the meme became a reality. TheLoneStar said: Protagonist- the the central character on whom the story is focused. Antagonist- whose character is against the protagonist's or better say the opposing side. Hero- a good guy, antagonist can also be a hero, L was a heroic antagonist. Villain- a bad guy, protagonist can also be a villain, Light was a villanous protagonist. It's as simple as that. I really don't understand how people can get confused between the two. |
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JoyBoySSJ said: You are confusing protagonist with main character. Protagonist= one of the main characters.TheLoneStar said: Yes it's as simple as that but people keep confusing a Protagonist from Hero and an Antagonist from VillainProtagonist- the the central character on whom the story is focused. Antagonist- whose character is against the protagonist's or better say the opposing side. Hero- a good guy, antagonist can also be a hero, L was a heroic antagonist. Villain- a bad guy, protagonist can also be a villain, Light was a villanous protagonist. Definition of protagonist: The leading character OR one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. While you think protagonist means: The leading character AND one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. A show must have a protagonist but there are few shows without a main character but protagonists (aka main characters). Armin is one of the main characters of aot. Armin is NOT the main character of aot |
SpeedSta123Jan 20, 2022 6:59 AM
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JoyBoySSJ said: Thanks for understanding. Finally (●´⌓`●)PochitaPochita said: Yes i get what are you sayingYou are confusing protagonist with main character. Protagonist= one of the main characters. Definition of protagonist: The leading character OR one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. While you think protagonist means: The leading character AND one of the major characters in a play, film, novel, etc. A show must have a protagonist but there are few shows without a main character but protagonists (aka main characters). Armin is one of the main characters of aot. Armin is NOT the main character of aot |
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JoyBoySSJ said: I'm horrible at explaining things. I'm glad someone understood what I was trying to sayPochitaPochita said: Why were you telling me this anyway?Thanks for understanding. Finally (●´⌓`●) |
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| Protagonist is the centre of the story from whoms view point story is told and antagonist is someone who oppose the protagonist in some way So eren can't be a protagonist and antagonist at the same time |
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| Eren is not the antagonist of the series. You can consider him the antagonist of Season 4 part 1 since it's a stand alone entry and that's what is nominated but therefore he isn't a protagonist as well. Crunchyroll and anyone who is claiming he is an antagonist for any other reason is stupid |
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aka_panda said: Main focus isn't only on Eren. That's your mistake, everything else is pretty much accurate.Protagonist is the centre of the story. It doesnt mean the good guy. Antagonist is the opposing faction. It doesnt mean the bad guy. There can be more than 1 protag & antag. An antag can be a protag or vice versa if the focus of story is shifted. But in Aot's case the main focus was only on eren. So he is a Protagonist For fuck's sake learn the meaning of words, before writing an essay which none (including myself) are gonna read It has a war setting and to show you how brutal and pointless a war is, it has to focus on other characters which it did. |
SpeedSta123Jan 20, 2022 10:07 PM
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