Do you think mushoku tensei can become a mainstream Anime

otto-rimuru said:
would argue that the japanase guy living in rudy's body should at least acts according to our world ethics and sensibilities as much as he can considering that he now lives in a primative/medival world.

i liked that he withheld from taking advatange from eris, and only accepted her till she made the move herself. narratively it works even if it's highly problematic when viewed from our world lenses considering that they are both minors physically speaking.

ghier said:

Rudy’s POV huh? Tell me, how exactly did you feel watching that scene? Be honest and reflect on the experience first, then try to put it in words. Maybe watch it again if you need to.

Here is my experience: To me, it didn’t at all feel like the show was presenting Rudy at his lowest or even with an independent viewpoint; it felt like it was trying to get me to laugh as if it were a more lighthearted moment. Watching the scene leads me into that feeling of lightheartedness, which then turns into a very uncomfortable feeling b/c I consciously realize this scene shouldn’t be lighthearted. What would the effect be on me if I didn’t have that conscious realization? What would the implication be if I pushed aside that conscious realization? And does the show not push me to put that realization aside by making these scenes “lighthearted”?

I mean I accept he was reborn with like 30 years life experience. That’s the fact. That in of itself is not a problem. The problem is he’s trying to get with children (sometimes without consent) without a thought of how wrong it may be, and the show is almost taking Rudy’s side on this (from my perspective) with these “lighthearted” moments … as if he’s just an honest pervert.

It’s only natural I find all of this distasteful being that I acknowledge and agree with laws that prohibit such relations b/w adults and children. To discredit your point about him being reborn, to me, those laws are not just in place b/c an adult’s body is far more mature than a child’s.

To test if you might actually agree with this, here is a thought experiment for you. If you no longer aged after turning say … 16, 17 … would it be perfectly okay for you to date 15 year-olds, maybe even a bit younger, for the rest of your eternal life?
If no, why is this any different ethically from Rudy’s situation? Why does being reborn just wipe away all of his life experience?
If yes, … well, I don’t really have anything more to say. We just have different moral guidelines. I’d like to try and convince you to think differently, but that would be challenging to do in a forum.

ghier said:

Do you even have a willingness to believe you may be wrong?

dabdabgoose said:


Wrong about what? It's a fantasy sceniaro and you just self inserted your morality to the situation, morality by definition is subjective.

otto-rimuru said:


so if i get this right, you are proposing that he should abandon our world ethics in favor of that medival world's ones?

Ceoneichi said:


Yeah,he is now part of that world and it will be good if he adapts to that world norms

droppa121 said:
To be honest, I really don't understand why people get so offended by Mushoku Tensei. Sex is a subject of the world, it happens, it exists. It's not romanticized. MT is not made for a teenager audience, it doesn't have the shounen shenanigans. Moreover, Rudeus sexuality is never portrayed as something cool or nice, quite the opposite. It's F'd up, and is there to show how broken the MC used to be in his previous life.

Lastly, I don't even get why people consider this anime ecchi. As I said, it has sex as a reality of the world, but it's never displayed as an erotic device for the audience. It's just sex. People have sex. That's it.

otto-rimuru said:


then that would mean he is no longer associated with the RL world and is effectively an isekai defector

that is a controversial stance, so obviously people are gonna shit on anyone who does something like that





MT has a load of sensitive/controversial themes and subjects in it. it's the perfect recipe to trigger/offend the easily triggered/offended. i'm more baffled what's not easy to understand about that

also, your sex point is under contextualized. by sex, i'm presuming that you are drawing parallels with shows like game of thrones and how it tries to tackle the nasty side of it. this is not game of thrones however, it's just usually for fanservice so far except for moments when it's narratively enriching and interwined like the recent episode with rudy and eris.

ngl, it's kinda hilarious when you phrase it as if this is some high deep anime about sexual stuff or something.

wasn't the echii tag changed to erotic or something? either way, MT is on the same umbrella as redo of healer.

droppa121 said:


I really disagree with everything.

Redo of a Healer is basically anime made for incels. Sex is power and submission, absolutely disgusting. I tried watching, dropped very quickly. Terrible in every sense.


And I'm not really thinking about Game of Thrones. I'm talking about real life too. Unless you live in a bubble, isn't sex a matter of importance in your life? Not only your sexuality, but the one from everybody around you?

MT is a novel. It is not a visual media. I read way too much books in my life and many of them described sexual behaviour, even intercourse from the characters.

I personally believe you're overthinking and reacting. People are way more critical than you think. And trust me, I'm by no means a sicko lmao, quite the opposite, I'm really critical to all the horny side of anime. What I'm telling is the sexual moments in MT are there with a context, not for fan service. Shows like Mieruko-Chan, for example, are what I'd call fan service ecchi.

droppa121 said:
LET ME SAY IT, THOUGH:

GAME OF THRONES (AND MANY OTHER HBO SERIES) ARE FULL OF FAN SERVICE SEX/NUDE SCENES.


Really, most of it could be removed (or portrayed differently) without losing its relevance for the context of the scene.

I mean, have you ever watched Westworld? It has a lot of meaningless nude scenes, even full frontal ones.

I think, overall, many people have to understand that animations, specially in Asia, are not necessarily made for teenagers or children only, which can be shocking for an Western audience who grew up watching Disney/Pixar/CN/Nickelodeon and battle shounen animes like DBZ or Naruto.

droppa121 said:
LET ME SAY IT, THOUGH:

GAME OF THRONES (AND MANY OTHER HBO SERIES) ARE FULL OF FAN SERVICE SEX/NUDE SCENES.


Really, most of it could be removed (or portrayed differently) without losing its relevance for the context of the scene.

I mean, have you ever watched Westworld? It has a lot of meaningless nude scenes, even full frontal ones.

I think, overall, many people have to understand that animations, specially in Asia, are not necessarily made for teenagers or children only, which can be shocking for an Western audience who grew up watching Disney/Pixar/CN/Nickelodeon and battle shounen animes like DBZ or Naruto.

Hentai_heaven said:
dude sex isnt the problem, it's the so called "pedophilia".

droppa121 said:


I'm not trying to offend you, but when I saw "a Hentai_Heaven" and its profile picture quoting me, I got surprised when I saw a decent sexual take lol

FZREMAKE said:


This might be the reason why it wont get mainstream. Or even if it will, it will be full of hate.

ghier said:

The problem isn’t that Rudy is not abiding by my morals man. The problem is the show kind of normalizes not abiding them by making scenes concerning this lighthearted and without consequences. That’s the thing I can’t stand.

dabdabgoose said:
He comes from a scummy perspective though, this isn't a self insert MC he isn't someone who has a normal social upbringing it's incredibly messed up and that is reflected when he is brought into this world.


That's the reality of that world, not everything is all sunshine and rainbows, murderers & rapists get away with crimes and scummy behaviour most times isn't addressed.

Even back in the medieval times of our world this was common place, I say kudos to this show from not hiding away from scummy behaviour (which mind you is definitely not limited to rudeus, infact he is mild in comparison to others).

ghier said:

I mean I didn’t say the adaptation wasn’t spot on. I can’t really tell having not read the light novel. If that’s the way it is in light novel I’d probably have problems with it too. But you still did not answer my question about what you specifically felt as you were watching that scene.

He doesn’t have to be perfect; then it’d be closer to the generic isekai trash we always get. And I do get that he was a shut in and didn’t really care how people viewed him at that point. But umm … I’m not really sure it being logical justifies the presentation here. I have a problem with it b/c it essentially challenges (again, my perspective, have to say this) the idea that his actions are horrible by making it lighthearted, regardless of whether it’s Rudy’s POV or not.

Also, just to nail this home, it isn’t just Rudy’s perspective that makes these moments feel lighthearted. It is also the way characters around him react. There really aren’t any serious consequences for him acting this way. If there were, Rudy’s POV certainly wouldn’t be a lighthearted one.

Please consider the questions I posed in the previous post and whether or not they bring up valid points.

Just to give you some less grief, I am still enjoying the show. I love how in-depth the world is and how consequential the story is (aside for when it comes to you-know-what). It isn’t just mindless fun with a self insert MC. It just really pushes me away with these moments. If I’m being honest with you, I don’t even have a problem with the most recent episode … and actually find it a bit compelling. But there is a big difference between that and the “lighthearted” moments.

ghier said:

Well, I suppose you’re right that he’s mild in comparison to some. But don’t you get the feeling that some of these moments with him doing these horrendous things are meant to be humorous to the audience as well? Regardless of whether it’s Rudy’s perspective?

otto-rimuru said:
MT is on the same umbrella as redo of healer.

otto-rimuru said:


then that would mean he is no longer associated with the RL world and is effectively an isekai defector

that is a controversial stance, so obviously people are gonna shit on anyone who does something like that





MT has a load of sensitive/controversial themes and subjects in it. it's the perfect recipe to trigger/offend the easily triggered/offended. i'm more baffled what's not easy to understand about that

also, your sex point is under contextualized. by sex, i'm presuming that you are drawing parallels with shows like game of thrones and how it tries to tackle the nasty side of it. this is not game of thrones however, it's just usually for fanservice so far except for moments when it's narratively enriching and interwined like the recent episode with rudy and eris.

ngl, it's kinda hilarious when you phrase it as if this is some high deep anime about sexual stuff or something.

wasn't the echii tag changed to erotic or something? either way, MT is on the same umbrella as redo of healer.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
It won't. Sorry to burst some bubbles.

It had the chance to become mainstream with season 1, but it didn't. Even in Japan, people talk about one piece, my hero academia, demon slayer. Mushoki isn't even close to becoming mainstream. There's close to 0% chance it will do good in the west as well. 48% less people have taken interest to part 2 of this average show, and it will only keep decreasing with consecutive seasons.

The matter of the fact is, the show isn't as amazing as LN fanboys made/make it sound. The show has interesting aspects for sure, but many people, me included don't find it remotely as good. I don't know what people are imagining but the world of Mushoku Tensei feels small, empty and uninspiring.

I suspect the show won't become mainstream, but it has all the signs of one day turning into a hive of edgelords who rant how the masses can't appreciate the greatness of this "masterpiece", and only the chosen few can see why this is the best isekai evaaa.

dabdabgoose said:


This is a seriously bad take lmao.

ghier said:

Logic isn’t the problem here man. I ain’t digging up plot holes and haven’t really noticed any. Presentation is the problem.

For episode 8, I’d agree with you that Rudy chose the wrong time and didn’t treat her right, but I also think it’s wrong b/c it’s pedo lol. But again, I have no problems with that scene and actually found it compelling. Not sure why you were arguing on this point. I was trying to find common ground so we can level with one another a bit, you know?

ghier said:
I mean seeing what happens isn’t exactly just his POV. The show isn’t in first person lol. The way characters and the world respond to Rudy’s actions are just the reality.

And, be honest, did you really completely separate yourself from “Rudy’s POV” as you say it is when watching the show? Or did you instinctively feel these moments were humorous? The reason why I have a problem is b/c that is the feeling it gave me, and I had to consciously realize this is problematic. That’s what I mean when I say the show normalizes not abiding those morals.

dabdabgoose said:
The show is mostly in First person though, you barely hear of events outside of other main characters and the rest you learn as Rudeus learns. There is a reason you get narration from his inner thoughts because that's his perspective.

otto-rimuru said:


i don't see what's a bad take about saying that censored redo and MT are on the same umbrella of too much risqué content to be PG 13. ???????????????????????????????????????

droppa121 said:


I really disagree with everything.

Redo of a Healer is basically anime made for incels. Sex is power and submission, absolutely disgusting. I tried watching, dropped very quickly. Terrible in every sense.


And I'm not really thinking about Game of Thrones. I'm talking about real life too. Unless you live in a bubble, isn't sex a matter of importance in your life? Not only your sexuality, but the one from everybody around you?

MT is a novel. It is not a visual media. I read way too much books in my life and many of them described sexual behaviour, even intercourse from the characters.

I personally believe you're overthinking and reacting. People are way more critical than you think. And trust me, I'm by no means a sicko lmao, quite the opposite, I'm really critical to all the horny side of anime. What I'm telling is the sexual moments in MT are there with a context, not for fan service. Shows like Mieruko-Chan, for example, are what I'd call fan service ecchi.

Anzuelo said:
What hate are you talking about? I don't hate the show, I just hate its scenes like that. If you look at my profile, I really like Mushoku.

ghier said:
Well, yes, but everything that transpires in scene is still what you see. Books and novels are first person when events are described entirely through the eyes and ears of a character. With a show, we get to see and hear it all happen for ourselves. Just b/c Rudeus is always there and we get to listen in on his thoughts does not make the show entirely first person. Typically, you wouldn’t even use that phrase for a show.

And besides, Rudy’s perspective isn’t the only thing that is trying to convey humor.