Muv-Luv Alternative plagiarism

CovilEvil said:

Looks like a plagiarism of Code Geass Akito the exiled too. There are elements from Gundam IBO and Valkyria 3 as well... I particularly find 86 overrated because I've seen those animes which makes 86 seem redundant, but anyone who has never seen then must find 86 super innovative

CovilEvil said:

Looks like a plagiarism of Code Geass Akito the exiled too. There are elements from Gundam IBO and Valkyria 3 as well... I particularly find 86 overrated because I've seen those animes which makes 86 seem redundant and even boring sometimes because it became predicable, but anyone who has never seen then must think 86 is super innovative.
What bothers me the most in 86 is the narrative of the white savior, very common in Hollywood when it comes to storyes about racism, being racist.

Thigh_Tide said:
Just like Tolkien said, the shadow can only mock, it cannot make.

I mean, Asato Asato can't do characters, or plot, or theme, of course that extends to having ideas too.

CovilEvil said:


Also, makes sense that it's the same 5 people who complain as most 86 fans are newbie otakus who have barely seen any mecha.

CovilEvil said:

Just like you said, Muv Luv and Akito the exiled are no longer original, but 86 is absurdly similar to them.

Also, makes sense that it's the same 5 people who complain as most 86 fans are newbie otakus who have barely seen any mecha.

CovilEvil said:


Like you said, that's my opinion, but I'm not that wrong. There are more than 1500 mecha series, few people have seen 10 of them. Obviously, the greater your familiarity with the genre, the more a serie like 86 becomes average

CovilEvil said:


Like you said, that's my opinion, but I'm not that wrong. There are more than 1500 mecha series, few people have seen 10 of them. Obviously, the greater your familiarity with the genre, the more a serie like 86 becomes average

Gabriel_Gaming said:
Its wierd to Claim plagarism when the ideas in muvluv and akito Arendt even original to begin with but Go off

Edit: Also its very telling that most complaints about this show come from the same 5 people or so

Deloking said:

Muv Luv Alternative'world building is Heavy inspired by All you need is kill,but That's not the isuue Here.
The issue is That this show copied an entire narrative arc from Muv-Luv.
Also This is my first interaction with this Fandom above an answer in a previous post

Shishou_23 said:


Tfw you have to throw labels at others and put words in their mouths to validate your opinion.



It’s okay OP. Maybe one day, Muv-Luv will get an adaptation that is of a high quality like 86. Until then, what can I say, you can cope I guess by asserting dominance over other shows if it makes you feel better.

Deloking said:
But I am the OP, not him.

CovilEvil said:

Just like you said, Muv Luv and Akito the exiled are no longer original, but 86 is absurdly similar to them.

Also, makes sense that it's the same 5 people who complain as most 86 fans are newbie otakus who have barely seen any mecha.

Gabriel_Gaming said:

Even Cherry blossom and by extension the whole alternative 4 stuff isnt original. Charging the enyemys base for a last chance at victory is such a general concept that claiming plagarism is bullshit. Also i would like to see some proof for your "copied dialoge lines" because I also read muvluv (although its been some time) and didnt notice anything.

Deloking said:

>Charging the enemy base with a sofisticated airplane while all Humas nations attacks the legion to bait them while the MCs are in charge of Main target's destruction.
This entire operation is premised by the chiefs Briefing on Legion's warfare that has many lines copied by Isumi's briefings

Deloking said:

>Charging the enemy base with a sofisticated airplane while all Humas nations attacks the legion to bait them while the MCs are in charge of Main target's destruction.
This entire operation is premised by the chiefs Briefing on Legion's warfare that has many lines copied by Isumi's briefings

Deloking said:

>Charging the enemy base with a sofisticated airplane while all Humas nations attacks the legion to bait them while the MCs are in charge of Main target's destruction.
This entire operation is premised by the chiefs Briefing on Legion's warfare that has many lines copied by Isumi's briefings

Shishou_23 said:


It’s a recurrent military tactic in several media outlets to lure the enemies from their positions to create vulnerabilities and gaps. What even. Muv-luv was not first, neither is 86, but it doesn’t matter.

Deloking said:
There are ofc differences among them.
In MLA cherry blossom was written to be a climax, and after a very well written build up that made adequate the MCs for this mission.
In 86 they put (again) racism on them in a very silly way, forcing them to accept a suicide mission.

Deloking said:
There are ofc differences among them.
In MLA cherry blossom was written to be a climax, and after a very well written build up that made adequate the MCs for this mission.
In 86 they put (again) racism on them in a very silly way, forcing them to accept a suicide mission.

Gabriel_Gaming said:
So you admit that its not plagarism?

Deloking said:

No
The author copied Cherry Blossom and I'm pretty sure about that.
You can nitpick the details but it's the same thing in so many aspects.
That's not a negative Thing forse, is a good thing that the author took inspiration from MLA (and SNK) but it's written way worse.
I can't rid the feeling that I'm watching a cheap copy paste of various good shows

Deloking said:
no?
I said that MLA WB was inspired by AYNIK, no that was a copy.
And no the tactic 86 is putting on isn't so standardized how you are trying to picture.
THIS arc is copied at the limit of plagiarism, That fucking airplane has also a cannon (they foshadowed but I Bet my 5 dollars on it),The Whole operation born from the same premise after a Heavy enemy attack but it's different in the context because in 86 seems pulled out of the blue, whithout a real build up.
The right comparison should be between a Ferrari and a Wheelchair.

Deloking said:
no?
I said that MLA WB was inspired by AYNIK, no that was a copy.
And no the tactic 86 is putting on isn't so standardized how you are trying to picture.
THIS arc is copied at the limit of plagiarism, That fucking airplane has also a cannon (they foshadowed but I Bet my 5 dollars on it),The Whole operation born from the same premise after a Heavy enemy attack but it's different in the context because in 86 seems pulled out of the blue, whithout a real build up.
The right comparison should be between a Ferrari and a Wheelchair.

Gabriel_Gaming said:

Yes inspired and plagarized are different things literally google the definition.
Plagarizing means: totake the work or an idea of (someone) and pass it off as one's own.
While beings inspired means: To take something that makes someone want to do something or that gives someone an idea about what to do or create : a force or influence that inspires someone.
You are again increadably reductionist in your claims, claiming similarities to be an exact copy, also no the nachzehrer is unarmed(https://86-eighty-six.fandom.com/wiki/XC-1_Nachzehrer).
It seems like you think 86 copys from MUVLUV because you didnt like 86 and are now searching for reasons to degrade it in a discussion unrelated to its quality.

UnknownMinutes said:


QUESTION: did you even READ the source material? Remember you're fussing about a damn LN adaptation...

So before you start throwing around accusations of plagiarism I suggest you do the proper research like a civilized being.

Also the burden of the proof is on the accuser so now you HAVE to present proper sources and back up said claims with actual proof. Throwing around heavy words like plagiarism has actual consequences you know.

Gabriel_Gaming said:

Yes inspired and plagarized are different things literally google the definition.
Plagarizing means: totake the work or an idea of (someone) and pass it off as one's own.
While beings inspired means: To take something that makes someone want to do something or that gives someone an idea about what to do or create : a force or influence that inspires someone.
You are again increadably reductionist in your claims, claiming similarities to be an exact copy, also no the nachzehrer is unarmed(https://86-eighty-six.fandom.com/wiki/XC-1_Nachzehrer).
It seems like you think 86 copys from MUVLUV because you didnt like 86 and are now searching for reasons to degrade it in a discussion unrelated to its quality, at least thats what your last paragraph makes it seem like. Also A wheelchair and a car are also different things with different purposes, so claiming the one to be a copy of another makes no sense and reinforces my suspicion that you are just trying to shit on the series because you didn’t like it.
Edit: you owe me 5 dollars

Deloking said:
this is completely unrelated with the quote except the wheelchair part Tha was a Joke

Gabriel_Gaming said:

You still owe me 5 dollars

Deloking said:

My thoughts are based purely on the show.
I tried to Read the LN to understand better the way the author wanted to talk about a delicate Theme like racism, and I find out was the same thing of the show with a little bit more context so I dropped it.
But I mean, they are adapting 1 volume in 10 episodes so it was expected

Deloking said:

We'll see, if not a cannon, is a bomb

Gabriel_Gaming said:
The wiki literally says "Armaments: none" can you even read?

Deloking said:
Just Finished Muv-Luv Alternative VN 2 weeks ago, one of the most heart touching experience I had with a Japanese media.
I had noticed that this last narrative arc has a lot of similarity with one of the most important arcs in Alternative : Cherry blossoms operation.
At first I thought was just a sane inspiration, but after the last episode I don't know more what to Think, they copied also some dialogues lines, over THE WHOLE OPERATION.
Tell me what you think about , maybe I'm a little bit biased on the topic so I care to hear the opinions of more people.