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Oct 25, 2021 4:04 AM
#51
Lelouch for Code Geass one of the reason why I love the anime |
Oct 25, 2021 4:04 AM
#52
Levi. i would not mind to have a small anime (12-13episodes) with him as main character. |
Oct 25, 2021 4:25 AM
#53
yup and that glasses guy in hajimete too was hilarious sometimes. |
Oct 25, 2021 4:34 AM
#54
Or probably the only reason one might get to liking this show coz I didn't really liked any other characters besides him at all. Suzaku was the most annoying for me followed by that bitch nina. |
Oct 25, 2021 4:36 AM
#55
Lionel13927 said: Mineta are u kidding me? Clearly the villians carry this whole show for me the heroes are waaay to generic and boring. But,Mineta carried My Hero Academia, obviously. war arc deku[and in rogue arc] is an exception tho. |
Oct 25, 2021 4:41 AM
#56
Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool |
Oct 25, 2021 5:14 AM
#57
Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. |
Oct 25, 2021 5:27 AM
#58
MaxiDennis said: I meant that the show was really boring and only Yui was still making me watch that. And favorite numbers doesn't say a lot about a character, after all it's our personal opinion about them that counts, right?Endless_end said: For me Oregairu wouldn't work at all without Yui Well, that's a new. I would say Hachiman carried the show. Also, out of the trio, Yui has the least about of favorites (i know its know not a liking contest, but it gives a general idea): Hachiman Hikigaya: 47429 Favorites Yukino Yukinoshita: 20216 Favorites Yui Yuigahama: 8246 Favorites |
Oct 25, 2021 5:32 AM
#59
Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. You're not elaborating more on "Okabe is a good character" tho. What makes him one? What are you comparing in them that makes Subaru generic and Okabe amazing. I have read both Rezero webnovels and Steins Gate visual novel so I'm curious. |
Oct 25, 2021 5:51 AM
#60
aotisgoat23 said: Lionel13927 said: Mineta are u kidding me? Clearly the villians carry this whole show for me the heroes are waaay to generic and boring. But,Mineta carried My Hero Academia, obviously. war arc deku[and in rogue arc] is an exception tho. It was a joke lol To me it was Allmight who carried the early seasons, in the last 2... well, no one carries them, the show kinda dropped its quality. The villains are boring for me, too. I liked only Twice. |
Oct 25, 2021 6:03 AM
#61
Endless_end said: MaxiDennis said: I meant that the show was really boring and only Yui was still making me watch that. And favorite numbers doesn't say a lot about a character, after all it's our personal opinion about them that counts, right?Endless_end said: For me Oregairu wouldn't work at all without Yui Well, that's a new. I would say Hachiman carried the show. Also, out of the trio, Yui has the least about of favorites (i know its know not a liking contest, but it gives a general idea): Hachiman Hikigaya: 47429 Favorites Yukino Yukinoshita: 20216 Favorites Yui Yuigahama: 8246 Favorites Yeah, I know, but I was talking in a broad term. Because in regards to the topic discussion (in broad terms), she definitely did not carry the show alone. But yeah, if you enjoyed Oregairu for her then good for you. I mean, she is the comic relief character. |
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Oct 25, 2021 6:04 AM
#62
Lionel13927 said: If Bones actually go plus ultra for season 6, it would literally gonna be the best season of mha ever. So, wait for it coz u might start liking it again. Hope they don't fking ruin it with still frame animations and heavy censorship like they did with mva tho.aotisgoat23 said: Lionel13927 said: Mineta carried My Hero Academia, obviously. war arc deku[and in rogue arc] is an exception tho. It was a joke lol To me it was Allmight who carried the early seasons, in the last 2... well, no one carries them, the show kinda dropped its quality. The villains are boring for me, too. I liked only Twice. |
Oct 25, 2021 6:06 AM
#63
Yukino Yukinoshita carried the entire Oregairu due to her waifu bait. Because Wataru Watari Hachiman Hikigaya is insertable. |
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Oct 25, 2021 6:13 AM
#64
Reigan carried Mob Psycho 100 for me all the other characters where just boring and uninteresting. Reigan on the other hand was hilarious and the whole reason I watched the show. |
Oct 25, 2021 6:18 AM
#65
MaxiDennis said: Endless_end said: MaxiDennis said: Endless_end said: For me Oregairu wouldn't work at all without Yui Well, that's a new. I would say Hachiman carried the show. Also, out of the trio, Yui has the least about of favorites (i know its know not a liking contest, but it gives a general idea): Hachiman Hikigaya: 47429 Favorites Yukino Yukinoshita: 20216 Favorites Yui Yuigahama: 8246 Favorites Yeah, I know, but I was talking in a broad term. Because in regards to the topic discussion (in broad terms), she definitely did not carry the show alone. But yeah, if you enjoyed Oregairu for her then good for you. I mean, she is the comic relief character. Ahh now I see what you're trying to say. You're right, technically she didn't carry Oregairu all by herself, it was just my view over it, but probably out of what the thread was asking. |
Oct 25, 2021 6:18 AM
#66
Oct 25, 2021 6:26 AM
#67
Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. You're not elaborating more on "Okabe is a good character" tho. What makes him one? What are you comparing in them that makes Subaru generic and Okabe amazing. I have read both Rezero webnovels and Steins Gate visual novel so I'm curious. First, i'm talking about anime, i didn't read any novels and my opinions are based in the characters inside the anime. So starting with Subaru, he is bad because he fails in the aspect he should shine. The 'realism'. The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show. At least for me this is what they tried to do. Basically, all the changes in his personality just feels rushed and bad. They are so unnatural through the episodes that you can't take it serious. He has no inbetween, Subaru is either crazy, or good boi MC. I saw a lot of characters breakdowns in anime and honestly, Subaru was the worst i have ever seen. Btw my favorite episode in Re:Zero is his breakdown cuz it's so fucking funny unrealistic. I laughed and still laugh at it. Not only his character development is poor done but his personality is boring and has nothing unique at all, i can't even remember 1 singularity that differs him from other characters. Like, he is the fucking MC, this should be the biggest mistake when creating a protagonist. Later i talk about Okabe's character, english is not my mother tongue and talking in other languages makes me tired after a while. It's like doing math exercises, not funny. |
Oct 25, 2021 6:42 AM
#68
Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. You're not elaborating more on "Okabe is a good character" tho. What makes him one? What are you comparing in them that makes Subaru generic and Okabe amazing. I have read both Rezero webnovels and Steins Gate visual novel so I'm curious. First, i'm talking about anime, i didn't read any novels and my opinions are based in the characters inside the anime. So starting with Subaru, he is bad because he fails in the aspect he should shine. The 'realism'. The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show. At least for me this is what they tried to do. Basically, all the changes in his personality just feels rushed and bad. They are so unnatural through the episodes that you can't take it serious. He has no inbetween, Subaru is either crazy, or good boi MC. I saw a lot of characters breakdowns in anime and honestly, Subaru was the worst i have ever seen. Btw my favorite episode in Re:Zero is his breakdown cuz it's so fucking funny unrealistic. I laughed and still laugh at it. Not only his character development is poor done but his personality is boring and has nothing unique at all, i can't even remember 1 singularity that differs him from other characters. Like, he is the fucking MC, this should be the biggest mistake when creating a protagonist. Later i talk about Okabe's character, english is not my mother tongue and talking in other languages makes me tired after a while. It's like doing math exercises, not funny. I mean, you got it wrong in the first place? Season 1 subarau is an arrogant little shit. He's self centered. Sympathy is there yes, but that should be a given? It's more of you expecting something specific from the series and not liking it after it didn't show what you wanted it to. Also you say it's the biggest mistake when there's a huge number of people who clearly like his development, so it's less of a mistake and just a you thing. Even ignoring the several contradictory statements you just made regarding his personality. |
Oct 25, 2021 6:46 AM
#69
Violet Evergarden Dr.Stone Mushishi The Disastrous Life of Saiki K |
Oct 25, 2021 6:59 AM
#70
If it weren't for Kumagawa, i would like Medaka Box way less than now. |
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Oct 25, 2021 7:00 AM
#71
It's more of Kyuubey I think, especially in rewatching when you already know the spoiler. Madoka is more a passive protagonist after all. For Homura, I think Sayaka has a comparable spotlight as her. |
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Oct 25, 2021 7:39 AM
#72
Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. You're not elaborating more on "Okabe is a good character" tho. What makes him one? What are you comparing in them that makes Subaru generic and Okabe amazing. I have read both Rezero webnovels and Steins Gate visual novel so I'm curious. First, i'm talking about anime, i didn't read any novels and my opinions are based in the characters inside the anime. So starting with Subaru, he is bad because he fails in the aspect he should shine. The 'realism'. The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show. At least for me this is what they tried to do. Basically, all the changes in his personality just feels rushed and bad. They are so unnatural through the episodes that you can't take it serious. He has no inbetween, Subaru is either crazy, or good boi MC. I saw a lot of characters breakdowns in anime and honestly, Subaru was the worst i have ever seen. Btw my favorite episode in Re:Zero is his breakdown cuz it's so fucking funny unrealistic. I laughed and still laugh at it. Not only his character development is poor done but his personality is boring and has nothing unique at all, i can't even remember 1 singularity that differs him from other characters. Like, he is the fucking MC, this should be the biggest mistake when creating a protagonist. Later i talk about Okabe's character, english is not my mother tongue and talking in other languages makes me tired after a while. It's like doing math exercises, not funny. I mean, you got it wrong in the first place? Season 1 subarau is an arrogant little shit. He's self centered. Sympathy is there yes, but that should be a given? It's more of you expecting something specific from the series and not liking it after it didn't show what you wanted it to. Also you say it's the biggest mistake when there's a huge number of people who clearly like his development, so it's less of a mistake and just a you thing. Even ignoring the several contradictory statements you just made regarding his personality. It's not because someone is arrogant people is not going to symphatize with after seeing he dies so many times in brutal ways. He did nothing wrong to deserve that. If you don't symphatize with someone suffering just because you don't like his personality that''s just weird. Btw he is not even arrogant, he is just annoying and too sarcastic. Also using the argument that a huge number of people like it so it's good can't be serious right? His character development is totally based in the ressurection plot device to make him freak out, and Emilia or Rem to do the opposite thing calming him down. This everytime the show wants to change the mood or advance the plot. ''The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show.'' If these 2 things aren't the show's goal, tell me what they wanted to achieve? What are the contradictions about his personality? |
Oct 25, 2021 7:59 AM
#73
Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. You're not elaborating more on "Okabe is a good character" tho. What makes him one? What are you comparing in them that makes Subaru generic and Okabe amazing. I have read both Rezero webnovels and Steins Gate visual novel so I'm curious. First, i'm talking about anime, i didn't read any novels and my opinions are based in the characters inside the anime. So starting with Subaru, he is bad because he fails in the aspect he should shine. The 'realism'. The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show. At least for me this is what they tried to do. Basically, all the changes in his personality just feels rushed and bad. They are so unnatural through the episodes that you can't take it serious. He has no inbetween, Subaru is either crazy, or good boi MC. I saw a lot of characters breakdowns in anime and honestly, Subaru was the worst i have ever seen. Btw my favorite episode in Re:Zero is his breakdown cuz it's so fucking funny unrealistic. I laughed and still laugh at it. Not only his character development is poor done but his personality is boring and has nothing unique at all, i can't even remember 1 singularity that differs him from other characters. Like, he is the fucking MC, this should be the biggest mistake when creating a protagonist. Later i talk about Okabe's character, english is not my mother tongue and talking in other languages makes me tired after a while. It's like doing math exercises, not funny. I mean, you got it wrong in the first place? Season 1 subarau is an arrogant little shit. He's self centered. Sympathy is there yes, but that should be a given? It's more of you expecting something specific from the series and not liking it after it didn't show what you wanted it to. Also you say it's the biggest mistake when there's a huge number of people who clearly like his development, so it's less of a mistake and just a you thing. Even ignoring the several contradictory statements you just made regarding his personality. It's not because someone is arrogant people is not going to symphatize with after seeing he dies so many times in brutal ways. He did nothing wrong to deserve that. If you don't symphatize with someone suffering just because you don't like his personality that''s just weird. Btw he is not even arrogant, he is just annoying and too sarcastic. Also using the argument that a huge number of people like it so it's good can't be serious right? His character development is totally based in the ressurection plot device to make him freak out, and Emilia or Rem to do the opposite thing calming him down. This everytime the show wants to change the mood or advance the plot. ''The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show.'' If these 2 things aren't the show's goal, tell me what they wanted to achieve? What are the contradictions about his personality? He is indeed arrogant in season 1. Remember the scene where he gets schooled by Julius. Proclaiming himself as Emilia's knight in public out of nowhere while not actually understanding anything about it. Or him breaking promises left and right with Emilia and doesn't even try to see from her perspective. Subaru has no mature concepts for relationships. His motivations are toxic. He is someone who not only doesn't know how to respect other people's will/wishes, but willingly pushes it as if they're owed the attention. He's not supposed to be very likable at that point. I don't know if the anime got through with all this but either way in my opinion Subaru is a much better character than Okabe. Went on a weird tangent on this thread but I'm glad Subaru is getting the positive reception as a well written character after season 2. |
Oct 25, 2021 8:24 AM
#74
Akiroco said: 1- Freak out Well duh, that's a normal reaction when he keeps dying in the most painful ways, not being able to save someone he loves, and not being able to talk about his pain. Akiroco said: 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. In that case, you can pretty much say the same for almost any other character. They just make decisions and do stuff because plot. Akiroco said: Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. What else do you want him to do? Obviously he'll do what he can given his circumstances. Akiroco said: Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. No, that's because the setting and circumstances are different. Subaru suffered way more than Okabe because he not only had to worry about saving someone, but also die painfully again and again (which was due to outside factors and he couldn't do anything about it). And you also have to take into account his mental state before he came into this world, but you haven't watched season two and I'd rather not spoil. |
Oct 25, 2021 8:29 AM
#75
Erebus_Akeldama said: Gojo from Jujutsu Kaisen and yes I'm right, if you think that the other characters did good, quit lying to yourself, the main reason why people watch this show is for the Kakashi with pretty eyes. I found Sukuna way more interesting and also that Todo guy was hilarious. |
Oct 25, 2021 8:30 AM
#76
Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: Suhas9980 said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Subaru carried Re:Zero, I know you said not to mention mc's but people downplay him a lot. They are not wrong. He is a generic guy, just that. I only watched first season of Re:Zero and basically what Subaru just did the whole season was: 1- Freak out 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. Like if you put any other anime generic MC like some romcom anime protag in the place of Subaru, he would for sure do the same thing. Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. so Subaru is generic for doing something that's reasonable but Okabe is amazing for again, doing something that's realistic and reasonable? Cool You didn't get me. Okabe is amazing because he is a good character due to his development through the whole show. What I'm saying is that the same scene that Re:Zero does, Steins Gate does, but in Steins Gate the scene is much more impactful because Okabe is a good character and Subaru not. The time travel loop scene itself is not what makes Okabe good as a character. But otherwise what I see a lot from Re:Zero fandom is people worship Subaru because of the death loop scene and how realistic his actions are but that is just the common human behaviour. You're not elaborating more on "Okabe is a good character" tho. What makes him one? What are you comparing in them that makes Subaru generic and Okabe amazing. I have read both Rezero webnovels and Steins Gate visual novel so I'm curious. First, i'm talking about anime, i didn't read any novels and my opinions are based in the characters inside the anime. So starting with Subaru, he is bad because he fails in the aspect he should shine. The 'realism'. The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show. At least for me this is what they tried to do. Basically, all the changes in his personality just feels rushed and bad. They are so unnatural through the episodes that you can't take it serious. He has no inbetween, Subaru is either crazy, or good boi MC. I saw a lot of characters breakdowns in anime and honestly, Subaru was the worst i have ever seen. Btw my favorite episode in Re:Zero is his breakdown cuz it's so fucking funny unrealistic. I laughed and still laugh at it. Not only his character development is poor done but his personality is boring and has nothing unique at all, i can't even remember 1 singularity that differs him from other characters. Like, he is the fucking MC, this should be the biggest mistake when creating a protagonist. Later i talk about Okabe's character, english is not my mother tongue and talking in other languages makes me tired after a while. It's like doing math exercises, not funny. I mean, you got it wrong in the first place? Season 1 subarau is an arrogant little shit. He's self centered. Sympathy is there yes, but that should be a given? It's more of you expecting something specific from the series and not liking it after it didn't show what you wanted it to. Also you say it's the biggest mistake when there's a huge number of people who clearly like his development, so it's less of a mistake and just a you thing. Even ignoring the several contradictory statements you just made regarding his personality. It's not because someone is arrogant people is not going to symphatize with after seeing he dies so many times in brutal ways. He did nothing wrong to deserve that. If you don't symphatize with someone suffering just because you don't like his personality that''s just weird. Btw he is not even arrogant, he is just annoying and too sarcastic. Also using the argument that a huge number of people like it so it's good can't be serious right? His character development is totally based in the ressurection plot device to make him freak out, and Emilia or Rem to do the opposite thing calming him down. This everytime the show wants to change the mood or advance the plot. ''The whole Re:Zero's first season is around the viewers symphatize with Subaru's character and see themselves in him through his whole suffering and how he develops through the show.'' If these 2 things aren't the show's goal, tell me what they wanted to achieve? What are the contradictions about his personality? He is indeed arrogant in season 1. Remember the scene where he gets schooled by Julius. Proclaiming himself as Emilia's knight in public out of nowhere while not actually understanding anything about it. Or him breaking promises left and right with Emilia and doesn't even try to see from her perspective. Subaru has no mature concepts for relationships. His motivations are toxic. He is someone who not only doesn't know how to respect other people's will/wishes, but willingly pushes it as if they're owed the attention. He's not supposed to be very likable at that point. I don't know if the anime got through with all this but either way in my opinion Subaru is a much better character than Okabe. Went on a weird tangent on this thread but I'm glad Subaru is getting the positive reception as a well written character after season 2. That's true, but if i remember correctly, he starts with this attitude after he breaks for the first time isn't it? For me, that was a way of self defense. He trying to be reliable and intimidating to others in a world where everyone is much stronger than him and he can't do anything alone. Anyways, i do believe he isn't that bad in novel, but the anime did him dirty. Animes usually rush character development when adapting novels. Cutting important stuff... Maybe i give a try to second season if the pace gets better. |
Oct 25, 2021 8:32 AM
#77
Ban and Escanor carried Seven Deadly Sins |
Oct 25, 2021 8:35 AM
#78
Erebus_Akeldama said: Gojo from Jujutsu Kaisen and yes I'm right, if you think that the other characters did good, quit lying to yourself, the main reason why people watch this show is for the Kakashi with pretty eyes. Nope, I didn't watch it for Gojo, neither did I start liking it cuz of Gojo. Every character in that show is amazing. Gojo wasn't the only one who carried the show |
Oct 25, 2021 8:36 AM
#79
caprisan said: In my opinion Katsura carried first season of Gintama, most of the peak jokes included him. Kinda agree he was my favorite too in the beginning but I slowly started liking the Yorozuya and Shinsengumi more as the series went on. But we all know that every main character in Gintama is brilliant |
Oct 25, 2021 8:54 AM
#80
MuZe- said: Akiroco said: 1- Freak out Well duh, that's a normal reaction when he keeps dying in the most painful ways, not being able to save someone he loves, and not being able to talk about his pain. Akiroco said: 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. In that case, you can pretty much say the same for almost any other character. They just make decisions and do stuff because plot. Akiroco said: Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. What else do you want him to do? Obviously he'll do what he can given his circumstances. Akiroco said: Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. No, that's because the setting and circumstances are different. Subaru suffered way more than Okabe because he not only had to worry about saving someone, but also die painfully again and again (which was due to outside factors and he couldn't do anything about it). And you also have to take into account his mental state before he came into this world, but you haven't watched season two and I'd rather not spoil. You forgot the main post topic: 'Characters that carried their entire show alone' In the topic states: 'What characters can you guys think of, that if wasn't for him or her the show would be way worse or wouldn't even work. Like, no other character could replace it.' Someone said Subaru and i was arguing against it. As i said anyone can replace Subaru, he is pretty basic and only did basic stuff. Take Lelouch as example, it's pretty hard or even impossible to find other anime characters that would have done the same he done in Code Geass if they were in his place. |
Oct 25, 2021 9:15 AM
#81
caprisan said: have to easily disagreeIn my opinion Katsura carried first season of Gintama, most of the peak jokes included him. There were many episodes and arcs without katsura that were just equally hilarious That yagyu clan arc or even shinsengumi crisis arc in terms of action arcs According to me , if I need to remove someone from gintama to make it lose it's charm, that person is the only one , our cheesecake gorilla |
Oct 25, 2021 9:16 AM
#82
Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Akiroco said: 1- Freak out Well duh, that's a normal reaction when he keeps dying in the most painful ways, not being able to save someone he loves, and not being able to talk about his pain. Akiroco said: 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. In that case, you can pretty much say the same for almost any other character. They just make decisions and do stuff because plot. Akiroco said: Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. What else do you want him to do? Obviously he'll do what he can given his circumstances. Akiroco said: Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. No, that's because the setting and circumstances are different. Subaru suffered way more than Okabe because he not only had to worry about saving someone, but also die painfully again and again (which was due to outside factors and he couldn't do anything about it). And you also have to take into account his mental state before he came into this world, but you haven't watched season two and I'd rather not spoil. You forgot the main post topic: 'Characters that carried their entire show alone' In the topic states: 'What characters can you guys think of, that if wasn't for him or her the show would be way worse or wouldn't even work. Like, no other character could replace it.' Someone said Subaru and i was arguing against it. As i said anyone can replace Subaru, he is pretty basic and only did basic stuff. Take Lelouch as example, it's pretty hard or even impossible to find other anime characters that would have done the same he done in Code Geass if they were in his place. Lelouch can be replaced by Reinhard from LotGH because he was actually inspired by Reinhard. Regardless, yes, I misunderstood your post. But so did many other people, like the person who said Gojo since he could be replaced by Kakashi, Levi, Killlua, etc. I thought you were saying replaced as in if that character died, another character from the same show couldn't take their place. |
Oct 25, 2021 9:27 AM
#83
Oct 25, 2021 9:33 AM
#84
MuZe- said: Akiroco said: MuZe- said: Akiroco said: 1- Freak out Well duh, that's a normal reaction when he keeps dying in the most painful ways, not being able to save someone he loves, and not being able to talk about his pain. Akiroco said: 2- Compose himself because it was his only option gave the anime setup. In that case, you can pretty much say the same for almost any other character. They just make decisions and do stuff because plot. Akiroco said: Since Subaru is immortal either he would keep dying forever what is just dumb or look for a solution each ressurection, what he did. What else do you want him to do? Obviously he'll do what he can given his circumstances. Akiroco said: Steins Gate for example do the same thing and is so much better than Re:Zero. The reason why, is simple because Okabe is a way better character than Subaru. No, that's because the setting and circumstances are different. Subaru suffered way more than Okabe because he not only had to worry about saving someone, but also die painfully again and again (which was due to outside factors and he couldn't do anything about it). And you also have to take into account his mental state before he came into this world, but you haven't watched season two and I'd rather not spoil. You forgot the main post topic: 'Characters that carried their entire show alone' In the topic states: 'What characters can you guys think of, that if wasn't for him or her the show would be way worse or wouldn't even work. Like, no other character could replace it.' Someone said Subaru and i was arguing against it. As i said anyone can replace Subaru, he is pretty basic and only did basic stuff. Take Lelouch as example, it's pretty hard or even impossible to find other anime characters that would have done the same he done in Code Geass if they were in his place. Lelouch can be replaced by Reinhard from LotGH because he was actually inspired by Reinhard. Regardless, yes, I misunderstood your post. But so did many other people, like the person who said Gojo since he could be replaced by Kakashi, Levi, Killlua, etc. I thought you were saying replaced as in if that character died, another character from the same show couldn't take their place. Saying no other character couldn't replace is too agressive of course, there are millions of other animes, i was just overstating it. But the post is free to be understandable whatever people want, since i also stated that without the character the show would turn worse. That applies to Gojo. I liked both ways people understood the post. |
Oct 25, 2021 11:33 PM
#85
If it wasn´t for You-know Gasai, then I would have dropped Mirai Nikki immediately. |
Oct 25, 2021 11:52 PM
#87
Tokuchi Toua is pretty much the only interesting character from One Outs |
Oct 26, 2021 12:00 AM
#88
Lelouch. He was the only decent character from Code Geass in my opinion. |
Oct 26, 2021 12:01 AM
#89
- Chi (Chi's Sweet Home) - Ginko - Kumoko - Saiki Kusuo - Senkuu |
Oct 26, 2021 1:17 AM
#90
one of the most valid reply among recent shows...siesta from tantei mou wa shindeiru |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
Oct 26, 2021 2:10 AM
#91
I think we could all agree that Kurumi from Date A Live was way more popular than the show itself and is one of the best example in this case. There's also Gasai Yuno and Gojo. |
Oct 26, 2021 2:35 AM
#92
Reingan from mob psycho Umm.. mob was a nice character But really I watched season 1 and then moved on to season 2 only because of reingan otherwise I was going to drop mob psycho But season 2 was awesome Still , in terms of characters, reingan easily dominates in mob psycho Rest all characters (excluding kageyama) were boring 😑😑 |
Oct 26, 2021 4:16 AM
#93
Kageyama from haikyuu That's one of the reasons that I didn't like haikyuu that much. I hated kageyama and they kept showing how godly he did things. |
Oct 26, 2021 6:46 AM
#94
i think it's obvious that pen pen carried the entire evangelion series, truly the most complex character of them all |
Oct 26, 2021 11:03 AM
#95
Oct 26, 2021 1:52 PM
#96
Son Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball is the obvious answer for me |
Oct 26, 2021 3:03 PM
#98
Kira carried Diamond is Unbreakable |
Oct 26, 2021 4:49 PM
#99
I mean, Spice and Wolf is good on its own, but Holo and her relationship to Lawrence carried the whole show. |
Oct 26, 2021 10:56 PM
#100
the first one to come to mind is nisaka from koi to uso. all the other characters were shiiiiit also morita from hachimitsu to clover. that dude was hilarious lol |
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