LukeLippo said: Yes. There either will be a 3rd season, or the story will be left unfinished.We have I think 3 episodes left of sotsu and we haven't even seen the grown up versions of Rika and satoko besides the OP and ED. Is it possible the studio is going for a 3rd and final 12 episode season to completely wrap up the series? Idk I think it could happen to prevent a rushed ending to sotsu. It could also be a movie or a OVA. ( probably not a movie tho ). Thoughts? I doubt they will actually rush the end to finally finish this, but I guess that's a decent possibility aswell. Nonetheless, it's a lose-lose situation for us. |
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| Umm... Sotsu isn't a second season because it is a sequel to Gou and the OGs. Yeah, it has a chance to get 4th season of Higurashi. It can lead to Umineko remake as well. |
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| I think we'll get a connection to umenko when they cry And we might get a remake or a s2 of that |
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| Very Unlikely. What are you gonna do with a third season? The club is unlikely to play any major role, and theyve exhausted all of Gous arcs by the next ep. The only thing left is a fight between Rika and Satoko. The OP actually shows a 'battle' between Rika and Satoko, so I expect the last two eps to deal with it. One ep is enough for a fight. The last ep will wrap everything up. What do any of you want a third season to cover? Ideas? Imo, they have nothing else to do. The next ep will probably end with Rika setting up or springing the bear trap to Satoko. So that leaves the two eps free. |
ChargecoulombSep 14, 2021 10:53 AM
| I genuinely hope there's a third season cuz there's no way everything is being wrapped up in the next 3 episodes. If not, I'll have to say that Sotsu will have been one of the most disappointing anime I've ever watched. |
| I dont care how this finishes, I wont be satisfied anyway,so I'd rather not have to watched another season of this. |
MagicPolly said: Imagine anime only not being disappointed if it continues.I genuinely hope there's a third season cuz there's no way everything is being wrapped up in the next 3 episodes. If not, I'll have to say that Sotsu will have been one of the most disappointing anime I've ever watched. Sounds a lot of those people who were saying "I can't judge this season, I have to see the next first to judge this", never ending cycle. |
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Hulio said: MagicPolly said: Imagine anime only not being disappointed if it continues.I genuinely hope there's a third season cuz there's no way everything is being wrapped up in the next 3 episodes. If not, I'll have to say that Sotsu will have been one of the most disappointing anime I've ever watched. Sounds a lot of those people who were saying "I can't judge this season, I have to see the next first to judge this", never ending cycle. What? I'm just saying that if they leave the story unfinished or rush it then I'll be a lot more disappointed if there's a followup confirmed. I still think this season is shit either way but if there's the promise of a followup I can forgive it slightly. |
| At this point anything will be disappointing no matter what. The story concludes in 3 episodes? They somehow managed to get another season/OVA? Passione will take the mantle to "adapt"/reboot Umineko? I don't care which, I just want it to end. |
| I can honestly see it happening. If not, I'm expecting a poor conclusion |
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| I'll just reiterate (and now expand upon a bit) my thoughts from the other thread where this topic was raised, Higurashi Gou was 24 episodes. Sotsu is (officially and as of now, whether it changes later or not) 15 episodes. Combined, that's a total of 39 episodes. The original two seasons comprising the main Higurashi story are 51 episodes (26 episodes of season one + 24 episodes of season two/Kai + 1 episode of the Nekogoroshi-hen OVA which can be fit to slide right anywhere in the midst of season one or between seasons one and two). 51 episodes compared to 39 in these new seasons or sequel series or whatever you consider it. It has taken them almost 40 episodes in Gou + Sotsu to tell like less than 5% of a story in scope, complexity, and depth as the original Higurashi seasons. At this rate, they'd need like 1200 episodes to get there. Much of the content if it's not reused scenes is just Satoko and Eua/Featherine doing and saying the same things over and over without any real characterization and insight to their mindset beyond that in the form of internal monologue or any other, let alone those of Rena, Keiichi, Mion, and Shion who are all virtual non-entities in this story (Shion is basically persona non grata and the others are useless with no real role or new territory covered at all) or, arguably and even more controversially yet more damningly, even Rika herself. She's been reduced to a caricature and no new perspective on her actions and choices has even been given in Sotsu. Why do you need more episodes of that? The more I think about it, the more I realize that as much as I criticized Gou and still do for, in my view deserved reasons, it actually had a lot more new and interesting content relative to Sotsu, and that isn't just down to episode count. Sotsu has used none of its episodes productively in the correct way. The arc and trajectory of the series is what is wrong. It should have from the start of Sotsu to now been getting better and more interesting than Gou, not worse. Compare Sotsu to Kai. People jokingly refer to this as the Satoko show now or the Satoko Oyashiro show, but Satoko herself was infinitely more developed in the first two seasons rather than just this caricature of malevolence on a sound bite loop. The characters, including all the mains, have been either dumbed down, simplified, or outright excluded. So will more episodes improve a major flaw in the writing from its inception? I'd say not. Natsuki_SanJuan said: Umm... Sotsu isn't a second season because it is a sequel to Gou and the OGs. Yeah, it has a chance to get 4th season of Higurashi. It can lead to Umineko remake as well. Sotsu is either the fourth season itself or the fifth if you count the three episode canon arc of Higurashi Rei. (2006 = first season, 2007 = second season, 2009 = third season, 2020 = fourth season, and 2021 = fifth season). So it's more like wondering about getting a fifth or sixth season of Higurashi. |
WatchTillTandavaSep 14, 2021 11:57 PM
| Off topic but How did Satoko got that Oyashiro cursed injection? |
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| She stole it from Takano, it was on the last episode episode of Gou if I remember correctly. |
thereIwasnt said: Has to be. 1) 15 episodes is not firm. It's a total computed by people who looked at the Anime's Website's DVD page. This page has changed several times in the past, including readjusting labels and adding all of Sotsu. We also know that the webdevs hide things all the way down to the dev comments. The name of Oniakashi-hen was literally listed as #25~ in the dev text until the minute the episode aired. 2) Look at your MAL history. How many shows have you seen with 15 episodes? If you're like me, Bakemonogatari is the only one, and it was aired spread out over a whole year because Shaft is Shaft. 3) If things proceed at their current pace, the only solution is that Satoko dies in E15, having learned nothing, and that's it. Not only is that a massive downer and incredibly lackluster, it's antithetical to Higurashi's themes. The alternative is Satoko realizes her mistakes with a simple "oops" and is instantly forgiven by Rika, which would be even worse. Having another cour gives us the benefit of Satoko putting in her own effort to realize precisely what her mistake was, and teaching herself to live without Rika. Being killed before Rika would send her somewhere with an appropriate 'time out' and punishment of not having Rika to advocate for her against the Hinamizawa she took advantage of for the past dozen episodes. A dramatic arc of Satoko learning on her own what she did wrong, coming to terms with herself, and then meeting Rika again and moving on would be far better and way more powerful than anything they can do in two episodes, and for that, they need time. Eviltoko is unlikely to get redeemed, or realise her mistakes, what is likely gonna happen is that goodtoko (who was seemingly killed by eviltoko) will return to let Rika kill Eviltoko. This is the ending I expect. Simply because Goodtoko was introduced, and is probably gonna return again in some way to help Rika defeat eviltoko. If Satoko does loose Rika, she's unlikely to ever meet her again. Besides the 'real' Rika is the Rika who drinks tea with the Ojous at St Lucia. Satoko wants the fake Rika. Throwing her into another world with a normal Rika instead of a looper Rika is exactly what she needs. Because that is the Rika that she WANTS (but she hasn't realised it yet) More EPs is always possible, because they pulled this trick with Gou. Although why they lie to people about the no of EPs is a mystery to me. |
| It probably will get a sequel. Knowing how popular this is. |
PinkShibaInu said: thereIwasnt said: Having another cour gives us the benefit of Satoko putting in her own effort to realize precisely what her mistake was, and teaching herself to live without Rika. If you're expecting redemption, revenge, or a full season I hate to break it to you but you're in the largest groups of people most likely to be sorely disappointed next. Everyone will get maybe a movie at most. A fairly new anime studio like Passione is struggling as it is with just a half season like Sotsu (even Gou looked awful a lot of the time.) Idk where this "3rd season" expectations truly comes from. It's all baseless. xershey said: It probably will get a sequel. Knowing how popular this is. Sales are terrible so idk where people are getting this from either. Sales were ok BEFORE people realized this wasn't a remake halfway through Gou, sales now are inexcusably abysmal. You guys do KNOW that a lot of the people who say they LIKE this show LIKE it because they think it's so BAD it's like watching a train wreck right? Those kinds of people don't exactly pay the bills to afford a full 3rd season. They barely are doing 15 episodes that REUSED a ton of animation and writing. Who is paying for this so called 3rd season and what the hell would even happen? Ohh, my bad lol. I got the sales mixed up. |
thereIwasnt said: Has to be. 1) 15 episodes is not firm. It's a total computed by people who looked at the Anime's Website's DVD page. This page has changed several times in the past, including readjusting labels and adding all of Sotsu. We also know that the webdevs hide things all the way down to the dev comments. The name of Oniakashi-hen was literally listed as #25~ in the dev text until the minute the episode aired. 2) Look at your MAL history. How many shows have you seen with 15 episodes? If you're like me, Bakemonogatari is the only one, and it was aired spread out over a whole year because Shaft is Shaft. 3) If things proceed at their current pace, the only solution is that Satoko dies in E15, having learned nothing, and that's it. Not only is that a massive downer and incredibly lackluster, it's antithetical to Higurashi's themes. The alternative is Satoko realizes her mistakes with a simple "oops" and is instantly forgiven by Rika, which would be even worse. Having another cour gives us the benefit of Satoko putting in her own effort to realize precisely what her mistake was, and teaching herself to live without Rika. Being killed before Rika would send her somewhere with an appropriate 'time out' and punishment of not having Rika to advocate for her against the Hinamizawa she took advantage of for the past dozen episodes. A dramatic arc of Satoko learning on her own what she did wrong, coming to terms with herself, and then meeting Rika again and moving on would be far better and way more powerful than anything they can do in two episodes, and for that, they need time. Those would be logical expectations if the 36 episodes we've already seen of Gou + Sotsu demonstrated even once they had a fraction of that depth and forethought. If they had, then they wouldn't have structured the majority of the seasons which have already aired and the episodes that they had in the way that they did. In the original seasons, they didn't just waste the majority of the first 36 episodes and then save everything meaningful for the last few. The story as it stands now in detail and complexity could have been done in like a 5 - 8 episode OVA. I'll just say that you know something has already gone terribly wrong when you feel a lot more weight and gravity and receive a lot more emotional satisfaction out of three episodes of Rei versus 36 of Gou/Sotsu... |
WatchTillTandavaSep 15, 2021 2:21 PM
| I think that there would actually be more than 15 episodes. Only a few anime are 15 episodes long so the real number might actually be about 24-26. I am not even sure if this series would get a 3rd season (of 5th season if the OG's are included) since it doesn't seem necessary and Ryukishi07 might want to remake the Umineko anime instead since he might have created Gou and Sotsu to bridge the Higurashi series with the Umineko series. |
Manu_0 said: xJc1 said: I think that there would actually be more than 15 episodes. Only a few anime are 15 episodes long so the real number might actually be about 24-26. I am not even sure if this series would get a 3rd season (of 5th season if the OG's are included) since it doesn't seem necessary and Ryukishi07 might want to remake the Umineko anime instead since he might have created Gou and Sotsu to bridge the Higurashi series with the Umineko series. I don't think he'll never remake the Umineko anime for the same reason he doesn't want to remake Higurashi, he likes the DEEN adaptations a lot and he says he doesn't want to replace them The main thing is that adapting Umineko is a HUGE undertaking. In the age of seasonal short anime. Many studios will get cold feet about adapting such a long story. Uminekos popularity is also... Not that high. And is barely talked about in the wider anime sphere, a huge problem for any adaptation. Even in the VN community it only has a small following. Uminekos structure calls for a high attention to detail. Which means even more work for studios. Which is why Umineko was never adapted. (Again) |
ChargecoulombSep 16, 2021 12:39 PM
Manu_0 said: I don't think he'll ever remake the Umineko anime for the same reason he doesn't want to remake Higurashi, he likes the DEEN adaptations a lot and he says he doesn't want to replace them I don't think you can reasonably compare seasons one and two of the Higurashi adaptation by Studio DEEN to the Umineko one. I realize some visual novel readers have problems with and dislike the adaptation, but let's be real. Visual novel purists have a problem with virtually every adaptation. The same goes for manga and light novel and regular novel purists, along with staunch devotees of any other source material since the dawn of film. For the general audience - either those who never read the source material and don't intend to (or even know it exists), or have read it but treat the anime and the source as two separate entities and don't care at all how faithful and similar they are, the Higurashi anime was a tremendous and wild success. It did well in Japan, is well-known in anime-watching circles in the Western world and internationally, has had a respectably high rating on MAL for almost 15 years, etc. The Umineko anime by comparison was both at the time and in all the 12 years since widely considered a failure, not only as an adaptation but as an independent anime series in its own right, doesn't have near the same level of critical or commercial success, and is outright unfinished with only half the story (a very rushed version of the first half rushed to the point of semi-incoherence) even told. |
WatchTillTandavaSep 16, 2021 12:06 PM
| Well, they have reached the limits of their ideas, so I don't see a sequel of this shitfest coming. Maybe they have other Higurashi projects in mind with the grown up characters, but this one storyline kinda led things into a ultimatum. If this is the storyline used to connect to Umineko, I would start hating Umineko too, so don't wanna see that happening. Well who knows, many creators ultimately crap on their own creations. Ridley Scott with the Alien franchise, for example. Being an old renowned series means sales aren't the only thing that'll decide a sequel. |
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Laplace_kun said: What do you mean?Well, they have reached the limits of their ideas, so I don't see a sequel of this shitfest coming. Next season will be another season of recaps, except this time we will have occasional Hanyuu's pov scenes. Or maybe not Hanyuu, Eua perhaps? Yes the next season will be utterly amusing for all the child of men. |
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| I wouldn't be surprised. This series is nothing more than an unneeded, forced story made for easy cash. And a sequel of this would be the same. |
| Hopefully not!!! Although I would understand because THOSE F*CKERS drag this "season" to almost the very end of it, I really hope there would not be a 3rd season, especially if related with gou/sotsu. I can almost compare this to Umineko. Please don't do another alike! |
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Chargecoulomb said: I expect Umineko to finally get the love it deserves and get a remake immediately following this. But yeah, Higurashi seems done.Very Unlikely. What are you gonna do with a third season? The club is unlikely to play any major role, and theyve exhausted all of Gous arcs by the next ep. The only thing left is a fight between Rika and Satoko. The OP actually shows a 'battle' between Rika and Satoko, so I expect the last two eps to deal with it. One ep is enough for a fight. The last ep will wrap everything up. What do any of you want a third season to cover? Ideas? Imo, they have nothing else to do. The next ep will probably end with Rika setting up or springing the bear trap to Satoko. So that leaves the two eps free. |
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r_justo said: In all honesty, the Umineko anime isn't even this bad.I can almost compare this to Umineko. Please don't do another alike! Sure it's one hell of a fever dream, but atleast it wasn't a boring recap fillered shitfest like this one is. It also had in character characters and some cool moments and well written dialogues. Which are pretty much non-existent in this one. |
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| I don't even like Gou or Sotsu, but... I think we are probably going to have more Sotsu chapters than a whole new season. Do you remember that Gou was supposed to be 15 (or another number, I don't remember) chapters as well? |
Hulio said: r_justo said: In all honesty, the Umineko anime isn't even this bad.I can almost compare this to Umineko. Please don't do another alike! Sure it's one hell of a fever dream, but atleast it wasn't a boring recap fillered shitfest like this one is. It also had in character characters and some cool moments and well written dialogues. Which are pretty much non-existent in this one. Unfortunately, it's true -.- Although I saw all eps of Umineko in a row, I can say that I had more fun watching it than with Sotsu. At least you had a plot on Umineko and it was always changing one bit at a time... In Sotsu... It's a boring-ass recap... And people always give bad notes to recap eps, and we had almost a full season of it! Let me make this more understandable... I would prefer a new season of Umineko than a new season of Gou/Sotsu. And this says a lot! |
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| The Deen Umineko was good compared to Gou/Sotsu. At least I enojyed watching that one and it kept me interested, unlike this Higu-abomination. |
| I'm still wondering why we reached the cliffhanger of Gou after 13 RECAP EPISODES OF SOTSU!!! THAT'S ALMOST AS LONG AS THE QUESTION ARCS OF GOU!!! *sigh* Just let let this dumpster fire cool off already, it's already been burnt to a crisp and it doesn't resemble its original form in any way now |
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| Third season? I hope it won't happen. Plssssss |
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goib1234 said: but ryu07 said after sotsu he will keep writing Higurashi right? Will probably focus on Ciconia. If Sotsugou has proven something. Its that Higurashis story and cast have reached their natural conclusion. Any attempt to reintroduce conflict is gonna come out as forced and Stupid. Satokos reason to do all of this is still flimsy as all heck, and literally eveything that has happened feels Forced in some way. The same for Umineko. The problem with any Sequels to Umi snd Higu is there isnt anything more you can do with these characters. Theres nothing in Hinimaizawa to flesh out, the characters have been fleshed out, what are you gonna do, make someone else a looper??? Theres nothing left to squeeze out of Higu except non cannon Gacha stuff like Mei. Umineko conclusively concluded with Umineko Saku. Have you read it? It ties up literally everything. So theres nothing left to squeeze out of Umineko after Saku. |
| 07th expansion is never even finishing ciconia at this rate. Sotsu and Gou was a waste of resources and everyones time and probably used to market ciconia which assumedly is failing. |
k11chi said: Oh no, Ciconia will finish. At this rate, Passione will jump on it and animate the phase 2 as continuation to VN.07th expansion is never even finishing ciconia at this rate. Sotsu and Gou was a waste of resources and everyones time and probably used to market ciconia which assumedly is failing. |
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Chargecoulomb said: Will probably focus on Ciconia. If Sotsugou has proven something. Its that Higurashis story and cast have reached their natural conclusion. Any attempt to reintroduce conflict is gonna come out as forced and Stupid. Satokos reason to do all of this is still flimsy as all heck, and literally eveything that has happened feels Forced in some way. The same for Umineko. The problem with any Sequels to Umi snd Higu is there isnt anything more you can do with these characters. Theres nothing in Hinimaizawa to flesh out, the characters have been fleshed out, what are you gonna do, make someone else a looper??? Theres nothing left to squeeze out of Higu except non cannon Gacha stuff like Mei. Umineko conclusively concluded with Umineko Saku. Have you read it? It ties up literally everything. So theres nothing left to squeeze out of Umineko after Saku. I would say you could reliably enough do it with one major caveat - Just make it a Slice of Life series with all our loved familiar characters set in Hinamizawa and the broader Higurashi universe. Basically, make it like a non-OVA, longer running Kira. Have some lighthearted comedic episodes, some romantic episodes, some dramatic episodes (dramatic as in more classic coming-of-age themes and domestic family problems - not like Takano and Nomura's conspiracy or looping through a century of death and torture), maybe some light Hyouka-style mysteries, some fantastical dream sequences like the Mahou Shoujo parody in Kira, some Non Non Biyori-style iyashikei, etc. Bam. The bar and standards become automatically different for what qualifies as satisfying content. It's clear that deadly serious high-stakes mystery, horror, and thriller are not going to work anymore - at least with the time and budget allotted and the caliber and intricacy of writing and work either Ryukishi, the studio concerned, or both, are either willing or able to put in at this point. As a veteran horror junkie, I'm intimately acquainted with what B-horror feels like (it feels like torrents and buckets of blood and no sense to anything happening, then more buckets of blood to cover up and compensate for the fact that there's no sense to anything happening). I thought at the time Kira was easily the weakest entry in the series compared to what preceded it (which it was...at the time), but I would rather watch 1,000 episodes of a Slice of Life-based Higurashi centered on club activities and the gang hanging out along with normal teenage and rural village quirks and problems than another sloppy dramatic failure season based on a poorly written and undeveloped premise. I think when Sotsu presumably ends in two episodes and we are left with 39 episodes as the combined total of these last two seasons of Gou and Sotsu, I would have preferred them spent these 39 episodes on a calm, funny, and cute club SoL. |
WatchTillTandavaSep 20, 2021 4:05 PM
PinkShibaInu said: Funny how you mention the comparison of Kira to Sotsu, as Sotsu has done by far the worst in Higurashi's entire history. It sold less BDs vs DVDs compared to Kira, it had less views than Kira, and it ultimately had terrible viewer retention as predicted (it fell off FAST after the first arc which usually didn't happen.) So yeah... not the best look for the franchise as a whole. There were clearly trade-offs here and nobody outright won. Some people like reddit + twitter still love Sotsu/Gou to DEATH (even up to now) however everyone else simply tuned out. *shrugs* I also think many people can be more tolerant or forgiving of something like Kira because it's clearly meant to be just extra bonus material released as an OVA. It's more like "Watch it if you're into or have a high tolerance for this very specific type of thing. We're going to strongly establish a wild and wacky, everything goes and pandering tone in the first episode, so this is just for people who like lewd or gag stuff or are Higurashi diehards. Just skip it if not." It's not supposed to be canon and doesn't even remotely try to present itself as such, is mainly fanservice, comedy, and parody of the main series and of other cliches/tropes and genres of anime. I rated it a "3" initially, but I then later bumped it up to a 4 on the scale. If I revisit it again, whether in six weeks or six years' time, I could bump it up again relative to the newer seasons, considering I gave Gou a 5. The last episode focusing on Rika and Hanyuu's relationship with a bit more mixed sweet and somber tone always gets me and partially redeems the season/OVA in my eyes. I have no idea as of now what I'll rate Sotsu. But as things stand right now I feel like I'll have to extend a lower rating to it than Gou, because I was not a fan of so many aspects of Gou but it simply had more substantive content, and not even because of the episode count. The Sotsu episodes were largely wasted in several different ways. So maybe a 4? I can't say and judge definitively until it's fully and officially over. But even though I'm not their ideal target audience (firstly owing to not being a Japanese citizen or resident, secondly watching by "other means"), I haven't tuned out I think because like a lot of the old guard fans of the original seasons of the anime (Studio DEEN's seasons), the VN, manga, or all of them, I simply feel compelled to keep watching because Higurashi is a 10/10 Top 5 series for me. Let's be real - I would be watching even after the series hit rock bottom. Even if it was just a series of vignettes of Rena shopping. In a way, that does make you feel kind of foolish and strung along for being addicted to the universe. I honestly don't know who, between the veteran fans and the new fans, who they made more a fool of with the content vacuum. |
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