Some criticisms of WEP so far and your thoughts on it. (SPOILERS)

Feb 3, 2021 8:00 PM

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I have nothing to say about the first issue. While the petrification does not necessarily harm your body, being a fantasy concept, Ai getting thrown in the forest is indeed a strange case. As for the second, maybe the obsession itself, like as a whole, is the trauma? Then the similarly obsessed fan would be a perfect personification.

Feb 3, 2021 9:05 PM

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I think Ai getting thrown around the forest might not have affected her in the real world because it wasn't her dream she was in for that. As for Rika getting petrified, I think it didn't seem to have any affect on her in the real world because it was kind of similar to Ai getting the goo in her eyes in episode 2, in that it wasn't an actual injury, but a status caused by the Wonder Killer.

Feb 3, 2021 11:21 PM

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Maybe it's not a fault of the show, and I overlooked something, but can someone explain about the place from where they're buying eggs? It's obviously real because Ohto got to know other girls irl due to their connections with the egg. Now if such a place exists irl, why doesn't anyone know about that place and how did Ohto come to know about it? And Acca and the other guy doesn't seem like normal persons So, what are they? How can they exist irl?

Feb 4, 2021 12:34 AM

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Imo petrification doesn't harm your body might be the case and as for ohoto ai being thrown away, she just experienced pain and didn't bleed. So maybe you don't feel pain but you have injuries as in first ep and second ep they had visible injuries and fell unconcious instead of feeling the pain. I guess that will be better reasoning as of now. And for suicide thing, the girls were obsessed with the singer but there was no trauma of as such. It was a obsession so I don't think they wanted to harm(idk what they actually want tbh just using a word here) the person who they are obsessed with but instead the person responsible for it.

Feb 4, 2021 12:42 AM

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Sb98 said:
Maybe it's not a fault of the show, and I overlooked something, but can someone explain about the place from where they're buying eggs? It's obviously real because Ohto got to know other girls irl due to their connections with the egg. Now if such a place exists irl, why doesn't anyone know about that place and how did Ohto come to know about it? And Acca and the other guy doesn't seem like normal persons So, what are they? How can they exist irl?

you just have to buy an egg imo at least for what we have been shown.

Feb 4, 2021 12:47 AM

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I think the girls injuries could be correlated with their mental states, depending on the mental state the girls have the injuries, specifically minor ones translate or not to the real world. I also think that their fights in the dream world are helping them develop in the real world.

Feb 4, 2021 3:49 AM

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Dracus said:
I have nothing to say about the first issue. While the petrification does not necessarily harm your body, being a fantasy concept, Ai getting thrown in the forest is indeed a strange case. As for the second, maybe the obsession itself, like as a whole, is the trauma? Then the similarly obsessed fan would be a perfect personification.

That's a really interesting take. From that perspective, its certainly a really good representation of the trauma

Feb 4, 2021 4:14 AM

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BeatImsoniac said:
I think the girls injuries could be correlated with their mental states, depending on the mental state the girls have the injuries, specifically minor ones translate or not to the real world. I also think that their fights in the dream world are helping them develop in the real world.

I'll test this theory in the coming episodes.

Feb 4, 2021 4:18 AM

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_hachi8man said:
Imo petrification doesn't harm your body might be the case and as for ohoto ai being thrown away, she just experienced pain and didn't bleed. So maybe you don't feel pain but you have injuries as in first ep and second ep they had visible injuries and fell unconcious instead of feeling the pain. I guess that will be better reasoning as of now. And for suicide thing, the girls were obsessed with the singer but there was no trauma of as such. It was a obsession so I don't think they wanted to harm(idk what they actually want tbh just using a word here) the person who they are obsessed with but instead the person responsible for it.

Although it is a narrative cheapshot in my opinion, this is probably the explanation we'll have to go with (for Rika's well-being after being petrified i mean).
However, Ai got thrown trough a pretty thick tree stem, so I'd imagine that that'd count as slightly more than a minor injury.

Feb 4, 2021 4:21 AM

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kenjir0u said:

_hachi8man said:
Imo petrification doesn't harm your body might be the case and as for ohoto ai being thrown away, she just experienced pain and didn't bleed. So maybe you don't feel pain but you have injuries as in first ep and second ep they had visible injuries and fell unconcious instead of feeling the pain. I guess that will be better reasoning as of now. And for suicide thing, the girls were obsessed with the singer but there was no trauma of as such. It was a obsession so I don't think they wanted to harm(idk what they actually want tbh just using a word here) the person who they are obsessed with but instead the person responsible for it.

Although it is a narrative cheapshot in my opinion, this is probably the explanation we'll have to go with (for Rika's well-being after being petrified i mean).
However, Ai got thrown trough a pretty thick tree stem, so I'd imagine that that'd count as slightly more than a minor injury.

i didn't mean minor injury. I mean it was not a visible I injury like bleeding rather it was a internal injury so it didn't effect her in the real world. I mean it's still s theory but yea

Feb 4, 2021 4:30 AM

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_hachi8man said:

kenjir0u said:

Although it is a narrative cheapshot in my opinion, this is probably the explanation we'll have to go with (for Rika's well-being after being petrified i mean).
However, Ai got thrown trough a pretty thick tree stem, so I'd imagine that that'd count as slightly more than a minor injury.

i didn't mean minor injury. I mean it was not a visible I injury like bleeding rather it was a internal injury so it didn't effect her in the real world. I mean it's still s theory but yea

Well, as mentioned in my post, in episode 2 something really similiar happens (I think she gets thrown against a wall or sth.) and that causes an inury in real life. So I'm not on board with this theory.
The correlation of mental fragility in the dream and injury transfer seems more plausible imo.

Feb 4, 2021 4:34 AM

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kenjir0u said:

_hachi8man said:

i didn't mean minor injury. I mean it was not a visible I injury like bleeding rather it was a internal injury so it didn't effect her in the real world. I mean it's still s theory but yea

Well, as mentioned in my post, in episode 2 something really similiar happens (I think she gets thrown against a wall or sth.) and that causes an inury in real life. So I'm not on board with this theory.
The correlation of mental fragility in the dream and injury transfer seems more plausible imo.

fair enough, my bad for misleading. I forgot about that scene. I have new theory which I just thought and fits well. Maybe, since it was Rika's world ohto ai was not affected in that dream. How about this one? I mean I cantt think of something else tbh

Feb 4, 2021 4:47 AM

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_hachi8man said:

kenjir0u said:

Well, as mentioned in my post, in episode 2 something really similiar happens (I think she gets thrown against a wall or sth.) and that causes an inury in real life. So I'm not on board with this theory.
The correlation of mental fragility in the dream and injury transfer seems more plausible imo.

fair enough, my bad for misleading. I forgot about that scene. I have new theory which I just thought and fits well. Maybe, since it was Rika's world ohto ai was not affected in that dream. How about this one? I mean I cantt think of something else tbh

No need to apologize man. And yeah, your theory is also plausible afaik. I'll put it to the test next to the mental-state-theory in upcoming episodes. Let's see how it goes :D

Feb 4, 2021 5:03 AM

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My takes on your criticisms:

1. I think this is consistent. By episode 2, they've already shown multiple clips of the girls spending time in the hospital or requiring medical help that it's already set in the viewer's mind about how the injuries are transferred. In ep 3, they show Neiru shortening her rehab time because of her physical abilities. I interpreted that as - the more time you spend gathering battle experiences from dreams, that also translates to your body IRL. If injuries transfer, wouldn't this transfer too? Ai getting thrown around in the forest would require lesser time in the hospital compared to her first fight as her body has adapted over time. Of course, fatal injuries like being stabbed in their vital points would result in death. They're probably skipping hospital recovery sequences to further the plot.

2. I don't think the singer should appear as their trauma. The world would probably view the singer being the threat to the lives of the fans, but for the fans itself - they died showing their dedication. I think how dedicated they are would be the trauma. Hence, the stalker killer. We know in fandom culture, showing your dedication = being a "real" fan. This of course is toxic but also the main reason for fandom wars. Who's the better fan or Who's worthy of being a fan and other such conversations. Fanbases contributes to deaths not the artist. It's this desire to prove themselves to their idol which arrives because of fandom culture to begin with. Anyway, the fact that they resolved the matter with the stalker killer by playing a song by the artist and saying stuff about how a real fan wouldn't interrupt the song or something. This aligns with my theory. I know this might be a reach but I know how passionate people can be, look at the waifu wars....

As for my own criticisms, I think the conversation about gender identity and eggs was a bit off. The gendered motivations of suicide vs. the "don't be judgemental" comment they made. I don't get the contradiction, maybe they'll explain it a bit more in the upcoming episodes

Feb 4, 2021 6:55 AM

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kenjir0u said:
Before I get barraged by people attacking me for voicing some criticisms on WEP, I'd like to say that i actually like it a lot and have some decently high expectations for its coming episodes.

However, there is one problem that has been bothering me quite a bit: The rules that were set up for the dream world (or they were at least heavily implied) are not consistently adhered to.

Example 1: Transfer of injuries from the dream world to the real world.

The first episode (probably the best anime episode I've seen in a year) made it very clear, that a main threat in the dream world is the transfer of injuries onto the real bodies of the characters (e.G. Ai in episode 1 and 2, Neiru in episode 2). But this does not consistently happen. In episode 4, Ai gets thrown around the forest and it is not even implied that she was injured in the real world, although the same thing happens in episode 2 and causes an injury. Rika gets petrified at the end of episode 3 and suffers no real consequences from it in episode 4. And this is actually a big deal, because now, the suspense of the battles is undermined by the lack of consequences of injuries, sometimes.

Example 2: The meaning of the physical form of the Wonder Egg Killers.

Wonder Egg Killers are a physical representation of the trauma that caused an egg girl to commit suicide. And this is the case for the most part, but in episode 3, the Wonder Egg Killer is a stalker of the singer, whose suicide motivated them to commit it as well. Thematically, this doesn't really make sense to me as the singer should probably be the Killer, considering that his death directly caused their death.

To be honest, in most shows I'd consider these criticisms as minor nitpicks, and in a way, they are.But because WEP presents itself as a show that rewards viewers who pay attention to the details (e.g. shot composition, flower symbolism) these inconsistencies are just really annoying to me.

This is where I'd like to ask you guys. I am pretty curious what you guys think of this and if it is or isn't a problem to you.

Edit 1: I wrote episode 3 instead of 4.

Edit 2: After getting some plausible explanations for the stalker Wonder Egg Killer, I'm somewhat willing to back down on Example 2.

1) in episode 4 Neiru tells to Ai that the reason she recovered so quickly is caused by the dead girls being saved. Maybe the same concept works for Rika, saving two girls at the same time didn't hurt her that much, since becoming stone isn't painful at all

2) Maybe the reason why the singer killed himself is because of that stalker lady, so that's why she is rappresenting their trauma instead of the singer

Feb 4, 2021 4:08 PM

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1. No blood, no injury is transfered.

I thought the way the plot suddenly starts to ignore the consequences of the fights almost a plot hole, but if we pay attention on episode 1, the only where we see the injury in the dream and the same injury in RL, there was blood, it was deep. So i guess this is the kind of injury that matters.

Let's wait for some girl to get impaled, then we can be sure. :/

2. Actually that stupid fanatic fans had not any trauma causing their suicide.

They choose suicide for the empyt head they are, except for the addiction. So, closest to be the "villain" of their suicide, was theirself. I guess the monster being another stalker fan was not so wrong.

Feb 4, 2021 4:10 PM

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I honestly just think this is nitpicking

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Feb 4, 2021 4:48 PM

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kenjir0u said:
Before I get barraged by people attacking me for voicing some criticisms on WEP, I'd like to say that i actually like it a lot and have some decently high expectations for its coming episodes.

However, there is one problem that has been bothering me quite a bit: The rules that were set up for the dream world (or they were at least heavily implied) are not consistently adhered to.

Example 1: Transfer of injuries from the dream world to the real world.

The first episode (probably the best anime episode I've seen in a year) made it very clear, that a main threat in the dream world is the transfer of injuries onto the real bodies of the characters (e.G. Ai in episode 1 and 2, Neiru in episode 2). But this does not consistently happen. In episode 4, Ai gets thrown around the forest and it is not even implied that she was injured in the real world, although the same thing happens in episode 2 and causes an injury. Rika gets petrified at the end of episode 3 and suffers no real consequences from it in episode 4. And this is actually a big deal, because now, the suspense of the battles is undermined by the lack of consequences of injuries, sometimes.

Example 2: The meaning of the physical form of the Wonder Egg Killers.

Wonder Egg Killers are a physical representation of the trauma that caused an egg girl to commit suicide. And this is the case for the most part, but in episode 3, the Wonder Egg Killer is a stalker of the singer, whose suicide motivated them to commit it as well. Thematically, this doesn't really make sense to me as the singer should probably be the Killer, considering that his death directly caused their death.

To be honest, in most shows I'd consider these criticisms as minor nitpicks, and in a way, they are.But because WEP presents itself as a show that rewards viewers who pay attention to the details (e.g. shot composition, flower symbolism) these inconsistencies are just really annoying to me.

This is where I'd like to ask you guys. I am pretty curious what you guys think of this and if it is or isn't a problem to you.

Edit 1: I wrote episode 3 instead of 4.

Edit 2: After getting some plausible explanations for the stalker Wonder Egg Killer, I'm somewhat willing to back down on Example 2.

For the second example, I think it may have been the toxic fan that might've drove the singer to suicide, then leading to those two fan girls following in suit. That would explain why the trauma isn't the singer exactly.

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