| The fact that there are many different anime for anyone is already satisfying in itself. I think anime would definitely get worse if it stopped being creative and only catered to a specific audience such as shounen fans. But it's not and it's a really good thing. Sure, we can't have a deep experimental anime every season, but there are still some being produced once in a while and it is worth acknowledging. But anyway the answer to this thread is always the same and it is that people don't dig deeper or don't seem to understand their own taste. |
| People who say that old anime were good would name 4-5 anime out of a span of like 10-20 years. The same NGE, Logh, Cowboy bebop and a few others. That's the amount of great shows we get now in a year. You decide. |
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rogedavi said: Yes it gets worse and worse... and I never get the argument that the art style is improving. It really isnt at all - digital rendering vs hand drawn is not an improvement its just a time saver. Just compare any Ghibli movie to say the latest hype anime I dunno ReZero or something and its not even close. Modern anime most of the time 99% of the frame is static and just the characters mouths are moving. When you look at something like Ghibli or Akira there is so much movement so much going on in a frame you just dont get that anymore. It depends on who is comparing. I don't think any Ghibli movie that I saw comes close to Re zero. To me, every Ghibli movie looks like watching a Disney movie or in other words a kids show. |
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| Golden years were 80s-90s. With 00s as the Silver Age. Anime after 2010 has been getting worse and worse each year. There are still a few good things coming each season but other things are incredibly bad. Remember those times when Mars of Destruction was considered the worst anime ever and how unique it was at that aspect? Now at least half of anime each season is Mars of Destruction. |
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| I personally think that anime has improved quite a bit qualitywise when it comes to aimation, nowadays there's at least 2-3 anime each season with great animation. Also, we are getting a ton of good sequels which was quite rare years ago. Storywise, anime has gotten worse for me. I feel like it's quite rare nowadays to discover a new anime with a unique story setting and characters. The last anime I can remember which seemed unique, was made in abyss. But then again, the reason why I feel like that, is because I have watched a lot of anime the past years and now it just feels like the same plot is getting recycled each season. |
| No, not at all. Anime is more accessible now than ever with tons of interesting shows to choose from. I just happen to prefer older anime, because that's what I grew up on. I'm thrilled for all the new fans coming into anime, because they have options that I would've never dreamed of when I was first getting into it. |
| It's going to depend entirely on your preferences in art and genre. It's impossible to put some objective standard on an entire animation industry. Anything that says x is better is going to be incredibly generalized. Zekerets said: When it comes to animation I would say yes. Studios nowadays are relying too much on CGI. There are very few studios who still use traditional 2d animation which is more aesthetically pleasing and fluid. I don't think we'll ever have classics like Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Death Note, FMAB, Code Geass or Haruhi because they were products of their time and were made when production committees were more willing to risk and invest in high quality shows and original ideas. By what definition are those original? Code Geass and FMAB handle war and a lot of topics around it like many Japanese writers and creators. It's not that different than MSG 0079 made decades ago. Death Note is just a classic crime drama with supernatural elements. Will give you Haruhi did set a lot up for later SOL titles. Bebop has tons of influences from Western media so somewhat unique but to say it's original is a stretch. Anyway CG has it's ups and downs but acting like it is some curse on the industry is equally wrong. You can look at some visually impressive shows like Violet Evergarden and there is quite a bit of CG in the effects, AOT wasn't able to do it's 3D gear scenes without it (I am talking about the backgrounds under WIT not what MAPPA has done) as well as Ufotable's work. The problem isn't CG it's rushed production schedules and a lack of animators and that could be a future problem industry wide. Still it can do a lot for visual quality when the intent isn't just to save time or they don't have the talent. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 28, 2021 4:22 PM
rogedavi said: Yes it gets worse and worse... and I never get the argument that the art style is improving. It really isnt at all - digital rendering vs hand drawn is not an improvement its just a time saver. Just compare any Ghibli movie to say the latest hype anime I dunno ReZero or something and its not even close. Modern anime most of the time 99% of the frame is static and just the characters mouths are moving. When you look at something like Ghibli or Akira there is so much movement so much going on in a frame you just dont get that anymore. How is it fair to compare movie level productions to a TV anime? Depending on where you say old anime starts you go back to shows like Ashita no Joe S1, Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 and Rose of Versailes and while I like the art style the amount of still frames, reused shots would annoy fans today. Plus again even in say the 90's shows TV anime like Slayers were hardly impressive in their animations, stills. animation errors etc. Some OVAs sure have impressive animation but to say the standard of TV animation was stuff like Ghilbi is a massive stretch in my opinion. Mob Psycho 100's animation is incredibly impressive and S2 only came out 2 years ago. It's easy to cherrypick. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 28, 2021 4:24 PM
BilboBaggins365 said: By what definition are those original? prob meant original in the sense that the studio came up with their own story whereas most anime is adapted from a manga/novel |
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| sure not they are getting better I guess in my opinion |
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Kuxu said: Mr_Srijan said: It depends on who is comparing. I don't think any Ghibli movie that I saw comes close to Re zero. To me, every Ghibli movie looks like watching a Disney movie or in other words a kids show. True. No Ghibli movie comes close to ReZero. They're far above. ReZero has a very original idea... and that's it. The characters range from shallow to obnoxious. The main female lead is only a pretty doll, the relations between characters don't make sense. ReZero is an interesting anime, because of its main concept, but it plays far below the top league. If you were comparing Attack On Titan with Ghibli, that'd be fair. They have different styles, but they're both top notch. ReZero is way below. Again bro, like I said before, it depends on who is comparing. IMO, All the Ghibli movie characters are very basic and don't seem to have any character depth. The only thing going for the movies is it's plot. And like i said before, the plot feels straight outta a Disney movie or in other words , a kids show. As for AoT, I don't think even that is equal to the Re Zero in terms of character depth. Till now the only impressive character in the entire show was Erwin (and now Eren).But , Aot has one hell of a plot so yeah... |
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Kuxu said: Mr_Srijan said: Again bro, like I said before, it depends on who is comparing. IMO, All the Ghibli movie characters are very basic and don't seem to have any character depth. The only thing going for the movies is it's plot. And like i said before, the plot feels straight outta a Disney movie or in other words , a kids show. As for AoT, I don't think even that is equal to the Re Zero in terms of character depth. Till now the only impressive character in the entire show was Erwin (and now Eren).But , Aot has one hell of a plot so yeah... Not every anime needs to be a psychological study of characters, but they should at least feel real, to be believable. When Miyazaki said that anime creators should get out of their room and observe people, that was he meant. AoT characters are sometimes a bit exaggerated (which is quite common in anime), but they feel real enough, and what's more important: the relationships between them are credible and extremely well developed, not to say the layers of political drama involved. On the contrary, in ReZero the characters are mediocre and the relationships feel completely random. "AoT characters feel real enough" - Yeah, if you think the most cliche anime characters are real. We have got completely one dimensional characters who are nothing but OP or characters who are there just to create a little comedy here and there. Other characters don't have enough screen time to be developed. As for Re zero, it is a show that revolves around the psychological study of characters. Each and every character is developed on different levels. You are comparing a plot focused anime to a character focused anime and saying that - hey, that feels real, this does not. |
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| No. You are just getting old. Hhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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Kuxu said: Mr_Srijan said: As for Re zero, it is a show that revolves around the psychological study of characters. Each and every character is developed on different levels. You are comparing a plot focused anime to a character focused anime and saying that - hey, that feels real, this does not. ReZero a psychological study of characters??? Is that a joke???? The concept is very interesting, and they writer knows how maintain tension. But the characters are just random puppets. If ReZero is a psychological study of characters, then Ingmar Bergman was an action movie director. Oh yes, my friend. When 90% of each episode is spent on constant interaction between two characters and different aspect of those characters are explored through these interactions in different ways - then that is psychological study of characters. Do you know how much time in the second season has been spent on this? "Characters are random puppets" - Bullshit much? A few moments ago you were talking about how Aot characters felt real to you. Now you say Re zero characters are random puppets? You mean if the creators make the character a bit complex - then they become random puppets?? That's some high level shit right there. |
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| Nope it isn't getting worse. Yea 2020 wasn't the best year in terms of Anime because of obvious reasons but it is just an exception. There'll always be people who are stuck in the past and are afraid of change. Anime is getting better and better |
| Nope. It's like a fandom; the more people in it, the more cancerous people inside that fandom. The more anime there is, the more anime people will regard as trash. I think this is what happened to genres like Isekai and Fantasy.  |
Sore wa chigau yo! - Junko Enoshima, probably |
Kuxu said: I didn't know PornHub could be considered a website specialized in psychological study of characters! 🤣 Still better than Aot whose characters felt "real enough".... 😁 |
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| I feel more like they're just choosing wrong manga. There's too many good manga that hasn't recieved an anime adaption. It kinda makes me sad. Edit: _Maneki-Neko_ said: CrimsonMidnight said: not as disgusting as this one as far as i know. most rapey anime are hentai which is fine bcs its porn anyways. last time it was ishuzoku reviewers and now we actually got something worse lul Yes! But I'm also bothered with rape porn. They could do vanilla hentai for all I care, I even want more high quality good, nice ones lol but rape porn is some disgusting shit and I swear there are so many edgelords, who just like to see other people "triggered". About topic: yes and no. There are still many great anime or pretty good ones in production, but the amount of shitty isekais really gets out of hand. I also agree about isekai anime. It feels like the writers are just getting too lazy to think some decent story. I just don't want to see trucks anymore. Sure there's some decent isekais but there's just not too many. |
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gamer_ said: BilboBaggins365 said: By what definition are those original? prob meant original in the sense that the studio came up with their own story whereas most anime is adapted from a manga/novel Well he used series that were adapted from novels/manga so again I didn't see how that was talking about anime originals only. Though fair that seems to be the intent. Zekerets said: Well, by original I meant original IPs like Code Geass, Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop and Gurren Lagann which you don't see a lot nowadays. Death Note would have never been adapted today with such faithfulness and quality by any studio. It's not as if the source material was selling like crazy and demanded an adaptation back then but Madhouse back then was willing to faithfully adapt manga with more serious tone like Monster or Death Note and so were other studios. The way Haruhi was adapted with such high production value and pulling stunts like the Endless Eight, you won't see any anime doing this kind of thing anymore. As for FMAB, the fact that it is a full adaptation start from finish in one go and extremely faithful, yeah it will never be replicated again. Except again in my original response you used Death Note, FMAB and Haruhi which are not original IPs. Why wouldn't DN be adapted as faithful or with the same quality? Death Note also got an anime in 2006 the year it outsold One Piece and was the biggest manga at the time. What do you mean "it's not as if the source material was selling like crazy and demanded an adaption back then"? Literally one of the biggest manga at the time. Unless this is just sarcasm but I fail to see the point of your comment then. Thirdly we literally have Pluto in production by M2 which is Masao Maruyama's new passion project studio. So there you go there is another Urasawa manga getting produced by a studio founded by one of the OG Madhouse guys. It's still confirmed as a few months ago Urasawa said he was working on an anime. Series like Vinland Saga, AOT, Shōwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjū are not serious? Again cherry picking which is so common in these threads. Stuff like Monster wasn't the norm then either. There is a reason people keep going to the same handful of titles. Sure Haruhi has high production values so does most Kyoto Animation works and to be fair the tragedy they suffered is going to impact them. Will see how the new Dragon Maid season comes out but it's partially also their practices that lead to high quality anime. Finally I don't see how Endless Eight was a good thing. I guess it was "unique" goes to show unique isn't always a good thing. Also literally Fruit's Basket got readapted Brotherhood style. The original 03 version went the anime original way and a lot of series today that are popular like FMA do get full adaptions. Finally again literally last year plenty of notable anime originals like Great Pretender, Deca Dence, Akudama Drive etc that got praise from fans. There are original titles out there they just tend to get less attention compared to x big manga. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 29, 2021 12:24 PM
| No I don't think so, this season alone I find quite refreshing. Depends what you like |
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Kuxu said: Mr_Srijan said: Again bro, like I said before, it depends on who is comparing. IMO, All the Ghibli movie characters are very basic and don't seem to have any character depth. The only thing going for the movies is it's plot. And like i said before, the plot feels straight outta a Disney movie or in other words , a kids show. As for AoT, I don't think even that is equal to the Re Zero in terms of character depth. Till now the only impressive character in the entire show was Erwin (and now Eren).But , Aot has one hell of a plot so yeah... Not every anime needs to be a psychological study of characters, but they should at least feel real, to be believable. When Miyazaki said that anime creators should get out of their room and observe people, that was he meant. AoT characters are sometimes a bit exaggerated (which is quite common in anime), but they feel real enough, and what's more important: the relationships between them are credible and extremely well developed, not to say the layers of political drama involved. On the contrary, in ReZero the characters are mediocre and the relationships feel completely random. The problem is that it is debatable on what constitutes as "real". Real is impacted by your own experiences and you just have other factors like how the person was raised, cultural differences etc. Say something like they don't feel real is like saying something is generic to me. You would have to explain why x isn't real. Secondly you would then have to explain why this lack of believability hurts the overall narrative. Some series benefit from a lack of reality. It's way too vague a critique if a critique at all. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 29, 2021 12:25 PM
gamer_ said: the "golden" years of anime. I notice you don't specify what years those were. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| @lucifrost person in question used it in context of 2007-2009, but here, it could be interpreted generally as 'the past' |
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MinorTatu said: I for one don't enjoy anime as much as I used to. When I got tired of shounen I started other genres like comedy and things more seineny. But it's hard to find good ones for these. There must be like, 3/4 actually funny comedy anime, and most of the seineny I would've liked to try Berserk, Vagabond, Kingdom, are manga only I believe. But yeah I've oversaturated myself to anime. I am watching Monster rn though If your list is reflective there is a lot more you could be checking out. As you admit what you have seen fits into a few genres. I don't think everyone needs to be into every genre like me but it does wonders in keeping you interested in the medium. I always suggest to try something from every genre even if you initially wouldn't have been interested in it. Though you eventually go through cycles of being jaded and interested again with hobby I find. If you feel bored though breaks still are the best way to fix that. |
| Depends on what worse means to you. To me worse is if the anime are low quality, lazy dialogue and repetitive story when compared to ten other anime series. If people simply liked anime from previous decades more than the 2010s and the current decade. Then those people are closed-minded and lazy. Since they don't even look for anime that they might like in the present and only care about the past. |
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| Yes, anime is getting worse. But that's due to the intellect of the watchers also getting worse. |
| An admin's dickhead Soul banned me from MAL t('v't) |
| To give a more detailed and personal answer, I created a graph that reflects my perceived value of anime over time. I grouped years into 5 year segments to show an overall trend. My method of assigning value is to add points only for worthwhile anime, and to ignore all others, with more weight given to higher quality shows. I suspect anyone that has journeyed through older anime releases will have noticed the surge of major releases in the late 70s, late 80s, and late 90s. The graph of course reflects these influxes, and personally I find these to be times of great artistic advancement and aesthetic beauty. The 00s are much more difficult to analyze because of the huge increase in volume, but I also find this to be the most rewarding period to explore due to the overall increase in variety and creativity. As we progress to the modern era, I feel it's very clear that anime is on the decline. But it's not all doom and gloom, there are still plenty of good shows to discover, the real issue is that studios are playing it safer and anime of top quality are exceedingly rare as a result. |
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| It's the same; back then, there was a lot of bad anime, just like now, but they have all been forgotten. I don't know if the anime got worse or better because I only watched old anime that was good or popular. I think the number of good anime then and now is the same. |
Zekerets said: BilboBaggins365 said: Well he used series that were adapted from novels/manga so again I didn't see how that was talking about anime originals only. Though fair that seems to be the intent. Except again in my original response you used Death Note, FMAB and Haruhi which are not original IPs. Why wouldn't DN be adapted as faithful or with the same quality? Death Note also got an anime in 2006 the year it outsold One Piece and was the biggest manga at the time. What do you mean "it's not as if the source material was selling like crazy and demanded an adaption back then"? Literally one of the biggest manga at the time. Unless this is just sarcasm but I fail to see the point of your comment then. Thirdly we literally have Pluto in production by M2 which is Masao Maruyama's new passion project studio. So there you go there is another Urasawa manga getting produced by a studio founded by one of the OG Madhouse guys. It's still confirmed as a few months ago Urasawa said he was working on an anime. Series like Vinland Saga, AOT, Shōwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjū are not serious? Again cherry picking which is so common in these threads. Stuff like Monster wasn't the norm then either. There is a reason people keep going to the same handful of titles. Sure Haruhi has high production values so does most Kyoto Animation works and to be fair the tragedy they suffered is going to impact them. Will see how the new Dragon Maid season comes out but it's partially also their practices that lead to high quality anime. Finally I don't see how Endless Eight was a good thing. I guess it was "unique" goes to show unique isn't always a good thing. Also literally Fruit's Basket got readapted Brotherhood style. The original 03 version went the anime original way and a lot of series today that are popular like FMA do get full adaptions. Finally again literally last year plenty of notable anime originals like Great Pretender, Deca Dence, Akudama Drive etc that got praise from fans. There are original titles out there they just tend to get less attention compared to x big manga. Death Note became really popular only after the anime started airing. Did you honestly compare Fruits Baket to FMAB? Endless Eight was not fun at all but the idea is that studios back then were willing take risks to get their point across and endless eight is one of the most meta things I have ever seen in any medium. There are still anime originals around but they don't compare to stuff like Evangelion, Bebop, Gurren Lagann, Ergo Proxy, Samurai Champloo, Code Geass, Angel Beats, FLCL, Darker than Black, Gankutsuou, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Eureka Seven or batshit insane stuff like Paranoia Agent, Serial Experiments Lain or Texhnolyze. The only really notable originals released this past decade were Madoka, Psycho Pass, Yuri on Ice, Kill la Kill and Anohana. It's funny you mention AoT while they are currently butchering it with shit cheap CGI, the anime industry is in such a shit state that everything is going to become CG. So like any anime adaption it improved sales? Even in 2005 the manga volume 6 was number 15 only beaten about by Berserk, Vagabond, FMA, Hunter x Hunter, One Piece and Nana. It was not an unknown manga before it got adapted. What you said was factually wrong. You also ignored my point on Monster and Pluto. My point stands serious stories do get made today. Also again everything was not like many of these famous classics that get upheld from that period. Secondly yeah they were two series that had anime go in different directions eventually with studios coming back to fully adapt the series properly. Third no it's just dumb. They slaughtered the point of a groundhog day storyline. Unfortunate too because Haruhi was pretty good outside of that arc. They could have adapted more interesting stories with the second season. Four you are listing anime that came out between 1996 and 2005 over 9 years that is huge swath of time. You also just ignore some of those originals I mentioned despite high reviews. They weren't paid attention to as much but if anything that just shows why source material adaptions are popular. Fans of the source draw attention to upcoming adaptions. I will give you at least sure there is more dependency on source material. That said I would argue while studios are worried about risk fans are the ones often supporting mainly source material adaptions instead of checking out lesser known originals. Finally CG issues came from AOT having a terrible production schedule which it always has had since S1. The anime industry in general has operated poorly like this. Compare that to some of the sakuga I have seen for JJK. Or look at some highlights of the last decade like MP 100 and Your Name. Sure animator shortage could become a problem though it is resulting from practices that go decades back. The success ironically is taxing the limit of talent out there. Though to say all anime is going to CG totally is kinda ridiculous considering what is popular and what big studios are doing. It ignores there are benefits to it since you brought up AOT before MAPPA I assume you enjoyed WIT's 3D gear scenes. It also ignores how often many pure hand drawn TV animation had errors or a lot of still animation and sure I would prefer that over CG but often people ignore some of the issues of the past. I just want people to stop creating some utopia out of different eras when it just doesn't exist. |
BilboBaggins365Jan 30, 2021 1:58 PM
| Nah anime is getting better but maybe originality is becoming bleak these days. |
| "Is anime getting worse?" Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. But there's still hope, I guess. |
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| Is anime getting worse? lol, yes in terms of money, business is booming, although a lot of don't like the isekais, they are going to making them cause they make money Anime diminishes in quality but their bank account is booming, "so just cry to a minimum" - All top anime studios |
| I am a Completionist. All Anime/Manga will be Watched/Read. All FILLERS will be enjoyed :) I WATCH & READ THE LOWEST SCORED/RATED/RANKED ANIMES/MANGA ON MAL. Join my discord - https://discord.gg/nJZwjbDr :) |
| Quality-wise it’s getting worse. 2024 is a weak year overall for anime. However, contrary to what the critics believe, we still at least get a few good anime each year. This year we got Look Back and Dungeon Meshi for instance. |
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