LynxCaroli said: Huh... Just about the EXACT words non-anime fans used to say about anime fans.Immahnoob said: I don't know why it's a difficult concept. Human beings don't always act based on sense. Something not mattering from an objective point of view because of how the system is implemented in the first place, won't suddenly have all human beings capable of rational thought act in the same manner... Duh? I mean, it's a good point considering all of these people seem to be 12 year olds without the capacity of thinking by themselves, but that doesn't make it any less stupid... You know, you're not any better of an anime fan than the typical Nux subscriber. I don't know why you think you are. |
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Reshiram_IX said: I made myself pretty clear. The rating system was always meant to be arbitrary, and everyone's reasons for rating something will always be arbitrary and based on their subjectivity. Immahnoob said: What are you even trying to say? He told his followers to rate a show 10/10 and they all did just that. I don't see any of his followers giving it a 9/10, 8/10, and etc. +15,000 people gave it a 10/10 cause they were told to by someone they look up toIs there? Because whatever "arbitrary reason" you had to give an "arbitrary rating" to something doesn't really say much. What will you do when someone barely watched episode 1 or like 5 minutes of it, dropped it and rated it a 1? Is he a troll? How will you differentiate then? Oh, I see, "true anime fans" keep on updating their list or something, we can't possibly have people that only watched this anime, that would be ridiculous. Whatever system will be implemented to combat "brigading" will never work. |
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LynxCaroli said: "Stupid" doesn't make someone's rating invalid. Immahnoob said: I don't know why it's a difficult concept. Human beings don't always act based on sense. Something not mattering from an objective point of view because of how the system is implemented in the first place, won't suddenly have all human beings capable of rational thought act in the same manner... Duh? I mean, it's a good point considering all of these people seem to be 12 year olds without the capacity of thinking by themselves, but that doesn't make it any less stupid... |
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jal90 said: But you keep replying to the things you say you are "tired" of. Makes me think you're a masochist.Sarteck said: No, I get that, you can do what you want, but it seems like you're trying to irritate yourself if you keep claiming you're "wasting your time" here. Uhm, no, I really do post whenever I want, I didn't want to engage in a discussion about objectivity of ratings I had before with another user, really, that's it. |
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| Can a mod please delete this cancer of a thread? To: Whoever thinks MAL score is not relevant anymore. I ask you this: Give me the name of one movie/anime-related site that has this many users that has a more relevant score than MAL? Answer:You can't. |
emdosis said: Because no matter where you go, the rating isn't relevant.Can a mod please delete this cancer of a thread? To: Whoever thinks MAL score is not relevant anymore. I ask you this: Give me the name of one movie/anime-related site that has this many users that has a more relevant score than MAL? Answer:You can't. It's an universal thing, it's not a MAL thing. Theleux said: And what does that mean? Me having a history with people here means that my stance is invalid? This isn't how any of this works. Glad you are getting a knock out of this! I should have noticed the signature early tbh. |
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Kobayasan said: MAL score was never relevant 14 pages of nonsense, and this person is the only one spitting out the cold hard facts. |
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emdosis said: Uh, I guess you haven't read most of the comments...Can a mod please delete this cancer of a thread? To: Whoever thinks MAL score is not relevant anymore. I ask you this: Give me the name of one movie/anime-related site that has this many users that has a more relevant score than MAL? Answer:You can't. It wasn't "MAL's scoring is more irrelevant than other sites." It was people saying "score is irrelevant, period." If you can't find a post where someone was arguing that MAL's scoring system as just inferior compared to some other site, I apologize, but I haven't seen any post like that. |
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Immahnoob said: Me having a history with people here means that my stance is invalid? This isn't how any of this works. I don't think you understand. If you've been an active member of MAL, your vote/opinion doesn't coun--- wait, erm... Crap, we went reverse with this one. |
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| Well, unfortunately he's wrong Making accounts for the sole purpose of up/downvoting one or a few entries is against the rules, regardless of whether they were created manually or by a bot script. They are equally malicious either way, and historically speaking such accounts have also been deleted |
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LynxCaroli said: And I'm telling you the exact opposite. Even if they were told by an 8-ball to rate the show a 6, their rating isn't invalid. Immahnoob said: "Stupid" doesn't make someone's rating invalid. I think you're not getting what I'm trying to say. Sorry if I didn't explained myself correctly. I don't doubt there's people who have it a 10/10 legitimately because they really liked it, and I'm not referring to those people. I'm referring to the ones who are putting a dishonest rating just because a YouTuber told them to do so. Those are the invalid ratings. The ones made by accounts created today and dedicated to downvote anything but this show. That's their reason, just like some elitist drops a show in the first 5 minutes of the first episode and then rates it a 1. |
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Immahnoob said: Because no matter where you go, the rating isn't relevant. It's an universal thing, it's not a MAL thing. So why is everybody b*tching about it then? Blame the users, not MAL. |
LynxCaroli said: I'm referring to the ones who are putting a dishonest rating just because a YouTuber told them to do so. Those are the invalid ratings. The ones made by accounts created today and dedicated to downvote anything but this show. Sorry, but being an account that was created for the purpose of upvoting this anime doesn't mean their rating is "dishonest." |
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Immahnoob said: So what your saying is that what this individual did by sending his mob of followers to brigade the site is okay? The rating system is fine. Only problem is stupid people who do things like this. Reshiram_IX said: I made myself pretty clear. The rating system was always meant to be arbitrary, and everyone's reasons for rating something will always be arbitrary and based on their subjectivity. What are you even trying to say? He told his followers to rate a show 10/10 and they all did just that. I don't see any of his followers giving it a 9/10, 8/10, and etc. +15,000 people gave it a 10/10 cause they were told to by someone they look up to What will you do when someone barely watched episode 1 or like 5 minutes of it, dropped it and rated it a 1? Is he a troll? How will you differentiate then? Oh, I see, "true anime fans" keep on updating their list or something, we can't possibly have people that only watched this anime, that would be ridiculous. Whatever system will be implemented to combat "brigading" will never work. |
| Whether MAL scores matter or not has always been a subjective thing, unless you can somehow prove that it has an objective value. A lot of people has had good experiences relying on MAL score as a recommendation on whether the anime is good or not (myself included) and thus waving things off as "MAL scores never really mattered" is really disingenuous. If you felt that it never really mattered to you, then that's fine because as I said, it's a subjective matter. But using these kinds of tactics such as vote brigading and then arguing that the scores never mattered in the first place is just you trying to sway things towards your beliefs. It's akin to an anarchist vandalizing a church in the middle of a mass and then yelling "God is dead for he has not smitten me yet". That's not going to make anyone an atheist, they're just going to try to punish you and return things to the way they were before when they could believe in what they wanted to believe. The honest reviews and ratings given by MAL community members is what is being valued here. These things do in fact have an objective value and obviously the community would want to protect it from undue interference such as bots or vote brigading. |
emdosis said: Immahnoob said: Because no matter where you go, the rating isn't relevant. It's an universal thing, it's not a MAL thing. So why is everybody b*tching about it then? Blame the users, not MAL. People on MAL referring to the experience on MAL. Shocking... |
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HaXXspetten said: Indeed, MAL has never been very good with keeping their userbase as big and as active as possible. Their "maliciousness" only comes from the rules and what MAL wants to claim is a "bot account" or a "throwaway", which doesn't necessarily make sense. Well, unfortunately he's wrong Making accounts for the sole purpose of up/downvoting one or a few entries is against the rules, regardless of whether they were created manually or by a bot script. They are equally malicious either way, and historically speaking such accounts have also been deleted Their only saving grace is that they did something first, and that their lists can't possibly be surpassed at this point. The databse is a thing too. |
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Sarteck said: No but it makes it malicious and for all intents and purposes it is just as bad as a bot. Either way whether you like it or not, it is still against the rulesLynxCaroli said: I'm referring to the ones who are putting a dishonest rating just because a YouTuber told them to do so. Those are the invalid ratings. The ones made by accounts created today and dedicated to downvote anything but this show. Sorry, but being an account that was created for the purpose of upvoting this anime doesn't mean their rating is "dishonest." |
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HaXXspetten said: Making accounts for the sole purpose of up/downvoting one or a few entries is against the rules, regardless of whether they were created manually or by a bot script. Can you point out this rule? I am not seeing it in the terms: https://myanimelist.net/about/terms_of_use |
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Reshiram_IX said: Yes, that's exactly it. I'm saying that this "supposed briganding" is just as valid of a "belief" as any other when it comes to "arbitrary ratings". Immahnoob said: So what your saying is that what this individual did by sending his mob of followers to brigade the site is okay? The rating system is fine. Only problem is stupid people who do things like this. I made myself pretty clear. The rating system was always meant to be arbitrary, and everyone's reasons for rating something will always be arbitrary and based on their subjectivity. What will you do when someone barely watched episode 1 or like 5 minutes of it, dropped it and rated it a 1? Is he a troll? How will you differentiate then? Oh, I see, "true anime fans" keep on updating their list or something, we can't possibly have people that only watched this anime, that would be ridiculous. Whatever system will be implemented to combat "brigading" will never work. Again, why are anime fans that you don't like, "stupid"? |
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HaXXspetten said: 1) No, it doesn't make it "malicious" at all. You cannot support that argument.Sarteck said: No but it makes it malicious and for all intents and purposes it is just as bad as a bot. Either way whether you like it or not, it is still against the rulesSorry, but being an account that was created for the purpose of upvoting this anime doesn't mean their rating is "dishonest." 2) No, it's not just as bad as a bot. It's a human with a different opinion than you. |
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LynxCaroli said: I ain't going to defend the downvoting. I think that's dumb. I also think it's rare.Sarteck said: Sorry, but being an account that was created for the purpose of upvoting this anime doesn't mean their rating is "dishonest." It kinda does when they're downvoting the other anime that are in the top lists. You can create to upvote what you like, but the moment you go around downvoting anything to push that anime to a higher number.... it only tells me that account was only created for the raid. |
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HaXXspetten said: Come on Haxx, you wouldn't want to be deleted now, would you? I don't think you watched any of the shows you claimed you did.Sarteck said: No but it makes it malicious and for all intents and purposes it is just as bad as a bot. Either way whether you like it or not, it is still against the rulesSorry, but being an account that was created for the purpose of upvoting this anime doesn't mean their rating is "dishonest." Maybe you weren't even paying attention to them when they were on your screen. Why did you rate them the way you did? Are you sure I'm ever going to accept any reason you give? |
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xkazutox said: I hope this doesnt goes on Twitter as: "MAL users are perverts" This platform is reaching that stage where ppl can look down on anime community if this continues. Make it stop! If IR is among the best at what it sets out to do, in an important genre of anime overall whether you accept that or not, why is that a negative thing for it to be rated highly? You don't even sound like you're upset at any supposed malicious ratings, just it being highly rated in general. |
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Immahnoob said: Cause its not their own opinion. They didn't come to the conclusion on their own that the show was 10/10. They were told by someone they look up to go and give the show a 10/10. Making the score illegitimateReshiram_IX said: Yes, that's exactly it. I'm saying that this "supposed briganding" is just as valid of a "belief" as any other when it comes to "arbitrary ratings". So what your saying is that what this individual did by sending his mob of followers to brigade the site is okay? The rating system is fine. Only problem is stupid people who do things like this. Again, why are anime fans that you don't like, "stupid"? |
Sarteck said: It's not in the terms of use, it's in the definition of Illegitimate Accounts in the thread of the same name on the support forumHaXXspetten said: Making accounts for the sole purpose of up/downvoting one or a few entries is against the rules, regardless of whether they were created manually or by a bot script. Can you point out this rule? I am not seeing it in the terms: https://myanimelist.net/about/terms_of_use |
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Reshiram_IX said: Ok, prove to me that whatever you scored in your MAL list is how you truly feel.Immahnoob said: Cause its not their own opinion. They didn't come to the conclusion on their own that the show was 10/10. They were told by someone they look up to go and give the show a 10/10. Making the score illegitimateYes, that's exactly it. I'm saying that this "supposed briganding" is just as valid of a "belief" as any other when it comes to "arbitrary ratings". Again, why are anime fans that you don't like, "stupid"? What, are you going to tell me that it's that way because you say so? I hope you won't, I want to see irrefutable proof. This is how you sound right now. Some of my scores might have changed in time, sorry for being such a troll that I didn't change them. How dare I. |
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enJ0Yable said: Maybe use MAL to keep track of anime you have watched and want to watch, and discuss it with fans. Y'know, like everyone else here with a MAL account. Just a suggestion.I'm really sad to see such a cancerous anime community. People are actually causing harm to MAL and anime itself instead of trolling Funimation with something like that... I can understand that it may be funny, but it still offends a LOT of people. By the way: why should I use MAL again if the scores were completely irrational? There is something called Microsoft Excel, which I used for long enough. And there are other sites that provide a similar experience, but with less stupid people :( (hopefully the system update mid-February will fix these issues...) And I just have to laugh at your "causing harm" comment. It's not; not to MAL, not to the anime fandom, etc. But hey, go ahead and make your spreadsheet. |
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Reshiram_IX said: Who the hell are you to tell me what my opinion is?Immahnoob said: Cause its not their own opinion. They didn't come to the conclusion on their own that the show was 10/10. They were told by someone they look up to go and give the show a 10/10. Making the score illegitimateYes, that's exactly it. I'm saying that this "supposed briganding" is just as valid of a "belief" as any other when it comes to "arbitrary ratings". Again, why are anime fans that you don't like, "stupid"? |
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| I'm sorry, but how did it work again? Did we score based on how we felt at the end of the anime, or do we change the scores depending on how we remember that anime? What do I do if I didn't watch the whole show? I'm confused. Help me guys. |
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HaXXspetten said: Sarteck said: It's not in the terms of use, it's in the definition of Illegitimate Accounts in the thread of the same name on the support forumCan you point out this rule? I am not seeing it in the terms: https://myanimelist.net/about/terms_of_use No. What is an illegitimate account? An account that is a: duplicate account used to boost/drop ratings, sway votes in club contests or for other disrupting purposes; or bot account to spam users or manipulate lists. Try again...? |
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| @Haxxspetten Man, that really hurt your argument bad. There's nowhere saying that people can't make first time accounts to rate their favorite anime. Gee, man. Ouch. |
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