What is it about Kiritsugu, that makes him more popular than even Shiro - leading hero of Fate franchise? (SPOILERS)
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Nov 15, 2018 2:12 PM
#1
First of all, in no way am I saying that number of favorites is anything more than just index of how popular something, or someone is, but I'm curious. For all intents and purposes, most MAL members have certain common pattern, they always like main characters the most, and by main, I mean, main main - for instance, Saint Seiya has multiple main characters, but Seiya is still the most main among them, and that is not just case because his name is in title. On the other hand, Ikki is still the most popular character in Saint Seiya series. Initially, Kiritsugu is more of a background character, someone from the past, and he got his show - Fate/Zero, but this is still, well, not primary series; if I'm not mistaken Fate/stay night is considered the center of the entire Nasuverse. Please discuss. Also, just side question, and I myself am not playing it, but what do you think about Assassin Kititsugu from Fate/Grand Order? Mind, I'm only asking about character, not F/GO in general. Enjoy in thread. |
Nov 15, 2018 2:13 PM
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Nov 15, 2018 2:20 PM
#3
Well, clearly we will have people who didn't read the vn shit talk on Shirou. Let's just say, on MAL, more people have seen fate/zero than any f/sn adaptation. If they did, probably Deen/stay night with adapts shirou as trash. Even the ufotable adaptations can't properly present his character. So people who didn't read vn probably like kiritsugu more. Shirou is actually an interesting character, in the vn at least. |
Nov 15, 2018 2:26 PM
#4
A. Cause he's badass and a lot of people like badass characters B. People tend to not like Shiro since he's more of a...well "brat" compared to Kiri. That and his ideals and actions tend to blow up sometimes |
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Nov 15, 2018 2:31 PM
#5
HsiuqsYgnops said: Well, clearly we will have people who didn't read the vn shit talk on Shirou. Let's just say, on MAL, more people have seen fate/zero than any f/sn adaptation. If they did, probably Deen/stay night with adapts shirou as trash. Even the ufotable adaptations can't properly present his character. So people who didn't read vn probably like kiritsugu more. Shirou is actually an interesting character, in the vn at least. girls shouldn't fight whether a servant or not - shirou VN i can't be in the same room because i'm a boy and saber is a girl - shirou VN my Infinite IQ comprehends why Ufotable cut this part of his character making him bland MC |
Nov 15, 2018 2:41 PM
#6
Phantomnocomics said: HsiuqsYgnops said: Well, clearly we will have people who didn't read the vn shit talk on Shirou. Let's just say, on MAL, more people have seen fate/zero than any f/sn adaptation. If they did, probably Deen/stay night with adapts shirou as trash. Even the ufotable adaptations can't properly present his character. So people who didn't read vn probably like kiritsugu more. Shirou is actually an interesting character, in the vn at least. girls shouldn't fight whether a servant or not - shirou VN i can't be in the same room because i'm a boy and saber is a girl - shirou VN my Infinite IQ comprehends why Ufotable cut this part of his character making him bland MC Wow fam. That's an amazing thing you just said there. I am impressed by your statement. Of course they aren't gonna include everything shirou thinks. And those thoughts aren't even that necessary in ubw anime. There's much better thoughts he's had that would make people who understand shirou's character better if they included them in the anime. And if you can think about it, there is sense in those random, unimportant shirou thoughts you've just mentioned. Anyways, good job on your reply. |
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Nov 15, 2018 2:52 PM
#7
as someone who read the original light novels for fate zero and played Fate stay night visual Character's motives Shirou and kiri are simply not comparable in the slightest Kiri believes that saving the majority justify not doing the same for the minorty shirou believes that his Life was saved for the exchange of others there might be a similarity in their beliefs but that's where it disappears, you see, shirou believes that for one to save another, they would have to sacrifice themselves, as without doing so, one cannot save the other while kiri, would never sacrifice himself for such a circumstance, instead, he believes that he should survive the cruelty so that he can conquer the world's evil in a sense saving everyone in the process,and he's willing to realize this ideal by any means spot the difference? point is, they are not even closely similar while being in the same medium, Shirou would never sacrifice someone for the sake of others' salvation, Kiri?, meh, he wouldn't even need to think about it, it's a see and do for kiri now, for their Personnality Shirou: well, he's not the most likable character in this regard,he has a misogynistic side that is so extreme that he would ask a servant to stop being a warrior because their gender/sex happen to be a female, even though the female servant can one shot him by the thought of it, the other negative side of him is his virgin shield, where he starts having pervert thoughts whenever he's near a fine female, be it a servant or humans, except taiga because may the Highter being witness, she might not be a female for all we know bonus: shirou says he adapted those behaviors from kiri, which is odd since he never showed such behaviors Kiritsugu: well, Kiri .....is an idealistic person who is closed to everything that is not a part of his ideal, at least till fate stay night. not the best writing but simple and project-able unlike someone, ahem shirou ahem and the last thing is their character development it's not a new thing that kiri developed to update his view of his ideal to realize how broken it is, which is a success, writing wise, while shirou never accepted that development and rather chose an alternative with the same ideal, kind of like trying to cheat fate in a sense, which is a failure character wise and coincidentally the point of UBW events and fate is not the center of the nasuverse, that would be Notes, the origin of the nasuverse, fate is simply the most popular. bonus: servant kiri is basically what Kiri would be if zero events wouldn't have happened. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 15, 2018 3:02 PM
Nov 15, 2018 2:55 PM
#8
I recently watched Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night UBW for the first time and this is what I have to say. Kiritsugu has a deeper and more engaging backstory Like how he killed his own father without hesitation On the other hand, Shirou feels to me like the teenage MC archetype and he doesn't really develop much in the anime aside from Learning how to replicate weapons he can see Finding out Archer is himself from the future |
Nov 15, 2018 2:56 PM
#9
No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race |
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Nov 15, 2018 3:04 PM
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Taylor_Mk said: I recently watched Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night UBW for the first time and this is what I have to say. Kiritsugu has a deeper and more engaging backstory Like how he killed his own father without hesitation On the other hand, Shirou feels to me like the teenage MC archetype and he doesn't really develop much in the anime aside from Learning how to replicate weapons he can see Finding out Archer is himself from the future that would be heaven's feel then, where shirou has the most development |
Nov 15, 2018 3:21 PM
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Comic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. |
Nov 15, 2018 3:27 PM
#12
shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayComic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race |
ZehennagelNov 15, 2018 3:30 PM
Nov 15, 2018 3:27 PM
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HsiuqsYgnops said: Comic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. But how can he be best grill if he's not even a virgin ? |
Nov 15, 2018 3:32 PM
#14
Shiro is more you're typical MC. He's not a bad MC per se, but he's nothing innovative. On top of that, he's not the brightest, like how he said "People die when they're killed." Granted, I haven't read the VNs but I know a few people who have, and they've all said Shiro is portrayed better in that than in the anime. Kiritsugu, on the other, is honestly a strategical genius and every fight he was in was like chess. Add in the fact that he's a badass and has quite a lot of character depth and he's far better than Shiro. |
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Nov 15, 2018 3:35 PM
#15
I think it's because the true FSN hasn't been fully animated yet. Personally, I don't enjoy Shiro because of his personality, I can't take his ideals seriously (and he lacks the edgy/badass part of Kiritsugu). Shiro<<<Yorokobe Shounen Priest<Kiritsugu<Mirou(legitimate heir of Kiritsugu)<SHINJI |
Nov 15, 2018 3:38 PM
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Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayComic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race koto became a joke in FSN, who acts like a Crippled Old guy that can't even stop an amateur battle teen from overwhelming him which is a joke |
Nov 15, 2018 3:39 PM
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Fulmi said: I think it's because the true FSN hasn't been fully animated yet. Personally, I don't enjoy Shiro because of his personality, I can't take his ideals seriously (and he lacks the edgy/badass part of Kiritsugu). Shiro<<<Yorokobe Shounen Priest<Kiritsugu<Mirou(legitimate heir of Kiritsugu)<SHINJI Your response made me awaken my Inner demons, now take responsibility for I have been enlightened, all there is to wait for in life is a Shinji route |
Nov 15, 2018 3:59 PM
#18
Anyone who actually read the VN would find out that Shirou is a profoundly complex character and a rather nice attempt at deconstructing shounen mc tropes. You can't 'get' Shirou if you don't experience his thoughts in the original medium and since anime VN adaptations are very bad at portraying internal monologues, to the anime onlies he appears to be rather stupid and generic. Adapting VNs is extremely hard but ufotable could have done a better job in this respect. On the other hand, Fate Zero is a light novel which is easier to adapt and thus Kiri is better portrayed. |
Nov 15, 2018 4:08 PM
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most of people (including me) can't understand shirou and his motivations |
Nov 15, 2018 4:21 PM
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Because Shirou is a bland cunt. Only interesting version of Shirou was Fate route Shirou and everybody especially hates that one, lol. |
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Nov 15, 2018 4:23 PM
#21
He has a strong ideal and the will to carry it out. Like Lelouch, Kira from Death Note, Griffith or Thanos. All the most captivating characters have this in common. |
Nov 15, 2018 4:24 PM
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Ter0zak said: most of people (including me) can't understand shirou and his motivations Because like most children he actually has none. |
Nov 15, 2018 5:49 PM
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HapHazrD said: HsiuqsYgnops said: Comic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. But how can he be best grill if he's not even a virgin ? That only makes things better fam. hehe. |
Nov 15, 2018 5:55 PM
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Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayComic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Agreed! Watching Kirei was one of the best parts of Fate/Zero. Wish he was as awesome in UBW, but whatever. |
Nov 15, 2018 5:59 PM
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Zekerets said: Anyone who actually read the VN would find out that Shirou is a profoundly complex character and a rather nice attempt at deconstructing shounen mc tropes. You can't 'get' Shirou if you don't experience his thoughts in the original medium and since anime VN adaptations are very bad at portraying internal monologues, to the anime onlies he appears to be rather stupid and generic. Adapting VNs is extremely hard but ufotable could have done a better job in this respect. On the other hand, Fate Zero is a light novel which is easier to adapt and thus Kiri is better portrayed. shirou: her an** is defenless saber should not fight, she's a girl her skin is mature now, and she looks finer than ever, she must be growing people die when they are killed i can't look at her eyes, they are so beautiful that they make embarrassed, i need to look away i need to save saber, i can't let a girl fight a monster like berserker '''gets insta K.O'' -complex character < you heard it here first folks |
PhantomnocomicsNov 15, 2018 6:04 PM
Nov 15, 2018 6:00 PM
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Ter0zak said: most of people (including me) can't understand shirou and his motivations No one does, that's the right response to anything shirou does, shirou does shirou |
Nov 15, 2018 6:02 PM
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Daemon said: Because Shirou is a bland cunt. Only interesting version of Shirou was Fate route Shirou and everybody especially hates that one, lol. obviously because he's not a misogynic, idealist, and a stupid teen whose virginity makes him react to every attractive FEMALE there is, human or not, except tagia, because kiri knows why not |
Nov 15, 2018 6:08 PM
#28
Maybe it's because in a series about fighting for an omnipotent wish granting device Kiritsugu is one of the only protagonists that has a wish, will do whatever it takes to get that wish granted. His actions also align with what we learn about his character as we watch the show and his desire to save the world despite the cost to himself makes him a tragic hero. Throww in his extreme competence as a mage and his chemistry with Kotomine and it's clear why he has more favorites than Emiya "King of Asspulls" Shirou. |
Nov 15, 2018 6:24 PM
#29
I like Kiritsugu more because he is more edgy I identify myself with him, who is like a tragic hero. I started watching Fate with Fate/Zero and I have only read the Fate route. Shirou is better in the VN but he still annoys me in some parts. |
Nov 16, 2018 12:37 AM
#30
because he was awesome during his childhood years |
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Nov 16, 2018 5:15 AM
#31
Phantomnocomics said: Zekerets said: Anyone who actually read the VN would find out that Shirou is a profoundly complex character and a rather nice attempt at deconstructing shounen mc tropes. You can't 'get' Shirou if you don't experience his thoughts in the original medium and since anime VN adaptations are very bad at portraying internal monologues, to the anime onlies he appears to be rather stupid and generic. Adapting VNs is extremely hard but ufotable could have done a better job in this respect. On the other hand, Fate Zero is a light novel which is easier to adapt and thus Kiri is better portrayed. shirou: her an** is defenless saber should not fight, she's a girl her skin is mature now, and she looks finer than ever, she must be growing people die when they are killed i can't look at her eyes, they are so beautiful that they make embarrassed, i need to look away i need to save saber, i can't let a girl fight a monster like berserker '''gets insta K.O'' -complex character < you heard it here first folks First of all Fate Stay Night never had an official translation, that's why we got stuff like " people die when they are killed". Moreover the porn scenes are pretty shitty since they weren't even written by Nasu. The question here is Shirou as a character, not crappy mistranslations and lame hentai dialogue. 'Muh misogyny' doesn't make him a less complex character, he's pretty fucked in the head, that's the entire point! Apparently edginess alone can make a personality profound according to MAL users. |
ZekeretsNov 16, 2018 5:18 AM
Nov 16, 2018 5:44 AM
#32
Lets just face it nobody like a character whose only aim is to save everyone. Save everyone? Who is that even possible. Kiri is more realistic in his approach. He is badass. He has a brain. And he has a fucking aim. Plus he had an awesome rival, kotomine. |
Nov 16, 2018 6:55 AM
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25NOVember said: Lets just face it nobody like a character whose only aim is to save everyone. Save everyone? Who is that even possible. Kiri is more realistic in his approach. He is badass. He has a brain. And he has a fucking aim. Plus he had an awesome rival, kotomine. The whole point of his character is to show that an idealistic approach is always destined to fail. This seems to fly over everyone's head. Same goes for Kiritsugu but he just have dat edge going for him so he's automatically a more complex character apparently. Also Kiritsugu wants to save everyone as well, this is literally his one life long goal, he's even more obsessive about it than shirou, did you even pay attention? |
Nov 16, 2018 6:59 AM
#34
Becuz he's handsome and actually has a personality. Shirou is shit tbh,I dont care if he's better in UBW or the Vn,he's shit. |
Nov 16, 2018 7:07 AM
#35
Zekerets said: 25NOVember said: Lets just face it nobody like a character whose only aim is to save everyone. Save everyone? Who is that even possible. Kiri is more realistic in his approach. He is badass. He has a brain. And he has a fucking aim. Plus he had an awesome rival, kotomine. The whole point of his character is to show that an idealistic approach is always destined to fail. This seems to fly over everyone's head. Same goes for Kiritsugu but he just have dat edge going for him so he's automatically a more complex character apparently. Also Kiritsugu wants to save everyone as well, this is literally his one life long goal, he's even more obsessive about it than shirou, did you even pay attention? Kiritsugu was ready to sacrifice minority for the majority. Thats more realistic instead of trying to save everyone without losing anyone. Plus kiritsugu did try to achieve his dream of changing the world. What did shirou do? Risking his life to save a girl who died a long time ago? What the fuck is edgy? Calling any character you dont like edgy has become a trend now, i think |
Nov 16, 2018 7:20 AM
#36
look at mal's top favorite characters and notice that a lot of them mostly fit the ideal chuuni fantasy in some way, kiritsugu aligns with it more than shirou sure you can make arguments for why you as an individual think kiritsugu is better or deeper or more mature (he isn't) but to the majority it's the more superficial qualities that appeal more, it's because he fits the shallow idea of a "realistic" hero by being dark and gritty even though his characterization does run deeper than that |
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Nov 16, 2018 7:28 AM
#37
25NOVember said: Zekerets said: 25NOVember said: Lets just face it nobody like a character whose only aim is to save everyone. Save everyone? Who is that even possible. Kiri is more realistic in his approach. He is badass. He has a brain. And he has a fucking aim. Plus he had an awesome rival, kotomine. The whole point of his character is to show that an idealistic approach is always destined to fail. This seems to fly over everyone's head. Same goes for Kiritsugu but he just have dat edge going for him so he's automatically a more complex character apparently. Also Kiritsugu wants to save everyone as well, this is literally his one life long goal, he's even more obsessive about it than shirou, did you even pay attention? Kiritsugu was ready to sacrifice minority for the majority. Thats more realistic instead of trying to save everyone without losing anyone. Plus kiritsugu did try to achieve his dream of changing the world. What did shirou do? Risking his life to save a girl who died a long time ago? What the fuck is edgy? Calling any character you dont like edgy has become a trend now, i think I never said I don't like him, on the contrary really but people only like him because of edge and badassery alone. You can't compare a 17 year old guy with a battle hardened veteran, it's not a realistic comparison at all. A character doesn't have to be likeable or relatable in order to be well written. Shioru is like every cookie cutter shonen MC ever written but his entire character arc is a deconstruction, that's the entire point. |
Nov 16, 2018 8:53 AM
#38
Zekerets said: Phantomnocomics said: Zekerets said: Anyone who actually read the VN would find out that Shirou is a profoundly complex character and a rather nice attempt at deconstructing shounen mc tropes. You can't 'get' Shirou if you don't experience his thoughts in the original medium and since anime VN adaptations are very bad at portraying internal monologues, to the anime onlies he appears to be rather stupid and generic. Adapting VNs is extremely hard but ufotable could have done a better job in this respect. On the other hand, Fate Zero is a light novel which is easier to adapt and thus Kiri is better portrayed. shirou: her an** is defenless saber should not fight, she's a girl her skin is mature now, and she looks finer than ever, she must be growing people die when they are killed i can't look at her eyes, they are so beautiful that they make embarrassed, i need to look away i need to save saber, i can't let a girl fight a monster like berserker '''gets insta K.O'' -complex character < you heard it here first folks First of all Fate Stay Night never had an official translation, that's why we got stuff like " people die when they are killed". Moreover the porn scenes are pretty shitty since they weren't even written by Nasu. The question here is Shirou as a character, not crappy mistranslations and lame hentai dialogue. 'Muh misogyny' doesn't make him a less complex character, he's pretty fucked in the head, that's the entire point! Apparently edginess alone can make a personality profound according to MAL users. there were more than one translation for the FSN visual novel, one by mirror moon and the second by beast lair which was done by a Community instead of a staff and it's not a mis-translation, it's a literal translation, this was discussed years ago in beast lair in whether the literal translation were necessary or not, since everyone is a fan of fate in there and no one wants some no one's interpretation as the translation, they just left it literal it was nasu who wrote them, don't know where you got that from, but he's a shit writer when it comes to those scenes, hence the famous memes of Tsukihime thing is: edges are the same Fetish, they are for specific audiences, and not meant to be developed making whoever the character that inhabit them bland in nature, not good nor bad, they are just there like some curse and since shirou never developed his characters' flaws, he's a failure of character |
Nov 16, 2018 9:00 AM
#39
1) Kiritsugu is a more mature character: he's a grown adult who's seen the worst parts of people, not an idealistic teenager. 2) Kiritsugu is more relatable and realistic: his utilitarianism philosophy of doing things, vs Shirou Emiya's, "I just want to save people and be a hero and I'm traumatized from a fire 10 years ago", is more understandable. Let's be real here: what did Shirou do with his life to fulfill his dream? Did he decide to study to become a soldier? Lawyer? Anything like that? No. What did Kiritsugu do to fulfill his dream? He became an assassin. 3) Kiritsugu has more development (as of now): Shirou doesn't change in the Fate route of the anime. In the UBW route of the anime, he doesn't really change much either. Kiritsugu on the other hand goes through major changes: he comes to the realization that his philosophy is too flawed, and settles down as a kinder, softer, down-to-Earth man. |
Nov 16, 2018 9:04 AM
#40
Zekerets said: 25NOVember said: Lets just face it nobody like a character whose only aim is to save everyone. Save everyone? Who is that even possible. Kiri is more realistic in his approach. He is badass. He has a brain. And he has a fucking aim. Plus he had an awesome rival, kotomine. The whole point of his character is to show that an idealistic approach is always destined to fail. This seems to fly over everyone's head. Same goes for Kiritsugu but he just have dat edge going for him so he's automatically a more complex character apparently. Also Kiritsugu wants to save everyone as well, this is literally his one life long goal, he's even more obsessive about it than shirou, did you even pay attention? -shirou never accepts that his ideal is a failure even though it's an Objective Fate -not all ideals fail to be realized -kiri does not want to save everyone, he wants to conquer the world's Cruelty and control it so no one cause others to suffer anymore kind of a villain, but again, he is a villain. -i have never seen someone call a villain edgy before, i'm amused, so, are all villains edgy now?, well, what a fate. |
Nov 16, 2018 9:19 AM
#41
Aure0lin said: look at mal's top favorite characters and notice that a lot of them mostly fit the ideal chuuni fantasy in some way, kiritsugu aligns with it more than shirou sure you can make arguments for why you as an individual think kiritsugu is better or deeper or more mature (he isn't) but to the majority it's the more superficial qualities that appeal more, it's because he fits the shallow idea of a "realistic" hero by being dark and gritty even though his characterization does run deeper than that never thought of kiri as a DARK hero, sure, he does some heroic stuff sometimes, but not out of choices and all come as incidental, he's more of a villain, and popularity does not mean quality, if it was the reverse, kirito sama would be the Best MC Archetype of all time and of course, kiri is not better, deeper, mature, than shirou a sexually oversensitive teen with an over the top misangony side whose ideal is to save EVERY-one, be it forcefully or willingly, in all-times vs an asexual adult with an equalizer kill for both genders whose ideal is just to stop people from suffering from the world's cruelty i guess Arguments and facts mean nothing because obviously Your WORD is objective, who am i to defy such a thing? |
Nov 16, 2018 9:25 AM
#42
Phantomnocomics said: Well that's FSN, and FSN sucks ass. on the contrary fate zero is great and kirei and gilgamesh make sure to embrace this greatness. Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: Comic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race koto became a joke in FSN, who acts like a Crippled Old guy that can't even stop an amateur battle teen from overwhelming him which is a joke I haven't seen FSN 2014 yet but 2006 sucked ass. and well wether he sucks in FSN or not it doesn't change the fact that he was such a good character in zero. |
Nov 16, 2018 9:36 AM
#43
Phantomnocomics_profile_page said: lmao you couldn't make this upi live by myself and by my own rules, alone Phantomnocomics said: you're making the assumption that i somehow think popularity means quality when my post implicitly states that it isn't (kiritsugu being more popular than shirou even though he isn't as well written)never thought of kiri as a DARK hero, sure, he does some heroic stuff sometimes, but not out of choices and all come as incidental, he's more of a villain, and popularity does not mean quality, if it was the reverse, kirito sama would be the Best MC Archetype of all time lelouch fits the idea well enough, being a better written character than kirito probably also helps in giving you an edge in addition for being a mastermind that conquers everyone in your show and of course, kiri is not better, deeper, mature, than shirou seriously, you couldn't make this shit up lola sexually oversensitive teen with an over the top misangony side whose ideal is to save EVERY-one, be it forcefully or willingly, in all-times vs an asexual adult with an equalizer kill for both genders whose ideal is just to stop people from suffering from the world's cruelty i guess Arguments and facts mean nothing because obviously Your WORD is objective, who am i to defy such a thing? |
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Nov 16, 2018 10:08 AM
#44
Aure0lin said: Phantomnocomics_profile_page said: lmao you couldn't make this upi live by myself and by my own rules, alone Phantomnocomics said: you're making the assumption that i somehow think popularity means quality when my post implicitly states that it isn't (kiritsugu being more popular than shirou even though he isn't as well written)never thought of kiri as a DARK hero, sure, he does some heroic stuff sometimes, but not out of choices and all come as incidental, he's more of a villain, and popularity does not mean quality, if it was the reverse, kirito sama would be the Best MC Archetype of all time lelouch fits the idea well enough, being a better written character than kirito probably also helps in giving you an edge in addition for being a mastermind that conquers everyone in your show and of course, kiri is not better, deeper, mature, than shirou seriously, you couldn't make this shit up lola sexually oversensitive teen with an over the top misangony side whose ideal is to save EVERY-one, be it forcefully or willingly, in all-times vs an asexual adult with an equalizer kill for both genders whose ideal is just to stop people from suffering from the world's cruelty i guess Arguments and facts mean nothing because obviously Your WORD is objective, who am i to defy such a thing? *sure you can make arguments for why you as an individual think kiritsugu is better or deeper or more mature (he isn't)* my response was merely aimed at this comment, it kind of triggered me, no need to get offensive about it, whether you think Kiri is deeper, more mature, or better than shirou or not is not my issue but your comment imply a dismiss for arguments about kiri, be it intentional or incidental and the character descriptive i gave is canon, so that's kind of a fact, so..... farewell |
Nov 16, 2018 10:11 AM
#45
Zehennagel said: Phantomnocomics said: Well that's FSN, and FSN sucks ass. on the contrary fate zero is great and kirei and gilgamesh make sure to embrace this greatness. Zehennagel said: shirou is but another generic will-save-the-world unninteresting MC. kiritsugu is more interesting, and he's one of the MCs of fate zero who's got: - more members on MAL and is - considered way better by many people.(score and overall people prefear zero) that said, I liked kiritsugu but found kotomine so much more interesting, he was the real main character of fate zero for me. (I only watched fate stay night 2006 and fate zero when I'm writing this so i don't know about what happens next) HsiuqsYgnops said: yayComic_Sans said: No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race Finally, a proper answer. I never could have thought of that. You're a genius fam. Kotomine best grill. Comic_Sans said: well I liked kiritsugu tbh but kirei kotominei is such an awesome character and he goes so fucking well along with gilgamesh. he's the main character for me!No idea, I find both of them to be boring ass fucks. Kotomine master race koto became a joke in FSN, who acts like a Crippled Old guy that can't even stop an amateur battle teen from overwhelming him which is a joke I haven't seen FSN 2014 yet but 2006 sucked ass. and well wether he sucks in FSN or not it doesn't change the fact that he was such a good character in zero. . If you think about it, there is a joke, his pops participated in the third holy grail war which is the most irregular war that it caused the timeline to split and survived it considering faker caused everyone to die at that war which is badass by itself yet was killed in a lame way by kirei then kirei had the same fate in FSN but had badass moments in fate zero, Ironic fate . i guess it was less lamer than the fate route in UBW, the least lame is in Hallow Aatarxia where he's actually fate zero-like, but that sequel will never see an adaptation, at least not till FSN is unfinished that is, which might not be till 2024 for all we know, since heaven feel is 2 part in and there is no Fate route anime yet, deen stay night is a filler, so it doesn't exist. Yorokobe Weeb of red for I Weeb of Blue will eliminate you in this holy grail. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 16, 2018 10:57 AM
Nov 16, 2018 10:12 AM
#46
to me shirou has pulled a lot of shit from his ass while kiritsugu has trained a lot and had a lot of time to show of what he was capable of |
Nov 16, 2018 10:19 AM
#47
To all people want to see badass Shirou who don't give a fuck about people go and fucking watch HF or Fate Kalied and stop shiting on him they just watch People die when they are killed dialogue and began to shiting on him without even watching the whole thing fuck u retards people. |
Nov 16, 2018 10:21 AM
#48
What shit have u even watched the whole thing? |
Nov 16, 2018 10:54 AM
#49
Phantomnocomics said: Zekerets said: Phantomnocomics said: Zekerets said: Anyone who actually read the VN would find out that Shirou is a profoundly complex character and a rather nice attempt at deconstructing shounen mc tropes. You can't 'get' Shirou if you don't experience his thoughts in the original medium and since anime VN adaptations are very bad at portraying internal monologues, to the anime onlies he appears to be rather stupid and generic. Adapting VNs is extremely hard but ufotable could have done a better job in this respect. On the other hand, Fate Zero is a light novel which is easier to adapt and thus Kiri is better portrayed. shirou: her an** is defenless saber should not fight, she's a girl her skin is mature now, and she looks finer than ever, she must be growing people die when they are killed i can't look at her eyes, they are so beautiful that they make embarrassed, i need to look away i need to save saber, i can't let a girl fight a monster like berserker '''gets insta K.O'' -complex character < you heard it here first folks First of all Fate Stay Night never had an official translation, that's why we got stuff like " people die when they are killed". Moreover the porn scenes are pretty shitty since they weren't even written by Nasu. The question here is Shirou as a character, not crappy mistranslations and lame hentai dialogue. 'Muh misogyny' doesn't make him a less complex character, he's pretty fucked in the head, that's the entire point! Apparently edginess alone can make a personality profound according to MAL users. there were more than one translation for the FSN visual novel, one by mirror moon and the second by beast lair which was done by a Community instead of a staff and it's not a mis-translation, it's a literal translation, this was discussed years ago in beast lair in whether the literal translation were necessary or not, since everyone is a fan of fate in there and no one wants some no one's interpretation as the translation, they just left it literal it was nasu who wrote them, don't know where you got that from, but he's a shit writer when it comes to those scenes, hence the famous memes of Tsukihime thing is: edges are the same Fetish, they are for specific audiences, and not meant to be developed making whoever the character that inhabit them bland in nature, not good nor bad, they are just there like some curse and since shirou never developed his characters' flaws, he's a failure of character Maybe I got my info wrong but whatever, most writers are shit at writing sex scenes, just read Game of Thrones and see for yourself. Do you even know how linguistics work?You can't make a literal translation and expect it to make sense ever single time! You destroy the whole meaning of that phrase. You haven't provided a single argument as to why Shirou is a 'failure' as a character, you just quoted some shitty literal translation made by passionate amateurs. |
Nov 16, 2018 11:01 AM
#50
well, Fate kaleid shirou and FSN shirou are not the same shirou, so......and the topic is about FSN shirou. in HF, he's quite OP but that doesn't mean make him a cool character nor does it change his flaws as a character, it Only means the plot was character convenient than even UBW. |
PhantomnocomicsNov 16, 2018 12:42 PM
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