| Add an option to show/hide preliminary scores. There, now both parties are happy. |
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| I do normally give shows a rating at about 5-6 episodes in, becasue at that point I generally have a good idea whether I like a series or not, and if I end up liking it more or less than initially I change my score at the end accordingly. But rating after just a single episode is just silly. I am a massive fan of Steins;Gate myself, and it was so great to be back with these characters again. But after 1 episode I still have no idea if it will live up to the original. Rating this soon I just don't see the point in. |
| There's something called first impressions, and although I know that not all the scores for the Steins Gate sequel are this, you can totally score an anime after one episode. |
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| I usualy rate an anime immediately after every singe episode I watched so when watching a 24 episode series my rating may change 24 times I do that to capture how I felt about the episode before so I can "measure" my enjoyment as accurately as possible. |
| I still don't see the problem at all I can give a score based on my first impression. If my opinion changes over the course of the show,then I can adjust my rating with a simple click. |
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| its nice to have a hierarchy of popular opinion from at the start of the season if you ask me but you are free to ignore it if it bugs you i guess; and after all seasonals are best picked by yourself not by popular opinion but sequels will almost always get higher ratings.. such is the natural way of things here |
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HappyDanceWeeb said: you can't quite judge a series immediately from the first episode. What are you talking about? 1 episode is more then enough to rate series. Of course sometimes I can change my rating (like it has a shitty ending or suddenly gets better) but 95% times my rating after the first episode remains unchanged. |
HappyDanceWeeb said: Every time a new anime is released, many MAL users immediately rate it, And they also immediately start complain about it in the forums. |
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| You CAN get a firm grasp of the directing, visual, OP/ED (assuming they had one), voice acting, character design, cinematography, symbolism, sound design, on and on within the first 5 minutes of the show. Plus, it's not like you can't change the score. I don't see the problem of rating it early. |
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| This is like the 10th tread about this topic and I think rating a show after the first episode is fine everyone should just do whatever they want I mean I personally rate a show after every single episode so my rating often changes numerous times |
bitchassdarius said: JustMonaka said: You CAN get a firm grasp of the directing, visual, OP/ED (assuming they had one), voice acting, character design, cinematography, symbolism, sound design, on and on within the first 5 minutes of the show. Plus, it's not like you can't change the score. I don't see the problem of rating it early. if thats what you have observed, then you must watch mostly bad shows Nice ad hominem surpassing the limit |
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| I have same problem with you, Honestly that number is really pissed me in my heart But i must not complaint, everyone have their own methods to rating anime they're watched. Ignore that until the end of this season is the best way i think |
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It means exactly what I intended to say. Also, nice going off topic |
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bitchassdarius said: you should google ad hominem and relearn the definition so you don't misuse it again ^^ Ad hominem An attack upon an opponent in order to discredit their arguement or opinion. Ad hominems are used by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence. Source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ad%20hominem So, can we get into the topic now? |
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| S;G 0 is going to end up in the top 10 or top 5 anyway so who cares. I personally never score anime before they end or are about to end (there are exceptions). |
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| Can't we just stop talking about Steins:Gate 0? Just enjoy your fucking life and ignore it. |
bitchassdarius said: 1. there is no argument happening 2. pointing out the selection bias that would have led you to that conclusion is hardly a "personal attack" 3. urbandictionary is not a creditable source for big boy phrases please don't be pseudo-intellectual baby when someone points out the obvious 1. If you have no argument then why were you quoting me? 2. Keyword = then you must watch mostly bad shows 3. Source 2: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/1/Ad-Hominem-Abusive Source 3: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ad-hominem Source 4: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem Source 5: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/ Want more? Edit: Also, what selection bias? The elements I pointed out apply to every anime in general. |
JustMonakaApr 14, 2018 7:49 AM
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| How many people make thread like that on MAL !! Anyway for I was keep the anime to end for rating it but now I find it better to rate the anime from the two first episodes then i will change the score by the time ! |
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| I rate the seasonals I watch when I catch up cause that's all the information anyone has at the moment. Just gives a general reaction to the material out so far. |
Since when did I say I was offended? You're right, it's not a formal argument. But then, guess who asked me to bitchassdarius said: you should google ad hominem and relearn the definition so you don't misuse it again ^^ Your circumstantial exception does not apply here, as you were not provide a single argument against me. You only assumed I mostly watched bad shows. Where's the "seeks to convince an audience of the truth of a premise by personal observation"? Claiming I only watched bad shows was not an observation. What evidence made you come up with that claim? Where's the statistic? How is it an absurd conclusion when every elements I mentioned in my very first reply to this thread apply to the animation medium in general? How does that equate to "I mostly watched bad shows"? What's wrong with rating a show based on the "formal elements" that make up the medium? ^ Edit: This is where the argument should be, not if it's ad hominem or not. You're going wayyyyyy off topic. Ironic enough, "it's alright babby no need for butthurt" is unquestionably an ad hominem. |
JustMonakaApr 14, 2018 8:27 AM
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bitchassdarius said: your observation was JustMonaka said: You CAN get a firm grasp of the directing, visual, OP/ED (assuming they had one), voice acting, character design, cinematography, symbolism, sound design, on and on within the first 5 minutes of the show. the grounds for that bad observation is that you watch bad shows. that's pretty much the only way you could come up with that. similarly, if i had said "anime is dumb, it's all just dumb shows where the MC gets teleported to another world where a bunch of girls want his peepee" that means i only watch isekai shows. pretty much the same idea with yours, except instead of isekai shows, it's just bad shows. if i watched only shounen jump shows, for example, i could easily come to the same conclusion. this is called selection bias, and it heavily affects your observation. additionally, there's nothing personal about watching bad shows. i didn't say you had bad taste, just simply that you watch bad shows. it seems that you've interpreted that was an attack when it was merely an observation of your watching habits. i don't think you have bad taste. does that assuage your buttdevastation, babby? no need to grandstand with words and ideas you don't understand too well. I still don't see the correlation between "judging the shows based on its production elements" and "watching bad shows". As I said a million times before, those elements are what made up animation. You can't have anime that doesn't contain them. |
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Let's go back to basic, shall we? First, I said: JustMonaka said: You CAN get a firm grasp of the directing, visual, OP/ED (assuming they had one), voice acting, character design, cinematography, symbolism, sound design, on and on within the first 5 minutes of the show. Plus, it's not like you can't change the score. I don't see the problem of rating it early. Then, you said: So, what's the conclusion? It's that you implied: "Judging the shows based on its production elements is only possible when I watched mostly bad show" In reply to that, here's my question: What's the correlation between "judging the shows based on its production elements" and "watching bad shows"? Does that make enough sense? |
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How would it make the show shallow? You can tell if you like the visual as soon as you see it. Cinematography and directing are there as soon as the show start. Voice acting and sound are the easiest things to judge. Character design is there before you even start the show. The OP/ED is like the face of the show. Take my favorite, first season of Steins;Gate. People say it has slow start and gets better later on. Well, I was hooked after watching 2 minutes into the first episode. The cinematography is interesting with the way it places the camera and the shots transition. The color is very unique and immersive. The voice acting is stellar. Character design looks great. Dialogue is pretty dope, and it had tons of symbolism with its opening monologue alone. I don't see how any of these reasons is shallow Needless to say, Steins;Gate is widely acclaimed as a good show by various anime sites including MAL. It's not the first thing people would think of when talking about bad anime. |
JustMonakaApr 14, 2018 9:43 AM
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| I agree. I never understand how someone could write an anime review without watching the entire series first. Plus new anime that are airing right now get ratings and reviews when the series ain't even halfway finished. |
bitchassdarius said: if everything a show has to offer can be ascertained within the first 5 minutes, then it's obviously shallow. this is not something that needs to be argued lol You're acting like good elements in an anime are disposable resources. There are shows that are CONSISTENT with their quality from beginning to end, what a surprise. Even if a show is not consistent, I said in my very first quote that "it's not like you can't change the score". On the topic, when did I say "the show need to show me everything it could do in the first 5 minutes"? bitchassdarius said: >You can tell if you like the visual as soon as you see it. if you like a show's visuals from only the first 5 minutes and the rest of the show looks like that, then those visuals are 1 dimensional There's something called an art style, look it up. bitchassdarius said: >Cinematography and directing are there as soon as the show start. many shows have different episode directors and different storyboarders. additionally, if the director uses all the tricks up their sleeves within the first 5 minutes, they probably suck. There is a head supervisor whose job is to make sure that everyone's work is in the same style, and again, you're acting like good elements in an anime are disposable resources or something. bitchassdarius said: >Voice acting and sound are the easiest things to judge. for bad shows yes. if the show is dynamic, it's not going to showcase everything within the first 5 minutes You can tell the sound quality and if the voice actor is good or not by the way they act in each and every scene. That includes not only the narrative peak, but also the ordinary scenes. bitchassdarius said: >Character design is there before you even start the show. visual character designs are released as promotional material for shows, yes, but half of character designs is how they're written and animated, and if you can get all of that within the first 5 minutes of a show, then it's shallow. Character design means, well, how the characters are designed. What you're talking about is the writing and animation. The writing, I agree, is one of the things you can't judge till the end. Animation in anime is mostly consistent outside of some sakuga moments. Most shows would want to showcase some of those sakuga in the first episode anyway. It sounds to me that you: 1. Don't know where to look regarding said elements, which is fine. 2. Mistaking narrative peak to "the show is getting better". 3. Misunderstand my beginning statement. I said "you can get a firm grasp at its production in 5 minutes", not "you can know everything the show has to offer in 5 minutes". When you think about it, the first episode is where you hook your audience in. Every creator would want to make it as good as possible. They can't just say "hey, stick around. This is not my best shot". |
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| Ehh i don't even look at the score during the season because I know it isn't accurate at all. But is normal that popular animes will have higher scores on release. |
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| Yeah, I typically don't like rating something after one episode either. Never made sense to me, but I guess I can understand it now. First impressions are important to most people and it's not like I haven't judged something at first glance. Still can't bring myself to drop shows after one episode. I found some of my favorite anime that way and I like to give shows a fair chance for the most part if I've already decided to watch them. |
bitchassdarius said: >There are shows that are CONSISTENT with their quality from beginning to end, what a surprise. consistency is irrelevant How is it irrelevant? Because it'd prove my point if the first 5 minutes is relatively as good as the rest of the show? bitchassdarius said: >On the topic, when did I say "the show need to show me everything it could do in the first 5 minutes"? who are you quoting? i didn't say that, you were the one who only watches shows in which the essential elements can be grasped within the first 5 minutes, i.e. shallow, bad shows You can grasp the basic elements of EVERY show within the first 5 minutes, unless you want to say anime as a whole is shallow. bitchassdarius said: >There's something called an art style, look it up. it seems like you watch very boring, 1-dimensional shows. i can think of a dozen shows with styles not easily predicted from just the first 5 minutes. And the example of those shows are...? bitchassdarius said: >There is a head supervisor whose job is to make sure that everyone's work is in the same style, and again, sounds like you watch boring shows or are just bad at analyzing. there are tons of shows where you can tell who is storyboarding/directing what. Doesn't negate my point that there's someone to make sure everyone's work is in the same fashion. Obviously you can tell who's doing what, it's not like you need to reject your individualism to create a work that's in other people style. bitchassdarius said: >you're acting like good elements in an anime are disposable resources or something. this statement is rhetorically bankrupt, and you should stop saying it like it means anything. It means a lot for someone who think it is possible for the directors to use up all the tricks up their sleeves. bitchassdarius said: >You can tell the sound quality and if the voice actor is good or not by the way they act in each and every scene. That includes not only the narrative peak, but also the ordinary scenes. yeah, no shit. but the first 5 minutes of a show? yeah, i don't think you can even defend your point there I don't see any argument here. bitchassdarius said: >Character design means, well, how the characters are designed. yes, do you know what design entails? it includes how the characters act. personality is by definition part of character design, and personality is determined by gestures and how they act. A good character design need to be able to tell their personality by gestures, sure, but that does NOT include bitchassdarius said: >Most shows would want to showcase some of those sakuga in the first episode anyway. in the first 5 minutes? you're deviating from your initial post about the first 5 minutes. that's all i'm focusing on because that's the most absurd part of your observation. Replace "first episode"with "first 5 minutes" and nothing would change here. bitchassdarius said: >1. Don't know where to look regarding said elements, which is fine. >2. Mistaking narrative peak to "the show is getting better". straw arguments, nowhere from what i've said can these actually be inferred I would have to re-quote half of your previous replies to prove this point, which I don't want to. So, I'll just say most of your "an anime can't showcase everything within the first 5 minutes" arguments fall into this category. bitchassdarius said: >3. Misunderstand my beginning statement. I said "you can get a firm grasp at its production in 5 minutes", not "you can know everything the show has to offer in 5 minutes". nah, you seem to be misunderstanding your own statement using "5 minutes" as a synecdoche for "the first episode." the two are completely different, try not to confuse them, which you seem to be doing I'm amazed how you can come up with this conclusion when I only wrote "first episode" twice in a general sense. Replace "first episode"with "first 5 minutes" and nothing would change here |
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bitchassdarius said: >How is it irrelevant? Because it'd prove my point if the first 5 minutes is relatively as good as the rest of the show? we're not talking about quality directly. you said that you can grasp everything essential to a show within the first 5 minutes. that has nothing to do with consistency. I said "you can get a firm grasp at its basic elements in production in 5 minutes", not "I can grasp everything essential to a show within the first 5 minutes". Feel like I've addressed this point before, what a weird deja vu. bitchassdarius said: >You can grasp the basic elements of EVERY show within the first 5 minutes false. example #1, Hyouka Its visual is in the same style between the 5 minutes and the whole show. The characters are heavily animated, just like the whole show. Nothing difference in the sound. No change in the character. It's dialogue heavy in the first 5 minutes, just like the whole show. If anything, the 5 minutes establishes who the MC is and foreshadows his character arc. So, how is it a false example? I can break down your 11 other examples as well, but you get the point. Sure, the story did a 180 in shows like School Days and Eva, but their art style, directing, sound, etc. are still in the style of the first 5 minutes. That's my point. bitchassdarius said: >Replace "first episode"with "first 5 minutes" and nothing would change here. yeah, that's called changing your whole argument. might as well just delete your initial post >I'm amazed how you can come up with this conclusion when I only wrote "first episode" twice in a general sense. Replace "first episode"with "first 5 minutes" and nothing would change here do you know what synecdoche means? look it up, you basically repeated what i just said your initial post is about the first 5 minutes, no the whole first episode, so stop bringing it up. a whole first episode is irrelevant since we're only talking about the first 5 minutes. stop backpedaling. everything would change because your whole initial statement would change. "When you think about it, the first 5 minutes is where you hook your audience in. Every creator would want to make it as good as possible. They can't just say "hey, stick around. This is not my best shot"." What's the difference? In a production, you would want to grab as many audiences as possible. If you fail to interest them in 5 minutes, there's a high chance some of them would turn away from your show, meaning you're losing profit. Every production knows this. |
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