What's up with people still using "he", "him" and "his" for the gems? (read first comment)

KurouKuriko said:
Bort and Yellow Diamond both have traditionally masculine personalities, and males can behave gentle and caring like Diamond, or sly and intelligent like Rutile. Cinnabar is literally just a generic loner/tsundere and males can cry too. Phos can be interpreted as either masculine or feminine because he's just immature and energetic. You can make any of them into outright males and nothing about their personality would change.

What are "female personality traits" that men can't have? That's so sexist towards both men and women. So men can't be gentle and nice and women can't be aggressive or something?

You've literally never read anything about anthropology or sociology in your life and only base your opinions off high school biology courses and/or homophobic social media posts. Good to know.

One of the feminine characters changes their looks to appear completely like a young boy later on; does that mean he changed his gender from female to male because of a haircut? Your gender roles and expectations are extremely unrealistic.

Maybe your "DNA and brain" are just not creative enough to accept something that many other fans have.

The author stated that they are genderless and use he/him to talk about themselves and each other. The characters literally called Yellow Diamond "oniisan" multiple times this episode. If you can't respect that, then there's nothing left to discuss. Pretty sure this post won't change your opinion anyway so I won't be checking for your response; I don't have this much time to waste. So you don't need to waste your time too and respond. Have a good day.

Hakaminah said:
Why this again... I'll allow myself to quote someone



TL;DR
They use male pronoun
They don't have or even understand genders

something from myself:
some gems look more feminine (Dia) while some more masculine (Jade) and some look like neither of these two and resemble more neutral child appearance (Phos)

Just use him/he like they do with each other or use gender neutral pronouns like me to save yourself trouble

btw the only female that was introduced was Ventricosus

Hakaminah said:
TL;DR
They use male pronoun
They don't have or even understand genders

Saint_Nepunepu said:

They seem female for all intents and purposes, so referring to them as such makes the most sense. People are just trying to force SJW politics into this.

Hakaminah said:


If you check anidb for characters you'll see that all gems, sensei included have "none/does not apply" written under gender because that's how it simply is.
And about what non-existent "intendent purposes" are you talking about?

I'm not really familiar with whatever this SJW is so I'll ignore it.


@TsundeReaper I did it read it, not sure what you wanted to say by it now tho, if you think I skipped something you're free to point it out.
Women can be masculine and males can be feminine, it works both ways so I don't see what are you trying to say with your new comment and since you're here you can also explain what are these female clothes you were talking about and also would be nice to hear what are male clothes in your opinion for comparison.

Hakaminah said:
If you check anidb for characters you'll see that all gems, sensei included have "none/does not apply" written under gender because that's how it simply is.
And about what non-existent "intendent purposes" are you talking about?

Saint_Nepunepu said:

I didn't say they are literally female. They just look, sound and act female, so referring to them as female makes more sense than referring to them as male.

Hakaminah said:
Mind explaining what do you mean by acting as female? After all these 8 episodes I don't remember a single thing that a male couldn't do that was done by only of the gems.

About voice I guess it's different for many people, Antarc and Boltz for example don't sound really girly to me.

Saint_Nepunepu said:
This is pedantic. Gender differences exist even if one gender can mimick anything the other gender does.

Hakaminah said:
Still, humans no longer exist in that world and so are normal females, we're left only with admirabilis and nothing more.
Gems have human shaped body that represents neither male nor female but they are using male pronouns in anime and calling each other brothers.

I don't see any reason to call them using female pronouns.

Saint_Nepunepu said:
I already said that referring to them as female makes the most sense since they look, act and sound female. Anyone randomly watching the show would assume they're female. Whether they actually have a sex like humans is a red herring.

Hakaminah said:
And I have yet not seen explanation from you what is exactly acting like a female.

What makes the most sense is referring them as author himself wished them to be referred as and whatever they have any sexes at all is actually important as its way to build base for characters and world they're in, because gems are genderless Phos couldn't understand what are King's "water bags" for, it's because we've been informed that they are just minerals with feeling it made sense that they don't understand sexuality and whatever could be connected to it.

Hakaminah said:
@TsundeReaper "Japanese use the male pronoun on genderless and some ambiguous even on tomboys and lesbian characters all the time".
Since gems aren't tomboys or lesbians you just pretty much said that you agree that they're genderless and use male pronouns yet you still seem to refuse to use either male or gender neutral pronouns even though they're correct.

Saying that they look like a girl is not enough of an argument from you, someone's appearance should never be used as a sole base for identifying them unless we're talking about static fanarts without any description provided by artist.

Since you started this discussion you're the one who should try to make others use female pronouns while providing valid reason which you haven't done so far.

Saint_Nepunepu said:
If you can't differentiate between feminine and masculine behavior then maybe you shouldn't even be having this debate, and I said that they have feminine behavior and appearance and voice.

Hakaminah said:
Their voice isn't female in all cases, Female VAs have voiced boys many time yet it doesn't mean that these boys they were voicing were girls just because of it.

Zelev said:
It's probably a different term in Japan, but when you translate it to English we understand it as "he" or "her." English doesn't have a gender-less term, other than "it." However, they are not objects, so obviously you can't call them that.

HxHexa said:

There's clearly the singular 'they', though that sounds unnatural.

Anyways, it's the author's intention to have the gems be ambiguous: Their bottom half is that of a female, while the upper half is that of male. What does this mean? Call them whatever you want. Why should a pronoun in any ways hampers your enjoyment of a show?

Hakaminah said:


Or maybe you could enlighten me instead instead of running away just like @TsundeReaper just did.

Their voice isn't female in all cases, Female VAs have voiced boys many time yet it doesn't mean that these boys they were voicing were girls just because of it.

Since their body type is the same all we can judge is a face which also varies from gem to gem but I already told it so I won't dwell further but I'll leave pic of newly introduced Antarc who is one of the gems that looks like a typical cute boy in medium that is aimed at young girls and to add to it he has boyish voice.


@TsundeReaper since I forgot to mention: short paired with some t-shirt and simple shoes could be labeled as male outfit without problem, it could be sport or summer outfit for both genders without any trouble because their design is so simple.
The hibernation costumes were made solely by Red Beryl who's into fashion, whatever they look like weeding dresses or not is irrelevant.

If all you can say is "irrefutable fact" without justifying it in any way there's nothing to talk about.

If I won't get any solid response from any of you, I won't waste any more of my time in this thread.

jgames111 said:
While I do agree that they are clearly representing female and a tomboy female is still female even if there is make pronoun, but honestly who cares.

TsundeReaper said:


I care, everytime I go in episode threads there's always a few who uses "he", "him" and "his" for them and I am so bothered by it

They're turning this into a political SJW

Swagernator said:
Because it's not polite to call someone "it".

appleribbon said:


This, so much. They're the only ones triggered and being SJW just because the idea of the gems being males makes them so displeased lmao

appleribbon said:


This, so much. They're the only ones triggered and being SJW just because the idea of the gems being males makes them so displeased lmao

Himawari9 said:
People can call them whatever they want to.The author intended for them to use male pronouns and identify themselves as male. Stay true with the author's idea and refer to them as male is nothing wrong.
If you want to call them by "she", remember to call sensei by "she" too since sensei is the same as them.
Only Ventricosus is the true female.

You sounded like one of those Otaku that cannot stand the idea of a show not having girls or is full of males.

TsundeReaper said:
Lol sensei is not a gem smh

Hakaminah said:





source: http://houseki-no-kuni.wikia.com/wiki/Adamant

As far as we know sensei is a gem just like almost any other voiced character in this series which can be possible based on what Antarc said in ep8



maybe it will change in the manga with some plot-twist but for now it stays true.

Feels bad to return here specially since you not only haven't give us any argument as why calling them like girls is more right than anything else but you're also discriminating someone based someone on how many anime she saw which shouldn't be a case in this topic at all.

TsundeReaper said:
The idea of the gems being males is just too cringy

TsundeReaper said:


I care, everytime I go in episode threads there's always a few who uses "he", "him" and "his" for them and I am so bothered by it

They're turning this into a political SJW

LawLLawL said:
By your logic, if you walk out onto the street and watch someone for 5 minutes, doesn't matter if they actually have a dick as long as they look female and act female they're female to you.

You're right, there isn't a discussion to be had. The author refers to them as male, they refer to each other as male, they refer to themselves as male, canonically they are male, to you they are female, must mean they are female. That's literally the logic of revisionists, flat-earthists, conspiracy theorists, and all kinds special snowflakes that are either genuinely retarded or so contrarian they may as well be retarded.

So keen on forcing your opinion on others you sound like the raving leftist SJWs you call other people out for being.

Hakaminah said:


You have to live in very small world. You haven't answered to me pointing out that sensei is a gem at all and again haven't given any real argument. Your "simple logic" is nothing more than your own childish, close-minded opinion.

I'm also not your dude.

Niello said:


You are turning this in an SJW thing more than anyone. Most people don't care what other people call them, and they call the gems whatever they well like. Ironically it's when you force your preference on people, "they look like girls to me so it makes perfect sense for me to call them she. Other people don't see it the same way but I'm gonna force them to use what I want anyway because I'm important and my opinion is correct!". It's shitty SJW kind of action except you aren't even doing this for anything remotely progressive, just pure close mindedness.

Areku2021 said:
TsundeReaper is in the tiny minority that tries to tell others what pronouns to use.
TsundeReaper accuses others of being SJWs.

Hmm...

Anyway, I call most of the Gems "she" except for Sensei and Antarc (who I reflexively call male) and Bort (the only one my primitive lizard brain doesn't immediately assign a gender to), but I'm also fine with everyone calling them whatever they want.

Given the Gems' extremely limited understanding of biological sexes (and no direct experience: Phos didn't even understand what breasts were), I don't put much stock in "they refer to themselves with male pronouns so therefore lean toward male". Physiologically, I find voice to be the single biggest identifying factor in ostensibly-physically-matured adults (again, just talking about my own lizard brain), and in this regard most Gems lean far to the feminine side of genderless.

If English had a natural-sounding (so not "they") gender-neutral third-person singular pronoun that didn't sound disrespectful when applied to a lifeform, I'd happily use that, but it doesn't and so I tend to stick with "she".

As someone who uses "she", I'm ashamed of TC.