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Phendrus said: You might have a point and I will definitely check it out on my NG+ but I still feel that it would've been better if they had incorporated more of it into the main story or at least had made Haru appear more frequently. She didn't receive as much development as the other girls which is a shame considering that there's more to her character than just being a qt gurl (I really liked her Confidant).I'm currently on a NG+ playthrough, and going back through the game, there's actually a LOT of foreshadowing for Okumura, much of which becomes quite obvious if you've already played through his arc once. |
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SuperRed said: Like I said, the difference here is that Jun is a major character in the game, and the Shinjuku dudes are just a insignificantly tiny part of P5. The minors are going to be defined by one trope while the major characters are going to have more writing and characterization going for them. Streotyping minor characters in RPGs will and always happen.PeenusWeenusCaim said: They know how to do LGBT characters. They made Jun and you can romance him in Persona 2.  They made Erica. And although I wouldn't say Kanji is gay, his dungeon showed that Atlus is at least aware of the stereotyping that comes to gays. Aaaand they resort to generic stereotyping in the next big title... like they learned nothing, I heard that Atlus received lots of criticism about Yosuke in P4 being homophobic and how parts of Kani's arc were handled. Christ you need to slow down with the accusations. Do you even know what homophobia is? If Yosuke really was a homophobe, he would have refused to be within 20 feet of Kanji. He'd refuse to talk to him and negatively call him out on anything relating to his sexuality. Yosuke doesn't do this at all within the game. He just calls Kanji and his shadow weird. And it's true, Kanji is weird. His shadow and himself.  The thing is, when you make an RPG, you're always going to have a lot of characters in them. Some minor, some major. Since minor characters are hardly essential to the story, they're always going to be defined by one trait or one trope. I didn't find it funny either but I'm not going to get upset about it. It's a minor joke scene about a sexual encounter in the sex district of Japan. Now if Atlus introduced a major gay character in something like P6 as a social link and characterized him like the Shinjuku dudes, we're going to have a problem. The problem is that when the only depiction of a particular group in media is a negative stereotype, impressionable people who have little experience with said group could take said stereotype as being accurate to real people, and many people irl already think of gay people as weirdos and potential child abusers. |
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| @PeenusWeenusCaim I'm not saying Yosuke as whole is homophobic, but certain things he said can be interpreted as such. Like do you remember when he straight up asked Kanji if he would do anything to him and MC the night they spent in the camp together? How would you like it if a close female friend asked you that same question? I bet you would feel angry and tell her to stop assuming men are prone to assaulting people if they get close. Except the slice of life parts of Persona are played off as being similar to life, it's a Japanese game for Japanese people who are expected to immerse themselves in the society of P5 because it's very similar to their own. Unrealistic and harmful stereotyping is unfitting for a work that tries to explore how complex people really are. |
SuperRed said: Are you fucking serious dude? If I went camping and a moderately attractive girl walked into MY tent with the sole intention of sleeping there, my answer to "Will I be safe sleeping alone with you?" would of course be a big fucking "NO". I'm a man with testosterone jam packed into my bones, brain, and dick. If someone within my sexual preference walked into my tent, alone, to sleep there with me, she can't just not expect my Johny to go out of control. @PeenusWeenusCaim I'm not saying Yosuke as whole is homophobic, but certain things he said can be interpreted as such. Like do you remember when he straight up asked Kanji if he would do anything to him and MC the night they spent in the camp together? How would you like it if a close female friend asked you that same question? I bet you would feel angry and tell her to stop assuming men are prone to assaulting people if they get close. Except the slice of life parts of Persona are played off as being similar to life, it's a Japanese game for Japanese people who are expected to immerse themselves in the society of P5 because it's very similar to their own. Unrealistic and harmful stereotyping is unfitting for a work that tries to explore how complex people really are. And no, while Persona 5 is a slice of life, it is nowhere near close to reality. You don't just suddenly become more charismatic and knowledgeable after eating what is equivalent to eight big macs at McDonalds at a burger joint. Working for a yakuza isn't as easy as going to a gun shop and saying "lol sign me up". There's no way a doctor is going to sell and test illegal, unverified drugs on you, let alone fuck you for wanting to try out her drugs. The "it's going to influence people irl" statement is a tired, failed, and overused argument. People aren't that dumb. People said the same about violence in movies and video games affecting impressionable youths but that has been shown to never happen. And even if you meet a bumbling fuck that's naive enough to let himself get influenced by Japanese anime waifu games, it's not the game that's problematic but rather the idiot himself for being unable to distort reality from fiction. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: Are you fucking serious dude? If I went camping and a moderately attractive girl walked into MY tent with the sole intention of sleeping there, my answer to "Will I be safe sleeping alone with you?" would of course be a big fucking "NO". I'm a man with testosterone jam packed into my bones, brain, and dick. If someone within my sexual preference walked into my tent, alone, to sleep there with me, she can't just not expect my Johny to go out of control. Regardless of your lack of confidence in your personal ability to control your urges, it's an example of misandry to assume men in general have strong sexual urges to assault even their female friends, just like it's homophobia to assume that gay men like Kanji could assault their male friends while they sleep. That's the point. And no, while Persona 5 is a slice of life, it is nowhere near close to reality. You don't just suddenly become more charismatic and knowledgeable after eating what is equivalent to eight big macs at McDonalds at a burger joint. Working for a yakuza isn't as easy as going to a gun shop and saying "lol sign me up". There's no way a doctor is going to sell and test illegal, unverified drugs on you, let alone fuck you for wanting to try out her drugs. I was talking more about the characterization of the cast, and it's treatment of social issues than those little activities. The "it's going to influence people irl" statement is a tired, failed, and overused argument. People aren't that dumb. People said the same about violence in movies and video games affecting impressionable youths but that has been shown to never happen. And even if you meet a bumbling fuck that's naive enough to let himself get influenced by Japanese anime waifu games, it's not the game that's problematic but rather the idiot himself for being unable to distort reality from fiction. I agree that it's ultimately the person's fault for letting a video game decide how you should treat people, but a the writer should try to clearly portray what's ok and what isn't in his/her work just in case someone isn't informed enough to get it. And yes, games can influence people in real life, for better or for worse, if you don't trust me, just google "Persona changed my life" right now and you'll see some examples. The effects can be subtle and very small, but they happen. It influenced you enough to make a forum avatar from it, at least. |
Comic_Sans said: Someone mentioned it before I think but he came off as a scooby doo villain that didn't feel threatening at all. I thought flying through space was awesome and the airlock puzzles weren't too bad.Major123 said: Yeah, I think the Okumura arc would have fit in with the rest of the story better if there had been some sort of foreshadowing.[spoiler]The whole 5th dungeon felt out of place with the entire game, right when they introduced Okumura it came off as generic and not something that was as developed as the villains before him. Kamoshida's arc did a great job at setting the vibe for the entire game and up until the 5th dungeon it stuck with it. The casino and ship make up for it but I wish the villain was more unique. I also thought the "factory to space station design" was pretty fun to explore through. Some people online were saying they had problems doing the puzzles on space parts, like those were pretty easy. The Kamoshida and Madarame arcs didn't have much build up but they didn't need that since they occurred early on in the story. The build up to Kaneshiro's arc was a bit stupid with the whole "Makoto getting into trouble" thing but it still worked since Makoto had been a part of the story since the beginning + Kaneshiro was a good villain. The Futaba arc worked because of Futaba's and the protagonist's mutual connection to Sojiro. The Sae and Shido arcs worked well because both characters had been recurring characters since the beginning and also had ties to important characters in the story. The Okumura arc, however? No build up. He was the dad of a character that had appeared briefly two-three times before and whose name we didn't even know, and that's about it. I don't think his name was mentioned even once in the main story before his arc began. If Haru had appeared more frequently and we had received just a little bit more information about him before the fifth arc then it would probably have fit in better with the rest of the game. The dungeon was still enjoyable though, the airlocks were annoying but I liked flying through space. |
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SuperRed said: No, that's not misandry/misogyny/homophobia at all. It's sound judgement. Imagine you're back in high school. You just got over puberty and your hormones are completely fucked. Now imagine you're bored as fuck, stuck in a tent with nothing to do when suddenly an attractive person within your sexual preference walks in. This person tells you that he or she is going to sleep in this cramped tent with you for a completely arbitrary reason. Do you really think this promiscuous scenario isn't going to carry some sexual tension in it? Do you really think sexual urges aren't going to flare up at all in this situation? Get real dude. If anything, not having the expectation that something sexual is going to happen is homophobic/misogynistic/misandrist because it naively ignores the sexuality and urges that define us and our gendersRegardless of your lack of confidence in your personal ability to control your urges, it's an example of misandry to assume men in general have strong sexual urges to assault even their female friends, just like it's homophobia to assume that gay men like Kanji could assault their male friends while they sleep. That's the point. I was talking more about the characterization of the cast, and it's treatment of social issues than those little activities. Uh, no. Kamoshida may be based on a real person but it didn't take supernatural powers and a band of angry high school kids to get his real life counterpart arrested. The rape victim just reported him to the police and society handled it from there. A girl also doesn't just allow herself to get raped because of a spot in a volleyball team nor does a volleyball team just allow themselves to get physically abused over a year because of an arbitrary reason such as "h-h-he has an olympic medal dude". Nobody acts like Yusuke irl and the plagiarism situation is entirely unrealistic. The whole point doesn't even work anyways since it's explained later in the game that these social issues stem, not from society itself, but because of a holy cup stuck inside a magical metro station at the bottom of the earth.I agree that it's ultimately the person's fault for letting a video game decide how you should treat people, but a the writer should try to clearly portray what's ok and what isn't in his/her work just in case someone isn't informed enough to get it. That's not how it works and you're pulling a false equivalence here. Me liking a game enough to have it as my avatar does not mean it has influenced or changed my life. Before and after Persona 5, I'm still just a dude playing video games. The only thing that's changed is that I played Persona 5 and liked it. Same as the posts that boil down to "I had something bad happen to me but I distracted myself with a video game for a while so said video game has literally changed my life." His life would have "changed" regardless of whatever he chose as long as it distracted him.And yes, games can influence people in real life, for better or for worse, if you don't trust me, just google "Persona changed my life" right now and you'll see some examples. The effects can be subtle and very small, but they happen. It influenced you enough to make a forum avatar from it, at least. That isn't even the point given the context. We are talking about negative influences that change how one thinks and operates in real life. |
PeenusWeenusCaimMay 27, 2017 10:12 PM
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Honestly if an attractive lady type asked me if it was going to be safe for her to sleep around me, alone, I would internally praise her for her consideration. Depending on the circumstances, I would be honest and tell her yes or no. In Persona 4 the group is together. Even when it's just Kanji, Yosuke, and MC, even assuming that Kanji is internally extremely homo, it's still not a 1v1 situation. It's much easier to hold back when another is involved, regardless if they're your type or not. Once Yukiko and Chie come into the picture, that simply adds more people, and the chances of a lucky night greatly diminish even more than before. That all said, it's not as if a person naturally considers all of these things when thinking about "danger". Also Yosuke is kind of just a prick sometimes, doesn't mean he's phobic. |
| This is out of control. About the P5 gay dudes: They were a bad joke. That's it. About Yosuke uneasiness about Kanji: You can take it as being an idiot teenanger. And that fit a lot for Yosuke. About Persona and gay relationships. I am still salty that Yusuke is off the table, that man is worth more than all the P5 & P3 waifus together (Sorry, I love Chie too much). I want to protect him and give him some food my boy needs it. And I say it as a straight man, Atlus made a great job with him I truly felt that he went beyond the "starving artist" troupe and became and incredible character. |
Major123 said: Yeah, I agree with that, and I think he probably would've felt slightly less like a cartoon villain if there had been some sort of development/foreshadowing before.Someone mentioned it before I think but he came off as a scooby doo villain that didn't feel threatening at all. I thought flying through space was awesome and the airlock puzzles weren't too bad. SilverDio said: I really hope Atlus will add the option and other gay dating option) in the inevitable Persona 5 remake despite the backlash it might receive from homophobes. It would even fit well with the theme of breaking free from society's chains.About Persona and gay relationships. I am still salty that Yusuke is off the table, that man is worth more than all the P5 & P3 waifus together (Sorry, I love Chie too much). I want to protect him and give him some food my boy needs it. And I say it as a straight man, Atlus made a great job with him I truly felt that he went beyond the "starving artist" troupe and became and incredible character. |
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SilverDio said: idk manAbout Persona and gay relationships. I am still salty that Yusuke is off the table, that man is worth more than all the P5 & P3 waifus together. Yusuke is too pure, too beautiful for us. He's almost like a high class painting in an art museum, available for everyone to see and admire but not to be touched because of how filthy we are. It'd feel wrong making him romanceable, just like how it'd feel wrong making Nanako romanceable.  I could get down with romancing Iwai though. Single dads struggling to raise their kid is hot. |
PeenusWeenusCaimMay 28, 2017 4:27 AM
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| I ship Yusuke with Futaba. Their banter is hilarious. I wouldn't romance futaba though. I feel the protag is more like a brother to her. That being said, i'm salty that i only realized the benefits of Kawakami as a confidant shortly before i stopped going to school. Plus i can call her home with a maid outfit and tease her. I love the doc also (Takemi) . I find her past interesting. |
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| don't know why people are so angry because there are no lgbt option isn't the dick monster enough no seriously if the maker of the game don't want that why will he add it the game sold well he don't have to add anything and many girl play this game and most of them don't complain about no having a female protagonist to be able to date the dudes so why should the gay guys complain they are just being stupid. p5 have its own stories and they want to change it because look at me i am gay i can't stand seeing a game without a gay relationship u don't like that don't play .the ones who want lgbt in this game are being just being selfish without mentioning that many player would be turned of by lgbt in this game making the sales decrease and i don't think a phobia of straightr elationship exist |
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I have now finished the game and... well, this basically sums up my feelings in a nutshell 10/10 THANK YOU based Atlus for this wonderful game. I will definitely do a new game plus run sometime in the future but for now I will concentrate on other forms of entertainment media. MAX confidants ranked (excluding the automatic ones): Empress > Sun = Emperor > Hermit = Moon > Death > Temperance > Priestess > Fortune > Star > Lovers > Strength Automatic confidants: Justice > Judgement > Magician > Fool Non maxed out confidants: Hierophant (7) > Hanged Man (3) > Chariot (7) > Tower (2) > Devil (5) Palaces: Casino > Museum > Cruise > Pyramid > Bank > Castle > Depths of Mementos > Space Station > Mementos Palace themes: Whims of Fate = Ark > Price > A Woman > Freedom and Security = When Mother Was There > King, Queen, And Slaves > Sweatshop > Mementos Costumes: Haru > Yusuke = Protagonist > Goro > Futaba > Ann > Makoto > Ryuji > Morgana Finishing touches: Goro > Haru > Morgana > Ann > Yusuke > Protagonist > Makoto > Ryuji I'm already looking forward to all of the inevitable spin offs |
Comic_SansJun 7, 2017 7:19 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: TriggeredNon maxed out confidants: Hierophant(7) y u do dis, he's a better bro than Dojima |
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| I wanted to prioritize Chihaya, Kawakami and Yoshida + I didn't max out my kindness stats fast enough I will definitely max him out on my next playthrough though |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Does Akechi remind you all of Light Yagami from Death Note except with taller hair ? Lol they even have similar evil smiles |
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| @kikyo1hinamora don't know why people are so angry because there are no lgbt option isn't the dick monster enough Are you implying that gay people are literal chariot penis monsters? What did they teach you in sex ed?no seriously if the maker of the game don't want that why will he add it the game sold well he don't have to add anything and many girl play this game and most of them don't complain about no having a female protagonist to be able to date the dudes so why should the gay guys complain they are just being stupid. p5 have its own stories and they want to change it because look at me i am gay i can't stand seeing a game without a gay relationship u don't like that don't play .the ones who want lgbt in this game are being just being selfish without mentioning that many player would be turned of by lgbt in this game making the sales decrease and i don't think a phobia of straightr elationship exist Persona 4 Golden was also (arguably) unnecessary, yet that didn't stop the creators from creating a brand new version of the original game with fresh content that they initially didn't think of adding/didn't want to add. Adding new content obviously wasn't a problem back in 2012, so why would it be now? Clearly there is a certain demand for female protagonists and LGBT characters, otherwise Jun Kurosu, Maya Amano, the female protagonist of P3P, Kanji and thousands of gay sausagery doujins/fanart/fanfics wouldn't have existed. Or what, are you going to tell me that Atlus went through the trouble of creating the female route of P3P just 4 da lulz? That's not how capitalism works. How much of an impact can you honestly say that dating every single girl in Persona 5 (or 3/4, for that matter) had on the main story? It didn't. Why would dating a character of the same sex as the protagonist be any different? It's not like the game would be forcing you to date guys. Nobody (except for some minority quota shills) is talking about "not wanting to see a single game without a gay character" or saying that the story should revolve all around a certain character's homosexuality. This is a straw man. "Don't like it don't X it" isn't an argument. By that logic, you shouldn't have the right to voice your opinion on people requesting same sex dating in Persona 5 because, well, nobody's forcing you to read their comments. I could argue that you're being selfish because you want to deprive people of more dating options while offering no arguments against that other than "I don't like it". Neon Genesis Evangelion Sailor Moon Shōjo Kakumei Utena Super Dangan Ronpa 2 All of these are still immensely popular to this day, despite being Japanese and featuring – brace yourself – gay homosexuals. Japan needs catching up when it comes to LGBT shit, but to claim that featuring gays in any form of entertainment media instantly causes a massive outcry in Japan is retarded. Atlus have also featured LGBT characters in their games before Erica Anderson Jun Kurosu Kanji Tatsumi (arguably) The next time you want to argue against same sex dating in video games, try bringing actual arguments to the table instead of claims that have no scientific basis and "I don't like it"-ery. |
Comic_SansMay 28, 2017 3:04 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I wouldn't use Erica as a good example. They used her change for a punchline. |
SilverDio said: It is still something. There were little hints about it scattered throughout the story and they also didn't try to portray her in a negative light. The point was mainly that Atlus have included LGBT characters before and that it's not like they are completely foreign to the idea.I wouldn't use Erica as a good example. They used her change for a punchline. DragonSlayer_19 said: It's funny how you say that considering that Akechi's Japanese VA also voices Kira YamatoDoes Akechi remind you all of Light Yagami from Death Note except with taller hair ? Lol they even have similar evil smiles |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
OtakuOne said: DragonSlayer_19 said: I wouldn't romance futaba though. Futaba is the best hacker loli you could ask for. Why wouldn't you try to rape hug her tightly and pat her on the head and slowly kiss her and get dat pussy? Nah I'd much rather have the doc give me a "thorough examination" |
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Comic_Sans said: u really didn't understood what i wanted to say@kikyo1hinamora don't know why people are so angry because there are no lgbt option isn't the dick monster enough Are you implying that gay people are literal chariot penis monsters? What did they teach you in sex ed?no seriously if the maker of the game don't want that why will he add it the game sold well he don't have to add anything and many girl play this game and most of them don't complain about no having a female protagonist to be able to date the dudes so why should the gay guys complain they are just being stupid. p5 have its own stories and they want to change it because look at me i am gay i can't stand seeing a game without a gay relationship u don't like that don't play .the ones who want lgbt in this game are being just being selfish without mentioning that many player would be turned of by lgbt in this game making the sales decrease and i don't think a phobia of straightr elationship exist Persona 4 Golden was also (arguably) unnecessary, yet that didn't stop the creators from creating a brand new version of the original game with fresh content that they initially didn't think of adding/didn't want to add. Adding new content obviously wasn't a problem back in 2012, so why would it be now? Clearly there is a certain demand for female protagonists and LGBT characters, otherwise Jun Kurosu, Maya Amano, the female protagonist of P3P, Kanji and thousands of gay sausagery doujins/fanart/fanfics wouldn't have existed. Or what, are you going to tell me that Atlus went through the trouble of creating the female route of P3P just 4 da lulz? That's not how capitalism works. How much of an impact can you honestly say that dating every single girl in Persona 5 (or 3/4, for that matter) had on the main story? It didn't. Why would dating a character of the same sex as the protagonist be any different? It's not like the game would be forcing you to date guys. Nobody (except for some minority quota shills) is talking about "not wanting to see a single game without a gay character" or saying that the story should revolve all around a certain character's homosexuality. This is a straw man. "Don't like it don't X it" isn't an argument. By that logic, you shouldn't have the right to voice your opinion on people requesting same sex dating in Persona 5 because, well, nobody's forcing you to read their comments. I could argue that you're being selfish because you want to deprive people of more dating options while offering no arguments against that other than "I don't like it". Neon Genesis Evangelion Sailor Moon Shōjo Kakumei Utena Super Dangan Ronpa 2 All of these are still immensely popular to this day, despite being Japanese and featuring – brace yourself – gay homosexuals. Japan needs catching up when it comes to LGBT shit, but to claim that featuring gays in any form of entertainment media instantly causes a massive outcry in Japan is retarded. Atlus have also featured LGBT characters in their games before Erica Anderson Jun Kurosu Kanji Tatsumi (arguably) The next time you want to argue against same sex dating in video games, try bringing actual arguments to the table instead of claims that have no scientific basis and "I don't like it"-ery. |
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kikyo1hinamora said: Yes I did, and what you had to say was easy to debunk, that's why you don't have any sort of rebuttal in store other than "you just don't understand me man".u really didn't understood what i wanted to say |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: kikyo1hinamora said: Yes I did, and what you had to say was easy to debunk, that's why you don't have any sort of rebuttal in store other than "you just don't understand me man".u really didn't understood what i wanted to say all i wanted to say that those gay guy have no right to call the maker homophobic since he at least putted soe gay character in some of the games 2 why do they complain so much if girls barely do that 3 the maker already take in consideration many request so hey don't have to make all this nose for that one missed request 4 this game will be turned into an anime probably where dating actually affect the story so if for example the game actually was made with a gay dating option they will have two chose in the anime if they will be taking the mc as straight or gay and in both way this will cause a lot of anger so if they stay with the straight dating in the game one choice will be present the mc will be straight in the anime so no rage since he is like that in the game 5 which is obvious when the game was made the mc in the story was plan to be straight 6 this is like asking why in shuffle ,rewrite,..... vn there are no gay route |
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kikyo1hinamora said: "Accusing someone of being homophobic" and "wanting gay dating options in a video game" are two different things. Try again.all i wanted to say that those gay guy have no right to call the maker homophobic since he at least putted soe gay character in some of the games 2 why do they complain so much if girls barely do that 3 the maker already take in consideration many request so hey don't have to make all this nose for that one missed request 4 this game will be turned into an anime probably where dating actually affect the story so if for example the game actually was made with a gay dating option they will have two chose in the anime if they will be taking the mc as straight or gay and in both way this will cause a lot of anger so if they stay with the straight dating in the game one choice will be present the mc will be straight in the anime so no rage since he is like that in the game 5 which is obvious when the game was made the mc in the story was plan to be straight 6 this is like asking why in shuffle ,rewrite,..... vn there are no gay route You didn't read my post, did you? I just told you that yes, there is a demand for female protagonists and LGBT characters and explained why that is the case. Until you have managed to come up with proof that shows that Persona 2, Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 don't exist, I will consider your arguments null and void. Why is this specific request unnecessary? Once again you provide no arguments. Neither adaptations of the previous games had the main character choose a love interest. There is no reason to believe that they wouldn't choose to adapt Persona 5 the same way. The protagonist of Persona 4 wasn't able to hang out with Adchee in the original game either, and yet they still went and added his social link in Persona 4 Golden. Comparing apples to basketballs isn't going to get you anywhere. Rewrite is a different type of game and has a different target audience than Persona 5. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: u can't readkikyo1hinamora said: "Accusing someone of being homophobic" and "wanting gay dating options in a video game" are two different things. Try again.all i wanted to say that those gay guy have no right to call the maker homophobic since he at least putted soe gay character in some of the games 2 why do they complain so much if girls barely do that 3 the maker already take in consideration many request so hey don't have to make all this nose for that one missed request 4 this game will be turned into an anime probably where dating actually affect the story so if for example the game actually was made with a gay dating option they will have two chose in the anime if they will be taking the mc as straight or gay and in both way this will cause a lot of anger so if they stay with the straight dating in the game one choice will be present the mc will be straight in the anime so no rage since he is like that in the game 5 which is obvious when the game was made the mc in the story was plan to be straight 6 this is like asking why in shuffle ,rewrite,..... vn there are no gay route You didn't read my post, did you? I just told you that yes, there is a demand for female protagonists and LGBT characters and explained why that is the case. Until you have managed to come up with proof that shows that Persona 2, Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 don't exist, I will consider your arguments null and void. Why is this specific request unnecessary? Once again you provide no arguments. Neither adaptations of the previous games had the main character choose a love interest. There is no reason to believe that they wouldn't choose to adapt Persona 5 the same way. The protagonist of Persona 4 wasn't able to hang out with Adchee in the original game either, and yet they still went and added his social link in Persona 4 Golden. Comparing apples to basketballs isn't going to get you anywhere. Rewrite is a different type of game and has a different target audience than Persona 5. 1 when did i say it was the same thing i was just pointing on some action people did against the maker 2 even if there are a demand for female protagonist by the girls side still their complaint was not like the lgbt dating option request 3 when did i sad it was an unnecessary request i wanted to say that people should be glad that the maker take in consideration many requests already not like many other video game maker that barely care so they should not get that angry for this missing request 4 the one that made the video game can never be sure how the adaptation may be so their will be always a chance for the mc to chose a love interest in the new season 5 is adachi gay don't think so 6 if u say that that will not mean u are right. and i am pretty sure the both have the same targeted audience u just can not understand what u read .and all ur anti arguments were illogical or pointless the guy made a story he invented their characters and made the mc straight very easy the complaint on not having gay dating option is as stupid as the complaint on why didn't the tokyo ghoul mc become couple with his friend . like really it is a story . |
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| I just finished the game. It got bittersweet toward the end, but ending with final boss was badass. Also liked the credits playing past memories and scenes. 10/10 I want more! Maybe start a NG+ Best Boys : Protagonist (Joker) > Ryuji > Yusuke > Akechi > Sojiro Best Girls : Ann > Makoto > Takemi > Futaba > Sae > Hifumi > Kawakami > Haru Best Villains : Akechi > Final Boss > Shido > Kamoshida (Hilarious fuckboi with pink panties) > Madarame > Kaneshiro > Okumura Favorite Dungeon : Casino > Money Palace > Shido ship > final dungeon > Temple > Kamoshida palace > Madarame palace > Okumura palace |
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SilverDio said: Brojiro [internally] wants you to date Futaba though. She's also just a year younger than Potter-kun. I think it's fine.If you are able to date Futaba, you must be a sick bastard that would date Nanako as Yu once she is old enough. Freaking monsters. Nanako though is off-limits.  |
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SilverDio said: All she says to Toby is that he's gone past the point of no return. They formed a relationship and had sex. They can't undo the experience.I wouldn't use Erica as a good example. They used her change for a punchline. I really don't think her saying that devalues her as a transgender character. |
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| I'm pretty sure this wasn't intentionally but the OST is great to listen to when randomly browsing the internet. Shit is chill af |
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| @kikyo1hinamora u can't read I am not "people", I am Comic_Sans and I have never accused Atlus of being homophobic. In fact, I have even defended them multiple times in this thread, so don't use that argument against me.1 when did i say it was the same thing i was just pointing on some action people did against the maker Those complaints also do not account for the majority of gay dating option requests. 2 even if there are a demand for female protagonist by the girls side still their complaint was not like the lgbt dating option request So a few posts ago you were claiming that there was too small of a demand for Atlus to create a female protagonist and all of a sudden you're saying the opposite. Odd, that.Again, if there was no demand whatsoever for including a same sex dating option in the Persona series, then how do you explain the existence of Jun Kurosu and the fact that the female P3 protagonist was able to date multiple female characters? 3 when did i sad it was an unnecessary request i wanted to say that people should be glad that the maker take in consideration many requests already not like many other video game maker that barely care so they should not get that angry for this missing request Why shouldn't people have the right to feel disappointed when something they requested wasn't included in the game?4 the one that made the video game can never be sure how the adaptation may be so their will be always a chance for the mc to chose a love interest in the new season You clearly don't understand how capitalism works. When adapting a video game that is similar to Persona 3-5, you have to be tactical in order to maximize your profits. The most logical solution would thus be to:A) Make the protagonist date no one in order not to upset any one because "their" waifu wasn't chosen or B) Make the protagonist date the most popular waifu (in Persona 5's case, they would probably go with Makoto) in order to please the majority. So far, all Persona adaptation creators have chosen to go with A, and the potential future creators of the Persona 5 adaptation will probably do it the same way. And even they were to go with option B, the chances of making the main character choose a love interest of the same sex would be minimal. 5 is adachi gay don't think so Adachi's sexuality is of irrelevancy. The point is that in the original game the player wasn't given the choice to hang out with Adachi, even less let the protagonist sympathize with him to the point that you decide to cover up all of his crimes, but in Persona 4 Golden, you were given the choice to become a sociopath sympathizer.The protagonist of Persona 5 is what you make of him to be. You might only be able to date girls, but you can choose to stay true to one waifu, to stick your penis into every single one of the available dating objects (including your teacher and a languid doctor) or to prioritize bros over hoes and not date anyone at all. You have the freedom of choice. And much like Atlus doesn't force you to date only one, every single one or none of the girls, they wouldn't be forcing you to become gay even if they added one or multiple gay dating options. You would still have the choice to be as straight as an arrow. 6 if u say that that will not mean u are right. and i am pretty sure the both have the same targeted audience The Rewrite audience might be a part of the Persona audience, but the Persona audience isn't a part of the Rewrite audience. Rewrite's fanbase is overwhelmingly male while the Persona fanbase is more diverse and has a rather strong female fanbase – the inclusion of a female route in Persona 3 Portable being proof of that.u just can not understand what u read .and all ur anti arguments were illogical or pointless Simply saying that someone's arguments are illogical or pointless isn't an argument.the guy made a story he invented their characters and made the mc straight very easy the complaint on not having gay dating option is as stupid as the complaint on why didn't the tokyo ghoul mc become couple with his friend . Tokyo Phoul is of complete irrelevancy. We're talking about the Persona series and the Persona series only.like really it is a story . |
Comic_SansMay 29, 2017 2:06 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: again proving ur stupidity@kikyo1hinamora u can't read I am not "people", I am Comic_Sans and I have never accused Atlus of being homophobic. In fact, I have even defended them multiple times in this thread, so don't use that argument against me.1 when did i say it was the same thing i was just pointing on some action people did against the maker Those complaints also do not account for the majority of gay dating option requests. 2 even if there are a demand for female protagonist by the girls side still their complaint was not like the lgbt dating option request So a few posts ago you were claiming that there was too small of a demand for Atlus to create a female protagonist and all of a sudden you're saying the opposite. Odd, that.Again, if there was no demand whatsoever for including a same sex dating option in the Persona series, then how do you explain the existence of Jun Kurosu and the fact that the female P3 protagonist was able to date multiple female characters? 3 when did i sad it was an unnecessary request i wanted to say that people should be glad that the maker take in consideration many requests already not like many other video game maker that barely care so they should not get that angry for this missing request Why shouldn't people have the right to feel disappointed when something they requested wasn't included in the game?4 the one that made the video game can never be sure how the adaptation may be so their will be always a chance for the mc to chose a love interest in the new season You clearly don't understand how capitalism works. When adapting a video game that is similar to Persona 3-5, you have to be tactical in order to maximize profits. The most logical solution would thus be to:A) Make the protagonist date no one in order not to upset any one because "their" waifu wasn't chosen or B) Make the protagonist date the most popular waifu (in Persona 5's case, they would probably go with Makoto) in order to please the majority. So far, all Persona adaptation creators have chosen to go with A, and the potential future creators of the Persona 5 adaptation will probably do it the same way. And even they were to go with option B, the chances of making the main character choose a love interest of the same sex would be minimal. 5 is adachi gay don't think so Adachi's sexuality is of irelevancy. The point is that in the original game the player wasn't given the choice to hang out with Adachi, even less let the protagonist sympathize with him to the point that you decide to cover up all of his crimes, but in Persona 4 Golden, you were given the choice to become a sociopath sympathizer.The protagonist of Persona 5 is what you make of him to be. You might only be able to date girls, but you can choose to stay true to one waifu, to stick your penis into every single one of the available dating objects (including your teacher and a languid doctor) or to prioritize bros over hoes and not date anyone at all. You have the freedom of choice. And much like Atlus doesn't force you to date only one, every single one or none of the girls, they wouldn't be forcing you to become gay even if they added one or multiple gay dating options. You would still have the choice to be as straight as an arrow. 6 if u say that that will not mean u are right. and i am pretty sure the both have the same targeted audience The Rewrite audience might be a part of the Persona audience, but the Persona audience isn't a part of the Rewrite audience. Rewrite's fanbase is overwhelmingly male while the Persona fanbase is more diverse and has a rather strong female fanbase – the inclusion of a female route in Persona 3 Portable being proof of that.u just can not understand what u read .and all ur anti arguments were illogical or pointless Simply saying that someone's arguments are illogical or pointless isn't an argument.the guy made a story he invented their characters and made the mc straight very easy the complaint on not having gay dating option is as stupid as the complaint on why didn't the tokyo ghoul mc become couple with his friend . Tokyo Phoul is of complete irrelevancy. We're talking about the Persona series and the Persona series only.like really it is a story . 1 that wasn't even an argument and even if it was it had nothing to do with u or u being one of the people that accuse the maker of being homophobic i was only clarifying what i wanted to say so how did u even reach this conclusion 2 what i sad can not be the opposite of what i sad before it. saying girls barely do that was true there are a big request but the complaint isn't big especially if we compare it to the complaint of the people wanting lgbt options in the game 3 their are a big deference between being disappointed and express it with anger and being just disappointed without showing publicly that anger in such way 4 so following the b option will support exactly what i sad 5 so let me explain if they put a gay dating option that will mean the mc can be chose to be straight ,bi or gay ok when adapting the anime even if he don't choose a love interest so the a option they will have to chose if he will be straight or gay anyway because that character will show up anyway in many circumstances (like in the beach ep)so if they choose to make him straight the gay people will get angry and if the opposite happen the straight people will get angry adding adachi as an option to hang out with wouldn't make anybody angry in fact it would make all the people happy 6 again gay option will affect the story or the audience point of view and reaction against the adaptation 7 that wasn't an argument in the first place this was criticism or a thesis 8 are u serious it was an example a fucking a example to compare since they have the same situation so what came to ur mind when u sad"Tokyo Ghoul has nothing to do with this." so it just look that u are starting to throw word without thinking |
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Major123 said: There's no way they made this without the purpose of making it comfy.I'm pretty sure this wasn't intentionally but the OST is great to listen to when randomly browsing the internet. Shit is chill af It's just too perfect. Makes me want to lay in bed under the covers during a rainy day with nothing to do but shitpost on the internet. |
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| @kikyo1hinamora again proving ur stupidity But the majority of people who want gay dating options in Persona games do so without accusing the creators of being homophobes. What you're doing is equivalent to multiculturalists who only choose to focus on ctrl + alt righters who want a literal race war while ignoring the rest of the very valid criticism.1 that wasn't even an argument and even if it was it had nothing to do with u or u being one of the people that accuse the maker of being homophobic i was only clarifying what i wanted to say so how did u even reach this conclusion 2 what i sad can not be the opposite of what i sad before it. Let's take a look at what you wrote in your initial post:saying girls barely do that was true there are a big request but the complaint isn't big especially if we compare it to the complaint of the people wanting lgbt options in the game and many girl play this game and most of them don't complain about no having a female protagonist to be able to date the dudes so why should the gay guys complain they are just being stupid. The implication here is more or less that "women (although it would be more correct to say "people", as – believe it or not – women aren't the only ones who don't mind female protagonist in games either) don't demand a female protagonist, so gays (again, the same applies here) shouldn't demand gay dating options". And yet, as I have shown you before, there is clearly a demand for both the former and the latter. Or what, do you think all of those steamy gay sausagery doujins and fanfics out there just appear magically out of nowhere?3 their are a big deference between being disappointed and express it with anger What are you even on about? Most people who want to be able to date characters of the same gender as the protagonist express their opinion without being overly angry.and being just disappointed without showing publicly that anger in such way 4 so following the b option will support exactly what i sad No, it doesn't, because choosing option A is always the best option if you're adapting a game like Persona 5 and you want as high of a chance as possible to maximize profits and Makoto (who is already datable) is the most popular character overall apart from the protagonist, so going with option B would only result in her becoming the love interest of the main character.5 so let me explain if they put a gay dating option that will mean the mc can be chose to be straight ,bi or gay ok And who's saying the creators have to explicitly state a character's sexuality in order for the story to work? Yusuke's sexuality is never adressed one single time in the game and he could be interpreted as both a full-blown gay/bisexual or just a flamboyant art dude. A dating option wouldn't change a thing because it would still come down to the player's choice in the game whether they choose to make him gay or not. Ambiguity is key.when adapting the anime even if he don't choose a love interest so the a option they will have to chose if he will be straight or gay anyway because that character will show up anyway in many circumstances (like in the beach ep)so if they choose to make him straight the gay people will get angry and if the opposite happen the straight people will get angry adding adachi as an option to hang out with wouldn't make anybody angry in fact it would make all the people happy 6 again gay option will affect the story or the audience point of view and reaction against the adaptation Neon Genesis Evangelion Sailor Moon Shōjo Kakumei Utena Super Dangan Ronpa 2 All of these are still immensely popular to this day, despite being Japanese and featuring – brace yourself – gay homosexuals. Japan needs catching up when it comes to LGBT shit, but to claim that featuring gays in any form of entertainment media instantly causes a massive outcry in Japan is retarded. Atlus have also featured LGBT characters in their games before Erica Anderson Jun Kurosu Kanji Tatsumi (arguably) 7 that wasn't an argument in the first place this was criticism or a thesis You're right, it's all mindless rambling and zero substance.8 are u serious it was an example a fucking a example to compare since they have the same situation so what came to ur mind when u sad"Tokyo Ghoul has nothing to do with this." No, they don't. Tokyo Phoul is a mango for teenage edge lords where the readers might be able to shape the choices a little bit but the ultimate choices always come down to the writer. Persona 5 is a JRPG where the choices are shaped by the writer but many of the ultimate decisions are left for the player to make.so it just look that u are starting to throw word without thinking So I am the one who "throw word without thinking" and yet, you can't form one coherent sentence in English. I suggest you wipe your own arse before you start accusing others of not cleaning up their shit. |
Comic_SansMay 29, 2017 2:19 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: those arguments are shittier than the ones before i will probably answer them tomorrow today i saw enough shit @kikyo1hinamora again proving ur stupidity But the majority of people who want gay dating options in Persona games do so without accusing the creators of being homophobes. What you're doing is equivalent to multiculturalists who only choose to focus on ctrl + alt righters who want a literal race war while ignoring the rest of the very valid criticism.1 that wasn't even an argument and even if it was it had nothing to do with u or u being one of the people that accuse the maker of being homophobic i was only clarifying what i wanted to say so how did u even reach this conclusion 2 what i sad can not be the opposite of what i sad before it. Let's take a look at what you wrote in your initial post:saying girls barely do that was true there are a big request but the complaint isn't big especially if we compare it to the complaint of the people wanting lgbt options in the game and many girl play this game and most of them don't complain about no having a female protagonist to be able to date the dudes so why should the gay guys complain they are just being stupid. The implication here is more or less that "women (although it would be more correct to say "people", as – believe it or not – women aren't the only ones who don't mind female protagonist in games either) don't demand a female protagonist, so gays (again, the same applies here) shouldn't demand gay dating options". And yet, as I have shown you before, there is clearly a demand for both the former and the latter. Or what, do you think all of those steamy gay sausagery doujins and fanfics out there just appear magically out of nowhere?3 their are a big deference between being disappointed and express it with anger What are you even on about? Most people who want to be able to date characters of the same gender as the protagonist express their opinion without being overly angry.and being just disappointed without showing publicly that anger in such way 4 so following the b option will support exactly what i sad No, they wouldn't, because choosing option A is always the best option if you're adapting a game like Persona 5 and you want as high of a chance as possible to maximize profits.5 so let me explain if they put a gay dating option that will mean the mc can be chose to be straight ,bi or gay ok And who's saying the creators have to explicitly state a character's sexuality in order for the story to work? Yusuke's sexuality is never adressed one single time in the game and he could be interpreted as both a full-blown gay/bisexual or just a flamboyant art dude. A dating option wouldn't change a thing because it would still come down to the player's choice in the game whether they choose to make him gay or not. Ambiguity is key.when adapting the anime even if he don't choose a love interest so the a option they will have to chose if he will be straight or gay anyway because that character will show up anyway in many circumstances (like in the beach ep)so if they choose to make him straight the gay people will get angry and if the opposite happen the straight people will get angry adding adachi as an option to hang out with wouldn't make anybody angry in fact it would make all the people happy 6 again gay option will affect the story or the audience point of view and reaction against the adaptation Neon Genesis Evangelion Sailor Moon Shōjo Kakumei Utena Super Dangan Ronpa 2 All of these are still immensely popular to this day, despite being Japanese and featuring – brace yourself – gay homosexuals. Japan needs catching up when it comes to LGBT shit, but to claim that featuring gays in any form of entertainment media instantly causes a massive outcry in Japan is retarded. Atlus have also featured LGBT characters in their games before Erica Anderson Jun Kurosu Kanji Tatsumi (arguably) 7 that wasn't an argument in the first place this was criticism or a thesis You're right, it's just mindless rambling and no substance.8 are u serious it was an example a fucking a example to compare since they have the same situation so what came to ur mind when u sad"Tokyo Ghoul has nothing to do with this." No, they aren't. Tokyo Phoul is a mango for teenage edge lords where the readers might be able to shape the choices a little bit but the ultimate choices always come down to the writer. Persona 5 is a JRPG where the choices are shaped by the writer but many of the ultimate decisions are left for the player to make.so it just look that u are starting to throw word without thinking So I am the one who "throw word without thinking" and yet, you can't form one coherent sentence in English. I suggest you wipe your own arse before you start accusing others of not cleaning up their shit. |
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| @kikyo1hinamora those arguments are shittier than the ones before i will probably answer them tomorrow today i saw enough shit So you need to spend the whole night thinking in order to debunk arguments that, according to you, are "shittier than the ones before" (which you didn't even manage to debunk). Lolok |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: not really now it is 12 00;00 in the night where i live and i have to watch an anime ep before sleeping that if the shitty internet make the streaming possible if it doesn't i will have to stay on mal for 30 min before sleeping and i have to enjoy them by seeing quality of shittposting not like yours@kikyo1hinamora those arguments are shittier than the ones before i will probably answer them tomorrow today i saw enough shit So you need to spend the whole night thinking in order to debunk arguments that, according to you, are "shittier than the ones before" (which you didn't even manage to debunk). Lolokcan u quote that again i won't remember answering if i don't see a notification |
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| Lol now that i finished the game, I'm so hooked on the OST. I particularly like this one. Also near the end i realized Sojiro is a kinky bastard lol |
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| @DragonSlayer_19 Also near the end i realized Sojiro is a kinky bastard lol Lmao I noticed that too, he was probably young during the end of the 70s-beginning of the 80s.I can't believe I didn't focus more on raising my kindness stats and get past that social link barrier instead of wasting time on that journalist chick |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Lol especially with that eye brow raise with smirk expression showing confidence in his young days. @Comic_Sans For me, I actually wish i leveled my charm more cause it obstructed my ranking of makoto as confidant . Generally, I found myself leveling up in Knowledge, proficiency, and guts faster than kindness and charm. I'm a bit salty also i never finished first in class exams lol there's an achievement for it. |
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DragonSlayer_19 said: Knowledge was definitely the easiest one for me, I reached max level after only the second or third exam. Charm and guts were also fairly easy, however, I had to work hard in order to max out my proficiency and kindness + spend time with and max out as many confidants as possible so I ended up neclicting my guts and eventually I only got to level 4. It shouldn't be too difficult to max out my gut stats in a short amount of time during NG+ though since I don't have to waste time worrying about any of the other stats.@Comic_Sans For me, I actually wish i leveled my charm more cause it obstructed my ranking of makoto as confidant . Generally, I found myself leveling up in Knowledge, proficiency, and guts faster than kindness and charm. I'm a bit salty also i never finished first in class exams lol there's an achievement for it. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Took a break from it for awhile and now I cant set it down lol Currently on 8/30. Not putting it down til I platinum it either :) ALSO Futaba is best girl. Makoto is second. Fight me about it. |
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PeenusWeenusCaim said: This is just too good.Major123 said: There's no way they made this without the purpose of making it comfy.I'm pretty sure this wasn't intentionally but the OST is great to listen to when randomly browsing the internet. Shit is chill af It's just too perfect. Makes me want to lay in bed under the covers during a rainy day with nothing to do but shitpost on the internet. |
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| nice, everyone got the game except me! I havent brought p5, yet. I'm not sure when i'll get the game! Huhuhuhu..! |
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| It's good but not as good as this I don't know what that high pitched instrument they're playing is called but it makes me want to shitpost all day long. |
Comic_SansMay 30, 2017 5:32 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
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