earthanime said: Disagree with respectable female but I agree with not many amazing female protoganist which is complex and unique compare to male character like male characters such as -Light Yagami (Death Note) -Makishima Shogo (Psycho-Pass) -Emiya Kiritsugu (Fate zero) -Hikikaya Hachiman (Oregairu) -Acceralator (Toaru Series) -Kaiki Deishuu (Monogatari Series) -Oreki Houtarou (Hyouka) I find a few female can be this unique type of character like those character, even a top favourite female character like Makise Kurusu, Tachibana Kanade, Aisaka Taiga, Yuuki Asuna for me are kinda bland IMO sure they are not bad but overall nothing really complex or unique about these characters. Still there are some female character that was quiet complex and unique which are top favourite anime character IMO such as -Holo (Spice and Wolf) -Akemi Homura (Madoka "Rebellion") -Ryougi Shiki (Kara no Kyoukai) -Senjougahara Hitagi (Monogatari Series) -Sakura Kyoko (Madoka The Different Story) Especially if we are talking about female protoganist that being anti-hero or anti-villian, they are hardly to find these type of female character in anime. Complex protagonists? More like, protagonists who spout bullshit philosophy. Except Oreki Houtarou. He is just a typical "brilliant but lazy" guy. |
Kenna_Pyralis said: flannan said: @Kenna_Pyralis - why aren't you answering any good posts, yet keep quarreling with @Kruszer ? Whats the point of answering posts that either agree with me or deliver a slight variation of what I have said? Its better to educate the ones who defend Otaku bait shows who truly believe that That archetypes and Moe blobs are respectable characters. You do not argue with like minded people, you argue with people who challenge or insult your opinion which is what @Kruszer is doing. In order to be qualified to teach you have to understand the material though, which you clearly don't. |
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Kruszer said: In what way do I not understand the material I am preaching about? Don't tell me you are one of the guys who makes 100% of assumptions based of the anime I have watched instead of the points and the arguments I am putting forward.Kenna_Pyralis said: Whats the point of answering posts that either agree with me or deliver a slight variation of what I have said? Its better to educate the ones who defend Otaku bait shows who truly believe that That archetypes and Moe blobs are respectable characters. You do not argue with like minded people, you argue with people who challenge or insult your opinion which is what @Kruszer is doing. In order to be qualified to teach you have to understand the material though, which you clearly don't. |
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Kenna_Pyralis said: Kruszer said: In what way do I not understand the material I am preaching about? Don't tell me you are one of the guys who makes 100% of assumptions based of the anime I have watched instead of the points and the arguments I am putting forward.In order to be qualified to teach you have to understand the material though, which you clearly don't. I did not bother exploring your profile thoroughly, and I'm mostly basing my responses on what you have said. I did see that you have seen quite a number of different anime, so it can't be that you're talking from lack of experience. This leaves three possible reasons: 1) Ill intent (aka "trolling", "baiting" and so on). 2) Screwed-up perception that does not allow you to properly evaluate what you see. 3) Not taking your time to properly think things through. Kenna_Pyralis said: In what way do I not understand the material I am preaching about? Well, basically, you demand unreasonable numbers of excessively complicated characters. While anime does not over-complicate its characters, because it's meant to be an entertainment medium. So unless it's the point, most anime characters are simple enough that you can predict them once you've figured them out. Personally, I like that. I like knowing everybody's personality in Haganai and seeing how it leads to failure in things one would not expect to fail. I like watching stories about heroism and asskicking where I'm not distracted by the characters' drama. I like watching heroic schemers like Shiroe of Log Horizon without needing to doubt that they're up to something good. If you don't, you will have to watch specific genres that get the viewer's attention focused on the characters and their personalities. But most importantly, you dismiss anything entertaining as "otaku bait". I suggest you distance yourself from anime, and spend some time playing games - they make you feel better about yourself as a person, because you're actually doing stuff. |
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15poundfish said: TheBrainintheJar said: I think it depends on how the story frames the character in the story. If the idealized romance is between a teasing romance between an abusive like Kaori from Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso. She is not a good character because she and the slapstick moments in the anime work against the themes of the main character overcoming past abuse. The anime however frames this all has healing and positive part of the main characters development when anyone that is paying attention to the events in the story should be able to spot the signs of an abusive relationship. Kaori is a bad character because she is given the privilege to be an abuser without the story shifting the tone of the story to match her behavior or showing the logical result of her behavior on the protagonist. Could you ever call a main character a good character if their behavior detracts from the intended message and themes of story? Imagine a serious story about a person trying to overcome rape and is healed by being raped by someone else and becomes a positive uplifted experience. Its ridiculous and I don't know you could defend characters in a story that portray something as improbable to happen as probable.There's a general obsession with 'strong female characters', as if fiction is meant to preach to us how reality should be. It'd be nice if real-life females were strong, but the IS = we're fragile, paradoxical and vulnerable beings. Fiction's purpose is to show this and help us deal with it. What kind of sick Toradora clone is this? |
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15poundfish said: I would not say its much of a toradora clone other than you always questioning why the main character likes someone that is abusive. Both stories hand wave that crap but this anime takes it to another level because in some shape or form almost every other character around the MC is an unintentional asshole, rival, or terrible friend. I find it disconcerting because its on the top of MAL, and very few people are willing to call out the problematic aspects of the anime. I have no problem with abuse in the anime but its incredibly bad that it tries to portray it as positive, healing or uplifting. It ruins the suspension of disbelief in a really bad way, but seeing how its on the top of MAL their probably is a lot of people that were unaware of it. I know want to watch it just to tear it up. It actually had really nice art and I hoped for a good romance. |
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jal90 said: Onyx-Sentinel said: I already know about intersex, its common knowledge. That point is irrelevant, it's a genetic error, where the person has has XXY chromosomes, instead of XY or XX. There are only 2 Genders/Sexes. I know the difference, but bringing it up would only weaken my argument, so I didn't (strategy). Gender Variances, ah, like Apache Gunships, and Comanche helicopters. Nonsense, is the only word for it. You keep trying to act like I know nothing about the subject. You know nothing about the subject. You know nothing about the subject. |
I am the biologist here. You should probably stop at this point. |
Yet you haven't been able to counter a single argument of mine. |
Intersex is a mutation. It doesn't prove that biological sex is a scale. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Intersex is a mutation. It doesn't prove that biological sex is a scale. 1) Define "biological sex". 2) Futanari exist as a concept, and even if they do not exist in reality, they can be bioengineered. Eunuchs surely existed. And there is probably weirder stuff out there, especially among the animals. 3) Not all men are equally manly, and not all women are equally feminine. 4) A proper system should classify every possible situation properly and without handwaving. Every mutation, every possible genengineered posthuman. Otherwise, you're oppressing somebody. Because you have no arguments. Only bullshit "I learned this in school". School lied to you, like it does all the time. |
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flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: Intersex is a mutation. It doesn't prove that biological sex is a scale. 1) Define "biological sex". 2) Futanari exist as a concept, and even if they do not exist in reality, they can be bioengineered. Eunuchs surely existed. And there is probably weirder stuff out there, especially among the animals. 3) Not all men are equally manly, and not all women are equally feminine. 4) A proper system should classify every possible situation properly and without handwaving. Every mutation, every possible genengineered posthuman. Otherwise, you're oppressing somebody. Because you have no arguments. Only bullshit "I learned this in school". School lied to you, like it does all the time. 1) There are only 2 Sexes. XY and XY. Imagination-Land doesn't exist. 2) Futanari do exist, it's called XXY, a genetic mutation. We're talking about Humans, not other animals, stay on-topic. 3) Men have Testosterone, and Women have Estrogen, if they display traits of the other gender, it generally means there's an imbalance. 4) We already have a proper system, That represents everyone. It's called Men and Women, (XY and XX). XXY doesn't need representation since its a mutation, its not its own thing. "Otherwise you're oppressing somebody" Lol, are you serious? This is why people consider the Left crazy now. Keep denying Science all you want. It's based on Evidence, something your nonsense isn't. |
You can start by not using "sex" and "gender" as if they were synonyms, and much less assuming that gender is binary. Then again, you are using a fucking meme to tackle this subject and spout your "Nonsense" claim so why should I spend a single second with you on this topic. If you don't rely on what current science states that's cool to me, just don't drag me into discussing false equivalences that aren't even meant to be taken seriously. On the other hand, now that we are talking, there's more in the range of intersex than the Klinefelter syndrome. Also, just because their condition is rooted on a mutation or a "genetic error" (sigh) doesn't make their voice as a minority less relevant. Intersex does not cause physical or psychological harm, and it's not something that needs to be fixed by default. |
Onyx-Sentinel said: flannan said: 1) Define "biological sex". 2) Futanari exist as a concept, and even if they do not exist in reality, they can be bioengineered. Eunuchs surely existed. And there is probably weirder stuff out there, especially among the animals. 3) Not all men are equally manly, and not all women are equally feminine. 4) A proper system should classify every possible situation properly and without handwaving. Every mutation, every possible genengineered posthuman. Otherwise, you're oppressing somebody. Because you have no arguments. Only bullshit "I learned this in school". School lied to you, like it does all the time. 1) There are only 2 Sexes. XY and XY. Imagination-Land doesn't exist. 2) Futanari do exist, it's called XXY, a genetic mutation. We're talking about Humans, not other animals, stay on-topic. 3) Men have Testosterone, and Women have Estrogen, if they display traits of the other gender, it generally means there's an imbalance. 4) We already have a proper system, That represents everyone. It's called Men and Women, (XY and XX). XXY doesn't need representation since its a mutation, its not its own thing. "Otherwise you're oppressing somebody" Lol, are you serious? This is why people consider the Left crazy now. Keep denying Science all you want. It's based on Evidence, something your nonsense isn't. None of your statements are based on Science. And don't you dare abuse Science's name. All of them are pure politics. You take things that Science knows to exist, and try to sweep them under the rug, instead of admitting they exist and have to be dealt with. |
flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: Intersex is a mutation. It doesn't prove that biological sex is a scale. 1) Define "biological sex". 2) Futanari exist as a concept, and even if they do not exist in reality, they can be bioengineered. Eunuchs surely existed. And there is probably weirder stuff out there, especially among the animals. 3) Not all men are equally manly, and not all women are equally feminine. 4) A proper system should classify every possible situation properly and without handwaving. Every mutation, every possible genengineered posthuman. Otherwise, you're oppressing somebody. Because you have no arguments. Only bullshit "I learned this in school". School lied to you, like it does all the time. Secondary sex traits are meaningless. They happen to appear most near trait X, but it doesn't mean that secondary-trait-Y is a necessary condition for 'female sex'. 'Biological sex' is the classification of an organism, based on his organs and how they're supposed to function in reproduction. Castarated males are still males. So are eunuechs. A person with testicles and penis is a male, even if that penis was cut off. Biological sex isn't determined by our designs, but what is there BEFORE we design it. The seconday sex argument is just misunderstanding the necessary-and-sufficient condition idea. Mutations are everywhere in nature, yet they do not prove a norm doesn't exist. A norm is defined by being the majority. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: flannan said: 1) Define "biological sex". 2) Futanari exist as a concept, and even if they do not exist in reality, they can be bioengineered. Eunuchs surely existed. And there is probably weirder stuff out there, especially among the animals. 3) Not all men are equally manly, and not all women are equally feminine. 4) A proper system should classify every possible situation properly and without handwaving. Every mutation, every possible genengineered posthuman. Otherwise, you're oppressing somebody. Because you have no arguments. Only bullshit "I learned this in school". School lied to you, like it does all the time. Secondary sex traits are meaningless. They happen to appear most near trait X, but it doesn't mean that secondary-trait-Y is a necessary condition for 'female sex'. A classic futanari has both male and female reproductive organs. Anyway, secondary sex traits are not meaningless. I were to suddenly grow woman-sized breasts, I would need a bra for them. But due to cis-normativity, I might be banned out of female-only spaces where I might buy one. That could be finessed by talking, but I hate doing that, and I am likely to resort to violence. Joke: a programmer goes to sleep and puts two glasses on the bedtable: a glass full of water in case he wakes up and wants to drink, and an empty glass in case he wakes up and doesn't want to drink. TheBrainintheJar said: 'Biological sex' is the classification of an organism, based on his organs and how they're supposed to function in reproduction. Castarated males are still males. So are eunuechs. A person with testicles and penis is a male, even if that penis was cut off. Biological sex isn't determined by our designs, but what is there BEFORE we design it. When I said "bioengineer" I meant "edit a genome to make organisms born with it have desired traits". So a bioengineered futanari would be supposed to be able to have children with both men and women, which should increase their reproductive chances. TheBrainintheJar said: Mutations are everywhere in nature, yet they do not prove a norm doesn't exist. A norm is defined by being the majority. The majority can go fuck themselves. I'm making my ideal society fit each and every person, no matter how weird. |
flannan said: TheBrainintheJar said: Secondary sex traits are meaningless. They happen to appear most near trait X, but it doesn't mean that secondary-trait-Y is a necessary condition for 'female sex'. A classic futanari has both male and female reproductive organs. Anyway, secondary sex traits are not meaningless. I were to suddenly grow woman-sized breasts, I would need a bra for them. But due to cis-normativity, I might be banned out of female-only spaces where I might buy one. That could be finessed by talking, but I hate doing that, and I am likely to resort to violence. Joke: a programmer goes to sleep and puts two glasses on the bedtable: a glass full of water in case he wakes up and wants to drink, and an empty glass in case he wakes up and doesn't want to drink. TheBrainintheJar said: 'Biological sex' is the classification of an organism, based on his organs and how they're supposed to function in reproduction. Castarated males are still males. So are eunuechs. A person with testicles and penis is a male, even if that penis was cut off. Biological sex isn't determined by our designs, but what is there BEFORE we design it. When I said "bioengineer" I meant "edit a genome to make organisms born with it have desired traits". So a bioengineered futanari would be supposed to be able to have children with both men and women, which should increase their reproductive chances. TheBrainintheJar said: Mutations are everywhere in nature, yet they do not prove a norm doesn't exist. A norm is defined by being the majority. The majority can go fuck themselves. I'm making my ideal society fit each and every person, no matter how weird. Who gives a fuck about cis-normativity? Since when did society's silly narratives amount to a truth? Intersex people exist. They're also an anomaly. Secondary sex traits are meaningless if you want to get to the essence. Growing breasts doesn't make you any less of a fun no matter how hard 'society' is making you feel. A person being bioengineered doesn't prove sex isn't binary, but that we found ways to design it. I'm talking about biological sex without design. 'Mutation' isn't a negative value judgment. If you think so, you take society's narratives too seriously. An ideal society still has norm. That's how numbers work. It doesn't mean the weirdo is necessarily unwelcome. Just because you're a mutant doesn't mean we can't accept you. Kirulas said: Entering this thread. But anyway, although there are many poorly written female characters, there are also many bad ones in hollywood. Look at all the generic cookie cutter main females in animated movies. At least most anime has more than the just the token female love interest. Hollywood female characters tend to be gun-toting badasses who have no personality besides being able to beat people up. |
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This literally means sex isn't a binary. TheBrainintheJar said: A person being bioengineered doesn't prove sex isn't binary, but that we found ways to design it. I'm talking about biological sex without design. I like sci-fi, and I like looking forward to the future. |
TheBrainintheJar said: Kirulas said: Entering this thread. But anyway, although there are many poorly written female characters, there are also many bad ones in hollywood. Look at all the generic cookie cutter main females in animated movies. At least most anime has more than the just the token female love interest. Hollywood female characters tend to be gun-toting badasses who have no personality besides being able to beat people up. True. At least anime females have stronger and more memorable personalities, even if they often are archetypes and cliches. Some of the best are when they're not put on a pedestal but allowed to make mistakes and be terrible at things. |
KirulasMay 24, 2017 11:29 AM
flannan said: This literally means sex isn't a binary. TheBrainintheJar said: A person being bioengineered doesn't prove sex isn't binary, but that we found ways to design it. I'm talking about biological sex without design. I like sci-fi, and I like looking forward to the future. An anomaly doesn't discredit the whole idea of sex because it is an anomaly. You liking sci-fi has nothing to do with current scientific definitions. |
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flannan said: A good scientific theory encompasses everything that is known to exist when it is formulated. Denying things that exist is for dogmatic religious people. Then the scientific theory can definitely include intersex. It includes it as 'anomaly', just like a man who was born without a hand. It's not like we can't explain it. Kirulas said: TheBrainintheJar said: Hollywood female characters tend to be gun-toting badasses who have no personality besides being able to beat people up. True. At least anime females have stronger and more memorable personalities, even if they often are archetypes and cliches. Some of the best are when they're not put on a pedestal but allowed to make mistakes and be terrible at things. Even when they're archetypes, there is more variety of archetypes. Your average Harem anime does much better with female characters than your average Hollywood actioner. Both includes archetypes, but the actioner will have a single female character who is a badass. The harem has a variety of archetypes. |
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jal90 said: You can start by not using "sex" and "gender" as if they were synonyms, and much less assuming that gender is binary. Then again, you are using a fucking meme to tackle this subject and spout your "Nonsense" claim so why should I spend a single second with you on this topic. If you don't rely on what current science states that's cool to me, just don't drag me into discussing false equivalences that aren't even meant to be taken seriously. On the other hand, now that we are talking, there's more in the range of intersex than the Klinefelter syndrome. Also, just because their condition is rooted on a mutation or a "genetic error" (sigh) doesn't make their voice as a minority less relevant. Intersex does not cause physical or psychological harm, and it's not something that needs to be fixed by default. Sex and Gender are binary, Scientific Fact. What "Meme" am I using? I joked about Apache Gunships earlier in the thread, but that response was towards someone else. I don't rely on current Science? You mean I don't rely on Social Politics. Not everyone gets their Science from Social Media. XXY is the only "Intersex" worth discussing, the rest are minor mutations. It does make their voice as a minority irrelevant, why? Because they are the same as us, they are not a third Sex. They have the same voice as us. |
flannan said: None of your statements are based on Science. And don't you dare abuse Science's name. All of them are pure politics. You take things that Science knows to exist, and try to sweep them under the rug, instead of admitting they exist and have to be dealt with. And the Earth is flat as well? All of my statements are based on Science. All of your points are based on Social Politics. |
Onyx-Sentinel said: jal90 said: You can start by not using "sex" and "gender" as if they were synonyms, and much less assuming that gender is binary. Then again, you are using a fucking meme to tackle this subject and spout your "Nonsense" claim so why should I spend a single second with you on this topic. If you don't rely on what current science states that's cool to me, just don't drag me into discussing false equivalences that aren't even meant to be taken seriously. On the other hand, now that we are talking, there's more in the range of intersex than the Klinefelter syndrome. Also, just because their condition is rooted on a mutation or a "genetic error" (sigh) doesn't make their voice as a minority less relevant. Intersex does not cause physical or psychological harm, and it's not something that needs to be fixed by default. Sex and Gender are binary, Scientific Fact. What "Meme" am I using? I joked about Apache Gunships earlier in the thread, but that response was towards someone else. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-attack-helicopter Onyx-Sentinel said: I don't rely on current Science? You mean I don't rely on Social Politics. Not everyone gets their Science from Social Media. I personally get my science from science. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/ So, where do we stand on transgender issues? Science tells us that gender is certainly not binary; it may not even be a linear spectrum. Like many other facets of identity, it can operate on a broad range of levels and operate outside of many definitions. And it also appears that gender may not be as static as we assume. At the forefront of this, transgender identity is complex – it’s unlikely we’ll ever be able to attribute it to one neat, contained set of causes, and there is still much to be learned. But we know now that several of those causes are biological. These individuals are not suffering a mental illness, or capriciously “choosing” a different identity. The transgender identity is multi-dimensional – but it deserves no less recognition or respect than any other facet of humankind. Can we move on? I'm actually cringing at this discussion. Responding to irrational teasing from somebody who has clearly not read a single paper or piece of scientific media on the matter for years is exhausting and is not worth anybody's time. Onyx-Sentinel said: XXY is the only "Intersex" worth discussing, the rest are minor mutations. Not sure why do you think that anybody should give a fuck about what you believe is worth discussing or not. Specially when it's so arbitrary. And you are not even right on this. Onyx-Sentinel said: It does make their voice as a minority irrelevant, why? Because they are the same as us, they are not a third Sex. They have the same voice as us. Because they are discriminated and still not properly recognized by the society. You know, the kind of thing all of us feel comfortable with having. There is an ongoing debate about the need to perform surgery, for instance. |
jal90May 25, 2017 1:33 PM
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jal90 said: Onyx-Sentinel said: Sex and Gender are binary, Scientific Fact. What "Meme" am I using? I joked about Apache Gunships earlier in the thread, but that response was towards someone else. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-attack-helicopter Onyx-Sentinel said: I don't rely on current Science? You mean I don't rely on Social Politics. Not everyone gets their Science from Social Media. I personally get my science from science. http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/ So, where do we stand on transgender issues? Science tells us that gender is certainly not binary; it may not even be a linear spectrum. Like many other facets of identity, it can operate on a broad range of levels and operate outside of many definitions. And it also appears that gender may not be as static as we assume. At the forefront of this, transgender identity is complex – it’s unlikely we’ll ever be able to attribute it to one neat, contained set of causes, and there is still much to be learned. But we know now that several of those causes are biological. These individuals are not suffering a mental illness, or capriciously “choosing” a different identity. The transgender identity is multi-dimensional – but it deserves no less recognition or respect than any other facet of humankind. Can we move on? I'm actually cringing at this discussion. Responding to irrational teasing from somebody who has clearly not read a single paper or piece of scientific media on the matter for years is exhausting and is not worth anybody's time. Onyx-Sentinel said: XXY is the only "Intersex" worth discussing, the rest are minor mutations. Not sure why do you think that anybody should give a fuck about what you believe is worth discussing or not. Specially when it's so arbitrary. And you are not even right on this. Onyx-Sentinel said: It does make their voice as a minority irrelevant, why? Because they are the same as us, they are not a third Sex. They have the same voice as us. Because they are discriminated and still not properly recognized by the society. You know, the kind of thing all of us feel comfortable with having. There is an ongoing debate about the need to perform surgery, for instance. Gender is absolute horseshit, a narrative we tell ourselves because we're too weak to create something out of ourselves. Biological sex remains in existence. |
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| @TheBrainintheJar And your point is? Sorry, if I am talking with another user about how gender identity appears in science, I'm not sure how this opinion answers anything or is called for at all. You think that gender is horseshit? Okay, what should I do with that info? Are you referring to my quote and the topic of my argument with Onyx, or is it just a random statement? |
PeppermintHearts said: Still, I like anime girls to be cute, I don't want to see a bunch of dyke like she-man characters in anime, but heroines can be cute and sexy, like in magic girl anime series, etc. Can't a girl be both cute & brave? Say, have you seen Dirty Pair? Looking at your list, you will probably like that anime if you haven't. There are two main heroines there, and they have a lot in common (they have the same job and the same general personality), but one is obviously feminine, and the other is obviously masculine. How does it make you feel? Or do you mean characters like Kanna from Sakura Wars? https://myanimelist.net/character/9172/Kanna_Kirishima Anyway, I don't think being attractive stands in the way of being respectable. Onyx-Sentinel said: flannan said: None of your statements are based on Science. And don't you dare abuse Science's name. All of them are pure politics. You take things that Science knows to exist, and try to sweep them under the rug, instead of admitting they exist and have to be dealt with. And the Earth is flat as well? All of my statements are based on Science. All of your points are based on Social Politics. Your statements are based on ignorance ("Earth is spherical" level of ignorance), and mine are based on obvious facts. By the way, Earth's rough geometric shape is described as a "geoid". |
flannan said: PeppermintHearts said: Still, I like anime girls to be cute, I don't want to see a bunch of dyke like she-man characters in anime, but heroines can be cute and sexy, like in magic girl anime series, etc. Can't a girl be both cute & brave? Say, have you seen Dirty Pair? Looking at your list, you will probably like that anime if you haven't. There are two main heroines there, and they have a lot in common (they have the same job and the same general personality), but one is obviously feminine, and the other is obviously masculine. How does it make you feel? Or do you mean characters like Kanna from Sakura Wars? https://myanimelist.net/character/9172/Kanna_Kirishima Anyway, I don't think being attractive stands in the way of being respectable. Onyx-Sentinel said: And the Earth is flat as well? All of my statements are based on Science. All of your points are based on Social Politics. Your statements are based on ignorance ("Earth is spherical" level of ignorance), and mine are based on obvious facts. By the way, Earth's rough geometric shape is described as a "geoid". There are only 2 Sexes according to Science. There are only 2 Genders because there are only 2 Sexes. |
| @Jal90 I made a joke (Meme), so? That doesn't invalidate my argument. You claim to get your Science from Science, yet use a Left-wing Institution to back up a social concept, which isn't science. Gender isn't Science, it's a social concept. So a Scientific Institution has no authority over it. XXY is the only Intersex worth discussing. And it's not "arbitrary", having XXY is far more significant than some slight features of the opposite Sex. I don't know why you're discriminating against XXY people? They are perfectly normal, yeah they've had a genetic error, that doesn't give you the right to consider them not normal. |
Onyx-Sentinel said: @Jal90 I made a joke (Meme), so? That doesn't invalidate my argument. You claim to get your Science from Science, yet use a Left-wing Institution to back up a social concept, which isn't science. Gender isn't Science, it's a social concept. So a Scientific Institution has no authority over it. XXY is the only Intersex worth discussing. And it's not "arbitrary", having XXY is far more significant than some slight features of the opposite Sex. I don't know why you're discriminating against XXY people? They are perfectly normal, yeah they've had a genetic error, that doesn't give you the right to consider them not normal. Okay, boy, you win, a geneticist and microbiologist is not a reliable source and the Harvard university is a left-wing institution. Just stop quoting or mentioning me because I have no time nor will to respond to your nonsense. Better save your bait on the intersex part for another occasion, it's a waste of trolling talent and I have been biting for too long. |
jal90May 26, 2017 5:23 PM
jal90 said: Onyx-Sentinel said: @Jal90 I made a joke (Meme), so? That doesn't invalidate my argument. You claim to get your Science from Science, yet use a Left-wing Institution to back up a social concept, which isn't science. Gender isn't Science, it's a social concept. So a Scientific Institution has no authority over it. XXY is the only Intersex worth discussing. And it's not "arbitrary", having XXY is far more significant than some slight features of the opposite Sex. I don't know why you're discriminating against XXY people? They are perfectly normal, yeah they've had a genetic error, that doesn't give you the right to consider them not normal. Okay, boy, you win, a geneticist and microbiologist is not a reliable source and the Harvard university is a left-wing institution. Just stop quoting or mentioning me because I have no time nor will to respond to your nonsense. Better save your bait on the intersex part for another occasion, it's a waste of trolling talent and I have been biting for too long. Gender is a social concept, like "how everyone's equal". So it has nothing to do with Science. |
Onyx-Sentinel said: flannan said: Say, have you seen Dirty Pair? Looking at your list, you will probably like that anime if you haven't. There are two main heroines there, and they have a lot in common (they have the same job and the same general personality), but one is obviously feminine, and the other is obviously masculine. How does it make you feel? Or do you mean characters like Kanna from Sakura Wars? https://myanimelist.net/character/9172/Kanna_Kirishima Anyway, I don't think being attractive stands in the way of being respectable. Your statements are based on ignorance ("Earth is spherical" level of ignorance), and mine are based on obvious facts. By the way, Earth's rough geometric shape is described as a "geoid". There are only 2 Sexes according to Science. There are only 2 Genders because there are only 2 Sexes. You're an ideologically brainwashed dumb fuck, and I don't want to speak to you any longer. jal90 has given you the real science, yet you keep insisting it does not exist. Science does not work like that. Science is not about saying "it's impossible!" when the protagonist thwarts your plans with superpowers. It is about relishing in learning new stuff, and incorporating new stuff into our theories so that they would become better. Kayaba Akihiko from SAO is a good example, in the part where he was happy Kirito and Asuna have overcome the game's limitations. |
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8797 said: I agree. Most anime tend to have very bland, insignicant and generic female characters and most of the time they are just there for fanservice and viewbait. I think that the generic characters are not limited to just the females. A lot of the male characters in anime also seem to look alike, talk alike, think alike, etc. They act as "blank slates" over which the viewer may paste themselves. mimiiria said: ... I just want good MC's whether they're male or female. This is what I want in my anime as well. |
jal90 said: @TheBrainintheJar And your point is? Sorry, if I am talking with another user about how gender identity appears in science, I'm not sure how this opinion answers anything or is called for at all. You think that gender is horseshit? Okay, what should I do with that info? Are you referring to my quote and the topic of my argument with Onyx, or is it just a random statement? Gender roles are horseshit and a bad solution to an Is-Ought problem. Biological sex is real. IS: The average female is weaker than the average male How from this we derive the OUGHT: Females must not work in physical labour? I find gender roles to be a silly solution to an is-ought problem that doesn't exist. |
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Thorn_Wall said: 8797 said: I agree. Most anime tend to have very bland, insignicant and generic female characters and most of the time they are just there for fanservice and viewbait. I think that the generic characters are not limited to just the females. A lot of the male characters in anime also seem to look alike, talk alike, think alike, etc. They act as "blank slates" over which the viewer may paste themselves. mimiiria said: ... I just want good MC's whether they're male or female. This is what I want in my anime as well. That is true, but I feel like there is a greater proportion of generic female characters than male characters in anime. I've seen more unique and likeable male characters than female even when you take into account the 'blank slate' male characters. |
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MUSICTheBrainintheJar said: jal90 said: @TheBrainintheJar And your point is? Sorry, if I am talking with another user about how gender identity appears in science, I'm not sure how this opinion answers anything or is called for at all. You think that gender is horseshit? Okay, what should I do with that info? Are you referring to my quote and the topic of my argument with Onyx, or is it just a random statement? Gender roles are horseshit and a bad solution to an Is-Ought problem. Biological sex is real. IS: The average female is weaker than the average male How from this we derive the OUGHT: Females must not work in physical labour? I find gender roles to be a silly solution to an is-ought problem that doesn't exist. And your authority to claim that gender is horseshit is? It is a term used in both biology and psychology by experts, people who have actually studied the field and are not here jumping to conclusions out of thin air like you do. And why are we talking about gender roles all of a sudden. You can certainly have your opinion but why are you trying to convince me on whatever random baseless conclusion you make so hard. |
jal90May 27, 2017 3:18 AM
jal90 said: TheBrainintheJar said: Gender roles are horseshit and a bad solution to an Is-Ought problem. Biological sex is real. IS: The average female is weaker than the average male How from this we derive the OUGHT: Females must not work in physical labour? I find gender roles to be a silly solution to an is-ought problem that doesn't exist. And your authority to claim that gender is horseshit is? It is a term used in both biology and psychology by experts, people who have actually studied the field and are not here jumping to conclusions out of thin air like you do. And why are we talking about gender roles all of a sudden. You can certainly have your opinion but why are you trying to convince me on whatever random baseless conclusion you make so hard. If don't like it when people try to convince you, I suggest avoiding communication with anyone. It's a side-effect. I use 'gender' as a shorter term for 'gender role', and 'gender' is jumping from the IS to the OUGHT as I explained above. You're welcome to show me an alternative definition. |
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| Look at the best scored, not the most popular. Gintama has tons of female characters, all of them respectable ( At least as much as the males lol ). FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood ( I don't see how Winry wasn't respectable, or the brothers' teacher, there were a couple respectable women in that anime ). There is also Fate/Zero ( Saber has her own ideals which is a huge part of her character ). Most anime fans are there for bait, if you want great characters (Especially females) try elsewhere than top most popular. Also, talking about top 50 most popular anime, Mikasa and Annie in Attack on Titan are more respectable than Eren and Armin... In Durarara! Celty, while not THE main female character, is still a main character and female (Though not human) and is a really good character. I also don't think Anri is a bad character. Nami in One Piece definitely has her own ideals and so does Robin. Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica has almost only female characters and they respectable for the most part. Re:Zero had Rem which if was more respectable than the main character. Rem is as much as a main character as Emilia, at least when looking at screen time. And she was the one saving Subaru's ass. I'd recommend Spice and Wolf if you haven't already watched it, Holo is one of the best female characters in any anime. Also, Boku no Hero Academia, which i'm pretty sure you're already watching based on your avatar, does also have some really good females characters ( Especially for a shounen) and they will get more development later on. My favorite character in that anime is Uraraka actually. |
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tragedydesu said: A female character can be respectable without being strong Cute girls are respectable in my opinion Yes, tbh any woman that doesn't objectify herself can be respectable to at least some extent. Also, i think a higher percentage of male protagonists are bad than female ones actually. Asuna is still a better character than Kirito... |
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