Does Filthy Frank hate anime fans? Are weeaboos disgusting?

swirlydragon said:
@Soriki

I've read all your replies and I think you might be right. I guess the definition of weeaboo I know is incorrect :)

@Aerater
lol
You're funny, I like you xD



Cause we don't want society to reject us :(

@Yumehara

Yeah I get your point but do you not get angry when people copy your country's culture and in addition to that, they do it wrongly. Therefore because of those people, everyone thinks that all anime fans are like them.



Yeah I get your point but some people don't understand this. Like for instance some people would wear Akatsuki robe or Naruto headband and will act like ninjas all the time which just degrades us Naruto fans

TheBrainintheJar said:

Yes, but since when the US is the whole wide world?

What does it say about Japanese that they have their own country and how oppressed can they be?

Do AmericanJaps and IslandJaps have the same culture?

Who owns culture?

swirlydragon said:
Well at least I don't act like Japanese or try to speak Japanese. I also don't wear Akatsuki robe when outside lol

gamers said:


if you think you are different than them then why are you even bother getting mad? they are describing other people not you, and if those people mistaken that maybe all anime fans are like that you can just simply corrected them and maybe try saying "nah man not all anime fans are like that" is that not simple and easy enough?
and why are you so scared of getting rejected by society anyway? if you dont think you do anything wrong then why are you even scared getting rejected in the first place? and if they do reject you simply because of your hobby then they are nothing more than a shallow minded fool, why do you care about what those fools are saying? and its not like those fools represent society as a whole anyway or do you seriously think that most of society are a bunch of anime haters or some shit? hell most of them doesnt even care about anime lol.
those weebs are fuckin extreme yeah and dont get me wrong i also cringe sometimes when i see them but its not like they are directly bothering me so i have no reason being an asshole to them, now my question is what does that weebs do to you to make you hates them so much?
btw iam open about my hobby as an anime and manga lovers and i have no problem with society, i have friends most are not even an anime fans, getting along well with my family, have a gf( yes i have that pokemon,its quite rare if i say so myself) so i dont really get all this shit about being an anime lovers and getting rejected by society

Psyotic said:


Never claimed that it was.



You're assuming oppression exists in a uniform state, that if something is oppressed in one place, it must be oppressed in all others. This is not the case.



No, and I never claimed that they did. However, there are similar trends that can be found between them.



???

How is this relevant? At all?

TheBrainintheJar said:

Nearly all discussions of oppression come from an America-centric view

thus erasing the victims of people oppressed elsewhere.

Second, 'who owns culture' is the big question about cultural appropriation.

Psyotic said:


Well that would make sense given that we're talking about cultural appropriation in the US.



Having a discussion about one issue =/= devaluing a separate issue.



'Own' doesn't really seem like quite the right word to use here, but to answer your question in general terms, the owner of the would be the group associated with that culture.

TheBrainintheJar said:

If a discussion about a given topic of oppression only focus on one country, we now have erasure.

The idea of cultural appropriation is only discussed in the West.

Who decides who is the group associated with the culture?

Psyotic said:


No, we have a focused conversation. If I were arguing that oppresison only existed for one country, then we would have erasure.



[citation needed]



This is where things start to get really complex, as this relates not only to cultural identity, but personal identity as well. To put it simply, there are multiple cultural identities existing for one culture, each coming from a different perspective. Given this, there is no definitive "who" that decides the which group has which cultural trait.

TheBrainintheJar said:

I'd like to hear about panics over cultural appropriation in non-Western countries.

So if no one owns culture

Psyotic said:


Then go have that discussion with someone else, because that's not what we're talking about. At all.



I fail to see how you were able to come to this conclusion based off what I've said.

TheBrainintheJar said:

In order for cultural appropriation to exist and be bad, the culture must be appropriated from someone. Who is that someone?

Psyotic said:


That would be the group having their culture appropriated.

TheBrainintheJar said:

A group doesn't decide, since a group is a category in our minds to help us understand the world.

Individuals inside it decide, so who has the authority?

Why the inequality?

_Ako_ said:
Why are you assuming that I feel his my enemy, thus "we" feel he is our enemy?

Leave me alone. I don't even know who the fuck is that dude...

swirlydragon said:
@_Ako_

You've already replied to this thread lol
How many times are you going to reply? xD

Psyotic said:


A group isn't an abstract concept defined only by outsiders though.



Authority over what? Who has which culture? Because there is no specific individual or entity.



This is getting off the rails at this point. Like, this is a question that would require a multitude of books, essays, and studies to answer correctly. For the purpose of this discussion, I fail to see why the "why" is relevant.

swirlydragon said:
Well I guess you are right about the merchandise thing, but the problem with weaaboos is that their room is filled with anime and Japanese things. I mean there's a limit to how many anime merchandise you should buy.

TheBrainintheJar said:

If no one really owns culture and it's just there, why shouldn't it be there for the taking to distort, satirize, change and improve?

Psyotic said:


You're basing this off the assumption that no one ones a culture. But just because defining the culture of a group requires degrees of complexity and nuance, does not make the definition invalid.

TheBrainintheJar said:

Either I get this definition, or I act like no one owns culture.

I have to act eventually and I want to act on something clear.

Psyotic said:


This is pretty much a black and white fallacy. I've already explained to you the complexity required to define the culture of a group. The difficulty comes from trying to explain something that you do not fully understand, thus any single defintion coming from a single perspective is going to be incomplete. Not necessarily wrong, mind you, but incomplete none-the-less.



Then you're going to have a hard time with a lot of things, because the answer to most questions aren't exactly clear. They do not fit into distinct boxes or categories, but instead usually involve elements of both.

TheBrainintheJar said:

Saying things aren't clear or certain is the old extreme skeptic - the person who can do nothing but doubt things.

This is impractical and pointless.

Eventually I need to act on something, so give me something to act on.

Psyotic said:


I'm not really being skeptical about anything. At most you could say I'm being lazy, but then again who would want to type something that would essentially require a book to divulge into it properly on a forum?



Nuanced answers to difficult questions are impractical and pointless?



I've already addressed this point, why are you restating it?

TheBrainintheJar said:

I do not understand the harm of cultural appropriation

I do not understand who exactly 'owns' culture

I only see typical cultural exchange that happened throghout history

Psyotic said:


While I wouldn't argue that it is inherently harmful, it can lead to very innaccurate perception of another culture.



Your failure to understand the subject matter is your fault, not mine.



You're being willfully ignorant if you think that all cultural exchanges have had positive outcomes.

TheBrainintheJar said:

It doesn't always have positive outcomes, but it's inevitable. That's one of my argument.

The second is that people=/=culture, and the ethical laws regarding people don't apply to culture.

Psyotic said:


That's not really a valid argument when it comes to whether or not it's right or wrong though. Like, murder is inevitable, but it's far from being morally ambiguous.



not without some modifications, no. but in a general sense, i would argue that they would

TheBrainintheJar said:

Murder is not inevitable since someone actively chooses to murder.

I need some argument why ethics apply to treatment of a culture.

Psyotic said:


I fail to see why choice negates the inevitability of murder.



I feel it is wrong to kill a human being. Likewise, I feel that it is wrong to exterminate a culture.

swirlydragon said:
I've just started watching his videos. He particularly makes fun of weeaboos but according to me I think he is right. Weeaboos degrade us anime fans, like who the heck masturbates to a body pillow? Or buy Katana or stuffs?
I mean there's a limit to how obsessed you can be about anime or Japan.
Weeaboos waste their life watching anime all day, dressing like anime characters and getting fat and unhygienic.
They think they can learn Japanese by just watching anime and they act like Japanese (even though they are not)
They can't get a job or a girlfriend. Their life is pretty pathetic if you ask me.
But the problem arises when these Filthy Frank supporters assume that all anime fans are weeaboos.
I mean I like anime and I don't watch anything other than that. I also have a favourite waifu "Emilia-tan" but my room is pretty normal. It's not filled with useless anime or Japanese things.
So what do you guys think about him?
Is he right?
Here's the video (And I know it's pretty old)

TheBrainintheJar said:


There would be no murder if nobody chooses to murder.

However, cultures meet because people meet.

You feel it is wrong to kill. Others didn't.

Would you feel bad over the end of Nazi culture?

Psyotic said:


There would be no cultural appropriation if no one interacted with people from different cultures.

But we both know that like murder, that is unavoidable.



You do know it is possible to be a murder and believe killing is wrong, right?



Nazism is an ideology, not a culture.

TheBrainintheJar said:
You have a bunch of people in a given area, they will create their own cultures who will feed off each other.

Do you think we should segregate cultures completely?

What's the ethical problems of cultural appropriation, anyway?

Psyotic said:


Odds are, they will develop a very similar culture. That is unless there are natural barriers keeping them apart, at which point it becomes a choice to interact and exchange cultures.



No, and I have no idea how you could even think that I do.



It can lead false views of the culture being appropriated.

TheBrainintheJar said:

Segregation is the only way to prevent cultural exchange.

Keep in mind a culture isn't something rigidly define, where you can draw a clear line 'this is where Jap culture ends and Chinese culture begins'.

False views of cultures? Really? That's the big problem?

Psyotic said:


Yes.



With some aspects sure, but with other aspects, not so much. This is even more true when comparing two cultures that are heavily geographically separated.



You're saying that like it's never been an issue before.