| This really isn't a "troll post", I actually don't understand why being mentally ill makes you "brave and courageous" and the media celebrates it. If you're a Body dysmorphic and think you're fat when you're 75 pounds, it's a mental issue. The same thing is when you're a dude and think you are a woman. There is zero difference. Being a trans person is a mental issue, and doesn't make you a fucking hero. |
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| every day i wake up and i ask why am i here, when i log into mal and see this it reminds me i was born on earth to read thread topics like this so i can hate myself a little bit more each day |
| Mental Issue. You can label anything with those words. As long as the person is okay and it dosen't cause any health problems to the person or others why should anyone intervene. You are referring to how society sees what normal and what is not. If the majority of the population was trans then they can label you with having mental disorder. ofcourse this is true if this is not a troollll post. then ahain who cares. watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c |
| Well, the term mental illness has been throughly bastardised during the past decade. Seems like anything will fall under the description of "a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking". Clinically speaking though, being transsexual probably isn't considered an illness, since gender altering medical operations exist, which would directly support such an issue, probably leading to quite a few legal disputes. Moving on. The media celebrates it because it's become such a big subject. With the world mostly just being bored, before something exciting like Brexit or the US elections happened, the media has to fill the time, or more importantly, pay the bills, with something. This isn't me trying to "redpill" you or anything of the sort, it's merely a business keeping itself running. Regardless of whether or not they genuinely support transsexualism (I'm assuming thats a word), they can't really speak out against it anyway. Firstly, publicly speaking out against something like this can very easily be interpreted as hate speech. Even if the article isn't all that negative, with the amount of coverage it'd get on an issue this controversial, someone is going to see dollar signs in their eyes, and it would be easy picking for lawyers. Media companies get court cases regularly for much smaller things, and it's going to be costly even if they win. Secondly, it's much easier to get people to share and talk about positive coverage. It's something celebrities and other public figures would share, positivity is something that can be much more easily discussed in public. This isn't really exclusive to just controversial subjects either, you can notice this with pretty much any story. Whenever something positive happens, a media outlet will practically swoon over it, while they'll be slightly critical at best of anything negative. It's a simple case of promoting positivity, a nice sentiment of course, I just wish they'd be consistent with it. I have no idea how all of the above will come off, so let me get my own opinion out there. I don't support it, but that doesn't mean I oppose it either. Frankly I just don't give a damn. I simply wonder when we'll get bored of the subject and move on. I don't actively support it because I don't think that it's biologically sustainable, nor does it fit with my own morals. At the same time I'm not against it because it's not going to affect my life anyway. Even if a relative were to get transgender surgery, so what? Not as if I have to go get one as well now. And heck, if they're happier now then great. However, I don't think the media is right for promoting it. If someone is genuinely considering surgically switching genders then that decision should be up to them, and them alone. This is a massive decision, probably the most important one they'll ever make, and the media has no right to edge them towards an answer, which is what the positive coverage does. |
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| OP, I think you're confusing body dysmorphia with gender dysphoria. Body dysmorphia: obsessively thinking that your appearance is flawed in some way. Gender dysphoria: being deeply uncomfortable with your genitalia. The only cure is getting hormones, surgery and that stuff. I wouldn't say it's celebrated, it's just considered brave because there's so much stigma against it and you must come out if you want hormones. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not trans. Anyway, I think people talking about their mental illness are brave. They know they are going to be judged. Just my two cents. |
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CurseGoddess said: It's a good thing that being an idiot isn't celebrated. Have you ever watched reality TV? The whole thing is a celebration of idiocy. |
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| Trans people need mental health. It is and should be looked down on but a bunch of crazy asses love encouraging dumb trash. |
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| To give a serious response that I know this topic isn't deserving of, you really would have to be stupid and/or biased to think that being trans is "celebrated", because it isn't in any meaningful way. Trans people suffer a higher violence rate than almost anyone else and are killed simply for being trans, often receive no financial help in transitioning, are often disowned by their families, are sometimes subject to a loss of rights under the guise of "religious freedom", are often put in wrong prisons, and other such issues. People with no power over these things being supportive does nothing to make them better. It can honestly feel pretty scary to be trans at times, and I know that from experience. There are plenty of people who refuse to even have the decency of treating you like another human being, and would sooner view you as an object or even just a simple 'freak", or like someone in this topic said, "trash". That's all I have to say on the matter. |
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Bobby2Hands said: CurseGoddess said: It's a good thing that being an idiot isn't celebrated. Have you ever watched reality TV? The whole thing is a celebration of idiocy. Darek said: dammit... inb4 me u guys....CurseGoddess said: It's a good thing that being an idiot isn't celebrated. Topkek, also it kinda is. OT: it's true that tansexualism is in a way a mental condition but that doesn't really make it a mental illness. op must watch alot of oprah..... its full of those well.... things |
| It's not one. Love your walrus pic, btw. notraven said: lol pretty muchWell, the term mental illness has been throughly bastardised during the past decade. Seems like anything will fall under the description of "a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking". |
Konekuto said: Shadowtheking said: Trans people need mental health. It is and should be looked down on but a bunch of crazy asses love encouraging dumb trash. It should be looked down on? But why? I could list several reasons but I'll be brutally honest I don't even view them as people once they transition. But besides that I don't even associate myself with them so eh. |
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razor39999 said: There's several criteria to define mental illness and comparing individuals to the average (or what is considered "normal") is only one of them, never the only one used. Not to mention that even if it was nothing but a mental illness (gender dysphoria doesn't cover the transexual community as a whole), being supportive of the person and helping them feel comfortable, safe and healthy in their skin is what we should be doing, not looking for moral soap boxes to judge them off of. Your anorexia analogy is wrong, since the person in that case is actively harming herself by chasing her body image. Transexuals could develop depression or social anxiety usually because of the secondary reasons related to the stigma and fear of the opinions of others, or outright threats and violence by others, but feeling like you're stuck in the wrong body isn't harmful in and of itself to you or anyone around you. Spreading acceptance in the media is just one way to make the social transition easier for them, since all the hormonal treatment in the world won't help if you have people actively avoiding and disparaging you for no other reason than being yourself. The depression from dysphoria is a primary effect, not secondary. It is physiologically and psychologically rooted because the mind disagrees with the body. It is harmful in the sense that it leads to desires of removing working body parts and a higher propensity for suicide. Technically, it is having a view that doesn't align with reality, and while that causes no overt harm it is still viewed as a problem just as with many personality disorders that do not harm others but negatively affect the person experiencing it. Mental illness as a term has indeed been bastardized, and the lines between that and psychological problems have been blurred, in large part do to social acceptance of some situations. I'd say extreme dysphoria is certainly a mental illness, but milder cases and such that do little harm like Rachel Dolezol would be viewed more as psychological issues to be hashed out. OT: I don't think it's celebrated, but taking steps to change your sex or appearance does appear to be. Some even think that is acceptable for children as well. Part of it is due to the culture of oppression in the west where those who are different from the norm have been historically persecuted, so in direct opposition to that, pride is taken in being different. |
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CurseGoddess said: It's a good thing that being an idiot isn't celebrated. Adding counterexample Then why does politics exist? |
BRB-kun said: CurseGoddess said: It's a good thing that being an idiot isn't celebrated. Adding counterexample Then why does politics exist? Still don't understand why it's cool to label all politicians idiots. If they've managed to secure a position of wealth and power while we're here whining about it on an anime forum then we've pretty clearly not won much. |
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CurseGoddess said: To give a serious response that I know this topic isn't deserving of, you really would have to be stupid and/or biased to think that being trans is "celebrated", because it isn't in any meaningful way. Trans people suffer a higher violence rate than almost anyone else and are killed simply for being trans, often receive no financial help in transitioning, are often disowned by their families, are sometimes subject to a loss of rights under the guise of "religious freedom", are often put in wrong prisons, and other such issues. People with no power over these things being supportive does nothing to make them better. It can honestly feel pretty scary to be trans at times, and I know that from experience. There are plenty of people who refuse to even have the decency of treating you like another human being, and would sooner view you as an object or even just a simple 'freak", or like someone in this topic said, "trash". That's all I have to say on the matter. You're full of shit. I heard about how Bruce Jenner was for like 5 months befor the whole election shit took place.. "Errm gerd he's lyke the most brave woman" ... People are fucking insane. |
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| Having a mental illness is stigmatized so it doesn't make much a difference. notraven said: Clinically speaking though, being transsexual probably isn't considered an illness, since gender altering medical operations exist, which would directly support such an issue, probably leading to quite a few legal disputes. They don't fix the issue for most. It just puts a bandage on it. By your logic anorexia, bulemia, body dysmorphic disorder, and body identity integrity disorder arent an illness either because they can get surgery. |
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Ouroboros108 said: Here's my understanding: Trans people generally have to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria before actually having to take hormones and surgery. It's classified as dysphoria, or alternatively as a distress. Hence why Trans people aim to take surgery and hormones. Some however, do not. This could be because of the environment that they live in, or that they do not have the finances to undertake transition. Or maybe they just recognize that it is weird to chop off your cocknballs or lob off your boobs.... |
Nibs- said: Ouroboros108 said: Here's my understanding: Trans people generally have to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria before actually having to take hormones and surgery. It's classified as dysphoria, or alternatively as a distress. Hence why Trans people aim to take surgery and hormones. Some however, do not. This could be because of the environment that they live in, or that they do not have the finances to undertake transition. Or maybe they just recognize that it is weird to chop off your cocknballs or lob off your boobs.... for many trans people the surgery isn't the most important part, it's just how they present themselves to the world. you can go a long way with just crossdressing and telling people you're a woman. I know a m2f trans girl and dayum if she doesn't look like a girl in her selfies now its actually insane. Where as before he was this fucking macho dude who did MMA. No joke lol. |
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traed said: Having a mental illness is stigmatized so it doesn't make much a difference. notraven said: Clinically speaking though, being transsexual probably isn't considered an illness, since gender altering medical operations exist, which would directly support such an issue, probably leading to quite a few legal disputes. They don't fix the issue for most. It just puts a bandage on it. By your logic anorexia, bulemia, body dysmorphic disorder, and body identity integrity disorder arent an illness either because they can get surgery. I think you've missed my point here. I was trying to convey that gender altering surgeries are allowed for people who feel like they should be a different gender. They're allowed to get that surgery, which would further their condition, so to speak. However, an anorexic won't be able to get a liposuction, for example, a surgery which would support their mental illness. |
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razor39999 said: notraven said: Gender identity is part of everyone's personality, and doesn't represent a health issue in and of itself, or is in any way harmful to others. And the only way to reconcile a brain of a certain identity with their body is to adapt the body to it, which we have the medical technology to do now. You seem to be going from the other way around, your body determining your mind, instead of your mind being the center of your personality.I think you've missed my point here. I was trying to convey that gender altering surgeries are allowed for people who feel like they should be a different gender. They're allowed to get that surgery, which would further their condition, so to speak. However, an anorexic won't be able to get a liposuction, for example, a surgery which would support their mental illness. And again this misrepresentation of anorexia is silly. It's also the mind having a different idea of the body shape, but in this case the body shape they want is actively harmful to their livelihood. So the end result of their body image is death, while the end result of a transexuals body image is the body of a different gender. The first is different from the norm but also extremely dangerous, the second is different from the norm. So that means we agree? I don't understand why you're reiterating. I don't believe I've said that gender identity was a health issue or harmful to others. Neither did I imply that a person's body was the centre for their personality, in fact I don't believe I even touched the personality subject. The only time I even somewhat mentioned mentality was when explaining that making the decision to switch genders was incredibly important. Indeed, the anorexia example is quite a bad one, I was simply going with it because it was the one I was given. |
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| Is it being celebrated? I thought they just don't want to be discriminated against. |
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razor39999 said: @notraven It's this part "They're allowed to get that surgery, which would further their condition, so to speak." that got me going, and the overall blanket coverage of pretty much everything different from the norm as mental illness that you seem to have going. Perhaps the sentence was is poorly worded. I specifically added "so to speak" so it'd be more clear that I don't consider it a mental illness or condition. If you scroll up, you'll see that I've already stated this earlier as well. notraven said: Well, the term mental illness has been throughly bastardised during the past decade. Seems like anything will fall under the description of "a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking". Clinically speaking though, being transsexual probably isn't considered an illness. I have no idea how all of the above will come off, so let me get my own opinion out there. I don't support it, but that doesn't mean I oppose it either. Frankly I just don't give a damn. I don't actively support it because I don't think that it's biologically sustainable, nor does it fit with my own morals. At the same time I'm not against it because it's not going to affect my life anyway. Even if a relative were to get transgender surgery, so what? Not as if I have to go get one as well now. And heck, if they're happier now then great. |
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| @Lux_Lucis huh, why would it have to go along feminism? I'm for gender equality and there's no paradox accepting trans people for me :3 |
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Lux_Lucis said: Oh look it that topic again. Funny thing that no one ever managed to talk back at the fact that Trans-sexuality spits in the face of Feminism. Not only that it spits on it, it smears it all around nicely so that there's plenty of room for another layer. Explanation for the simple minded: Feminism dictates that a Woman is a Woman just because she's a Woman. Not because she's dressed like one. Not because she behaves like one. Not because she's treated like one. Because she IS a woman. Was Born a woman. Simple. So simple it's retarded. . . . A transsexual MtF says he's a woman because he's dressed like one, referred to as one and behaves like one. He's a Woman because he fits all the stereotypes (!) not because he's a real woman. So you're a woman because you're a woman but you don't have to a woman to be a woman. Great =) Accepting both = severe case of "doublethink" (See 1984 by Orwell). Before I add the heavy layer let's how how that one dealt with. Yo dawg, heard you liked women so here I put a woman in yo women who is also not a woman.... what the actual fuck. This isn't just doublethink. This is some Big Brother level bullshit. |
| I actually wonder why it is discussed at all. Why would anyone care what you have in your pants? Other than your partner and, depending on relations, maybe family, it shouldn't make any difference for anyone if you change something. For me it seems same as removing a mole, getting a tattoo or breast implants, just on bigger scale. |
| @Lux_Lucis I'm not sure what's your point here, but we're not talking about feminism, I'm not sure what "What makes you a Female according to Feminism?" has to do with my answer. Like, I don't care bout feminists and their hundred definitions of genders :x. is gender really that relevant as long as you don't wanna bang anyway? |
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| hello hello am mutilate myself and inject hormones, and totaly diffent gender now even though still have same xx/xy chromosomes then proceed maek entire life about identity as trasn-person definily nothing wrong w/ state of mind |
| Everything can be a mental illness nowadays, espcecially with how most people see the world. What I wanna know is why is the mental illness of beleiving in god celebrated so much. I'd post sources of how people say the exact same things people say when they critique god just worded to make god appear cute and cuddly, yet the world treats that with respect. I'd make that a thread but know I'll get banned lmao. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| WTF is wrong with you people?Just leave them alone,they just want to be happy.They aren't hurting anyone and i don't see problem here. |
| People should ignore feminists almost every single one of them is an idiot especially the ones in Tumblr.Edit:I'm not trying to start an argument but most feminists are annoying to me not all of them but most of them are to me. |
ultravigo said: WTF is wrong with you people?Just leave them alone,they just want to be happy.They aren't hurting anyone and i don't see problem here. What type of people are you specifically referring to? Because a person who is bigoted against them isnt the same as a person who cares about their well-being. Both can object to the current methods of treatment but such objections are not morally equal. I would say those that care about them whether for or against surgery as a go to solution are about the same level. |
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Nibs- said: This really isn't a "troll post", I actually don't understand why being mentally ill makes you "brave and courageous" and the media celebrates it. If you're a Body dysmorphic and think you're fat when you're 75 pounds, it's a mental issue. The same thing is when you're a dude and think you are a woman. There is zero difference. Being a trans person is a mental issue, and doesn't make you a fucking hero. Transexuals are part of the homosexual group. The media kisses up to the gay lobby.Which is why the media makes a big deal of the tranny nonsense. |
| Its only aspiring to people who don't have them. They're the ones who romanticize it and you know what yeah having genuine mental illness or being trans AND dealing with day to day shit on top and managing it is something that should be atleast admired a little. Regular people have to deal with regular day to day shit meanwhile we have to deal with that plus society hating us, crimes against us for being who we are and massive suicide rates because everyone's such an asshole about other people. Nobody gives a fuck about others lives until someone else is doing something they don't agree with then suddenly its all their business. |
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| You exaggerate it alot though, and I really don't see the problem with them being who they are? It's their life. Several scientific studies shows that people who is transgender are born this way, their brain is more similar to the opposite sex than the brain of their biological sex. One of my friends was born female, but he have been just like us other guys since we were kids, the only difference was what we had between our legs. I remember that he got hospitalized at a mental hospital when we were 14 or so, and the reason was how he hated his body to the point that he wanted to commit suicide. He have never been as happy as after he started taking hormones, so of course I will support it, he would have been dead or miserable if he didn't get treatment. |
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razor39999 said: RedRoseFring said: Cause and effect are virtually impossible to get right in many areas of social sciences, since experimenting with these sort of concepts would require prenatal control of hormones and payed actors to represent different amounts of support in your immediate family. And even then, there'd be a ton of potentially important uncontrolled variables. Needless to say, highly unethical and not practiced.The depression from dysphoria is a primary effect, not secondary. It is physiologically and psychologically rooted because the mind disagrees with the body. It is harmful in the sense that it leads to desires of removing working body parts and a higher propensity for suicide. Technically, it is having a view that doesn't align with reality, and while that causes no overt harm it is still viewed as a problem just as with many personality disorders that do not harm others but negatively affect the person experiencing it. Mental illness as a term has indeed been bastardized, and the lines between that and psychological problems have been blurred, in large part do to social acceptance of some situations. I'd say extreme dysphoria is certainly a mental illness, but milder cases and such that do little harm like Rachel Dolezol would be viewed more as psychological issues to be hashed out. OT: I don't think it's celebrated, but taking steps to change your sex or appearance does appear to be. Some even think that is acceptable for children as well. Part of it is due to the culture of oppression in the west where those who are different from the norm have been historically persecuted, so in direct opposition to that, pride is taken in being different. So, whether the depression is only due to discomfort and gets amplified by the environment, or it's due to the fear of the environment that amplifies your discomfort of self is in the end neither here nor there. The environment and the stigma is what needs work, since we already have acceptable treatments for the dysphoria itself. I can understand that some people will never accept or realize how it's possible to think of yourself as a different gender, but as long as therapists can help the immediate family and friends to accept their loved ones, that's what should be encouraged. And if the media can help with that image, sure why not? Triggering super conservatives will always be a possibility, but then again, it was like that with first wave feminism, racial equality, homosexuality, etc. I hope you can see the difference between those scenarios though. Dysphoria unlike the others is a veritable problem that leads to physical issues. Many suffer the problems even after undergoing surgery because the root is also psychological, not just based on physical appearance. There will always be issues because biology itself won't change even if everyone tries to act otherwise. There will be issues in many categories including sports & competitions, reproduction, felonies, etc. Everyone can go along with the perceptions of people suffering personality disorders as well, but many will still be adverse to that idea because it takes a lot to try to reshape reality in your head consistently. |
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Dick_Dawkins said: Everything can be a mental illness nowadays, espcecially with how most people see the world. What I wanna know is why is the mental illness of beleiving in god celebrated so much. I'd post sources of how people say the exact same things people say when they critique god just worded to make god appear cute and cuddly, yet the world treats that with respect. I'd make that a thread but know I'll get banned lmao. That would be difficult to do considering the majority of people believe in God/gods. It would be the lack of belief in God that would be treated as an illness because it doesn't conform to the norm. In fact, I do believe some cultures have treated it as such. OT: Another issue that tends to stem from these identity discussions is what constitutes reality and if reality has no discernible form, then anyone can make whatever they want out of it. Mental states matter, but the physical matters as well. The case of the man who believes he's a little girl and got adopted by a family comes to mind. Even if those around him accept that, they wouldn't be able to change the reality of the world around them. If that man hit a child, it wouldn't be children playing, that would be assault and inexcusable regardless of his mental state. He would not be able to share facilities with children and would be sent to an adult male prison facility, not written off because he was a child or maybe sent to juvie. The physical and biological differentiation of identity is important in how we interact with each other and trying to achieve the utmost equity for all people. |
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