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| I don't think all the casualties happened in the first invasion. From what you're saying, they probably died on the other side while helping the nations they had a pact with. I have a hard time believing that they'd die to Trion soldiers, even without bail out. Unless there were enemy Trigger users in that battle. |
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| They were few but the attack was small as well, from what we know anyway. This is conjecture but I don't think they were less skilled either. Old Triggers and no bail out make perfect sense, and I get that, but still Azuma's attackers had no problems cutting down Trion soldiers using JUST Kogetsu. I'm not trying to understate their skills (they have 7k points) but I doubt they are better than members of Old Border. Lastly we know for a fact Mogami died before the first invasion, so it's very possible a few others died before him as well. That scenario makes much more sense imo since it means even less than 19 people were present for the defense 4.5 years ago (meaning Border's job was harder and higher chances to die). And if anyone died back then I can only speculate that it was whoever made Amo's BT. This is all assuming no Trigger users were on the opposing side. |
BotatoOct 20, 2016 5:24 AM
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Botato said: They were few but the attack was small as well, from what we know anyway. This is conjecture but I don't think they were less skilled either. Old Triggers and and no bail out makes perfect sense, and I get that, but still Azuma's attackers had no problems cutting down Trion soldiers using JUST Kogetsu. I'm not trying to understate their skills (they have 7k points) but I doubt they are better than members of Old Border. Lastly we know for a fact Mogami died before the first invasion, so it's very possible a few others died before him as well. That scenario makes much more sense imo since it means even less than 19 people were present for the defense 4.5 years ago (meaning Border's job was harder and higher chances to die). And if anyone died back then I can only speculate that it was whoever made Amo's BT. This is all assuming no Trigger users were on the opposing side. Well back they didn't have the same level of training that current Border does, so I have to imagine they were just poorly trained. |
| Also this means that Border can power up (as in get Black Triggers) in the future without Ashihara having to kill any of the current characters (like Shinoda or Jin for example). |
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p-kun said: Wait did you just add the parts about Yuma? Because that really sounds like trouble for him later on. I wonder if he'll be forced to use his BT.Updated the spoiler. Actually hold on, Jin might see this coming and Yuma might only need to stall until on duty squads arrive. |
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| Didn't Galopoula say that kidnapping or killing people might start an unnecessary war that they didn't want to have? Kidnapping Yuma seems counter intuitive to that |
| Edit: Okay, turns out I was right after all judging by the transcript ("they died 5 years ago a bit before the conflict"). Pretty impressive that only 9 people (maybe 8 if Matoko already left by then) ended the first invasion. That means a maximum of 7 combatants unless Yuri also used to fight. I guess now we know why it lasted two whole days(?) despite being smaller in scale than the 2 hour long Aftokrator invasion. Dues-aj said: If they plan a perfect ambush and he gets back up inexplicably then they will confirm Jin's SE at least.Didn't Galopoula say that kidnapping or killing people might start an unnecessary war that they didn't want to have? Kidnapping Yuma seems counter intuitive to that |
BotatoOct 21, 2016 2:54 PM
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Botato said: Dues-aj said: If they plan a perfect ambush and he gets back up inexplicably then they will confirm Jin's SE at least.Didn't Galopoula say that kidnapping or killing people might start an unnecessary war that they didn't want to have? Kidnapping Yuma seems counter intuitive to that Yeah, but didn't Reghi get chided for just looking like he was going to attack civilians? |
| I'm still reading the commentaries etc so, maybe, I'll drop a word or two but...who is Makoto? (Silva, said "Osamu will[..]" like if we already knew who he is). Did I missed something? 'Cause we have the Makoto boy, from Chano's squad, and Makoto from Jin's OneShot. |
| "[...]I have to admit I'm not a big anime fan. Most anime that makes it over here seems to be either about schoolgirls with supernatural powers who battle evil, or adolescent boys who - for some convoluted reason - wind up having to pilot big giant robots...although, today, you just need to put some boobs or harem and fantasy and it'll be 10/10." |
Dues-aj said: Yeah you're right. But I just remembered something, Tamakoma Branch isn't in the forbidden zone right? So they will have to try to ambush Yuma in the residential area, meaning a fight is unlikely. If they try to kidnap him without actually fighting, Yuma just disappears suddenly from Border's perspective. There would be no proof Galo did it.Botato said: If they plan a perfect ambush and he gets back up inexplicably then they will confirm Jin's SE at least. Yeah, but didn't Reghi get chided for just looking like he was going to attack civilians? If they succeed, they have someone they can use back home I guess, without risks. If someone suddenly shows up and makes Yuma change the path he's taking, or just decides to stick with him until he gets to Tamakoma, then they kind of confirm Jin's SE (basically before the ambush actually starts, it gets intercepted, so Galo gets to retreat without angering Border). Now, Jin saw their faces so he will know if they're coming, but he didn't see Yomi. So assuming Galo managed to figure out this much Yomi would be the one to do the ambush. Idk, can't think of more right now. |
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Botato said: Dues-aj said: Yeah you're right. But I just remembered something, Tamakoma Branch isn't in the forbidden zone right? So they will have to try to ambush Yuma in the residential area, meaning a fight is unlikely. If they try to kidnap him without actually fighting, Yuma just disappears suddenly from Border's perspective. There would be no proof Galo did it.Yeah, but didn't Reghi get chided for just looking like he was going to attack civilians? If they succeed, they have someone they can use back home I guess, without risks. If someone suddenly shows up and makes Yuma change the path he's taking, or just decides to stick with him until he gets to Tamakoma, then they kind of confirm Jin's SE (basically before the ambush actually starts, it gets intercepted, so Galo gets to retreat without angering Border). Now, Jin saw their faces so he will know if they're coming, but he didn't see Yomi. So assuming Galo managed to figure out this much Yomi would be the one to do the ambush. Idk, can't think of more right now. Well if Yuma disappeared there are only 2 planets in orbit to blame. So Galopoula would have to try an frame Rhodokroun to be successful. Now trying t use Yuma as bait to confirm Jin's side effect might be a thing but it could also be risky. |
| Wait didn't they say there are 3 planets approaching? Edit: Anyway it sounds like flags but it could be just a tease. |
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Botato said: Wait didn't they say there are 3 planets approaching? Edit: Anyway it sounds like flags but it could be just a tease. Yes, but the third planet was never referenced as imortant |
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p-kun said: - Foreshadowing that Yuuma will be the one kidnapped by Galo? But Yuuma is really enjoying his life. Hanging out with friends, going to friend's house (Okonomiyaki dinner! I hope Arafune will go too after the sniper practice, considering how close Kageura - Murakami - Arafune are), making canadian friend... Surprisingly things that Yuuma and Osamu or Yuuma and Chika don't do. It's very unlikely since before Yuma joined the border, Jin stressed that Yuma's would get more fun time from here on, and for that, he even forfeited his BT to HQ. No wonder, he is enjoying more and more, and who know he may befriend the Galapoula after they know Yuma is a neighbor, but I'm stretching it too far! |
| Raw is up on mangamint http://www.mangamint.com/world-trigger-162 Wow! So Jin has been putting on the same attire for all these 6 years!! Incredible! that cloth is on a whole other level, this technology will ruin the textile, garment and apparel industries!! In the group photo, Jin was looking a Makoto and Makoto was looking at Jin, could it be platonic or romantic? Wow! So Reiji had his crush on Yuri for at least 6 years!! Wow, that's something!! And all these time he couldn't muster any courage to approach her!! So the sunglass style is passed from Mogami >> Jin >> Midorikawa |
Uma_double12Oct 21, 2016 6:32 AM
| At first, I also thought that Yuma night out sounded like foreshadowing but now that I've read the pastebin translation it sounds a lot less ominous. Also, unless the translator is mistaken we are going to skip ahead at least a day to watch the teams stategize. I know a lot of us are waiting to see if/when Galo does something else but for now I'd rather just get it over with with the rank wars. As for Galo, I think it would be interesting if instead of attacking Miden directly, they attacked the vessel once it is BETWEEN worlds. This way, they could accomplish their mission and not risk retaliation because A: They destroyed Miden's ship and B: Miden would have no way to know what actually happened to their crew. Finally, this way they would ensure to be fighting only a limited number of enemies AND to be able to fight together instead of dispersed all around Mikado. |
JCNSilva said: Osamu's rival is Yuiga.On a sidenote, Doesn't Osamu have any friends outside Tamakoma? Maybe he could evolve quickly if he had some kind of friendship-rivalry relationship like Yuuma and Chika have with other members. |
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| Can someone post a link where I can read these chapters this early? I normally read from mangatown or mangafox but it seems some other sites have the newer chapters out earlier... Nothing anymore... As to anyone else with the same problem - search mangamint |
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Jonxunhe said: I been searching the whole wiki. There 3 person move to Current Border HQ, Kido, Shinoda and Kiriyama Who is this kiriyama?? Anyone help? One more thing, I saw the manga already. Where in this all indicated that Yuma will get kidnap or even kidnap will happen?? Kiriyama hasn't been introduced yet iirc. And the kidnapping thing was just a bad translation of the spoilers |
TheOllie said: Can someone post a link where I can read these chapters this early? I normally read from mangatown or mangafox but it seems some other sites have the newer chapters out earlier... Nothing anymore... As to anyone else with the same problem - search mangamint I don't know if you will be able to read the whole chapter; however, you could read some spoilers and after few hours- 5-12 hrs- you could read the translation of the chapter only in text form from pastebin due to someone's generosity. If you want that then go to: reddit.com/r/worldtrigger/ and search for the chapter in Wednesday or Thursday. But if you want the translated chapter then you should wait for mangamint to upload it 3 days after the chapter is dropped in South Korea. There are others who could give you better option; but this is what I am following. |
Dues-aj said: It was overthinking bad translation, yeah. Neither Yuma nor Reiji insisted on anything.Jonxunhe said: And the kidnapping thing was just a bad translation of the spoilersOne more thing, I saw the manga already. Where in this all indicated that Yuma will get kidnap or even kidnap will happen?? Also let me take this chance to say that the wiki is kind of bad for WT. It's not always updated and has a lot of questionable statements (like Galo getting BO tech from Afto after Afto supposedly analyzed Border's tech... I don't remember any of this in the manga or bbf). So yeah, if someone is confused about something or can't find certain info they'd better ask here or look through Chippo's posts. |
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Botato said: Dues-aj said: It was overthinking bad translation, yeah. Neither Yuma nor Reiji insisted on anything.And the kidnapping thing was just a bad translation of the spoilers Also let me take this chance to say that the wiki is kind of bad for WT. It's not always updated and has a lot of questionable statements (like Galo getting BO tech from Afto after Afto supposedly analyzed Border's tech... I don't remember any of this in the manga or bbf). So yeah, if someone is confused about something or can't find certain info they'd better ask here or look through Chippo's posts. It's a decent assumption that Galopoula got bail out from Aftokrator, but yeah it shouldn't be stated as fact |
Amorim92 said: great chapter! Is the girl who quit border related to Osamo? Seemed a lot like her mother. Also I'm sure she will appear later in the history since otherwise there is not a purpose to tell us that someone quit Maybe some of them aren't dead but just missing and will make a comeback in the aftorkrator invasion. It's definitely not his mom. His mom met Shinoda and he hasn't said anything regarding that. There's this theory that Mato left border and started doing some digging on her own and is one of the co-conspirators along with Hatohara and Rinji. However there is an equal chance that she's just leading a normal life. After all she was introduced with every other person who's alive. It's not like she was specifically mentioned or something. |
HyreinVeltiston said: Aside from meeting Shinoda, Osamu himself didn't make a comment. Just like Yuri and Teruya, we have to assume in-universe they don't actually look alike. Edit: Just remembered that his mom also met Jin and everyone from Tamakoma.Amorim92 said: great chapter! Is the girl who quit border related to Osamo? Seemed a lot like her mother. Also I'm sure she will appear later in the history since otherwise there is not a purpose to tell us that someone quit Maybe some of them aren't dead but just missing and will make a comeback in the aftorkrator invasion. It's definitely not his mom. His mom met Shinoda and he hasn't said anything regarding that. There's this theory that Mato left border and started doing some digging on her own and is one of the co-conspirators along with Hatohara and Rinji. However there is an equal chance that she's just leading a normal life. After all she was introduced with every other person who's alive. It's not like she was specifically mentioned or something. As for the theory about her being with Hatohara, I doubt that, she really has no reason to go. If she did, she wouldn't have quit Border in the first place. Being one of the original members, she'd have higher chances to get whatever she wanted from expeditions, not to mention Border would have known from the Trion reaction, or at least know of her disappearance (they knew Chika's brother was involved, so likely would know if Mato was as well). |
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deadmanwalking13 said: p-kun said: -My speculation: Kido's true goal is to collect the black triggers that was his friends but stolen. I feel like this may be jumping the gun a little... I LIKE THIS THEORY. That would be the best plot twist for WT yet and it makes sense in my opinion. It's also suspicious that they haven't exactly numbered how many black triggers were made with the death of ten people Well we know creating a Black Trigger isn't a perfect process. It could be a couple people died attempting to make one. |
| Kido's smile is gone :( More possible black triggers with all those deaths and maybe possible betrayal by the country they saved. |
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icecreamsnow said: Hatohara wasn't allowed to go on expedition because she couldn't shoot people. She didn't throw anything away, she never could go in the first place.Botato said: As for the theory about her being with Hatohara, I doubt that, she really has no reason to go. If she did, she wouldn't have quit Border in the first place. Being one of the original members, she'd have higher chances to get whatever she wanted from expeditions, not to mention Border would have known from the Trion reaction, or at least know of her disappearance (they knew Chika's brother was involved, so likely would know if Mato was as well). Really not sure to be honest. My understanding was that Hatohara had passed the selection test to go on the expedition (I assuming that meant she could be selected, not that she necessarily would be) and was in an A-ranked squad. So it's hard for me to believe that she would throw that away to steal three triggers and to give them to three rookie civilians. Rinji's exchange with Osamu always seemed suspicious to me. Especially his comment about Osamu being "too honest and sincere", almost if he or his mission were going to be the opposite. I always wondered why he didn't try to join Border, or maybe he did try and the requirements were insanely high at the time. Whilst I doubt it's Mato-chan, she would tick a lot of boxes, as someone with neighbour and trigger knowledge. From a writing perspective it would seem more plausible to me if there were a third party involved, that wasn't Rinji or Hatohara. There's also the matter of whatever Nino is holding back. As I said if it was her then Border would have known already, and we would have heard something about that by now. |
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JCNSilva said: Botato said: Hatohara wasn't allowed to go on expedition because she couldn't shoot people. She didn't throw anything away, she never could go in the first place. As I said if it was her then Border would have known already, and we would have heard something about that by now. Maybe not. Border is trying so much hide info about this. Her whereabouts are unknown to us readers so she really can be one of the contributors. As for Ninomiya infos, I think they will be real game changers. I'm not sure if I like that theory but I do think that the possibility of Mato being involved/leader of the AWOLs is very real. Border wouldn't necessarily know since she left a long time ago and trion signatures are associated to trigger and not individuals (I think). They knew it was Hatohara because she used her own trigger and Rinji because he went missing at the same time. As for her motive, I can think of a MILLION plausible reasons why she would want to go to the neighborhood without Border's consent/help. When you look the circumstances of the AWOLs incident, it is clear that without being bad,their reasons for leaving must be very selfish. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have left. |
| finally i understand what (forgot who) said to Miwa about Jin losing someone/people close to him (Mogami and the other old borders team). dat feels |
| "... Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled." |
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