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TeamDalaiLana said: hi please Google non smartphone battery stand by time. The typical phones esp from 90s have an average of close to a month of stand by. That is fully connected to a network. Imagine one without a network or switched off. Btw can i ask your age? Surely someone who's been around the nineties would know better. If you're young then I don't mind. I've been around since the 80's, mate. I also tend to use an actual old-school Nokia non-smart phone on business trips to less developed, less scrupulous countries on occasion, even today. I'm not sure about whether you take everything you learn from Google sensei, but I speak from actual experience. Even fully charged and without a useable network, my old-school Nokia lasts for little more than a week on standby. TeamDalaiLana said: Now assuming his phone was turned off or even turned on. It would still have battery left. And turning the phone off should not affect the clock. The energy supply for the internal clock is very very very very small. Jesus h christ do ya'll never own a phone or a wrist watch. A watch with a small battery supply can last YEARS YEARS I repeat YEARS You use a lot of assumptions in your arguments I see. Need I remind you that a watch with a small battery only functions as a watch, whilst a phone does tend to have more functions and uses, and a screen that actually lights up as well, that tends to drain battery charge faster. |
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L-Ryoshi said: I also speak from experience but coupled that with google. I actually research the stand by times of phones tested by professional instead of just coming up with things out of my ass.TeamDalaiLana said: hi please Google non smartphone battery stand by time. The typical phones esp from 90s have an average of close to a month of stand by. That is fully connected to a network. Imagine one without a network or switched off. Btw can i ask your age? Surely someone who's been around the nineties would know better. If you're young then I don't mind. I've been around since the 80's, mate. I also tend to use an actual old-school Nokia non-smart phone on business trips to less developed countries on occasion, even today. I'm not sure about whether you take everything you learn from Google sensei, but I speak from actual experience. And most modern smart phones should last a week if turned off. Apple Iphone and Samsung Galaxy S series etc. |
TeamDalaiLanaAug 9, 2016 10:36 PM
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TeamDalaiLana said: L-Ryoshi said: I also speak from experience but coupled that with google. I actually research the stand by times of phones tested by professional instead of just coming up with things out of my ass.I've been around since the 80's, mate. I also tend to use an actual old-school Nokia non-smart phone on business trips to less developed countries on occasion, even today. I'm not sure about whether you take everything you learn from Google sensei, but I speak from actual experience. The question is, is that what you are accusing the rest of us of doing here? As I said before, I'm currently using one of those old school non-smart phone models. Plus, you are basing your argument on optimal statistics for phones that are probably fresh out of the box. There's something called corrosion of battery and wear and tear, mate. A phone that's been used for several years (heck several months even) will work less optimally than the same model of phone that was just recently purchased. Your 380 hours lifespan after several months or years may end up being just a hundred or so hours, depending on how well you maintain your equipment. Subaru doesn't strike me as the type of person who carefully preserves his tools, mate. |
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L-Ryoshi said: You use a lot of assumptions in your arguments I see. Need I remind you that a watch with a small battery only functions as a watch, whilst a phone does tend to have more functions and uses, and a screen that actually lights up as well, that tends to drain battery charge faster. Yes, but when a phone is turned off. The internal clock inside the phone is drawing a very tiny minuscule power from it. That should have almost zero effect to the actual battery life of the phone. I don't understand why it's hard to get? The clock is not dead as long as the battery is attached to the phone. |
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TeamDalaiLana said: L-Ryoshi said: You use a lot of assumptions in your arguments I see. Need I remind you that a watch with a small battery only functions as a watch, whilst a phone does tend to have more functions and uses, and a screen that actually lights up as well, that tends to drain battery charge faster. Yes, but when a phone is turned off. The internal clock inside the phone is drawing a very tiny minuscule power from it. I don't understand why it's hard to get? The clock is not dead as long as the battery is attached to the phone. Never said the clock was dead mate. We have and always have been discussing the improbability that Subaru's phone, be it an old-school model or a revamped high-tech model, can supposedly last the amount of time that it has in this series. Your throwing out statistics doesn't prove all that much except that unless all your assumptions of the phone type (an old school phone) and phone condition (well maintained and possibly new) and the time that has passed (roughly 2 weeks or so) are correct, then it would be possible for the phone still being on not to be a plot hole. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Now you're just really grasping at straws in order to critic. Bravo.TeamDalaiLana said: I also speak from experience but coupled that with google. I actually research the stand by times of phones tested by professional instead of just coming up with things out of my ass. The question is, is that what you are accusing the rest of us of doing here? As I said before, I'm currently using one of those old school non-smart phone models. Plus, you are basing your argument on optimal statistics for phones that are probably fresh out of the box. There's something called corrosion of battery and wear and tear, mate. A phone that's been used for several years (heck several months even) will work less optimally than the same model of phone that was just recently purchased. Your 380 hours lifespan after several months or years may end up being just a hundred or so hours, depending on how well you maintain your equipment. Subaru doesn't strike me as the type of person who carefully preserves his tools, mate. I know what that is, do you mean "Charge Cycle"? You're coming with things out of your ass again. Battery depletion is NEVER that fast. Yes it will deplete depending on your usage but stastics: A battery should deliver 100 percent capacity during the first year of service http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries If your phone or laptop battery is literally wasting away like @L-Ryoshi is saying then you must have bought a faulty phone or laptop. You need to immediately return it. |
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Rehls said: @L-Ryoshi Have you considered that he was transported to a day time in the fantasy world while it was night time in the old world? The time in the phone should be inverted. 12:00 would be 24:00 and vise versa. Yes, you are correct. That would explain the difference in the time on the phone with the actual visual external time in that world, yes. But it still wouldn't explain just how he managed to keep the phone on (or on standby, whatever the kids are arguing about) throughout the course of his adventures thus far without recharging it, and still be able to turn it on. TeamDalaiLana has been arguing about the possibility of it happening based on optimal figures from Google, but if we were to be realistic about battery charge leakage on old phones and wear and tear, I do not believe that his argument can be taken as the true reason. Mind you, I'm just basing what I've stated on personal experiences with pre-smart phone era phones and my knowledge of batteries. I'm not disproving the possibility that there's some "magic" at work that allows for the phone to maintain it's charge or anything like that. Heck, if the author tells me that every time Subaru get's zapped by magic, his phone gets recharged a little I would probably accept it, since it's the author's world and he can do whatever he wants. However, because we haven't received any information that, I'm just going by what we've been presented in the anime, meaning that there hasn't been anything shown to be able to charge Subaru's phone since he arrived in this world, ergo given the time he's passed thus far in this world, it would seem highly unlikely that his phone would be able to maintain it's own life that much longer, be it a smart phone made to look like an old phone or an actual old-school phone. LN readers feel free to correct me, since if such an explanation existed, you guys would probably be the more likely party to know. |
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TeamDalaiLana said: L-Ryoshi said: Now you're just really grasping at straws in order to critic. Bravo.The question is, is that what you are accusing the rest of us of doing here? As I said before, I'm currently using one of those old school non-smart phone models. Plus, you are basing your argument on optimal statistics for phones that are probably fresh out of the box. There's something called corrosion of battery and wear and tear, mate. A phone that's been used for several years (heck several months even) will work less optimally than the same model of phone that was just recently purchased. Your 380 hours lifespan after several months or years may end up being just a hundred or so hours, depending on how well you maintain your equipment. Subaru doesn't strike me as the type of person who carefully preserves his tools, mate. I know what that is, do you mean "Charge Cycle"? You're coming with things out of your ass again. Battery depletion is NEVER that fast. Yes it will deplete depending on your usage but stastics: A battery should deliver 100 percent capacity during the first year of service http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries If your phone or laptop battery is literally wasting away like @L-Ryoshi is saying then you must have bought a faulty phone or laptop. You need to immediately return it. Again, you are taking optimal situations to prove your point. Notice that your quote says "Should" and not "must"? That's because it all depends on the user. Companies have an obligation to assure customers that their products can work at optimal condition for a certain period of time, but fact is they have no obligation to ensure that products will definitely do just that if the user mistreats said products or uses them not as intended. The question here is, do YOU know how long Subaru has had that phone? Can YOU be 100% positive that Subaru hasn't been using it under optimal conditions and kept the phone well maintained throughout the course of that time? We've all seen Subaru go through a lot of shit to get to where he's at. If his phone has always been on his body, it's been through poundings by Elsa, a pounding by that wolf pack, a beating by Julius and plenty more during the current timeline. Can you be absolutely positive that throughout all of that, the phone has been well maintained and relatively unscathed? And seriously, lay off with the insults, mate. Just because my experience with a phone I'm currently using on the side doesn't match up with what Google sensei has been telling you doesn't mean I'm talking out of my ass. |
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| If you don't know what Stand By or what a charge cycle is, you really shouldn't be raising arguments about phones or tech in general. As a tech savvy person myself I know a thing or two about it. There's also phones out there right now (modern ones) that are made to last. I can literally raise the same logical fallacy by saying he bought a modern phone with extra juice thus it can last for months. But more realistically, his phone this type usually have a longer battery life compared to a smart phone. He has not been using it that much at all. Keeping it completely turned off can preserve the battery life for quite some time. So it's not unbelievable to see a phone esp this type functioning after all this time. |
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TeamDalaiLana said: If you don't know what Stand By or what a charge cycle is, you really shouldn't be raising arguments about phones or tech in general. As a tech savvy person myself I know a thing or two about it. There's also phones out there right now (modern ones) that are made to last. I can literally raise the same logical fallacy by saying he bought a modern phone with extra juice thus it can last for months. But more realistically, his phone this type usually have a longer battery life compared to a smart phone. He has not been using it that much at all. Keeping it completely turned off can preserve the battery life for quite some time. So it's not unbelievable to see a phone esp this type functioning after all this time. Mate, you need to stop assuming that just because we don't break out "tech-savvy" terms means we don't know what we're talking about. Plus, you still haven't answered my previous questions. Do you actually know how long Subaru has had and been using that phone? Do you know how well maintained the phone has been? http://www.zdnet.com/article/ten-reasons-to-still-consider-a-basic-flip-phone-in-todays-smartphone-world/ Also, by the above article, your average modern flip phone normally maintains a battery life of between 3 days to a week without charging. It should be quite obvious that they are talking about normal use (ie, the phone will be on standby mode at times during the day) Now just how long has Subaru been in this world? Not that I feel like arguing with you or anything, Just trying to be realistic about these things. |
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| Just gotta say that Ringtone Part at the end was LIT ASF. Especially when it went silent, to let it play for a bit. |
L-Ryoshi said: Damn gurl, u tryin..but imma give it to u. I'm going to be a bit rachet so bear coz this aint a college essay.TeamDalaiLana said: Now you're just really grasping at straws in order to critic. Bravo. I know what that is, do you mean "Charge Cycle"? You're coming with things out of your ass again. Battery depletion is NEVER that fast. Yes it will deplete depending on your usage but stastics: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries If your phone or laptop battery is literally wasting away like @L-Ryoshi is saying then you must have bought a faulty phone or laptop. You need to immediately return it. Again, you are taking optimal situations to prove your point. Notice that your quote says "Should" and not "must"? That's because it all depends on the user. Companies have an obligation to assure customers that their products can work at optimal condition for a certain period of time, but fact is they have no obligation to ensure that products will definitely do just that if the user mistreats said products or uses them not as intended. The question here is, do YOU know how long Subaru has had that phone? Can YOU be 100% positive that Subaru hasn't been using it under optimal conditions and kept the phone well maintained throughout the course of that time? We've all seen Subaru go through a lot of shit to get to where he's at. If his phone has always been on his body, it's been through poundings by Elsa, a pounding by that wolf pack, a beating by Julius and plenty more during the current timeline. Can you be absolutely positive that throughout all of that, the phone has been well maintained and relatively unscathed? And seriously, lay off with the insults, mate. Just because my experience with a phone I'm currently using on the side doesn't match up with what Google sensei has been telling you doesn't mean I'm talking out of my ass. 1. "Should" not "must" honey did you even read the article. It's a research. A good not faulty battery should be able to do that. And you're right bout the user but the thing is unless you're literally burning your phone everyday (extreme heat affect battery life span) the level/percentage of battery life depletion is not as fast as you're saying. 2. What kind of fallacious argument you're raising? You assumed dat. You're assuming its on his body taking the beating (which shouldn't affect its battery life at all). And even so you know there's meme going on about old phones and how newer phones would break when dropped while older ones would break the floor? Not saying that reality is like a meme but there is some truth to that. Google clamshell design honey. Not only that it is honestly far more durable to modern smartphones. Modern phones are very thin with huge crackle screen. A nokia. You could throw off a building and it would still work. Or do you need me to post the various test videos that have been done on Youtube? This is literally all facts, I'm saying with zero assumption. I could've said this: He just bought the phone and left it some table this whole time just like how you're assuming it's an old ass phone with 0 battery life.  |
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the anime not tell us how much time subaru already in that world or i missed it, every anime only watcher here just speculating how much time he already spent. maybe for ln readers know but in this case its will become spoiler. |
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L-Ryoshi said: TeamDalaiLana said: If you don't know what Stand By or what a charge cycle is, you really shouldn't be raising arguments about phones or tech in general. As a tech savvy person myself I know a thing or two about it. There's also phones out there right now (modern ones) that are made to last. I can literally raise the same logical fallacy by saying he bought a modern phone with extra juice thus it can last for months. But more realistically, his phone this type usually have a longer battery life compared to a smart phone. He has not been using it that much at all. Keeping it completely turned off can preserve the battery life for quite some time. So it's not unbelievable to see a phone esp this type functioning after all this time. Mate, you need to stop assuming that just because we don't break out "tech-savvy" terms means we don't know what we're talking about. Plus, you still haven't answered my previous questions. Do you actually know how long Subaru has had and been using that phone? Do you know how well maintained the phone has been? http://www.zdnet.com/article/ten-reasons-to-still-consider-a-basic-flip-phone-in-todays-smartphone-world/ Also, by the above article, your average modern flip phone normally maintains a battery life of between 3 days to a week without charging. It should be quite obvious that they are talking about normal use (ie, the phone will be on standby mode at times during the day) Now just how long has Subaru been in this world? Not that I feel like arguing with you or anything, Just trying to be realistic about these things. Realistic? The things you're basing your arguments on are mostly assumptions. 1. You really didn't have knowledge about clamshell phones and its battery life 2. You assumed that Subaru kept the phone ON all the time based on thin air..nothing. 3. You assumed that he is an idiot with no knowledge of tech. ( arent otaku a bit more techy than normies) And you still don't know what standby mode is. I posted my previous reply without seeing this so i'm guessing you're now informed about the durability of a clamshell design. A phone on standby can last say a week. It can last up to a month turned off. It's like i'm repeating myself. here. Subaru has not been seen taking phone calls on the show so we can safetly say it's not turned on most of the time. Even if we assumed that he's a careless idiot AND that phone is on his body this entire time (this is really reaching for the stars). It should still work based on the facts presented so far. |
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TeamDalaiLana said: L-Ryoshi said: Damn gurl, u tryin..but imma give it to u. I'm going to be a bit rachet so bear coz this aint a college essay.Again, you are taking optimal situations to prove your point. Notice that your quote says "Should" and not "must"? That's because it all depends on the user. Companies have an obligation to assure customers that their products can work at optimal condition for a certain period of time, but fact is they have no obligation to ensure that products will definitely do just that if the user mistreats said products or uses them not as intended. The question here is, do YOU know how long Subaru has had that phone? Can YOU be 100% positive that Subaru hasn't been using it under optimal conditions and kept the phone well maintained throughout the course of that time? We've all seen Subaru go through a lot of shit to get to where he's at. If his phone has always been on his body, it's been through poundings by Elsa, a pounding by that wolf pack, a beating by Julius and plenty more during the current timeline. Can you be absolutely positive that throughout all of that, the phone has been well maintained and relatively unscathed? And seriously, lay off with the insults, mate. Just because my experience with a phone I'm currently using on the side doesn't match up with what Google sensei has been telling you doesn't mean I'm talking out of my ass. 1. "Should" not "must" honey did you even read the article. It's a research. A good not faulty battery should be able to do that. And you're right bout the user but the thing is unless you're literally burning your phone everyday (extreme heat affect battery life span) the level/percentage of battery life depletion is not as fast as you're saying. 2. What kind of fallacious argument you're raising? You assumed dat. You're assuming its on his body taking the beating (which shouldn't affect its battery life at all). And even so you know there's meme going on about old phones and how newer phones would break when dropped while older ones would break the floor? Not saying that reality is like a meme but there is some truth to that. Google clamshell design honey. Not only that it is honestly far more durable to modern smartphones. Modern phones are very thin with huge crackle screen. A nokia. You could throw off a building and it would still work. Or do you need me to post the various test videos that have been done on Youtube? This is literally all facts, I'm saying with zero assumption. I could've said this: He just bought the phone and left it some table this whole time just like how you're assuming it's an old ass phone with 0 battery life. Feeling pretty silly because I'm still discussing with you whilst you are taking extremes. The fact that you are trying to sound smart with the help of googled information makes you sound even sillier. For one thing, I'm basing my assumptions on what we have visually seen. For another, I have never assumed that the phone has 0 battery life. You are just throwing extremes out here and trying to stuff them in my mouth to make it sound like I'm wrong. Scientific researches aren't always going to be the norm. They are done under controlled conditions designed by researchers. Your article states 100% capacity during the first year of service. But that is under their conditions. Again, how many years has Subaru had this phone? Considering the design that was shown, it doesn't seem like something that he would have bought a year ago. In the very least it looks nothing like the "clamshell designs" that have come out in the last year or three (that you told me to google) and more like the flip phones that were in use in the early 2000's. And yet again, how well maintained is the phone? He surely had it on him when visiting Felt during the attack in the first arc. He must have had it with him when he was roaming around the capital in the third arc. Heck, do you even know how much charge his phone had on it when he was transported to this world? I doubt it would have been positively 100%. You are the one who stated that old-phones have 380 hours of battery life, and then you are also the one who assumes that he's using an old-school phone with more battery life than modern smart phones. I have done nothing but to discuss the issue with the conditions that you set out. Flip phone batteries in the modern day do last longer than smart phone ones, yes that is a fact. Old phones do tend to be more durable than new modern ones, that too is also something we agree on. What we are talking about right now has nothing to do with that. I'm just saying that even flip phones (be they new or old) won't normally have a battery that can keep it operational for over two weeks without recharging. The article I gave you gives modern "old-school" flip phones a generous 3 day to 1 week battery lifespan. That is my point for the unlikeliness of Subaru's phone still working after all the time he's spent in this world. I may not be using a flip phone, but my old school Nokia is still quite durable even after years of use and decent maintenance, yet when shut off, even I couldn't keep the phone from losing all it's charge after two weeks. I'm going on by my own experiences with old school phones I've used in the past AND the one I'm currently using. You do understand that at least, don't you? And again, let us assume, as you have stated, that he does turn off the phone occasionally to save battery. If that is the case, then why was it turned on during the White whale incident? Phones don't magically turn themselves on, specially not clamshell designs that you have to open up before pressing the power button, yet his phone was already on (and not on a start up screen) when it fell out of his jacket. Pray do explain that. TeamDalaiLana said: 1. You really didn't have knowledge about clamshell phones and its battery life 2. You assumed that Subaru kept the phone ON all the time based on thin air..nothing. 3. You assumed that he is an idiot with no knowledge of tech. ( arent otaku a bit more techy than normies) Your inexplicable prejudice is showing. 1.) I do have knowledge about clamshell phones. I've actually used a Sony Ericsson V800 back in the day (for the better part of 4 years) back in college, and an old Motorola before that. 2.) I assume he keeps it on because that's how we always see it when he takes it out. Even in the latest incident, it was ON. 3.) I don't assume anything for this one, but not all otaku's are tech savvy. 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| I ain't got time to read all that. But It's really baffling when someone say it's "silly" to cite respectable information. Or googled information? I mean research papers / college paper work all need citation. It's nothing silly. You know what's silly coming up with things out of thin air. And batteryuniversity.com is a very trusted and respectable source for battery related info. Like it's legit. And I don't know what a Zdnet.com is... |
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TeamDalaiLana said: I ain't got time to read all that. But It's really baffling when someone say it's "silly" to cite respectable information. Or googled information? I mean research papers / college paper work all need citation. It's nothing silly. You know what's silly coming up with things out of thin air. And batteryuniversity.com is a very trusted and respectable source for battery related info. Like it's legit. And I don't know what a Zdnet.com is... I highly doubt that Subaru had the time, knowledge or foresight to go visit your batteryuniversity.com before he got transported to this new world. Again, just because he has a phone doesn't mean he has in depth knowledge on how to properly maintain it, and he damn well couldn't have looked it up when he arrived at this new world now could he? And just because you say that the website is legit, doesn't immediately prove that it is. One could just as easily say that stuff that was published in Wikipedia or anywhere on the interwebs was "legit", but where's the proof? |
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| Wikipedia. Anyone can edit that. Proof? really? the community is proof, the millions of other sites citing it is proof. btw Is mal legit? There're sites that are respectable and trustworthy for each of their related content like: The Verge, Ign, Anandtech, Neogaf etc (gaming and tech related things) Why I am even explaining this? It's like you've never been on the internet. |
TeamDalaiLanaAug 10, 2016 1:31 AM
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TeamDalaiLana said: Wikipedia. Anyone can edit that. Proof? really? the community is proof, the millions of other sites citing it is proof. btw Is mal legit? There're sites that are respectable and trustworthy for each of their related content like: The Verge, Ign, Anandtech, Neogaf etc (gaming and tech related things) Why I am even explaining this? It's like you've never been on the internet. Beats me, mate. I have no idea why you've digressed so far either. Maybe you should stick to the discussion and quit with the baseless insults. For the record, how old are you exactly? And millions of other sites citing it? Really? |
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al-birny said: the anime not tell us how much time subaru already in that world or i missed it, every anime only watcher here just speculating how much time he already spent. maybe for ln readers know but in this case its will become spoiler. Go watch episode 12. Reinhard comments on how it's been one month since they met. |
| Are you guys doing this right now? You guys are really doing this right now? Who cares about his fucking phone battery ffs. It's like the most important thing in the universe, right? You attained enlightenment or something? Damn... |
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Tony_SansNom said: Are you guys doing this right now? You guys are really doing this right now? Who cares about his fucking phone battery ffs. It's like the most important thing in the universe, right? You attained enlightenment or something? Damn... No, it's not the most important thing in the universe, but it does prove how unlikely this story itself would be progressing without it. No battery life -> No working "Metia" -> no convincing Crusch and the others -> no White Whale assault coalition -> Dead Emilia all over again -> Angry Puck destroys the world -> Subaru rinse and repeat. |
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L-Ryoshi said: TeamDalaiLana said: Damn gurl, u tryin..but imma give it to u. I'm going to be a bit rachet so bear coz this aint a college essay. 1. "Should" not "must" honey did you even read the article. It's a research. A good not faulty battery should be able to do that. And you're right bout the user but the thing is unless you're literally burning your phone everyday (extreme heat affect battery life span) the level/percentage of battery life depletion is not as fast as you're saying. 2. What kind of fallacious argument you're raising? You assumed dat. You're assuming its on his body taking the beating (which shouldn't affect its battery life at all). And even so you know there's meme going on about old phones and how newer phones would break when dropped while older ones would break the floor? Not saying that reality is like a meme but there is some truth to that. Google clamshell design honey. Not only that it is honestly far more durable to modern smartphones. Modern phones are very thin with huge crackle screen. A nokia. You could throw off a building and it would still work. Or do you need me to post the various test videos that have been done on Youtube? This is literally all facts, I'm saying with zero assumption. I could've said this: He just bought the phone and left it some table this whole time just like how you're assuming it's an old ass phone with 0 battery life. Feeling pretty silly because I'm still discussing with you whilst you are taking extremes. The fact that you are trying to sound smart with the help of googled information makes you sound even sillier. For one thing, I'm basing my assumptions on what we have visually seen. For another, I have never assumed that the phone has 0 battery life. You are just throwing extremes out here and trying to stuff them in my mouth to make it sound like I'm wrong. Scientific researches aren't always going to be the norm. They are done under controlled conditions designed by researchers. Your article states 100% capacity during the first year of service. But that is under their conditions. Again, how many years has Subaru had this phone? Considering the design that was shown, it doesn't seem like something that he would have bought a year ago. In the very least it looks nothing like the "clamshell designs" that have come out in the last year or three (that you told me to google) and more like the flip phones that were in use in the early 2000's. And yet again, how well maintained is the phone? He surely had it on him when visiting Felt during the attack in the first arc. He must have had it with him when he was roaming around the capital in the third arc. Heck, do you even know how much charge his phone had on it when he was transported to this world? I doubt it would have been positively 100%. You are the one who stated that old-phones have 380 hours of battery life, and then you are also the one who assumes that he's using an old-school phone with more battery life than modern smart phones. I have done nothing but to discuss the issue with the conditions that you set out. Flip phone batteries in the modern day do last longer than smart phone ones, yes that is a fact. Old phones do tend to be more durable than new modern ones, that too is also something we agree on. What we are talking about right now has nothing to do with that. I'm just saying that even flip phones (be they new or old) won't normally have a battery that can keep it operational for over two weeks without recharging. The article I gave you gives modern "old-school" flip phones a generous 3 day to 1 week battery lifespan. That is my point for the unlikeliness of Subaru's phone still working after all the time he's spent in this world. I may not be using a flip phone, but my old school Nokia is still quite durable even after years of use and decent maintenance, yet when shut off, even I couldn't keep the phone from losing all it's charge after two weeks. I'm going on by my own experiences with old school phones I've used in the past AND the one I'm currently using. You do understand that at least, don't you? And again, let us assume, as you have stated, that he does turn off the phone occasionally to save battery. If that is the case, then why was it turned on during the White whale incident? Phones don't magically turn themselves on, specially not clamshell designs that you have to open up before pressing the power button, yet his phone was already on (and not on a start up screen) when it fell out of his jacket. Pray do explain that. TeamDalaiLana said: 1. You really didn't have knowledge about clamshell phones and its battery life 2. You assumed that Subaru kept the phone ON all the time based on thin air..nothing. 3. You assumed that he is an idiot with no knowledge of tech. ( arent otaku a bit more techy than normies) Your inexplicable prejudice is showing. 1.) I do have knowledge about clamshell phones. I've actually used a Sony Ericsson V800 back in the day (for the better part of 4 years) back in college, and an old Motorola before that. 2.) I assume he keeps it on because that's how we always see it when he takes it out. Even in the latest incident, it was ON. 3.) I don't assume anything for this one, but not all otaku's are tech savvy. That's just your prejudices and stereotyping of profiles. There are two things I feel like correcting. 1. Flip-phones have been, and still are, very popular in Japan. 2016 was the year when smartphones finally managed a bigger marketshare than their older clamshell counterparts. His phone might even be brand new, though I doubt that. I do not think it's particularly old either. https://www.techinasia.com/japans-flip-phones-finally-dying 2. At the end ofepisode 16 you can see Subaru turn on the phone to use a flashlight on the map. You can see the startup screen, the logo of the phone is showing, as he turns it on. This is why it's turned on in ep 17 when it falls out of his jacket during the whale attack. Regarding his phone's battery life. We use old Nokia phones in the army as they usually have a charge of 1-2 weeks. Some of use are given flip phones as well, they're pretty reliable phones considering their age. It was not uncommon for phones to still have a charge after a few months of storage either. These phones are standard equipment for any NCOs and officers. My last personal phone was a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact and it had a battery saving mode called Ultra Stamina mode. This pretty much disabled all smartphone features and only gave me access to the most basic features. With this turned on I've been able to have my phone on standby for almost two weeks when camping out. I see no problem with Subaru's phone lasting for a month, the time he's been in this world, if it has been turned off. This is all from personal experience and I have no sources to back up my arguments. Do with it as you please. I do find it a bit silly that it's his phone battery that's creating so much debate in the forums. There are a lot of other things you can critique this show for, but its portrayal of battery life should not be one of them. |
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Ninjasander said: There are two things I feel like correcting. 1. Flip-phones have been, and still are, very popular in Japan. 2016 was the year when smartphones finally managed a bigger marketshare than their older clamshell counterparts. His phone might even be brand new, though I doubt that. I do not think it's particularly old either. https://www.techinasia.com/japans-flip-phones-finally-dying 2. At the end ofepisode 16 you can see Subaru turn on the phone to use a flashlight on the map. You can see the startup screen, the logo of the phone is showing, as he turns it on. This is why it's turned on in ep 17 when it falls out of his jacket during the whale attack. Regarding his phone's battery life. We use old Nokia phones in the army as they usually have a charge of 1-2 weeks. Some of use are given flip phones as well, they're pretty reliable phones considering their age. It was not uncommon for phones to still have a charge after a few months of storage either. These phones are standard equipment for any NCOs and officers. My last personal phone was a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact and it had a battery saving mode called Ultra Stamina mode. This pretty much disabled all smartphone features and only gave me access to the most basic features. With this turned on I've been able to have my phone on standby for almost two weeks when camping out. I see no problem with Subaru's phone lasting for a month, the time he's been in this world, if it has been turned off. This is all from personal experience and I have no sources to back up my arguments. Do with it as you please. I do find it a bit silly that it's his phone battery that's creating so much debate in the forums. There are a lot of other things you can critique this show for, but its portrayal of battery life should not be one of them. Thanks for your input in this matter. I'm glad you're being respectable here. The question is, for pre-smart phones, did many of those phones actually have a battery saving mode? Was it necessary for them to even have one before the more battery-sapping iOs and Android systems became the more popular system sources? I also concede that he may be using a more modern phone than what it has been shown to be. However, I'm pretty sure Nokia never came out with phone designs like the one that Subaru has been holding. Yes I know just how durable Nokia's are, the old school phone I'm using right now on the side is a Nokia. Other brands with similar designs as Subaru's, methinks are less sturdy. Plus, I don't think Nokias were ever that popular with the Japanese market, not when they had their own plethora of local brands. |
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L-Ryoshi said: TheDeadApostle said: I dunno about that. Nowadays there are still flip phones in the market. Most are more modernized but from what I've seen in other anime(because I don't know much about Japanese phones otherwise),flip phones in Japan aren't too uncommon. So the phone itself might not even be such an old model. Also who has to reset their phone's time each time they turn it off? I for one, don't and have never done that apart from once or twice when I left it alone for two months or so. Also the time didn't even need to be correct. All it had to do was match up with the previous loop's time. It's been like what, 2 weeks since he arrived in the world? Not so long if it was turned off. Phones nowadays have a function that allows them to draw electricity from the battery to maintain the running of their internal clock. Think about things logically, even old analog clocks require a power source, no matter how small, there is no way your mobile phone would be able to maintain it's time-count mechanism without utilizing an energy source. The fact that you can turn off the phone and turn it back on with the clock still running is simply because (a) the battery is still plugged into the phone and (b) the battery still has energy to supply to the phone. A good way to experiment on this would be to shut off you phone's auto time sync, turn it off and take out the battery for an hour. You'll notice the difference immediately after you turn it back on in an hour. A second experiment would be to completely drain a phones battery to 0% so that it cannot even react to you pressing the power button (which means it still has a charge) and again leaving it out for an hour or two. As for time matching up with the previous time loop, that would entail that he has had the phone on constantly and that the battery is slowly being used up, even if the phone is shut off. If his phone was a newer model as some have suggested, and not the old hardcore nokia-esque phones, then battery drainage would be even faster every time he turns it on, because of all the background functions that the phone is running. As for the length of time he's been in the new world, If I recall from past posters, he's been in this world for at least a month or so (there was a time skip between the end of arc 2 and the beginning of arc 3), which makes the phone's inexplicable battery life all the more unbelievable. It's true that phones draw power to maintain their internal clocks but the amount drawn is extremely tiny. In fact, after some quick googling I have an answer for you. Modern personal computer motherboards have a backup battery to run the real-time clock circuit and retain configuration memory while the system is turned off. This is often called the CMOS battery or BIOS battery.. Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup_battery#Computers That's why I can remove the battery from my phone and still have it telling me the correct time even after an hour. Of course after a long amount of time it runs out too but only around a month or so if you ask me(from personal experience with my own phone). Subaru's been in that place for 2 weeks tops. You talked about turning off auto sync but that doesn't change much since phones have back up batteries. My phone (Samsung Note 3) isn't connected to the internet when it boots at first yet it always tells me the right time. Even when I remove the battery for a while. |
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TheDeadApostle said: L-Ryoshi said: Phones nowadays have a function that allows them to draw electricity from the battery to maintain the running of their internal clock. Think about things logically, even old analog clocks require a power source, no matter how small, there is no way your mobile phone would be able to maintain it's time-count mechanism without utilizing an energy source. The fact that you can turn off the phone and turn it back on with the clock still running is simply because (a) the battery is still plugged into the phone and (b) the battery still has energy to supply to the phone. A good way to experiment on this would be to shut off you phone's auto time sync, turn it off and take out the battery for an hour. You'll notice the difference immediately after you turn it back on in an hour. A second experiment would be to completely drain a phones battery to 0% so that it cannot even react to you pressing the power button (which means it still has a charge) and again leaving it out for an hour or two. As for time matching up with the previous time loop, that would entail that he has had the phone on constantly and that the battery is slowly being used up, even if the phone is shut off. If his phone was a newer model as some have suggested, and not the old hardcore nokia-esque phones, then battery drainage would be even faster every time he turns it on, because of all the background functions that the phone is running. As for the length of time he's been in the new world, If I recall from past posters, he's been in this world for at least a month or so (there was a time skip between the end of arc 2 and the beginning of arc 3), which makes the phone's inexplicable battery life all the more unbelievable. It's true that phones draw power to maintain their internal clocks but the amount drawn is extremely tiny. In fact, after some quick googling I have an answer for you. Modern personal computer motherboards have a backup battery to run the real-time clock circuit and retain configuration memory while the system is turned off. This is often called the CMOS battery or BIOS battery.. Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup_battery#Computers That's why I can remove the battery from my phone and still have it telling me the correct time even after an hour. Of course after a long amount of time it runs out too but only around a month or so if you ask me(from personal experience with my own phone). Subaru's been in that place for 2 weeks tops. You talked about turning off auto sync but that doesn't change much since phones have back up batteries. My phone (Samsung Note 3) isn't connected to the internet when it boots at first yet it always tells me the right time. Even when I remove the battery for a while. Again, it's a matter of time and how long he's been here for. If @Ninjasander is correct (as his screencap and the subbing team leads us to believe), he's been here for about a month. Also, given that he was out at the store, I do not expect his phone to be at full charge when he made the jump to this new world. Given all that and the fact that he turns it on and off at times during the month he's been here, snaps photos for Felt and others to see, and all of that, just how much charge would be left on his phone? |
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I knew it. I was right all along but couldn't remember when it was stated, but everyone told me so much time didn't pass. |
| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
that ringtone is the best part of the episode, so if battery dead = no ringtone so its worth discussing about it oh i missed this, my bad. then its mean the cellphone's battery last a month or so. okay fair enough. |
| 期待しているよ、私のサリアだって、嘘ばっかり! でもねアンジュ、あんたがいなくなれば、私の方が強いってわかれば, それができるなら、何もいらない! |
| He keeps going back in time whenever he dies. Is it also possible that the battery resets whenever he dies? |
Jeremeh said: He keeps going back in time whenever he dies. Is it also possible that the battery resets whenever he dies? I think if we count the times he's died and reset, he's probably been in this world for at least two months (he went through arc 2 3 or 4 times right?). We've only been counting the actual timeline he's currently in, without dying, to be about 1 months time. Between the time that Felt and Subaru solved the first arc (when Reinhart kidnapped her XD), to the council meeting, was about a month. You add to that the number of days after Emilia dumps him at Crusch's place and when he actually smartens up and negotiates, you could be talking about another week or two. So 6 or 7 weeks of phone battery life. Seriously, I wish I had Subaru's phone... |
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L-Ryoshi said: Again, it's a matter of time and how long he's been here for. If @Ninjasander is correct (as his screencap and the subbing team leads us to believe), he's been here for about a month. Also, given that he was out at the store, I do not expect his phone to be at full charge when he made the jump to this new world. Given all that and the fact that he turns it on and off at times during the month he's been here, snaps photos for Felt and others to see, and all of that, just how much charge would be left on his phone? The phone was at full charge when he was transported to the other world in episode 1.  No, it's just been a month. Stop pulling stuff out of thin air. |
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L-Ryoshi said: TheDeadApostle said: It's true that phones draw power to maintain their internal clocks but the amount drawn is extremely tiny. In fact, after some quick googling I have an answer for you. Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backup_battery#Computers That's why I can remove the battery from my phone and still have it telling me the correct time even after an hour. Of course after a long amount of time it runs out too but only around a month or so if you ask me(from personal experience with my own phone). Subaru's been in that place for 2 weeks tops. You talked about turning off auto sync but that doesn't change much since phones have back up batteries. My phone (Samsung Note 3) isn't connected to the internet when it boots at first yet it always tells me the right time. Even when I remove the battery for a while. Again, it's a matter of time and how long he's been here for. If @Ninjasander is correct (as his screencap and the subbing team leads us to believe), he's been here for about a month. Also, given that he was out at the store, I do not expect his phone to be at full charge when he made the jump to this new world. Given all that and the fact that he turns it on and off at times during the month he's been here, snaps photos for Felt and others to see, and all of that, just how much charge would be left on his phone? I still don't see how it's so impossible though. You could easily shrug it off if you see.the phone as a model which has great battery battery life. Some lithium Ion batteries can last for as long as 18 months without being used depending on the quality of the materials used anyways. |
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Z4k said: L-Ryoshi said: Again, it's a matter of time and how long he's been here for. If @Ninjasander is correct (as his screencap and the subbing team leads us to believe), he's been here for about a month. Also, given that he was out at the store, I do not expect his phone to be at full charge when he made the jump to this new world. Given all that and the fact that he turns it on and off at times during the month he's been here, snaps photos for Felt and others to see, and all of that, just how much charge would be left on his phone? The phone was at full charge when he was transported to the other world in episode 1. No, it's just been a month. Stop pulling stuff out of thin air. How is including the time between when Reinhart said those words in the screen cap and the current day of this negotiation considered as pulling stuff out of thin air? A month is 30 days, so around 4 to 5 weeks. Adding an additional week of Subaru being healed in Crusch's place after getting beat up by Julius and training with Willheim doesn't seem all that much. I wasn't exaggerating here, just estimating the time gone by based on plot. And I wasn't kidding about wanting his phone either. |
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| I bet that Subaru's phone will be the one to die last in the final episode. I'm finally starting to like him again~ No longer the prideful shell of a man he once was, even getting everyone together for a sweet revenge against Moby Dickhead. Fcking hyped. |
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L-Ryoshi said: How is including the time between when Reinhart said those words in the screen cap and the current day of this negotiation considered as pulling stuff out of thin air? Because it's been only three days since the royal election and Emilia parting ways with Subaru. A month is 30 days, so around 4 to 5 weeks. 30 days make 4 weeks and 2 days mate. Adding an additional week of Subaru being healed in Crusch's place after getting beat up by Julius and training with Willheim doesn't seem all that much. I wasn't exaggerating here, just estimating the time gone by based on plot.  ^Yeah like I said you should stop pulling stuff out of thin air. The pic is from episode 14 by the way. |
mung76 said: Honestly I don't get why everyone cares so much about Subaru's phone. Everyone should just enjoy the anime and appreciate it, rather than arguing about his phone's battery life. B-but muh realism? |
Z4k said: L-Ryoshi said: How is including the time between when Reinhart said those words in the screen cap and the current day of this negotiation considered as pulling stuff out of thin air? Because it's been only three days since the royal election and Emilia parting ways with Subaru. A month is 30 days, so around 4 to 5 weeks. 30 days make 4 weeks and 2 days mate. Adding an additional week of Subaru being healed in Crusch's place after getting beat up by Julius and training with Willheim doesn't seem all that much. I wasn't exaggerating here, just estimating the time gone by based on plot. ^Yeah like I said you should stop pulling stuff out of thin air. The pic is from episode 14 by the way. Question, was it on the next day that they went to town to see the apple guy? Or did a bunch of stuff like Curschs talk with Subaru also happen then? Your screen shot does nothing to indicate the events that happened before or afterwards. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Z4k said: Because it's been only three days since the royal election and Emilia parting ways with Subaru. 30 days make 4 weeks and 2 days mate. ^Yeah like I said you should stop pulling stuff out of thin air. The pic is from episode 14 by the way. Question, was it on the next day that they went to town to see the apple guy? Or did a bunch of stuff like Curschs talk with Subaru also happen then? Your screen shot does nothing to indicate the events that happened before or afterwards. *sigh* Yes it was the next day that they went to the town.  You can also just rewatch the episode to confirm these stuff you know? |
| The phone is the holy grail for the haters. That is the way to go Subaru! I wonder how many of the people who are bitching that he's whiny would have shats their pants in the same situation. (99%?) |
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Z4k said: L-Ryoshi said: Question, was it on the next day that they went to town to see the apple guy? Or did a bunch of stuff like Curschs talk with Subaru also happen then? Your screen shot does nothing to indicate the events that happened before or afterwards. *sigh* Yes it was the next day that they went to the town. You can also just rewatch the episode to confirm these stuff you know? So how much time has actually passed before he got his ass beat by Julius and his arrival at Cruschs place before those three days of sulking? And after his day with Rem (day 4 at Crush's place) how long did it take for him to organize his offer to her about the White Whale? Stop acting like every thing he did was instantaneous mate. LN readers, would love for you to weigh in. Just how long was it in real time between his getting dumped in the capital by Emilia and his negotiation offer? I highly doubt it was less than 5 days. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Z4k said: *sigh* Yes it was the next day that they went to the town. You can also just rewatch the episode to confirm these stuff you know? So how much time has actually passed before he got his ass beat by Julius and his arrival at Cruschs place before those three days of sulking? And after his day with Rem (day 4 at Crush's place) how long did it take for him to organize his offer to her about the White Whale? Stop acting like every thing he did was instantaneous mate. LN readers, would love for you to weigh in. Just how long was it in real time between his getting dumped in the capital by Emilia and his negotiation offer? I highly doubt it was less than 5 days. I am not a LN reader, but the anime has given us the exact time the whale will appear. Let's use Subaru's third loop in the capital as an example, episode 17. He always starts his loops on the fourth day in the capital, he then goes to Crusch that evening to negotiate for her help, which ends up failing. The next day he goes to Priscilla and later on meets Anastasia, he then tells Rem they have to leave right after he's been tricked by Anastasia. We're now on the fifth day and that night, the whale appears. This is different from the first time they try to get back to the mansion where they leave on the sixth day, after the whale has appeared, and they have to take the detour, and the second loop where they leave on the fourth day, the loop where Subaru is a vegetable, and they arrive before the whale appears. Which brings us back to the current loop. We now know that the whale will appear on the fifth day, which means he uses the fourth day to reject Rem, contact Anastasia and Fellow, and negotiate with Crusch that very same evening. They then leave as soon as possible on the fifth day and the whale appears that night. |
Ninjasander said: L-Ryoshi said: So how much time has actually passed before he got his ass beat by Julius and his arrival at Cruschs place before those three days of sulking? And after his day with Rem (day 4 at Crush's place) how long did it take for him to organize his offer to her about the White Whale? Stop acting like every thing he did was instantaneous mate. LN readers, would love for you to weigh in. Just how long was it in real time between his getting dumped in the capital by Emilia and his negotiation offer? I highly doubt it was less than 5 days. I am not a LN reader, but the anime has given us the exact time the whale will appear. Let's use Subaru's third loop in the capital as an example, episode 17. He always starts his loops on the fourth day in the capital, he then goes to Crusch that evening to negotiate for her help, which ends up failing. The next day he goes to Priscilla and later on meets Anastasia, he then tells Rem they have to leave right after he's been tricked by Anastasia. We're now on the fifth day and that night, the whale appears. This is different from the first time they try to get back to the mansion where they leave on the sixth day, after the whale has appeared, and they have to take the detour, and the second loop where they leave on the fourth day, the loop where Subaru is a vegetable, and they arrive before the whale appears. Which brings us back to the current loop. We now know that the whale will appear on the fifth day, which means he uses the fourth day to reject Rem, contact Anastasia and Fellow, and negotiate with Crusch that very same evening. They then leave as soon as possible on the fifth day and the whale appears that night. And all of that proves what exactly, apart from his phone having an extraordinary battery life? Plus, how much time was between Reinhart's admission of the month time at the elections and Subaru recovering from getting his face stomped by Julius? I highly doubt bruises and lumps that he had when Emilia dumped him would subside in less than a day. His name is Subaru, not Wolverine... |
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L-Ryoshi said: And all of that proves what exactly, apart from his phone having an extraordinary battery life? That the negotiation was completed on the 4th day and that his phone doesn't have an extraordinary battery life. Plus, how much time was between Reinhart's admission of the month time at the elections and Subaru recovering from getting his face stomped by Julius? I highly doubt bruises and lumps that he had when Emilia dumped him would subside in less than a day. His name is Subaru, not Wolverine... It's not like we've seen people that can heal others in the show before right? /s "After the battle, Subaru is treated by Felix immediately, and also the teeth grows out again!" https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/4sswge/spoilers_some_details_from_nagatsuki_tappei/ Such an awful troll. |
L-Ryoshi said: Ninjasander said: I am not a LN reader, but the anime has given us the exact time the whale will appear. Let's use Subaru's third loop in the capital as an example, episode 17. He always starts his loops on the fourth day in the capital, he then goes to Crusch that evening to negotiate for her help, which ends up failing. The next day he goes to Priscilla and later on meets Anastasia, he then tells Rem they have to leave right after he's been tricked by Anastasia. We're now on the fifth day and that night, the whale appears. This is different from the first time they try to get back to the mansion where they leave on the sixth day, after the whale has appeared, and they have to take the detour, and the second loop where they leave on the fourth day, the loop where Subaru is a vegetable, and they arrive before the whale appears. Which brings us back to the current loop. We now know that the whale will appear on the fifth day, which means he uses the fourth day to reject Rem, contact Anastasia and Fellow, and negotiate with Crusch that very same evening. They then leave as soon as possible on the fifth day and the whale appears that night. And all of that proves what exactly, apart from his phone having an extraordinary battery life? Plus, how much time was between Reinhart's admission of the month time at the elections and Subaru recovering from getting his face stomped by Julius? I highly doubt bruises and lumps that he had when Emilia dumped him would subside in less than a day. His name is Subaru, not Wolverine... I'm not making any arguments about his phone's battery life, just trying to clarify the amount of days that have passed. Believe it or not, all of that happens on the same day. Blame healing magic or whatever you want. It was explained in episode 4 that superficial injuries are relatively easy to heal. EDIT: I had forgotten Tappei's comment on that episode. Z4k posted it, I hope that clarifies it. |
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