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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Aaaand this concludes the flasback arc. This is seriously unreal. Hiroyama has been topping himself for 20 chapters straight now. |
| Wow... just wow. Now that was a great way to end this fantastic flashback arc. The only thing that I'm sad about is that the arc is finally over (though this means that the story can proceed once more). Prisma Ilya can do no wrong at this point. The image below is my new favorite image of anything Fate related at this point. I don't think anything will surpass it for a very long time. |
YggdrasilTM said: Prisma Illya power levels make no sense. This Shirou's powers make perfect sense, though. He didn't start from the same point F/SN's Shirou did. |
YggdrasilTM said: astroprogs said: This Shirou's powers make perfect sense, though. He didn't start from the same point F/SN's Shirou did. The problem is 1) magical energy (this is A LOT more energy than usual) and 2) tracing of divine constructs (Ig-Alima and Sul-sagana) which is just impossible. 1) The Prana for casting UBW came from Miyu. Wait for the translation for more on that. For the swords' spam, in UBW the swords are already in the Reality Marble. He isn't projecting anything. He's just using everything at once instead of just using enough quantity to suppress GoB like in F/SN:UBW. 2) They're degraded images. These aren't projections of the weapons, but projections of images with the same look and of similar abilities. |
astroprogsJul 26, 2016 6:32 AM
| how can some rant without even having the see sub-version ? i just don't understand some people |
YggdrasilTM said: astroprogs said: This Shirou's powers make perfect sense, though. He didn't start from the same point F/SN's Shirou did. The problem is 1) magical energy (this is A LOT more energy than usual) and 2) tracing of divine constructs (Ig-Alima and Sul-sagana) which is just impossible. You need to relaize this "kalied shirou " and that "fsn shirou " and differnt people don't call PIS on it becasue this shirou can do things fsn shirou can't |
 Regular Gil would have lost righ here Angilca have that Flash air abillity .... |
Devil_SlayerJul 26, 2016 8:16 AM
YggdrasilTM said: Devil_Slayer said: how can some rant without even having the see sub-version ? i just don't understand some people Oi, that Prisma power levels are completely wrong if you compare them with the usual FSN is widely accepted by the fanbase. I mean, reproduced divine misteries. I mean, nine lives as a gil NP. I mean, Bazett. I was talking about shirou power and bazzet is the biggest joke in fate fanbase just wait for the Sub so we can uderstadn what going on xD |
eric5533 said: Oh well at least we get to see Gil uses Ea SUCCESSFULLY against Shiro and the swords Shiro shoots are like holy crap the entire UBW? and of course they can't stand a chance against a rank EX NP. Back to Illya, oh right this is a mahou shojou spinoff isn't it... thought was reading another F/SN for these months of Emiya Shirou But he tank it "becasue he made it alive ? " but of curse he ran out of mana becasue of that and Yeah i didn't miss that Loli at all ..... tch back to mahou shojou |
| Hiroyama just schooled UfoUBW. THIS is what happens when you let Gil get a range advantage. You get destroyed. Overall this fight is easily on the level of UBW route fight. And WE ACTUALLY SEE ACTUAL space fight of countless swords. Shirou does not just go "muh ! Muh! Muh!" with K&B smashing stuff away. FUCK YEA. I can't wait till Silverlink Adapts it into Fate/Kaleid Liner☆Prisma Illya 3rei⚔Schwert YggdrasilTM said: I mean, reproduced hollow replicas of divine misteries, which is no different than what he does with Excalibur in HF or F/E. Except that that one works better due to having more materials he can replicate. FTFY I mean, nine lives as a gil NP. Nothing wrong with that. It was a bow owned by Hercules and Gil has prototypes of everything made by humans, even if prototype never existed. I mean, Bazett. Its not like she fought against servants in FHA(where they were way stronger than the cards or shadow servants), amirite guyse, amirite :^) Haters gonna hate. eric5533 said: Back to Illya, oh right this is a mahou shojou spinoff isn't it... thought was reading another F/SN for these months of Emiya Shirou Illya parts are in no way worse or less epic than Shirou parts were. It never was "mahou shoujo spin off" beyond the wands hijinks. Devil_Slayer said: how can some rant without even having the see sub-version ? i just don't understand some people Certain circlejerk just wants to hate on everything prillya because it is better than "main" franchise now. |
AhenshihaelJul 26, 2016 9:29 AM
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| ^^ I disagree while Drei was better than 2wei and wei the shirou story is on other league on it's own ..... |
Devil_SlayerJul 26, 2016 9:50 AM
| The only thing about Shirou is that Hiroyama managed to make something as epic as UBW route out of essentially best parts of HF route. But it is no way worse from the rest of 3rei. People are just overhyping it. |
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Fai said: The only thing about Shirou is that Hiroyama managed to make something as epic as UBW route out of essentially best parts of HF route. But it is no way worse from the rest of 3rei. People are just overhyping it. I woudn't compare seeing our loli illya beting Gil with magic to seeing the hype boy shirou soloing the holy grail war and seeing his tragic story at all I am not hating but there differnt when you have bucng of girl and when you have proper MC like Shirou from miyu world xD let me not turning this into a bullshit rant adn enjoy the chapter still waiting for the sub ....... |
| Tbh, I think that was the best display of UBW I've seen. It really felt like... unlimited blades. I also love the way his tracing was shown. His eyes would light when it worked, and they went dull when it didn't. Better than what Ufo did... by a long shot. Devil_Slayer said: Regular Gil would have lost righ here Angilca have that Flash air abillity .... I thought the saaaame. I said "lucky bitch". |
Devil_Slayer said: I woudn't compare seeing our loli illya beting Gil with magic to seeing the hype boy shirou soloing the holy grail war and seeing his tragic story at all .. There's no real difference. Illya has a valid conflict for her that is no worse and she has her own tragedies. And using magecraft with mana supply from the grail is not that different from Illya wielding second magic. Irrelative said: Tbh, I think that was the best display of UBW I've seen. It really felt like... unlimited blades. Its pretty much same as it is described(and heard) in VN tho? Devil_Slayer said: Regular Gil would have lost righ here Angilca have that Flash air abillity .... I thought the saaaame. I said "lucky bitch". Regular Gil is higher in stats and far better fighter and would most likely Own Shirou in the second he would give him a chance to attack. The moment you go ranged against Gil you lose. Sure Angelica used flash air to break up the barrage and save her own skill but Gil would not really need that if he was given a chance to make at least one proper attack. |
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| Spouting nonsense that is easily disproved by facts nowadays equals "I was just baiting, ahahahah". No, Boy. You raged, your argumentation was weak and multiple posters proved you wrong. Concession accepted. At least the circlejerk openly admitted their goals, tho |
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NobodyKnow said: They should make a movie of this instead of a TV series after 3rei TV series that's airing right now. 13 Chapters lends easily to a nice a bit expanded 10 episode season. The only question is what kind of word will go after 3rei. My bet is on schwert(ger for sword) |
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eric5533 said: Ah as much as I agree with you I feel it will be like 2wei herz half filler half actual story.... Anime original material =/= filler. Pretty much only one episode in Herz was unimportant. Everything else, unlike in ufoubw, served to make the narrative better and added more characterization. A lot of it was made by Hiroyama too. There's nothing wrong in doing that to Shirou's flashback. |
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Fai said: Devil_Slayer said: I woudn't compare seeing our loli illya beting Gil with magic to seeing the hype boy shirou soloing the holy grail war and seeing his tragic story at all .. There's no real difference. Illya has a valid conflict for her that is no worse and she has her own tragedies. And using magecraft with mana supply from the grail is not that different from Illya wielding second magic. Irrelative said: Tbh, I think that was the best display of UBW I've seen. It really felt like... unlimited blades. Its pretty much same as it is described(and heard) in VN tho? I thought the saaaame. I said "lucky bitch". Regular Gil is higher in stats and far better fighter and would most likely Own Shirou in the second he would give him a chance to attack. The moment you go ranged against Gil you lose. Sure Angelica used flash air to break up the barrage and save her own skill but Gil would not really need that if he was given a chance to make at least one proper attack. She installed his card so she have his status no ? and better fighter my ass fsn shirou beated him in sowrd fight xD it's not like he even bother to fight since he have GoB and he just stand there and killing serven's by spaning sowrd's ..... the reason angilca won was becuase she had Flash Air which gived her Advantage she used divine constructs to buy her some time so she can draw Ea and charge it she used tactics against him something Gil would never do since he doesn't see him even worth of full power GoB let alone using Ea and tactics againt's him And btw it was melee fight in VN the UFO used some Rnge fight in it Gil can't beat shirou once he cast UBW unless he draw Ea somehow |
Devil_SlayerJul 26, 2016 10:51 AM
Fai said: NobodyKnow said: They should make a movie of this instead of a TV series after 3rei TV series that's airing right now. 13 Chapters lends easily to a nice a bit expanded 10 episode season. The only question is what kind of word will go after 3rei. My bet is on schwert(ger for sword) Nope shirou story won't have season on it's own since it's lack yuri fan service xD I am not sure what they was even thinking when thhey made 2wei Herz that was terrible |
Devil_Slayer said: [ Nope shirou story won't have season on it's own since it's lack yuri fan service xD Herz had maybe two scenes total of that. 3rei proper has exactly one. They are still adapting it. Let's not pretend Prillya runs on yuri. That's yet another over-blown hoax due to the Miyu/Chloe scene that circulates around even around those who never saw or read the story. Its no different from those assuming FSN runs on sex scenes just because that one scene turned into a meme. |
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Fai said: Devil_Slayer said: [ Nope shirou story won't have season on it's own since it's lack yuri fan service xD Herz had maybe two scenes total of that. 3rei proper has exactly one. They are still adapting it. Let's not pretend Prillya runs on yuri. That's yet another over-blown hoax due to the Miyu/Chloe scene that circulates around even around those who never saw or read the story. Its no different from those assuming FSN runs on sex scenes just because that one scene turned into a meme. Loli's - Yuri -fan service -slice of life -littel girl's talk - beach and game's park 6 episode of that in a season that 10 episode in total what did you expect me to say ? they could make 2wei like 13 episode and we're done , can't say i hate it i don't mind more fate but if they waste budget on that , they should put more budget on this arc i never liked H scene in FSN as well and they delete it in the 2007 using mana transfer as exuse pffffft |
| I wish people would just put that "Bazett shouldn't be winning against Servants in Prillya" thing to rest already. Know your lore first people. eric5533 said: Oh btw guys I read the Japanese version since I can read Japanese at the end of the chapter it says that Hiroyama is taking a break for the next chapter so the next chapter will be out around Sept. 26 instead of August Hmmm. I wonder if that's because he'll be working on the 3rei anime or that he just wanted the break. I mean, the anime finishes in exactly 2 months as well. |
astroprogsJul 26, 2016 2:43 PM
YggdrasilTM said: Fai said: Herz had maybe two scenes total of that. 3rei proper has exactly one. They are still adapting it. Let's not pretend Prillya runs on yuri. That's yet another over-blown hoax due to the Miyu/Chloe scene that circulates around even around those who never saw or read the story. I think is more the kiss at the beginning of 2wei herz. And the leg humping around episode 10 of herz. And the almost porn in the herz OVA LOL yeah they really crossed the line in the ova |
astroprogs said: I wish people would just put that "Bazett shouldn't be winning against Servants in Prillya" thing to rest already. Know your lore first people. can you give a explanation to it tho ? it didn't bother me really i only gives a shit after 3rei but now i think about it ... |
Devil_Slayer said: astroprogs said: I wish people would just put that "Bazett shouldn't be winning against Servants in Prillya" thing to rest already. Know your lore first people. can you give a explanation to it tho ? it didn't bother me really i only gives a shit after 3rei but now i think about it ... Sure. First, Prillya Servants' actual power: 1. The cards use only a part of the Heroic Spirits' powers, explained by Darius in chapter 11 IIRC, so all their stats and NPs re of a lower rank than their F/SN counterparts. 2. The shadow Servants, once again unlike their F/SN counterparts, are mindless monsters who operate solely on instinct. A weaker, but well-prepared opponent can take them down with potent tactics and strategy. 3. The equipped cards', in their case the users give the powers the presence of mind instead of pure instinct, but they're never 100% in sync with the Heroic Spirits, with Shirou being the only exception with the Archer card for obvious reasons, so the average user doesn't really know how to use the cards to their full potential, which is still lower than that of F/SN's HSs. Next, Prillya Bazett's power. 1. It was stated by Nasu that while HA's Bazett is weaker than Ciel, a Bazett who mastered Fragarach would be able to fight her toe-to-toe. 2. Prillya's Bazett was able to show advanced moves using Fragarach, so it's safe to assume that this Bazett is on a higher level than HA's Bzett. 3. Ciel was said by Nasu to be able to fight Servants "defensively", as in being able to defend herself well enough without being slaughtered nor landing a hit either. This was against F/SN's Servants, not the nerfed mindless ones or the double-nerfed equiped ones from Prillya. 4. Just to get that point out of the way, the "Rune of Resuscitation " is a rune that works VERY similarily to Rin's gem from F/SN's prologue. It never resurrected Bazett, because she never died, it just resuscitated her stopping heart and healed it like with the aforementioned gem. Finally, puting all of that into perspective, it's more than plausible that this stronger Bazett can put up a very good fight against the nerfed versions of the Heroic Spirits in Prillya. If this Bazett was against the Servants from F/SN with their higher ranked stats and weapons and their presence of mind and skills, she'd be able to "fight defensively" before inevitably losing, incidently like she was about to lose against Miyu!Rider pretty badly before she provoked her into using her trump card. |
astroprogsJul 26, 2016 3:21 PM
YggdrasilTM said: This is not really a point, even FSN Servant are not powerful as the real Heroic spirits. Fair enough. This doesn't address their lack of presence of mind, though. Bazett has an advantage here that she didn't have in HA. YggdrasilTM said: You are just saying that this Bazett is stronger than the canon one. AKA: the power levels of Prismaverse are different from the normal FSN. I mean, F/HA Bazett is afraid of fighting KOTOMINE. Ok, Kotomine is great and all, but you really think that Kotomine (even F/Z Kotomine) is Ciel-level? A Fragarach-mastered Bazett who can fight Ciel toe-to-toe IS the canon one. Said so by Nasu himself. And yes, Nasu said that F/Z Kirei can even defeat Ciel. Also, Bazett is stronger than F/SN Kotomine in pure strength. Her Runes magecraft greatly eclipses him as well. So in short, F/Z Kirei > Ciel = Fragarach-mastered Bazett > HA Bazett > F/SN Kirei. YggdrasilTM said: Rin gem was a 100 years old heirloom of her familiy, with more magical energy than all her jewels combined (and those are 10 years of magical energy accumulated by a genius magus). I mean, sure, a big part of that energy was to cover the Rin inexperience, but it's really something very borderline. And Bazett's runes come from the Age of Gods, where thousands of years of magic, knowledge and experience reside within the Fraga magic crest. The Fraga family would laugh hard at Tohsaka's, the baby family, best efforts. |
astroprogsJul 26, 2016 4:05 PM
YggdrasilTM said: Sure, but F/HA Bazett is NOT a Fragarach-mastered Bazett. This means that Prisma Bazett is way, way stronger than normal FSN Bazett... and this was my point from the beginning. Your point was that a Bazett that strong can't be canon and that "the power levels don't make sense", which is clearly wrong because HA Bazett is not the only Bazett in the lore. Prillya-level Bazett is 100% present in that lore. YggdrasilTM said: To quote Mayoho: "Even if Runes are an art originating in the Age of Gods, it's a magic sadly buried by the shadows of history. A user of runes is only awakening, time by time, something already dead." I haven't played Mahoyo, so i don't know the context of that phrase, and please don't spoil it for me, but this is actually understandable. If Bazett's runes were using their original potential, she'd be a modern-day Medea. Though, i remind you that Bazett is still an incredibly powerful mage by today's standards. She rivals Ciel who greatly outclasses Rin in magical capacity and has enough of a legacy, knowledge and experience to be considered a nobility as soon as she made herself known to the Association and is considered one of their top Enforcers. Her abilities FAR outclass Rin's, it's not even fair to compare. Just look at Rin's reaction to Bazett at the very end of HA., and this is HA Bazett we're talking about. It's hardly unthinkable that she has her own trump cards that outperform Rin's. |
astroprogsJul 26, 2016 4:45 PM
astroprogs said: Devil_Slayer said: can you give a explanation to it tho ? it didn't bother me really i only gives a shit after 3rei but now i think about it ... Sure. First, Prillya Servants' actual power: 1. The cards use only a part of the Heroic Spirits' powers, explained by Darius in chapter 11 IIRC, so all their stats and NPs re of a lower rank than their F/SN counterparts. 2. The shadow Servants, once again unlike their F/SN counterparts, are mindless monsters who operate solely on instinct. A weaker, but well-prepared opponent can take them down with potent tactics and strategy. 3. The equipped cards', in their case the users give the powers the presence of mind instead of pure instinct, but they're never 100% in sync with the Heroic Spirits, with Shirou being the only exception with the Archer card for obvious reasons, so the average user doesn't really know how to use the cards to their full potential, which is still lower than that of F/SN's HSs. Next, Prillya Bazett's power. 1. It was stated by Nasu that while HA's Bazett is weaker than Ciel, a Bazett who mastered Fragarach would be able to fight her toe-to-toe. 2. Prillya's Bazett was able to show advanced moves using Fragarach, so it's safe to assume that this Bazett is on a higher level than HA's Bzett. 3. Ciel was said by Nasu to be able to fight Servants "defensively", as in being able to defend herself well enough without being slaughtered nor landing a hit either. This was against F/SN's Servants, not the nerfed mindless ones or the double-nerfed equiped ones from Prillya. 4. Just to get that point out of the way, the "Rune of Resuscitation " is a rune that works VERY similarily to Rin's gem from F/SN's prologue. It never resurrected Bazett, because she never died, it just resuscitated her stopping heart and healed it like with the aforementioned gem. Finally, puting all of that into perspective, it's more than plausible that this stronger Bazett can put up a very good fight against the nerfed versions of the Heroic Spirits in Prillya. If this Bazett was against the Servants from F/SN with their higher ranked stats and weapons and their presence of mind and skills, she'd be able to "fight defensively" before inevitably losing, incidently like she was about to lose against Miyu!Rider pretty badly before she provoked her into using her trump card. i see .... So your saying the servent shirou beated in the holy grail war are stronger than the one who illya and co beated back in part 1 ? and the reason shirou was able to solo all of them in one night was becasue they are not in 100% sync with heroiec spiriet and can't bring it full potinal even if he have the samhe NP and status makeing me asking is it the same case with Gil card ? I mean while the other HS rely on thier skill and fighting exprince Gil rely on his ability to span endless sword and use powerful ass weapon to beat his opponent so if you give someone power they should do the same .... in my eyes Gil should have lost to this shirou since even fsn could beat Gil once he cast UBW but and this shirou is far stronger , But angilca beated him due to Flash air and actully using some tactics that buyed her some time to Draw Ea and once she draw it it's was GG |
Devil_Slayer said: i see .... So your saying the servent shirou beated in the holy grail war are stronger than the one who illya and co beated back in part 1 ? and the reason shirou was able to solo all of them in one night was becasue they are not in 100% sync with heroiec spiriet and can't bring it full potinal even if he have the samhe NP and status makeing me asking is it the same case with Gil card ? I mean while the other HS rely on thier skill and fighting exprince Gil rely on his ability to span endless sword and use powerful ass weapon to beat his opponent so if you give someone power they should do the same .... in my eyes Gil should have lost to this shirou since even fsn could beat Gil once he cast UBW but and this shirou is far stronger , But angilca beated him due to Flash air and actully using some tactics that buyed her some time to Draw Ea and once she draw it it's was GG The ones Shirou beat were stronger in the sense that they had the mental capacity and intelligence to use the HSs powers better than just fighting on instinct. They weren't physically stronger, they were smarter. Of course he had that same advantage on his side as well, in addition to being in complete sync with Heroic Spirit EMIYA. Both UBW Shirou and this Shirou are on the same level, when it comes to UBW. It's just that the mistake both Angelica and Gil made was that they didn't whip out Ea as soon as the fight started. And while Gil got disarmed (sorry i had to :p) and almost got his head cut off before the grail intervened, Angelica used displacement magic. Both Gil and Angelica underestimated Shirou, but, as you said, only Angelica got another chance to fix that mistake. And yes, Gil is an owner, not a wielder, so anyone using the card should be on Gil's level when it comes to utilizing everything within GoB. |
astroprogsJul 26, 2016 7:20 PM
astroprogs said: And yes, Gil is an owner, not a wielder, so anyone using the card should be on Gil's level when it comes to utilizing everything within GoB. Actually while the whole "wielder>owner" thing is true, Gil still is a heroic spirit so he still is better fighter even with weapons he never mastered or wielded. Its not like gil never learned how to fight. So real Gil would be better at utilizing GOB than a card install. Which is kind of shown in Gil vs Angelica fight too. |
AhenshihaelJul 27, 2016 12:20 AM
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eric5533 said: About using card, in term of the abilities, power should be the same as you said but HOW do you use them is question. Say GoB, Gil and Angelica may take different strategy although its a matter of shooting NP and whether he/she should draw Ea or not. One thing to notice though, since Angelica seems like another doll like Sakura or Shinji, its possible she was made to mimic Gil as much as possible in order to draw the maximum potential of GoB. Maybe. But then again, Gil's powers aren't exactly hard to figure out. You shoot shit at mongrels and if a mongrel keeps moving chain him up and repeat step 1. If a mongrel proved to be a bit less of a complete mongrel, use Ea, but not too much or the mongrel might actually think that it was neccessary. The one thing that i think can give this theory plausibility is Angelica's ability to not be utterly crushed under Gil's ego while using the card. I seriously want to know how the Ainsworth did that when All The Evil In The World couldn't. Fai said: astroprogs said: And yes, Gil is an owner, not a wielder, so anyone using the card should be on Gil's level when it comes to utilizing everything within GoB. Actually while the whole "wielder>owner" thing is true, Gil still is a heroic spirit so he still is better fighter even with weapons he never mastered or wielded. Its not like gil never learned how to fight. So real Gil would be better at utilizing GOB than a card install. Which is kind of shown in Gil vs Angelica fight too. I think this more true of him utilizing Enkidu, which is a special case along with Ea and the means of access to the treasury which are his and his alone (not prototypes of anything). Not that all of this matter anyways since this is Gil we're talking about. 99.9% of the time he never needs to use such tactics against his opponents. So yeah, while technically he's better at using Enkidu, it's almost inconsequential when you can shoot a multitude of A-rank NPs at your opponents and win 99.9% of the time. |
| Well that was quite a story conclusion there. As much as I find Shirou is annoying at times, his role in this arc was spectacular. |
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