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GET_OUT_DA_WAY said: if there no structure for learning then were just going to roll backward down the evolutionary lader/ Well, we can't get that much worse than the school system we have now anyway. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: GET_OUT_DA_WAY said: if there no structure for learning then were just going to roll backward down the evolutionary lader/ Well, we can't get that much worse than the school system we have now anyway. a least there is a sytme that tries to teach. ok they dont teach pertenant things like programming and computers and typing skills an real life stuff that will actuall help but they try...i guess. but if left to own devices most would just become retared monkey fucks. i was printing my CV out at the local titnterwebs shop and forgot somthing and stoped dead in the street and just mutttered shit under my breat spun around and startewed walking realised it was ok spun around again and carry on home. as i did this small movemnt a chav or retarde monkey fuck basball cap and drenched in glad rings with a kebab in one hand decided to remark that i was a fucking wierdo. but as i looked down at my CV in hand and saw tha vast ammount of life expericne knowledge and work skills i had and looked back at the retarded monkey fuck walking away who wouldnt probly think plato was a form of eating utensil i had to question.....everything. |
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minsk said: A system tends to work more if it has a powerful force controlling it all though, and anarchism does not tend to have such a thing.And no system really ever "works" can you say communism works more than anarchism? every system is destined to fail s time goes on. One may argue the compelling force behind anarchism is ideology, but that alone is still weak compared to other systems like those in communistic states, which tended to have not only ideology, but a legal system and a military to enforce it further. |
| the people most in favor of anarchy would be the first to be beheaded in an anarchist state. |
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tentacle_raep said: the people most in favor of anarchy would be the first to be beheaded in an anarchist state. true dat |
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Anarchy_Maniek said: Anarchy - is something like Utopia ;D not for the people that dont want it. |
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tentacle_raep said: the people most in favor of anarchy would be the first to be beheaded in an anarchist state. Yeah because anarchist states have death penalty. Oh wait anarchism means there will be neither states nor laws. Hmm. |
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| As far as I understand, anarchy is the lack of goverment/authority/law, etc, right? It wouldn't work, human emotion will cause it to collapse. You make a friend, friend A. Friend A has a friend, friend B. Friend A tell you, that if you kill friend B, he will kill you in revenge. And thus begins a kind of law, you can commit the act, but there will be consequence. This would be bound to become more structured and society would just be born over. |
Kaiserpingvin said: tentacle_raep said: the people most in favor of anarchy would be the first to be beheaded in an anarchist state. Yeah because anarchist states have death penalty. Oh wait anarchism means there will be neither states nor laws. Hmm. which means if yu want to kill somone for whatever reason no ones there to stop you or punish you if you do. or enforce killing somone either way now law mean its a free for all strongest wins. |
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minsk said: Okay now tell me what the reasoning for killing someone in an anarchist society is? Considering there's no monetary gain for it, and most likely all the people in your society all have similar interests to you and all are working for the common good. What sane person would kill another person for essentially no reason? So you can steal his wife? because you dont like him, because you want to steal his wife, because he smarter than you, or too stupid he doesnt work much. theres lots of reasons. now law means you get away with it as well. |
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minsk said: HISTORY said: minsk said: Okay now tell me what the reasoning for killing someone in an anarchist society is? Considering there's no monetary gain for it, and most likely all the people in your society all have similar interests to you and all are working for the common good. What sane person would kill another person for essentially no reason? So you can steal his wife? because you dont like him, because you want to steal his wife, because he smarter than you, or too stupid he doesnt work much. theres lots of reasons. now law means you get away with it as well. Okay so you personally would kill someone because he was smarter than you, or because you didn't like him? That's retarded. and Dont act like there wouldn't be a consequence, chances are everyone would just shun you from their society if you aren't willing to coexist. But seriously though, you personally would kill someone because you don't like them? me personally? no. but there are people in society who feel they should be able to do this and the police try to at least stop them. if your part of an anarchy where your the strongest and people who upset you are around then you could kill them with no conseaquence. if your killing somone who doesnt work hard like you for example the you wouldnt be shunned you be doing everyone a favour your a hero. anarchy means there no one to stop you either unless somone tries to stop you and is straonger. law of animals means that even though there isnt an agreed hierarchy there always a pack leader. |
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minsk said: anarchy means there no one to stop you either unless somone tries to stop you and is straonger. You act like there wouldn't be a hundred people to kick out that one rare dude who, for whatever illogical reason decided to kill his own brother which, assuming the person was sane, benefits him in no way. you seem to take the stance that the collective would have a choice. also youu seem to miis the ideaolgy that who to say who is right or wrong. in an anarchy where killing people is ok why would he be a bad person? a collective attack on one person for whatever reason...is that ok? lets kill the guy whos killing people then everything will be ok. essentiall its just who stonger. why do you think armies exist? you has 300 men he has more men than you THIS IS ANARCHY!! whos decies who right or wrong my way of life is fine you dont like it by seeking to destroy me etc etc. he kills you kill we all end up dead whats the difference. you seem to think everyone would be all nice to eachother and smiles with no argumentss at all? we're essentially arguing now. now in real life if were having this discsion how far would you go to silence me because you think my views are stupid or retarded hmm. im a passifist by nature i abho violence of any kind yet this doesnt mean joe bloggs feels the same way. lets say hes just an violents person who thinks a bitch slap solves problems, i dont fight in real life so i automatically will lose. who stops him hmm...oh wait nobody because they either adopt my philosophy of no violence or his and bitch slap anyone who disagrees with him and he bitch slaps anyone who disagrees with him and he hits the hardest so every one says nothing to him...except me, but i dont fight, so where does that leave me hmm...dead i assume, with no one willing to fight to protect me for fear of him or fighting with me by not fighting. and i if i choose to fight back? well 300 men vs thousnads....you do the maths. you have an ideolgical view that EVRYONE wants harmony and peace and tranquilty with no war...its just not true. but in an anarcy anything goes and you'll end having to fight or die for your belifes. either way you lose. so no an anarcy doesnt work for me. |
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minsk said: HISTORY said: you seem to take the stance that the collective would have a choice. also youu seem to miis the ideaolgy that who to say who is right or wrong. in an anarchy where killing people is ok why would he be a bad person? a collective attack on one person for whatever reason...is that ok? lets kill the guy whos killing people then everything will be ok. essentiall its just who stonger. why do you think armies exist? you has 300 men he has more men than you THIS IS ANARCHY!! whos decies who right or wrong my way of life is fine you dont like it by seeking to destroy me etc etc. he kills you kill we all end up dead whats the difference. Uhh yeah the collective does have a choice, anything detrimental to a society should be quickly removed, and a dude who kills off his own people is gonna get booted really quick regardless. And people have arguments yea and if it ends in a fist fight then so what, nature is not peaceful. And who would be right or wrong about what? what would you be argueing about? honestly the only thing I would think of would be one guy getting mad that another guy is lazy and not doing his part, which if he wasn't,then he'd probably get the boot as well. The majority rules in those situations, and if 9/10 people think it'd be better if you left, your going to be leaving regardless. but once again, you're with a group of people who you really respect and all work together, you claim it doesn't work and yet look at indigenous tribes.... And in real life I'd give you a slap for not knowing how to spellcheck, but thats about as far as it owuld go this doesnt mean joe bloggs feels the same way. lets say hes just an violents person who thinks a bitch slap solves problems, i dont fight in real life so i automatically will lose. who stops him hmm...oh wait nobody because they either adopt my philosophy of no violence or his and bitch slap anyone who disagrees with him and he bitch slaps anyone who disagrees with him and he hits the hardest so every one says nothing to him Once again, if you had a guy like that, then everyone would just get up and give him the boot, problem solved. There's no reason youd be forced to live in that society so essentially, if you don't like the way things are going, you can pretty much just go off and start your own commune with people who agree with you more, I don't see why it would ever degenerate to, OMFG I THINK UR LAZY SO IM GONNA KILL U, AND NOW ALL YOU 100 OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOW AFRAID OF ME BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE AN IQ BELOW 20 AND DONT KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACHOTHER TO GET ME TO LEAVE and what pray tell do you think gives you the right to give me a slap for somthing thats doesnt concern you except you want things to be done your way? you give me a slap i'll give a a kick in the face you get up i'll beat you back down and so on untill one of us dies. you learn to just stfu and leave me be in my peace and get on with what im doing we'll get along famously. though i doubt it you like to slap people around and justfy it because nature is cruel. but im a pacifist i try to not get into fights of any kind. if somone wants to sit there and do nothing its no concern of min and im not going to tell them what to do or how to act i have my own buisness to take care of. what give anyone the right to tell people how to live? just a twisted sense of self richouesness. give him the boot huh? FACE THE BAN HAMMER!!! RAWR. again what gives you or a collective the right to do this? power thats all and your own self importance that the decisons yo make are best for the whole. aginag who are you to be making those decisons for somone esle? if they cant be bothered to go out and hunt for foos and water and shelter then let them die or help them GIVE THEM THE BOOT FACE THE BAN HAMMER etc etc blah blah. basically its the people who use force in anywayto enforce there belifes. so some does conform huh kill them collectively FACE THE BOOT AND THE BAN HAMMER kill him and silence the rebelion so things can be just the way you like them. i have a problem with that means anyone who feels the need to dictate those laws and use force in anyway. thats not my way bro latley thogh ive been less willing to tolerate such behaviour. but im small and weak and thor is big and strong...i guess if i face him head to head i get smashe right. that ,eaves me one option. kill the guy who trying to kill me. very simple really. a collective agaist me? kill them all as well. hmmmm you see conflict breeds conflict, people want to be left alone. but you see in an anarcy people just ue nature as the excuse to hurt people and shunn them and genrally make ther life miserable. personally i belive that strengh comes from within, ive never felt the need to hurt anyone ever never felt the need to dictate how another should live feel or be nver felt the need to slap anyone because they piss me off. i just live my life, now all of a sudden there a group who want me to confrom to thier ways through violence. 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minsk said: HISTORY said: minsk said: HISTORY said: you seem to take the stance that the collective would have a choice. also youu seem to miis the ideaolgy that who to say who is right or wrong. in an anarchy where killing people is ok why would he be a bad person? a collective attack on one person for whatever reason...is that ok? lets kill the guy whos killing people then everything will be ok. essentiall its just who stonger. why do you think armies exist? you has 300 men he has more men than you THIS IS ANARCHY!! whos decies who right or wrong my way of life is fine you dont like it by seeking to destroy me etc etc. he kills you kill we all end up dead whats the difference. Uhh yeah the collective does have a choice, anything detrimental to a society should be quickly removed, and a dude who kills off his own people is gonna get booted really quick regardless. And people have arguments yea and if it ends in a fist fight then so what, nature is not peaceful. And who would be right or wrong about what? what would you be argueing about? honestly the only thing I would think of would be one guy getting mad that another guy is lazy and not doing his part, which if he wasn't,then he'd probably get the boot as well. The majority rules in those situations, and if 9/10 people think it'd be better if you left, your going to be leaving regardless. but once again, you're with a group of people who you really respect and all work together, you claim it doesn't work and yet look at indigenous tribes.... And in real life I'd give you a slap for not knowing how to spellcheck, but thats about as far as it owuld go this doesnt mean joe bloggs feels the same way. lets say hes just an violents person who thinks a bitch slap solves problems, i dont fight in real life so i automatically will lose. who stops him hmm...oh wait nobody because they either adopt my philosophy of no violence or his and bitch slap anyone who disagrees with him and he bitch slaps anyone who disagrees with him and he hits the hardest so every one says nothing to him Once again, if you had a guy like that, then everyone would just get up and give him the boot, problem solved. There's no reason youd be forced to live in that society so essentially, if you don't like the way things are going, you can pretty much just go off and start your own commune with people who agree with you more, I don't see why it would ever degenerate to, OMFG I THINK UR LAZY SO IM GONNA KILL U, AND NOW ALL YOU 100 OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOW AFRAID OF ME BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE AN IQ BELOW 20 AND DONT KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACHOTHER TO GET ME TO LEAVE and what pray tell do you think gives you the right to give me a slap for somthing thats doesnt concern you except you want things to be done your way? you give me a slap i'll give a a kick in the face you get up i'll beat you back down and so on untill one of us dies. you learn to just stfu and leave me be in my peace and get on with what im doing we'll get along famously. though i doubt it you like to slap people around and justfy it because nature is cruel. but im a pacifist i try to not get into fights of any kind. if somone wants to sit there and do nothing its no concern of min and im not going to tell them what to do or how to act i have my own buisness to take care of. what give anyone the right to tell people how to live? just a twisted sense of self richouesness. give him the boot huh? FACE THE BAN HAMMER!!! RAWR. again what gives you or a collective the right to do this? power thats all and your own self importance that the decisons yo make are best for the whole. aginag who are you to be making those decisons for somone esle? if they cant be bothered to go out and hunt for foos and water and shelter then let them die or help them GIVE THEM THE BOOT FACE THE BAN HAMMER etc etc blah blah. basically its the people who use force in anywayto enforce there belifes. so some does conform huh kill them collectively FACE THE BOOT AND THE BAN HAMMER kill him and silence the rebelion so things can be just the way you like them. i have a problem with that means anyone who feels the need to dictate those laws and use force in anyway. thats not my way bro latley thogh ive been less willing to tolerate such behaviour. but im small and weak and thor is big and strong...i guess if i face him head to head i get smashe right. that ,eaves me one option. kill the guy who trying to kill me. very simple really. a collective agaist me? kill them all as well. hmmmm you see conflict breeds conflict, people want to be left alone. but you see in an anarcy people just ue nature as the excuse to hurt people and shunn them and genrally make ther life miserable. personally i belive that strengh comes from within, ive never felt the need to hurt anyone ever never felt the need to dictate how another should live feel or be nver felt the need to slap anyone because they piss me off. i just live my life, now all of a sudden there a group who want me to confrom to thier ways through violence. SPELL RIGHT OR ILL SLAP YOU mentality? hmmm ithink ilike to spel ingelish how iwant gar homie desu bro balls How did Native americans survive and coexist? I mean from your logic, the moment their was a disagreement everybody should have been killed right there, sicne humans, according to you, will fight until they kill someone? So how are native americans around right now? they did the smart thing and ran. the smart ones spoke to the smart one on the other sides and aranges reservations to live on and they basically survived because the will to survive meant the took flight instead of fight. but the did fight for a long time, agiat machine guns though the bow and arrow had no chance. in the end certain people on the other side saw wrongs being done ans set to set them staright and the wars stopped but almost at the extinction of the indians. they would have died had it not been for a feww good men willing to fight for them. today the control the casions and have a business empire that rivals any moder buisness they played the game and won. essentially being a small weak person i always run from a fight, of course i would like revenge but that would mean doing certain thing that are not preferable to me, i dont like violence so why should i be violent, somtimes though you have to fight back, but revenge means a lot more violnce...its not my way bro its not my way. i will swallow my pride and walk away from the bully that day and every day even thogh its hard. and thats why. you see not every one thinks in that logic it not MY logic im just showing you thier logic explain how thier logic works...not mine logic bro. im a peacfull person i wont fight unless it absolutly nessasary. which ive found is almost never. |
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minsk said: Holy shit you totally miss interpretted what I was implying I meant how did native american tribes survive BEFORE white people came in. how did the society function within itself? oh LOL...yeah it was an anrachy of sorts more communist because they had tribal leaders and warriors like a communist country they had people who fought and people who worked and the elders dictated what must be done. it wasnt anarchy. there was a scoial starcuture and equal teachngs. but they were very much eart people the earth spirt would take the old ones when the time was them to die and the yound ones did as they were told dicapling and obiedeince lead to a thriving population in small tribes. people alway sget this confused with anarchy because indians ar so spiritual, but, they eat meat wear skins and such so just because they are peacfull doesnt mean they dont have claws, just because they are spiritual etc doesnt mean they didnt have staructure. hippies always get this wrong. |
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minsk said: HISTORY said: minsk said: Holy shit you totally miss interpretted what I was implying I meant how did native american tribes survive BEFORE white people came in. how did the society function within itself? oh LOL...yeah it was an anrachy of sorts more communist because they had tribal leaders and warriors like a communist country they had people who fought and people who worked and the elders dictated what must be done. it wasnt anarchy. there was a scoial starcuture and equal teachngs. but they were very much eart people the earth spirt would take the old ones when the time was them to die and the yound ones did as they were told dicapling and obiedeince lead to a thriving population in small tribes. people alway sget this confused with anarchy because indians ar so spiritual, but, they eat meat wear skins and such so just because they are peacfull doesnt mean they dont have claws, just because they are spiritual etc doesnt mean they didnt have staructure. hippies always get this wrong. Communism doesn't imply that its not anarchism, heres a lolwiki link for youhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism and the elders and leaders did NOT dictate what needed to be done, why? because the society at any time could easily end their leadership, the only reason indian tribes followed their elders and leaders were because they generally knew what was best for the tribe. and i'm implying that NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES WERE WORKING FORMS OF ANARCHIST SOCIETIES therefore, your theory of, anytime there aren't laws people will go crazy and kill eachother is very much so WRONG. one thing you are misunderstanding is that anarchism DOES NOT imply a lack of structure. Please educate yourself now: http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secAcon.html i never said anarchy didnt have a strucure. im not arguing because it sematics basically. i said at the beinging af the thread that things have changed a lot from those times. people are retarded, they dont listen to thier elder anymore they argue instead. the anarchy patter i.e this  is a simplified pattern of anarchy the fact it has a simluar shape to the english letter A is coincidental. copared to this :  the original patters of anasrchy which indians called somthing esle. basically its lvels of understanding and moder understading of anarchy is so simplifed it couldnt ever work as well as the complex form the indians used. the complex pattersns of the dream catcher work so well but so few actuly know how it works or how to uses it properly. im sorry if this last part you dont agree with because its imagery not words and petters are difficult to unnderstand. for this reason im going to end the conversation here because i dont want to get into any more conver sation with somone who diesnt under stad patters etc. if you do fine but also i want to end it not because it hasnt been an interesting discusiion but im bord. |
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minsk said: lmfao.............................. wat you dont understand this is why the conversation must end here get back to me when you understand complex scocial patterns and actual as you so put it ''educated youourself'' about the nature of nature. |
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| minsk, ever heard of "The tragedy of the commons"? This is a big problem in human reasoning, and one of the many reasons why non compulsory systems usually don't work. There are dozens of other problems as well, humans tend to be belligerent, greedy and lazy. But as you say, a small scale anarchic society, especially within a collectivistic culture, can work just fine without authoritarianism. As for larger groups, one might be able to create a sort of enlightened anarchist state where specialists and otherwise particularly enlightened people are looked up to as leaders simply because the masses in turn are enlightened enough to understand it is for the best to heed their words, but the larger the society, the more structured it would have to be, and without authoritarianism it would be much harder to keep it afloat I'd imagine. |
minsk said: HISTORY said: minsk said: lmfao.............................. wat you dont understand this is why the conversation must end here get back to me when you understand complex scocial patterns and actual as you so put it ''educated youourself'' about the nature of nature. I hope you're trolling oh and btw theres no "anarchy pattern" there is you just dont see it. i cant have this conversation anymore with you you dont want to learn anything so why bother myself with it. chaos pattersn patters in general. its all levels. go aboput you troll you do very well and stubour an unwilling as you are to listen there no point in continuing INB4 OMG YOU SO DUMB LOL 9000 |
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minsk said: I'm sorry I couldn't read that. Oh and if there was an "anarchy pattern" it'd be this  not a pttern mate you seem to be a little confused about what a pttern is there. like i said i have to end this conversation with you you dont want to hear anything other than what you want. you say there is a pttern must be true then. its not but i can be bothered to get into a discussion with somone who is not even willing to open there minds to concepts that have been around for mellenia in humn scale an billions of years in universal scale, chaos anarchy, call it what you will. it has pattern. go look at som butterflys and snow flakes and crytal formations. no rebel flag there my freind just patterns. INb4 stupdi NO U /b/ argumnets/ |
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minsk said:  I can't learn from you if I can't understand you. Please enlighten me on your views without misspelling anything. you were given a brain and goole to help with spelling errors use them and we can continue, but no i think you would much rather draw thing into an english lesson ne? i cant be bothered, if Baman and kasier can understand me and perfectly well know how to argument logically and not resort to petty tactics then you can too. learn from them first and we can continuie at a lter date. Bamans idea are very interesting concepts go and listen to him or talk to kaiser about phioloshoy and then when you can argue without the need to be nitty about spelling then maybey you would have achived somthing in life that might lead to to new dawns of learing. im still learing from kaiser and at no point has he ever felt the need to resort to such pettiness. good day sir |
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minsk said: minsk said: I'm sorry I couldn't read that. " This website is designed to offer help and advice to the residents of, and visitors to, the town and port of Goole. We aim to provide a comprehensive guide of the services, facilities, entertainment and businesses available in and around Goole. We also aim to promote Goole and enhance its image throughout Yorkshire, the UK and indeed the whole world!" http://www.goole-guide.net/ When was I given Goole? Am i the mayor of Goole now? Oh goody! gratz on being an idiot. i suppose in real life you would have given me a slap huh. your the reason anarcy would fai, no the reason why it would be shitl. my spelling is just bad, your an idiot, no cure for that ive seen. go troll spam GSTS thread is missing a troll it seems |
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minsk said: Im the reason why anarcy would fai? FAI? FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND? hmm hmmm i c i c good philosophy you have there. good job keep up the tecnique you may keep you ignorance alive for a long time perhaps forever who know. get back to me when they have invented a cure for your stupidity. pants? |
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minsk said: An A with a circle around it is much easier to draw.:x Also, this is mein.  There's lotsa Anarchy flags. |
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ukonkivi said: minsk said: An A with a circle around it is much easier to draw.:x Also, this is mein. There's lotsa Anarchy flags. flags are different to patterns that are naturaly occur in the world around us. the A is easy to draw but its doesnt represnt a flag it represents an simplified universal pattern. |
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| I was just being silly. A black flag might not be easy to draw, but it'd be one of the easiest kinds of flag to make. Just my silly way of saying "wow, there's lotsa anarchy symbols!!!11". minsk said: The black flag is a rejection of the concept of representation zomg, links pl0x. |
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| I'll get to that in a minute. But the rejection of symbols absolutely is silly. Even something like anarchy still should be able to be represented in symbols like anything else. Okay, here we go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_symbolism#Black_flag The uniform blackness of this flag is representative of the negation of all oppressive structures, in deliberate contrast to the colourful flags typical of most nation-states. Additionally, as a white flag is the universal symbol for surrender to superior force – , the black flag is a symbol of defiance, an opposition to surrender. Wikipedia for the win, eh? |
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minsk said: ukonkivi said: minsk said: An A with a circle around it is much easier to draw.:x Also, this is mein. There's lotsa Anarchy flags. The black flag is a rejection of the concept of representation. I personally don't believe in the use of symbols in anarchism.And the specific "badass looking A with the cross on the side" I think was just made so companies could make money off that cool anarki symbol11 If you catch my drift. Look at how much merchandise has anarchy symbols on it, and think of how much of an oxymoron that is. HISTORY said: minsk said: Im the reason why anarcy would fai? FAI? FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION OF IRELAND? hmm hmmm i c i c good philosophy you have there. good job keep up the tecnique you may keep you ignorance alive for a long time perhaps forever who know. get back to me when they have invented a cure for your stupidity. pants? Says the guy who can't spell technique? just stop being an ass because of different understanding. thats all mate im trying to explain somthing it easy to read through mt typos. the brain doesnt need the full word to understand what im saying you know this full well. if at any point you want to got further int to conceots of anarcy etc fine. flags are not baturally accouring patterns.. that why theres so many. theres a certain univeral pattern that expliain everything, choas star, the simplified A sign is just a lesser understanding of the moe complex actual patterns. that it that what it boils down to. because its so shit people creat pyramids a cubes there easier to understand. hence the phtases boxed in, or climb the ladder to the top in pyramids etc. anyway ive said what it is. if you want to have you flag of independence fine but its not somthing i will ever adopt. any flag sytem is stupid. |
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minsk said: No I agree with the useage and the meaning behind the black flag, but the commercialized usage of the (A) causes me to dislike it. You know, there is a such thing as Anarcho-Capitalism? |
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| Something specific please? That shirt looks kind of nifty to me. |
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| Anarchists are often about equality. But I think the main point is freedom from state. By the way, HISTORY is trolling you. That entire account is a troll. |
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ukonkivi said: Anarchists are often about equality. But I think the main point is freedom from state. By the way, HISTORY is trolling you. That entire account is a troll. im hurt ukonkivi i thought we were freinds ; _ ; |
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minsk said: ukonkivi said: Anarchists are often about equality. But I think the main point is freedom from state. By the way, HISTORY is trolling you. That entire account is a troll. Well yeah freedom from the state, but anarchism is also about freedom from all sorts of masters/rulers as well, and say in anarcho-capitalism, the people with more money hold more power in society than the people with less, which seems off to me, it clashes with my idea of working anarchism, it could be that I prefer a//syndicalism though, if anything. And yar I thought so, that's why I haven't given him a serious post or read really any full post of what hes said since he brought up dreamcatchers.. lol if only you could see the patterns my friend oif only...one day maybey one day. |
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minsk said: double post^ ban pl0x oh nvm |
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| I disagree that with minsk's opinion that Capitalist anarchism is not anarchism. But the statement has me curious, what do you consider Anarcho-Capitalists? Also, what are your opinions on Max Stirner? |
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| I don't think humans being selfish particularly gets in the way of anarchy. Overarching, oppressive government, only makes the problem worse. And most laws to do not belong there. Some would argue all laws can be replaced by a more tribal commune way of dealing with things. Also, I don't believe there is an objective concept of "right". Just things that tend to benefit society more. |
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ukonkivi said: I don't think humans being selfish particularly gets in the way of anarchichy. Overarching, oppressive government, only makes the problem worse. And most laws to do not belong there. Some would argue all laws can be replaced by a more tribal commune way of dealing with things. Also, I don't believe there is an objective concept of "right". Just things that tend to benefit society more. hmmm i love the way you just adda anarchy as the prefix to capitlism or communis just call it anarchic-*insert word* seems pretty dumb because your just tlaking about capitalism or w/e under anarcy and anarcy means ''no arcry'' basically. hmmmm the sufix of arcyh itself and the prfex of that, an, mon etc. An-Archy, Mon-Archy hmmmm hmmmm whats an archy hmmmm hmmmm |
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minsk said: HISTORY said: ukonkivi said: I don't think humans being selfish particularly gets in the way of anarchichy. Overarching, oppressive government, only makes the problem worse. And most laws to do not belong there. Some would argue all laws can be replaced by a more tribal commune way of dealing with things. Also, I don't believe there is an objective concept of "right". Just things that tend to benefit society more. hmmm i love the way you just adda anarchy as the prefix to capitlism or communis just call it anarchic-*insert word* seems pretty dumb because your just tlaking about capitalism or w/e under anarcy and anarcy means ''no arcry'' basically. hmmmm the sufix of arcyh itself and the prfex of that, an, mon etc. An-Archy, Mon-Archy hmmmm hmmmm whats an archy hmmmm hmmmm Yes, anarchy as in an=non and archy=leadership and government * anarchy—rule by none * andrarchy—rule by men * ecclesiarchy—rule by a church * monarchy—rule by a head of state * thearchy—rule by God or gods DarkSun said: Anarchy is a great concept which, when applied to reality, fails completely "a good example of a really large-scale anarchist revolution -- in fact the best example to my knowledge -- is the Spanish revolution in 1936, in which over most of Republican Spain there was a quite inspiring anarchist revolution that involved both industry and agriculture over substantial areas . . . And that again was, by both human measures and indeed anyone's economic measures, quite successful. That is, production continued effectively; workers in farms and factories proved quite capable of managing their affairs without coercion from above, contrary to what lots of socialists, communists, liberals and other wanted to believe." The revolution of 1936 was "based on three generations of experiment and thought and work which extended anarchist ideas to very large parts of the population." [Radical Priorities, p. 212] http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secA5.html <-examples of anarchism in action so in every archy there a structure, anarchy means no government right? ok so archy is leadership. but i thought there was no leader in an Anarchy? it seems to co agaist the very principles it stands for self defeating in a sense. no leaders bascially thats what an anarchy is right? no government. this seems starnge to me it makes no sense really to me. thats why they have to add communistci ananry etc prefic an actual govermnet to the non gevernment to make it work which deafeats the point of having government. also what is goverment? a goering force of somkind be it church or one man or w/e. are we to say there is no governing force in an anarchy? but if this is true then what decides to amke a group work and for what reason? there must be some kind or general govering idea or philosophy? hence why the prefic of captist anarchy communist anarcy etc. so its not a true anarchy becaus ethe a governing idea or ideology of minds that agree on how thing are done and get done, butthat not anarchy. thats grouparchy yes i just made that up there might be a word for it i dont it though. what about rulled by women as well what would that be called? ruled by men is ruled by mens idead goveredn by men mens ideas so how different would it be ruled by women? basically its stupid becaus ethere always a governing force behind everything. like the govering force of gravity. say you want a world without gravity. actaly the most you culd hope to achive is just minimal gravity because gravitation felds and such work on massive scales at the center of eart the most gravity further away from that less gravity but only untill you reache the next gravity well and the whle thing is governed by the gavity of the sun and that of the galaxy etc. so you cant escape the fact theres a goveringing force to everything. even an anarchy. which means a true anarchy cant exist just a decreased level of goveemrment the loosest structure of govermnt there can possible be. but it still being governed. there fore not an anarchy. |
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anarchichy OH GOD WHY DID I HAVE TO MAKE THAT TYPO WHY COULD I NOT PROOFREAD ENOUGH. IT WAS NEARLY A PERFECT POST. HISTORY said: what about rulled by women as well what would that be called? Matriarchy. |
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ukonkivi said: anarchichy OH GOD WHY DID I HAVE TO MAKE THAT TYPO WHY COULD I NOT PROOFREAD ENOUGH. IT WAS NEARLY A PERFECT POST. HISTORY said: what about rulled by women as well what would that be called? Matriarchy. oh yeah.....duh how could i forget that. stupid. anyway i guess it sort of shows that women just get pushed to the side as always. |
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| yes but it not equal though that is my point. its an idea, but when somone gets pissed at you then they will use whatever means to shut you up and remove you from the group. thats no equal that somone dictating over you. if the collective rules you are not welcome them it becomes about us and them. so its stops being equal. the thoery is nice but it doesnt work. there may be no agrred law enforment but if somones stronger than you then they enforce it themselves no need gor a giverment when you can just kick a persons head in at will if the dont conform to group. you said why would you want to screw your brother over etc but people do for thier own reasons all the time. its a fantasy that people wouldnt do it an an anarchy. they just be able to do it more effctively no geverment hence no law to stop somone from stealing you stuff or kicking your head in if they choose. |
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minsk said: How does it not work if its worked in the past? but it doesnt work well. capitalism works comunism works socialists work just not well also read my edit. |
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minsk said: " the Spanish revolution in 1936, in which over most of Republican Spain there was a quite inspiring anarchist revolution that involved both industry and agriculture over substantial areas . . . And that again was, by both human measures and indeed anyone's economic measures, quite successful. That is, production continued effectively; workers in farms and factories proved quite capable of managing their affairs without coercion from above, contrary to what lots of socialists, communists, liberals and other wanted to believe." -Noam Chomsky so what? whats that got to do with anything capatsim works well years ago we inveted it it was really sucessful etc etc you didnt respond the the question in my edit. you said do you need a gun to be be put to your head to do a thing. but do you have a gun? or do they have a gun? are they just just saying i should need to hold a gun to your head, but they have the gun you do not its not pointed at you but its still there. aslo a true anarcy would be a mexican stand off in those situations everyone dies. it just depends on who pulls the trigger first. |
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