| through the thread, I see 3 possible scenarios. Scenario number 1.; we 'll do nothing, leave everything as now. This is the fastest and eaiest... but will not solve anything, and then, we just wasted our energy and time here with this thread. Scenario number 2.; replace 'shoujo-ai' tag with Yuri. Repair it in the database and in the entries. Announce it out loud, so no one will be confused about, why there are no longer 'shoujo-ai' tags. It will make the currently isolated two become one. It seems some peoples have problem with this, well, if hentai tag will be used correctly, then no one who searces for tamer Yuri will accidentaly start watching/reading +18 things, I think. Plus I think most Yuri fans already know, that Yuri not means Yuri + hentai by itself. Scenario number 3.; replace 'shoujo-ai' with something other than Yuri. Repair it in the database and in the entries. Announce it out loud, so no one will be confused about, why there are an another tag instead of 'shoujo-ai' tag. With this the currently two, remain two (though I don't see why it's good, because it's weird for me that they're isolated, and it's hard to decide, where are the border between the two) If we would like this scenario, we should decide about the new name of the tag. Searching for a word, what describes tamer Yuri, and 'Subtext Yuri' ≠ tamer Yuri, so that's not a word we should use. But this would end with the born of a new tag, never used before, and that Realy can be confusing. Plus, this isolation can't be found in Japanase, to begin with. I personally prefer Scenario number 2. also, please correct me if I'm wrong somewhere. |
kitsune0 said: You're so silly.You're either very fat green troll or know English much worse than me. I give the definition of subtext right on this page. With it, there would be no questions why other genres can't have a "subtext". Your "definition" is incorrect. Try google.Well, except your oh so precious "yaoi". Yes, you can petition the Hell out of it, though I somehow doubt that it'll be successful - fujoshis are noting but vocal minority here. Though, yes, very vocal. You didn't understand what I wrote, but it was mildly cryptic, so I guess it's my fault.kitsune0 said: Again, you're simply incorrect. Genres are, by nature, very general descriptors. While some genres are more clear cut than others, none that I can think of are purely black and white—romance is not unique.-sigh- Listen. There is no such things as "subtext" in other genres (except yaoi, yes). And can't be. Subtext is when things uncertain. How the Hell things can be uncertain with sport? 0r mecha? There either is sport (mecha, etc) or not. When does an anime become a sports anime? When the characters play basketball for thirty seconds out of 24 episodes? Surely not. How about five minutes? Ten minutes? An hour? It's not obvious. When does an anime become a mecha anime? When a character rides in a mecha for thirty seconds out of 24 episodes? Surely not. How about five minutes? Ten minutes? An hour? It's not obvious. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Sora_92 said: Same.I personally prefer Scenario number 2. |
Sora_92 said: Will pieces which are marked as shoujo-ai but lack actual homosexual content just lose the tag?I personally prefer Scenario number 2. also, please correct me if I'm wrong somewhere. Maria-sama, for example. |
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| This is good news, we should not erase shoujo-ai tag, instead we should use it for what it means. MAL is seriously lacking of loli tag. This way we can prevent people watching the wrong stuff, especially feminist. Please, MAL! |
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Mogu-sama said: Will pieces which are marked as shoujo-ai but lack actual homosexual content just lose the tag? Maria-sama, for example. Hm... that's indeed an interesting question... If something is not Yuri, then why it's tagged with the tag what MAL currently uses - wrongly - for tamer Yuri? and if it's tamer Yuri, then, it's Yuri. I didn't read or watched MariMite yet, so I don't know... |
Mogu-sama said: I haven't seen Maria-sama, but what do you mean by "actual" homosexual content? Unless it was mislabeled shoujo-ai (going by the Western interpretation), it should qualify as yuri.Will pieces which are marked as shoujo-ai but lack actual homosexual content just lose the tag? Maria-sama, for example. Edit: I basically just repeated what Sora said, lol. Oh well. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
brrr said: Maria-sama is labeled at shoujo-ai, yet all relationships within the anime & manga are close friendships. They never become explicitly romantic. There was one acknowledged homosexual romantic relationship, in a flashback, for one episode, which promptly ended by one of them I haven't seen Maria-sama, but what do you mean by "actual" homosexual content? Unless it was mislabeled shoujo-ai (going by the Western interpretation), it should qualify as yuri. Edit: I basically just repeated what Sora said, lol. Oh well. If we are to take Yuri as meaning more than just friends (even really really good friends) then Maria-sama would have the tag removed. TV Tropes offers more insight: Edit: Would we also consider Yuru Yuri to have the tag as well? Despite no romantic relationships ever forming, the most being fantasy shots, the show retains both the publication location and the tag on MAL. At what point does the amount of content displaying explicit relationships (fantasy or otherwise) become enough to warrant the Yuri tag? This is an easy call for a lot of things, but it gets harder to do with certain anime/manga. Take this manga for example, it never actually shows the two main characters in a romantic relationship. It does show a one way romantic attraction but tends to give mixed signals as to whether this is returned and if anything actually happens beyond being...really really good friends. Do we consider this Yuri? It seems the author intended it to be Yuri (from the extra bits). Do we take it at the author's word? And then this as well which shows the main couple living together as adults (in an extra, anyway). But shows no romantic plays or much beyond friendship during the main story. There is a near kiss at one point but it doesn't go very far (read: no where). |
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| Hmm. I can only specifically comment on Notes from the Garden of Lilies, since it's the only one of those that I've read or seen. I recall Lilies being explicitly yuri (as in, explicit romantic interest), but maybe I'm misremembering it. I think it's worth noting that it was scanlated by Yuri Project, although that of course does not guarantee its status as yuri. Genre labeling can certainly be difficult, but, as I mentioned earlier, that's true in general. Regarding the practical question of how to make the switch, my opinion is that everything with the shoujo-ai tag should initially be given the yuri tag. That would maintain consistency. Then, if people want to present a case as to why something shouldn't be tagged yuri, they can. |
JoshFeb 6, 2014 5:20 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
brrr said: That sounds agreeable to me.Genre labeling can certainly be difficult, but, as I mentioned earlier, that's true in general. Regarding the practical question of how to make the switch, my opinion is that everything with the shoujo-ai tag should initially be given the yuri tag. That would maintain consistency. Then, if people want to present a case as to why something shouldn't be tagged yuri, they can. |
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Sora_92 said: If you're makin' it this way, than I'd like to point that genres themselves are actually not so solid. But that way leads us to The Abyss of nowhere.Problem is with the name 'Yuri Subtext' that it's too wide, and can cause confusion, where are it's borders, + Brrr - aside readig the whole thread or not - pointed out, that then, yaoi fans would like a yaoi subtext tag... he's right with this. Sora_92 said: I understand it pretty well and have nothin' against it. Just as it's been pointed: that's what "hentai" tag here for. And ratings (PG-14 and such).thing is; 'Subtext Yuri' ≠ tamer Yuri. that's why the name is not good. Sora_92 said: I don't call him fujoshi.I don't see what would make Brrr a fujoshi. Also, we, Yuri fans have no right, I think, to say anything bad about yaoi fans, that's just another path, not wrong path. (note: I don't like yaoi) + (but correct me if I'm wrong) fujoshi are girls, who like both yaoi, and Yuri. 2.+, we Yuri fans are probably just as small minority in MAL as they're. Yes, we have. Yaoi fangals (=fujoshis) are the cancer that killin' anime, manga, fandom and MAL itself. Just look at that. 0r how they crippled "Code Geass" (both) rank. 0r "LoGH" rank. (hint: look at the "Illegitimate accounts") They are the most obnoxious fans ever that constantly shovin' their oh so precious subject in every thread possible and impossible. Yuri fans are in no way like them. Nope, fujoshi=yaoi fangirl. That's why Konata from "Lucky*Star" are otaku (female), not fujoshi. Yes, we are minority, but not even close so vocal as yaoi fans. Sora_92 said: AniDB usin' it, why we can't?You're nearly right with this, but you did forgot het. romance subtext. The problem with 'subtext', - let it be het., yaoi, or Yuri - , it's too wide, and nobody can say where are it's boders, hence, using it as tags can realy cause confusion. brrr said: You totally missed the joke, congrats.You're so silly. brrr said: The most popular argument when you have nothin' solid to say. Well, that's after "C-c-combo Breaker!!!"Your "definition" is incorrect. Try google. brrr said: 0n the contrary, I understand you very vell, it's just you again missed the joke.You didn't understand what I wrote, but it was mildly cryptic, so I guess it's my fault. brrr said: Do you seriously want to try and suggest other "elements of [genre]" tags? Do you seriously think it's needed?Again, you're simply incorrect. [...] It's not obvious. There is one simple thing: if there are two different tags for one and the same genre, then it means that it's needed. People need it. MAL need it (look at the AniDB - it's not like MAL's special). We need it. So, don't delete it - keep it as it is or rename that one that's obscure. |
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kitsune0 said: Sora_92 said: AniDB usin' it, why we can't?The problem with 'subtext', - let it be het., yaoi, or Yuri - , it's too wide, and nobody can say where are it's boders, hence, using it as tags can realy cause confusion. Huh? I didn't knew that site before, you're talking about, so I checked out. Plus 'yuri subtext' tag is used as Yuri subtext there - in the meaning of girl x girl subtext, not in the meaning of girl x girl hentai subtext. So I think they contradicting themeselves, if they declared that in their database, 'yuri' means Yuri + hentai. I don't want to say bad about anybody or any site, but I find this confusing, but it could be I'm too silly to understand them. kitsune0 said: There is one simple thing: if there are two different tags for one and the same genre, then it means that it's needed. People need it. MAL need it (look at the AniDB - it's not like MAL's special). We need it. So, don't delete it - keep it as it is or rename that one that's obscure. Hm... you have a point here. I remember I seen somewhere, Sir. Isaac Newton said something, like; "everithing that exist has a reason/purpose, if it wouldn't has one, it wouldn't exist to begin with" or something like this. But! this isolation not exist in Japan, where Anime cames from. Let's think about it... let's say there is a new Anime/Manga Japan tags it as Yuri (girl x girl)... it arrives to MAL, and what will the they do with it? |
Sora_92 said: 'categories'; what is 'blackmail' category for example? ...uh... where is 'romance' category? ... wait, after opening a lot of "node branches" I found it under 'pornograpy'... and there are some other 'categories I'm not understand, like Valentine's day, Earth, Asia, ect. Then read THE DESCRIPTION!! Sora_92 said: 'tags'; just randomly select some... alcohol, combat buttler, karaoke, girl with katana, Pocky, swimsuit, mobile phone, winter, ...I don't see what are theese even usefull for, like is there an Anime, where there are no mobile phones? (of course fantasy, medieval, ect., but I don't see the point of it), many of these tags are too wide, or just have no point. Some of them maybe yes. Concerning mobile phones (tags can be applied to anime as well as characters), I think it's more useful to use for characters: Character Tag Description: Character is often or always using a mobile phone. and so on... I recommend you to read the descriptions first, and if you have some questions left, you can ask them here. But I must notice that AniDB categories and tags are far more detailed and elaborate comparing to MAL, in fact I never cared for MAL tags in the slightest |
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Sora_92 said: Sorry for not providin' the link, AniDB was mentioned before in this discussion, so I thought you knew about it.Huh? I didn't knew that site before, you're talking about, so I checked out. Sora_92 said: 0h, wonderful, again you've bring up some of the most famous guys. I like it. Seriously.I remember I seen somewhere, Sir. Isaac Newton said something, like; "everithing that exist has a reason/purpose, if it wouldn't has one, it wouldn't exist to begin with" or something like this. But! this isolation not exist in Japan, where Anime cames from. But. We're not Japan. For example: they're usin' Eirin system for ratings, we're usin' MPAA rating system, as I understand. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
| Wow. I suspected that somethin' is not right here, but to thought that it's all actually just made up... Well, thank you for the link, but I think you get the idea what I'm tryin' to say. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
| We should use the term more... I prefer anime like Madoka magica, ga rei zero, and k-on to real yuri anyway Why not have a term to differentiate between female romanctic friendship, and legit yuri? |
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silversongwriter said: What is legit yuri?We should use the term more... I prefer anime like Madoka magica, ga rei zero, and k-on to real yuri anyway Why not have a term to differentiate between female romanctic friendship, and legit yuri? Did you bother to read even a few pages of the thread? |
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There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
Tsukasa112 said: I don't like Shoujo-Ai as a tag because it makes it harder to find things and I'd be okay if it were all retagged Yuri and the tag removed for that reason, but for this? That's just plain stupid. If all BL was tagged Yaoi, it'd be harder to separate the hardcore porno ones with the light boys love ones. So, no, I don't support this idea. |
Eearu said: And there's proof http://myanimelist.net/anime/20047/Sakura_Trick = Even now some entries are addering to the correct term and nobody is confused about it. So, where's "yuri" tag there now? I don't see it |
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mayukachan said: Tsukasa112 said: I don't like Shoujo-Ai as a tag because it makes it harder to find things and I'd be okay if it were all retagged Yuri and the tag removed for that reason, but for this? That's just plain stupid. If all BL was tagged Yaoi, it'd be harder to separate the hardcore porno ones with the light boys love ones. So, no, I don't support this idea. This is what it should be so I don't understand what people are complaining about. Yaoi is there for the more hardore stuff and Yuri should be exactly the same. Keep the shonen-ai and shoujo-ai there, they are usefull |
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| Having two tags for the same thing is silly. Whether something has sexual content or not should be a tag on its own. It could be called 'smut' or something like that. That way you can have girl x girl = yuri tag girl x girl with sex scenes = yuri tag + smut tag The same thing would work for yaoi. And you can also use the smut tag to show that heterosexual anime/manga have sex scenes. |
| I support changing the term, but if it is changed it should have an alternate tag, not just get lumped into one term... It would make finding non-smut hard. |
Laniaka said: Indeed, but I disagree with creating yet another tag.Having two tags for the same thing is silly. Whether something has sexual content or not should be a tag on its own. It could be called 'smut' or something like that. That way you can have girl x girl = yuri tag girl x girl with sex scenes = yuri tag + smut tag The same thing would work for yaoi. And you can also use the smut tag to show that heterosexual anime/manga have sex scenes. The definition of MAL is silly and makes the hentai tag redundant. Read: http://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=genre Basically by MAL's definition the Yuri tag is the equivalent of: Yuri + Hentai If you want to separate yuri from (yuri + hentai), you just use the Hentai tag. There's no need to be redundant and create another tag for something that already exists. To separate it from mild-hentai (also known as ecchi), you use the ecchi tag. It's just that simple. |
Sonotoki said: For anime it might be redundant since anime pretty much never show sex scenes unless they're full blown porn (i.e. hentai).If you want to separate yuri from (yuri + hentai), you just use the Hentai tag. There's no need to be redundant and create another tag for something that already exists. To separate it from mild-hentai (also known as ecchi), you use the ecchi tag. It's just that simple. But there are plenty of manga that do have sex scenes but not that explicit and not as a main focus. They are not hentai and since the mal genre list you linked says Ecchi does not describe actual sex acts they aren't covered by the ecchi tag either.So smut wouldn't be redundant. |
| I personally do use shoujo-ai/yuri (as well as shounen-ai/yaoi), but I will be happy to change that so long as there is an alternative. Idgaf that in Japan yaoi/yuri means ALL relationships between males/females, there should be some distinction between the explicit and non-explicit material. Because how many of you people calling that there be no shoujo-ai tag actually read/watch that kind of material? Is it really going to kill you that some people are referring to something that they read as shoujo-ai instead of yuri? Especially when it really won't effect you anyway? What exactly do you have to gain by forcing everyone else to use what you think is the correct term? |
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chinesecartoonz said: The fact that I can live with the status quo doesn't mean that improvement wouldn't be welcomed. And with all change there are people who will complain they liked the old way better. If you're afraid of such things you can never change anything.Is it really going to kill you that some people are referring to something that they read as shoujo-ai instead of yuri? Especially when it really won't effect you anyway? What exactly do you have to gain by forcing everyone else to use what you think is the correct term? |
Laniaka said: I'm not saying that. I'm saying unless you'd directly be effected by the change (i.e. you are a reader of the genre(s) in question), there's no use complaining about it. The fact is, we are not Japan, and not every word in Japanese has to mean the exact same thing here, just like how Japan uses mansion (the actual English word mansion) to mean a flat, and we use their word shoujo-ai to mean not explicit relationships between girls. This site is the WESTERN audience (there might be some legit Japanese on here, but they are the absolute minority), and so we are here to use what would be, for lack of a better term, "practical" for the audience that uses this site and has to navigate it no matter what the change is. Is some random Japanese guy walking down the street (where shoujo-ai means pedo) going to have to use this site where we use shoujo-ai? No! So why should we cater to the desires of some people, the absolute minority who make up a small portion of people on this site?chinesecartoonz said: The fact that I can live with the status quo doesn't mean that improvement wouldn't be welcomed. And with all change there are people who will complain they liked the old way better. If you're afraid of such things you can never change anything.Is it really going to kill you that some people are referring to something that they read as shoujo-ai instead of yuri? Especially when it really won't effect you anyway? What exactly do you have to gain by forcing everyone else to use what you think is the correct term? |
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| I am a reader of the genre in question but that doesn't really affect the validity of what I say. While I do care about what they call it in Japan, for me that is not the reason why I'd like to see shoujo ai removed. I don't care if they call it 'shoujo ai' or 'yuri' or 'girls love' or 'lesbian relations' or whatever. It's having two different tags for the same thing what bothers me. It is atrocious from a database perspective and it is annoying that there is no tag that envelopes all girl x girl things. And if you do only use one term, then it makes sense to pick yuri over shoujo ai because of their meanings in Japanese. It might be better to call it something else entirely like 'girls love' since the english speaking fandom is used to yuri meaning it has sexual content. |
LaniakaMay 28, 2015 5:56 PM
Laniaka said: I see, but then I believe this should have its own discussion, I don't see how deflating the tags yuri from (yuri + hentai) is connected to creating your tag which's use is not dependent to it. If like you said, nor ecchi nor hentai replaces the tag smut then it is unrelated to the suggestion because MAL's definition of yuri is (yuri + hentai), not (yuri + sexual content).For anime it might be redundant since anime pretty much never show sex scenes unless they're full blown porn (i.e. hentai). But there are plenty of manga that do have sex scenes but not that explicit and not as a main focus. They are not hentai and since the mal genre list you linked says Ecchi does not describe actual sex acts they aren't covered by the ecchi tag either.So smut wouldn't be redundant. chinesecartoonz said: I know people do. The foundation of the thread and its main supporters during the discussion last year do. I also believe it makes the most sense to assume that most people who'd advocate for fixing the tags would be people who are familiar with their material. But this is completely irrelevant either way:Because how many of you people calling that there be no shoujo-ai tag actually read/watch that kind of material? chinesecartoonz said: Would any single flaw on this website really kill anyone? With this perspective what would be the point of this board?Is it really going to kill you that some people are referring to something that they read as shoujo-ai instead of yuri? Especially when it really won't effect you anyway? This thread was made to suggest an improvement by fixing a mistake, like you already know, not only the term is incorrect it also creates redundancy. It should be of interest to the database to minimize incoherences like this, even if not a single person cared about the database. Other people brought up the shounen (and other) demographics with the point that it isn't a genre, while legitimate it should be a much harder improvement to implement, considering it would be needed to build an workaround for tagging them (demographics), fixing this particular issue shouldn't be much hard at all, considering you are just getting rid of a tag and using the others that already exist for what they by themselves. For each entry where it is due: Yuri is replaced by Yuri + Hentai. Shoujo-ai is replaced by Yuri. No redundancy, no incoherent terms, leaders around the globe agree to work towards world peace, everyone is happy. |
Sonotoki said: You are right but the problem is that MAL doesn't stick to its own definitions. MAL tagging is a mess and in practice 'yuri' is often used for series that are not hentai, like for example Hanjuku Joshi.I see, but then I believe this should have its own discussion, I don't see how deflating the tags yuri from (yuri + hentai) is connected to creating your tag which's use is not dependent to it. If like you said, nor ecchi nor hentai replaces the tag smut then it is unrelated to the suggestion because MAL's definition of yuri is (yuri + hentai), not (yuri + sexual content). |
DrCoppelius said: I think there are quite a few heterosexual seinen works that have sex scenes but aren't hentai. I don't really read those type of manga though so I'm not sure either.The issue with yuri + hentai is, once again, that a manga having sexual content does not necessarily make it hentai. Smut would be better but I haven't seen any hetero manga for which it'd be applicable (correct me if I'm wrong of course, but I think romances with explicit sexual contents are mostly/exclusively yaoi and yuri, not hetero), so it's a nearly useless tag and fixes nothing. Well it's not like I feel like a smut tag is such a great idea. It's just that I don't like the current situation and that's the only thing that comes to mind which kind of fixes it. I guess I'm stupid for expecting MAL to care about the details of their tag definitions when they don't care to consistently apply their own definitions. |
LaniakaMay 28, 2015 7:06 PM
| one thing thats wrong with this thread is that we are taking the literal meaning by that logic we have to change around everything thats shounen already cuz shounen doesnt mean fighting it literally means targeting little boys... shoujo ai for light yuri is just fine |
DrCoppelius said: Then put the hentai tag if there's no hentai, fix one tag and eliminates the misconception that said manga contains hentai, two bird with one stone.The issue with yuri + hentai is, once again, that a manga having sexual content does not necessarily make it hentai. DrCoppelius said: I don't particularly care about this additional tag but I think you are wrong with that assumption, either way I believe the "rating" could fullfil this (R-18: sexual content) but I'm probably wrong.Smut would be better but I haven't seen any hetero manga for which it'd be applicable (correct me if I'm wrong of course, but I think romances with explicit sexual contents are mostly/exclusively yaoi and yuri, not hetero), so it's a nearly useless tag and fixes nothing. |
Moodie said: Is sakura trick what you would call light yuri?shoujo ai for light yuri is just fine Because unless you separate yuri from (yuri + hentai), there's no way to make the dinstinction. What if the anime is neither hentai nor "light yuri"? "Light yuri" There should be no borderline imo, it either has homosexual love or it doesn't, but I'm going along with your opinion to demonstrate how the tag still raises problems. It creates even more inconsistency within the database, to the point it needs to betray its own definitions in order to work-around its limitations. Sakura trick is just an example, it even had the yuri tag on the first days when it was added to the db. Then there's yuri kuma arashi, another shoujo-ai. |
Sonotoki said: idk these taggings are stupid anyways on mal Moodie said: Is sakura trick what you would call light yuri?shoujo ai for light yuri is just fine Because unless you separate yuri from (yuri + hentai), there's no way to make the dinstinction. What if the anime is neither hentai nor "light yuri"? "Light yuri" There should be no borderline imo, it either has homosexual love or it doesn't, but I'm going along with your opinion to demonstrate how the tag still raises problems. It creates even more inconsistency within the database, to the point it needs to betray its own definitions in order to work-around its limitations. Sakura trick is just an example, it even had the yuri tag on the first days when it was added to the db. Then there's yuri kuma arashi, another shoujo-ai. what i consider yuri is a lesbian couple what i consider shoujo ai is light or implied lesbians i cant get any more complex than that |
| They still haven't fixed this, huh? I guess MAL isn't interested in consistency or accuracy after all. |
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| ok here is the problem with yuri/hentai and yuri. not all yuri with explicit content are hentai just like all those shoujo smut manga are not hentai just because they have some explicit material this might fix the problem with yuri/shoujo-ai tag now, but we would just get another problem with manga that arent even hentai being tagged as hentai which would be way worse |
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chinesecartoonz said: Exactly.ok here is the problem with yuri/hentai and yuri. not all yuri with explicit content are hentai just like all those shoujo smut manga are not hentai just because they have some explicit material chinesecartoonz said: Which is unrelated to this problem. If you call it a problem then it is a problem for non-yuri too, there's not tag for sexual content for hetero or for yaoi, and not everything that contains sexual content is hentai. Fixing one problem gets you with one less problem remaining. After that you'd only need to worry about getting a 'sexual content' tag, which again, is its own separate matter.this might fix the problem with yuri/shoujo-ai tag now, but we would just get another problem with manga that arent even hentai being tagged as hentai which would be way worse |
| ^ You are absolutely right, now, if only a moderator/db admin would at least pronounce their stance in this thread. |
MomonoJun 2, 2015 6:19 AM
| I support this. Nowadays even the western fans use "Yuri" for non-hentai lesbian content. In some normal anime threads I often see people asking if it containts "Yuri". But I never saw someone ask 'does this contain "shoujo ai"?'. So it is obvious that Yuri is used for non-hentai lesbian content as well and "shoujo-ai" is outdated. If you want to search and find normal vs. hentai then you'd only need to exclude the ones that are tagged as hentai from the search. Edit: Also see here: https://myanimelist.net/anime/6164/Aoi_Hana Haven't watched this but I knew from others and threads that people consider this Yuri and that it doesn't contain sex (normal romance). On MAL it is "shojo ai". Yuri + the Romance might be enough to see that it is more romance-focused. And try your browser search and search for "yuri" on that page. "Yuri" is used instead of "shoujo ai" a lot. A "featured" article lists this as Yuri. And a news about it mentions "It has been announced that Takako Shimura's yuri manga Aoi Hana (Sweet Blue Flowers) will end in the 82nd issue of Manga Erotics F. " instead of saying "the shoujo-ai manga will end". |
LuthandoriusDec 19, 2016 4:38 AM
| As well as using yaoi instead of shounen ai, but try it somewhere near fujoshis and you'll get a shitstorm of epic proportions. So no, it should be as it is. It's the same way as many people using "guro" while actually talking about just some bloody scenes. Live with it. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
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