Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 47 Discussion

Marius2005 said:
This episode had some really cool moments but I feel like they've made Kurapika too over powered for this one thing and that he will be kind of useless in most other situations. Not that he will be weak but he'll be relegated to a support role or the one that tests of the power of the bad guys because Gon or whoever else gets there after they are done with the Phantom Troupe. While he is powerful, the conditions on his powers really limit his scope. The Emperor Time is very powerful in any given situation I guess but powers like that have to be limited or Kurapika would be godlike.

I haven't read the manga so I don't know how long it will take to deal with the Phantom Troupe but Kurapika is one of the better characters in the show and I'd hate to see him relegated to a role in the background after the Phantom Troupe stuff is done.

This was the best episode in quite a while. I feel like it wasn't rushed and there weren't any really odd editing decisions. I just wish the show was like this more often.

Mikasa said:
People need to remember that only Chain Jail and Judgement chain are exclusive to the PT.
Emperor time with the 100% for everything as well as the 3 other chains are for everyone else.

He is still stronger than Gon and Kil -.-

InfiniteDestiny said:
D: how can someone hate this episode?

meshimoon said:
^ if a hax ability is hax, it doesn't matter if it's well-explained or not, it's still hax. I don't think Emperor Time is such a terrible offender though.

meshimoon said:
^ I thought 'hax' just means that something's (almost ridiculously) super-powerful compared to other stuff? whether or not it's got a reason.

meshimoon said:
^ if a hax ability is hax, it doesn't matter if it's well-explained or not, it's still hax. I don't think Emperor Time is such a terrible offender though.

noonealive said:


It's not a hax. If you think it's a hax than you not paying attention to the story. It took him 6 months to gain the ability. He grew up making such a choice. So no it's not a hax. If you think it's a hax than you obviously have less intellect and don't understand developments of stories.

Also why did his whole tribe get killed. I thought those eyes had hax abilities.

jlr2m said:
Maybe kurapika was able to beat Uvo because of the conditions on his chain, but how was he able to :

-become that fast (Uvo couldn't keep up with him at some point)
-take a straight 100% big bang impact, and get away with only his arm broken
-learn such advanced technics, such as In an Gyo

All of that in 6 months.

jlr2m said:
Maybe kurapika was able to beat Uvo because of the conditions on his chain, but how was he able to :

-become that fast (Uvo couldn't keep up with him at some point)
-take a straight 100% big bang impact, and get away with only his arm broken
-learn such advanced technics, such as In an Gyo

All of that in 6 months.

meshimoon said:



the bolded. but is there really any reason to try to insult whoever has a varying view on a possibly debatable/subjective matter?

general question: is it confirmed that anybody from the Kurta tribe was specialization when their eyes turned red? and not just Kurapika? because I had assumed only Kurapika had Emperor Time and the ability only activating when his eyes were red being a condition instead of a genetic trait.

Mikasa said:
@MM-Rosiie as of ep. 5 I don't see any decline :p




1. Well KP is small and Uvo is big so that's a natural advantage, not to mention that he usually catches him off-guard and Uvo himself stayed away because of the chain.
2. Ko? He's also an enhancer at the time remember?
EDIT: Also KP is not the same as the ground which means less resistance for him so he'd just get knocked away 100 feet in the air instead of eating the whole punch with max resistance and gets obliterated

3. Well they're not that advanced, Gon learned it in a few days, Killua even less. Kurapika had 6 months, that's way more than enough to become a PRO at using them

jlr2m said:



1- Being small is definetly an advantage on kurapika's side, however this wasn't applied in Gon vs Hanzo for example. And Uvo staying away is an argument against kurapika, since Uvo should have enough time to see KP comming. I'm not saying that Uvo should be faster than KP, I'm saying he should be able to see his movements, and not get attacked from behind.

2- Big bang impact(BBI), is an explosion. In the manga it's compared to a small missile. You can't expect KP to survive a missile just by not being the groun. And KP's Ko shouldn't be that good, Uvo spent years to perfect his BBI.

3- Well, Gon and Killua learned only Gyo. KP learned Ko and In, and the 6 months weren't only for these technics, he also materialized 5 very powerful chains, at least 3 of them can be used against any opponent(not only the spiders). He also learned to "controle" the emperor's time, he can go in and out of it at will(this will be said in the next few episodes). Not to mention the time he spent in looking for an adequate job, and in getting info about the spiders.

In my opinion, it should take KP at least a year per chain for him to use them that effitiently. Uvo for example, spent years perfecting his BBI.And as you'll see, Gon and Killua will spend too much time to improve there special attacks. KP, on the other hand, learned nen form 0, and mastered 5 special attacks in less than 6 months.

4- How come, someone as experienced as Uvo doesn't use Gyo in a serious fight. If he had used it, he wouldn't have been caught by the chain jail. At least not that easily.

jlr2m said:



1- Being small is definetly an advantage on kurapika's side, however this wasn't applied in Gon vs Hanzo for example. And Uvo staying away is an argument against kurapika, since Uvo should have enough time to see KP comming. I'm not saying that Uvo should be faster than KP, I'm saying he should be able to see his movements, and not get attacked from behind.

2- Big bang impact(BBI), is an explosion. In the manga it's compared to a small missile. You can't expect KP to survive a missile just by not being the groun. And KP's Ko shouldn't be that good, Uvo spent years to perfect his BBI.

3- Well, Gon and Killua learned only Gyo. KP learned Ko and In, and the 6 months weren't only for these technics, he also materialized 5 very powerful chains, at least 3 of them can be used against any opponent(not only the spiders). He also learned to "controle" the emperor's time, he can go in and out of it at will(this will be said in the next few episodes). Not to mention the time he spent in looking for an adequate job, and in getting info about the spiders.

In my opinion, it should take KP at least a year per chain for him to use them that effitiently. Uvo for example, spent years perfecting his BBI.And as you'll see, Gon and Killua will spend too much time to improve there special attacks. KP, on the other hand, learned nen form 0, and mastered 5 special attacks in less than 6 months.

4- How come, someone as experienced as Uvo doesn't use Gyo in a serious fight. If he had used it, he wouldn't have been caught by the chain jail. At least not that easily.

noonealive said:


Exactly my point. Your resorting to the context of the story to explain your point. But when it comes to Kurpaiks skills...in your logic explanations mean nothing.

This is how you responded......So what explainations or not it's still a hax ability. I'm sorry to tell you but it's not a hax ability. He GREW up to use his eyes the way he does. I'll give you a hypothetical situation.

Say Kuarpika grew up the same way as Gon and never had any sort of dark past. Kurpika grows to become an enhancer just like Gon. When Gon gets emotional and mad his nen powers will be further amplified. When Kurapika gets emotional (Scarlet Eyes activated) his powers will be just as amplified. His eyes are completely insignificant in this scenario period. It's an emotional trigger instead of a Hax ability. I don't want to sound like a dick...it's just that he lived a life of revenge. His eyes trigger that revenge. Everytime he see's spiders his eyes light up. Thats my point.

None of what i'm saying contradicts nen or the story period. This topic isn't debatable at all. It's only debatable if you contradict the context of the story. Find a contradiction than i'll see your point.

meshimoon said:

...I still feel like we're using different definitions of "hax". Like I said before, I'm using it as just meaning "super-powerful compared to another" and just that. Reasons/justification doesn't have anything to do with the word, at least the way I use it. And since Kurapika was owning Uvo quite badly, I say his ability could be considered to be a bit hax.
If you mean hax as in "overpowered with not enough justification", then yeah, you might be "right", though I still believe that what is considered to be "enough" or "overpowered" is rather subjective.

And I never said I thought Kurapika's ability was hax, or not expounded on, yet if I'm reading your post correctly, it seems like you're saying that I did.

Mikasa said:


1. Size in the Hanzo case is related to Gon's body not being fully grown and not his agility. Besides, Hanzo's a ninja. And as I said there wasn't a moment where it was all about speed. Uvo kept himself at a distance too
2. Yea they compared its magnitude, but it's just a nen-infused punch, it doesn't REALLY explode on the spot. It deals damage and the results depend on what he's hitting.

3. I don't see how Gon not learning In indicates its difficulty and the time it requires. As I said Gyo took a few days, so can In. So basically he took 3 months for Nen overall as well as a week for In/Gyo and 3 additional months for his Hatsu.

I don't think he can control his eye, he's wearing the lenses for a reason: To hide them in case he sees a spider.

getting a job required only learning Nen, he went once before learning, and then after finishing it.
Finding the agency was before he started the six month training so it doesn't really count as part of that.

Based on what? Why would it take a year to conjure a single chain. KP would have a better time using Emission than waste a year on a lackey ability that requires such time and effort. Gon and Killua weren't learning day and night. They barely learn for a few weeks and then they do something else. KP's training was intensive.

4) Also KP fooled him into thinking it was a regular chain manipulated and not really a conjured chain that can be rendered invisible. So why would he even think of doing so? It tells you that KP succeeded in fooling him but it's not Uvo's fault.
It's like blaming L for :P

jlr2m said:




1- The episode clearly showed, that Uvo couldn't keep his eyes on KP, this is a fact. I didn't say that the fight was all about speed, I just said that KP shouldn't be able to have Uvo losing track on him.

2- You may be right, I just felt that the strongest attack of the strongest member of the ryodan shouldn't do that little damage to KP. Especialy, that KP learned nen just in 6 months.

3- KP's chain's are too powerful for a novice nen user. In the episode, Uvo had to dodge KP's dowsing chain, it means that it's more powerful than that super bazooka thing that barely scratched Uvo's hand.
I mean, KP should have spent much more time in perfecting his 5 special attacks to be that powerful. I gave a year for each Special attack as an example, and I'm based on Uvo spending years perfecting his BBI, and Gon and Killua spending months for one special attack, and these 3 people are supposed to be gifted nen users.
About the emperor's time, I couldn't find where I saw it, I'm wrong probably.

4- I think, an experienced fighter, especialy someone that have as much aura as Uvo, should use Gyo at least in the begining of every serious fight, whether he feels the nessecity or not. You may not agree, but when I saw Hisoka's fights, I said to myself that you must be a fool not to use Gyo in a nen fight.

ludexm said:


Gyo (凝 Focus) is an advanced application of Ren by which a Nen-user concentrates a larger than normal portion of their aura into one specific body part. Gyo increases the strength of that one body part, but leaves the rest of the body more vulnerable. Gyo is most often used in the eyes, allowing a Nen-user to see aura and things which would otherwise be hidden (e.g. Nen objects hidden by In).

As you can see on the description, it would be fatal if a nen user will use Gyo while in the battle. It is more logical to use Ken than Gyo. XDl

jlr2m said:


To my knowledge, In hidden objects cannot be seen just by using Ken.

TheDodo said:
Actually, I noticed some small inconsistency in the fight scene, maybe it s the translation that is bad but Kurapika told Uvo to use Gyo to see the chain or something. He could not have done that if the chain puts him in a state of Zetsu can he? I think that part is slightly wrong.

About Hax stuff:

TheDodo said:
Actually, I noticed some small inconsistency in the fight scene, maybe it s the translation that is bad but Kurapika told Uvo to use Gyo to see the chain or something. He could not have done that if the chain puts him in a state of Zetsu can he? I think that part is slightly wrong.

About Hax stuff:

Mikasa said:
@jlr2m

1) Kurapika kicked him in the face, by the time he got up, Kurapika had already snuck up on him, that's why. Still has nothing to do with speed itself.

3) Yes, it's made of Nen, powerful nen by an all-100% nen user, of course it's better than a bazooka, different type of damage of course, but more effective.

4) Why should he have used it at the start? Kurapika's chain was already out there...even if he did use it, there's nothing hidden. Since Kurapika wasn't using In back then. THAT is the plan.

jlr2m said:





1- Look at the top left panel, KP disapears and apears behind Uvo, which means tha Uvo's eyes couldn't keep up whith KP's speed.
And here, Uvo litteraly says, "you're quick!".

3- I don't get it. When KP is in Emperor time, is he using every nen type at 100%(in that case, he's the most powerful nen user in HxH), or does he just have the potential to use every nen type at 100% (which would just mean that he becomes a specialisation nen user).

4- If Uvo used gyo at the begining, he would have known tha KP uses 5 chains, and not only 4. And if during the fight, he starts seeing just 4, he would know that there is something wrong.

Mikasa said:

1. You're comparing a manga scene to the anime scene
And quick doesn't mean quicker, it could mean he underestimated him for all we know

2. He uses 100% of everything. That doesn't make him stronger. 100% means all of the skills that go under the category. Basically how efficient his (x) skills would be. If a conjurer is at lvl 100, he can only be a lvl 60 enhancer if he tried his best. Kurapika using 100% doesn't make him strongest. Basically assume he's lvl 10, instead of only being able to be lvl 6 enhancer, he can be lvl 10. But another enhancer who is at level 20 and mastered all the enhancement skills of enhancers, he can be level 20.

Example: A level 100 conjurer can be 60 enh. only, but at lvl 60 he is still stronger than Kurapika's level because despite knowing 100% of enhancement, his current level is just 10.
Sorry if I over-complicated things

4) Number of chains is irrelevant. Kurapika wasn't hiding any at the time. All 5 chains were present w/o using In. He can count them using normal eyes.

Rizzle said:
This episode was great! I really like the contrast in character; Uvo takes pleasure in the kill, but Kurapika feels disgusted even as he carries out his revenge.