Macross Frontier Episode 23 Discussion

kaminakun said:
Ranka's mom = hot = agree (well..at least much better than Ranka...in fact her mom looks a bit like Sheryl...with green hair)

Why is Sheryl crying at the end when she heard Alto say he'll kill Ranka??

kaminakun said:
sorry for my stupidity....who is Ransha Mei?

angel999 said:


Ransha Mei? Where did you hear that one?

angel999 said:


You know one answer that comes to me is probably cause she has feelings but that's about it. Anything else = to ????

kaminakun said:
taken from random curiosity

"...it probably hurts as well to overhear Alto say that everything he did (joining the SMS and fighting) was for Ranka and that he would kill Ranka if she were used as a tool of the Vajra (which Kuran thinks is a sign of his love) - things just can’t go right for her" (Sheryl in this case).

I guess that's why Sheryl cried at the end...damn Alto, u better shoot down Ranka and live your life out with Sheryl or I'll tear you apart

*getting more emotional here*
if the director is making ANOTHER Misa x Hikaru instead of Minmei x Hikaru, I swear I'll discard all the Macross series once and for all...god bless you Sheryl

kaminakun said:
Why is Sheryl crying at the end when she heard Alto say he'll kill Ranka??

Westlo said:


She heard part of his conversation with Klan which led her to believe that he loves Ranka and confirmed with herself that he is staying with her out of pity.

Sheryl talking to Luca "Don't pity me, I might take advantage of that kindness"

Now I guess you can say she was taking advantage of Alto's kindness earlier on.. in a way.

So than she overhears part of a conversation and she thinks to herself, I knew it he is staying with me out of pity. It's just a misunderstanding but unlike Ranka, Sheryl admirably pulled herself together very quickly.

Westlo said:
She refused to take the medicine pill this episode so her fold waves will be stronger against the Varja, in other words she's sacrificing herself for the Frontier fleet.

Westlo said:


She heard part of his conversation with Klan which led her to believe that he loves Ranka and confirmed with herself that he is staying with her out of pity.

angel999 said:


Ransha Mei? Where did you hear that one?

MelodyoftheStars said:
I think Alto won't end up with anyone now :(

the pills can only control the decease from spreading within her right (prolong her life a little?)

so at this rate she'll die faster?

does Alto really love Ranka more than Sheryl?

Westlo said:
Look you can foreshadow a characters death... but when it comes to Sheryl this is way overboard... I have a feeling Ranka connecting to the hivemind will somehow be a way for Sheryl to be cured, maybe the cells infecting her have on/off switches that she can turn off so the disease regresses?



Yes she'll die faster, the closer she gets to dying the stronger her foldwaves will become which will allow her to affect the Varja better so she can protect Frontier. It's Self-sacrifice.



I don't think so but we'll find out in 2 weeks time anyway, it's not uncommon for male leads to have feelings for both girls in the triangle, it's why they get so indecisive in the first place right? lol.

angel999 said:


I still believe Alto might do something to save Sheryl..self-sacrifice? Leon is damn dirty if he thinks like that. I hope for a MIRACLE.

At this rate I agree that Alto might lose both of them. The lesson in this case would be in caps: IF ONE CANNOT DECIDE UPON SOMETHING....ONE MAY LOSE BOTH THINGS!

sakuko said:
Sheryl is worth the sacrifice as long as Ranka dies.

Tixy said:
I am a Rankafag myself and I do not wish for Sheryl to die or anything I just wish for both of them to mature and realize that they don't need men to be happy, Ranka x Sheryl ending! Who's with me? XD

Tixy said:
Why does every Macross thread turn into bitching of Rankafags and Sherylfags? I for once want to say that the most annoying character in this story is Alto. He gets supported and loved by everyone for some unknown reason. He sucks almost as much as Makoto does. Notice how both of them were loved by everyone, made everyone believe they are nice guys but they are just attention whores XD Srsly, I had to watch 13 episodes of School Days which has no good plot but with Macross I have to watch 25 episode of good plot constantly getting screwed up by the male lead's crappyness. Instead of hating on Ranka or Sheryl just hate Alto cuz he already didn't pick your favorite after so much of her effort. God hate your favorite too for being so desperately in love with such a retard XD I am a Rankafag myself and I do not wish for Sheryl to die or anything I just wish for both of them to mature and realize that they don't need men to be happy, Ranka x Sheryl ending! Who's with me? XD

Also why would anyone hate Brera? Except if you are a dude and you had a very sexually explicit dream with him cuz of that suit he wears XD

BTW I saw Schooldays the whole thing RAW DVD. Sorry buddy but Alto IS WAY FAR from Makoto! Makoto can't fight jackshit! On top of that he is a piece of **** that I kill and eat for breakfast. Alto is WAY MORE CULTURED than Makoto.

We all hate Brera cause he is a asshole who let himself controlled by a BITCH NAMED GRACE.

Tixy said:


Yes it is true, Alto is better person then Makoto but like I mentioned School Days is a crap and all the characters in it as well while that is not the case with Frontier. For that reason I can kinda put them on a same level in my head.



He is a cyborg with no memories. I assume that he was near death and Grace saved him, gave him that robotic body and controls him. You can see as the story progresses how he starts acting on his own code. But now in the end he had no choice and got reprogrammed :( hope he doesn't die and regains his memories since he'll be fighting against Frontier army or whoever that was on a preview. Also you can say that Sheryl was somewhat controlled by Grace as well. I dunno, I really like Brera's character since he, unlike Alto, has focused most of his time on only one person and sworn to protect her. I think that's quite admirable. (closet fangirl XD)

kisami said:
i still think alto deserves to die more than ranka does. sheryl is just an unfortunate casulty.

whats with the brera angst...he was just a puppet till he heard ranka's song.

it seems humans justify genocide as a means to self preservation. wasnt it the early explorers that took advantage and ultimately destroyed the natives because they wanted the land in the new world? unfortunately even if we ever get ot the point of space colonization, this may very well be the pace of development. humans are quite despicable.

I just want to say that Brera was Ranka's brother and was human. YOU THINK that he really got transformed into a robot but reprogrammed---->that is true but also do not forget IT IS MANIPULATED BY GRACE. I would not be surprised even if Grace killed Ranka's mother cause she was in the way and did to Brera this control so that she does not have to kill him.

Bakayaro said:
Brera like Sheryl was likely on the verge of dying, Grace gave him a cyborg body since they were likely on Galaxy, which has no qualms about modifying people to disturbing lengths with cybernetics. Being a cyborg herself, she probably allowed some way to control/manipulate him through her own cybernetics.

Hell, no saying he even needed to consent to such actions. As we see in this episode, Brera launched Ranka off in a capsule as everything was being destroyed, likely by Grace's intentions. Brera was injured here, possibly blacked out, in a coma, something of the sort, who knows? Grace heads to Galaxy, fixes his ass up and voila, you have a cyborg at your control.

My opinion? In short, he can't control jack about what he wants to do, if Grace really wants him to do otherwise. He likely wasn't able to control anything until he heard Aimo by Ranka triggering some form of self-consciousness.

And to go with the other conversation, yeah, mankind has more or less always used genocide as a means of self preservation. It's barbaric, but really how much have we changed? We're young, stupid, and reckless as a species. Just like your 16 year old neighbor with angst out his ass who thinks he can take on the world. While I wouldn't call us despicable, I would say that we have a far ways to come. Fighting is just in our nature, it seems.

Tixy said:


Yeah all that could be very much possible but still I think that's the bigger reason to hate Grace and not Brera. Brera is just an innocent victim in all that. You cannot really say I hate Brera cuz he is controlled by Grace, it's all happening against his will. You can say that you hate him only if you didn't like the actions he did on his code.


Also forgot to add on my hate for Alto, whole this episode he made me believe that he has chosen Sheryl finally, which made me happy cuz I hoped for Ranka x Brera ending, entirely denying the obvious fact that they are brother and sister XD So yeah whole episode he finally gives off the impression that he's dating Sheryl and doesn't want to leave her side but then plot tweest >.> He wants to kill Ranka and you might argue with me but from what I saw it all looks like he wants to do it cuz he has finally decided that he loves her. So now, Alto has decided on Ranka but don't get your hopes too high Alto x Ranka believers, cuz god knows how much more times he'll change his mind in the last 2 episodes. Hell, I bet he'll even try to comfort Klan cuz of her loss for Michael.

Westlo said:
She refused to take the medicine pill this episode so her fold waves will be stronger against the Varja, in other words she's sacrificing herself for the Frontier fleet.

kaminakun said:
so what is the entire conversation about then if she only heard "part" of it....or more precisely...does Alto really love Ranka more than Sheryl?

angel999 said:
I can't believe what I just understood when I watched the subbed version. The Vajra being a race that exits as a bacteria class withing the fold waves and it uses this fold waves as a network to communicate through the intestines??? That sounds really sick! Another reason why they should be exterminated!

I was trying to stay away from Macross Frontier thread ever since angel999 became obssessed with this series, but that's it, it can't hold back how LOL I am after reading this thread.

This is not personal but angel999, don't you find yourself too busy to read every single post in this thread. I think you basically scared away any members who had a different opinion from you...

wakka9ca said:


First of all, individual Vajra are not bacterias, they are more like synapses of a neural network. In other words, the Vajra race as a whole is one big conscious "entity", using fold quartz as way of communication. I was trying to stay away from Macross Frontier thread ever since angel999 became obssessed with this series, but that's it, it can't hold back how LOL I am after reading this thread.

This is not personal but angel999, don't you find yourself too busy to read every single post in this thread. I think you basically scared away any members who had a different opinion from you...

Seriously, "exterminate them" because their anatomy makes you sick? What kind of viable reason is that? Most of your posts are full of ranting and YELLING (not to mention that you are behaving immaturally...the fact that you didn't even understand how the Vajra worked is proof enough of that...basically, you hate them even though you didn't understand anything about them...way to go...).

Also, no matter how you hate the Vajras, the humans are AS despicable than them (actually MORE). We still don't know the real motive behind the Vajras (we can't trust the propaganda) while we sorta already know the motive behind humans: exterminate the Vajra in order to TAKE THEIR FOLD QUARTZ from their body. You may argue that it is necessary for the survival of humankind... Wrong: fold quartz is a big breakthrough BUT is it worth the price of annihilating a whole race AND sacrificing many many of your own to get it???? (I mean COME ON, WHO in the right mind would send the WHOLE colony into the enemy's homeworld???)Fold quartz is NOT an essential need. In a sense, the Vajras only wanted to kill the humans as a self-defense.

Also, we mentionned that Ranka is the LINK between humans and Vajras. Who said that this link will only destroy the human race. Who knows, maybe there is still a possibility of coexistence (Imagine if every human can produce fold quartz)

And yes, Alto is one of those annoying characters (much much more annoying than Ranka)

That's it, I don't think I will reply anymore.
*avoids you next time I see you*