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| I've been thinking about starting a study on Japan. Not only the language but the whole assets including; culture, religions, language, writing, art etc. - I'm not sure if I would start this though since it will be a big step in my life (need to quit work and move to other side of the country to study Japanese). Therefor I planned a vacation to Japan first. I didn't actually set anything up yet, but I'm thinking about 2 weeks (1st week Tokyo, then move by train to 2nd week in Kyoto) and taste the culture there myself. I'm interested in self-study also and I might get a self-study pack in my own language (which is Dutch) and see if I can work out some basics before I go to Japan and/or study. I already have a travelguide for Japan with most used terms like 'My name is...' 'Where is the busstation' etc. Also includes alot of loose words and even numbers. I'm currently reading up on that (mostly Tokyo/Kyoto and the island Hokkaidō). |
| ★♥ マイケル ♥★ "If you obey the rules - You miss all the fun" [Kumashiro Maya]  |
| going to Japan for immersion is cool :D (among other things :P) Which self-study pack specifically do you use? Is it only in Dutch or other languages? lol@travelguides. it's only used for travellers, not those who really want to learn the language. They don't quite cover the basics of Japanese, just tell you what to say in travellers' everyday encounters. Anyway, if you haven't started to learn Japanese yet and if you want to visit Japan, I highly suggest, at the very minimum, to learn katakana first, then hiragana, before going there. |
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| The self-study pack is in Dutch and Japanese. Just learning the basics of the language. Didnt get it yet and I'm only considering on getting that before I do anything else. I dont really use the travelguide for study though. Mainly use it to get some background information on things in Japan, like shops, restaurants and other sight seeing spots. It's quite helpful in that way. In NOT trying to learn the language just by that book. I havent started any study, like I said. I'm picking up stuff from animé and movies I watch (which I do regular) and try to catch up on some things via the internet. That's why I consider taking the self-study pack to get the basics of katakana and probably kanji. I'll go to Japan anyway. If I get to know some basics or not. I'm pretty sure I'll get by with my English. If not, then it'll be a good experience anyway. Just to be among the native people and their everyday habbits. You know, get a look at the culture and lifestyle. |
| ★♥ マイケル ♥★ "If you obey the rules - You miss all the fun" [Kumashiro Maya] |
| Well, first I want to clear one thing up. I dont plan on quiting my job to go to Japan. I was thinking about a study here in the Netherlands, which would require me to stop working and find a new job. This is due to the fact that the school is 250/300KM away from where I live at this moment. With that cleared. I would really love to study abroad through an institution, but I didnt actually searched for that option yet. Havent really gotten my hands on anything really. I was only thinking about it since I'm kinda 'stuck in life' and want to start something new. Considered a couple of options and thusfar it seems like studying Japanese is the best option for me. That's why I asked advise when it came to studies and such. And like I just said; studying through an institution abroad sounds like a real good idea and I'll have a look into it as soon as I get some time off (which will be 'round summertime). Also: I'm going to Japan on vacation this year and I was thinking about going to Tokyo for 2 weeks. Then I figured I wanted to see more of Japan while I was there and thought I could do a 1/1 vacation. 1st week Tokyo, 2nd week Kyoto - or something like that. I'll go to the travelagency this weekend to figure everything out. It will be my first time to Japan - so I'm quite excited! |
| ★♥ マイケル ♥★ "If you obey the rules - You miss all the fun" [Kumashiro Maya] |
| Hello there, I have a small problem and I need help with it :) I got a sentence like this -> この小さな村の教会に一人の牧師がやって来た。 also some anime titles has something like -> イタズラ な Kiss My question is : What is the function of な in these sentences ? I'm almost sure that in each example this な is making an adjective from word before, but why is it used like that ? |
| Indeed it is part of an adjective. The な particle is only used with these kinds of adjectives though. In your first example, the な is actually part of the word 「小さな」 meaning small. Quick explanation of な-adjectives: The な particle is only actually used in a sentence when the adjective comes before the noun that it's describing. Example: 大切な本 (たいせつなほん - important book) Other than that, it's just left out, and instead replaced bu the word です. Example: この本は大切です (このほんはたいせつです - this book is important) |
| But 「ちいさい」 is い-adjective not な-adjective in it's basic form, that's why i'm curious why sentence up was writing with using な instead of い. I'm sure that both means the same "small" but there must be still a difference between basic form and this な-form adjective. also i don't think it have something with なんで and なので, but i read those pages and i think in second example it will be used for sure to stick noun-adjective word as an adjective with noun @down Ups,I corrected my mistake with long vowel :) |
kurizuJan 25, 2009 5:52 AM
| It's because they're 2 different adjectives: chiisai and chiisana . those long vowels are just... killersometimes. It took me a while to find out baai was 場合 because I thought it was bai and i kept looking it up and it wasn't there.... chiisai IS i-adjective chiisana is chiisana, it's not -na adjective in the sense you don't attach na, it just is chiisana. There's no such thing as chiisa.. so it would be chiisana koe, etc. It's as jisho.org says "Pre-noun adjectival" so I don't think you can say chiisana da (googled it) so it's not like na-adjective in that sense. you only use it to describe nouns.. jisho says something |
midori-Jan 25, 2009 7:34 AM
 今はどんでん返しの時代ではない★너와 함께 했던 일상은 어느샌가 작은 영화속 풍경이되고 ☆ |
| I solved this problem after reading midori-'s post, That was what i have in mind from the beginning, anyway thanks all who answered my question here :) |
Reindal said: The self-study pack is in Dutch and Japanese. Just learning the basics of the language. Didnt get it yet and I'm only considering on getting that before I do anything else. I dont really use the travelguide for study though. Mainly use it to get some background information on things in Japan, like shops, restaurants and other sight seeing spots. It's quite helpful in that way. In NOT trying to learn the language just by that book. I havent started any study, like I said. I'm picking up stuff from animé and movies I watch (which I do regular) and try to catch up on some things via the internet. That's why I consider taking the self-study pack to get the basics of katakana and probably kanji. I'll go to Japan anyway. If I get to know some basics or not. I'm pretty sure I'll get by with my English. If not, then it'll be a good experience anyway. Just to be among the native people and their everyday habbits. You know, get a look at the culture and lifestyle. I think you really shouldn't learn alot of language from anime because they dont talk like real people...if you talked to someone in japan saying something like the person from anime would say, they'd look at you like... "wtf?" even if it was a normal every-day sentence. i guess you could use a couple words just not the way they sound ^___^ |
Zealous said: I don't see what the fuss is about really. I mean, all you have to do is learn to use these things on a case by case basis. This is the important part. A lot of people confuse themselves with these grammar issues, when in the first place, grammar study does not have the capacity to teach you appropriate, fluent, and natural language use. You can not learn to speak correctly by studying or arguing over grammar. It simply will not happen, and natural speech wanders beyond grammar lines. As was said, you have to learn this on a case-by-case basis. I'm not even going to offer any input on the grammar aspect. Here are some examples that I thought up: 「この小さな星を見て」 「星が小さくて見えない」 「小さいから見えないのか？」 Can I tell you why I use them the way I do? No. But it feels natural. That's all that matters (once you get to the point that things do and do not feel natural), and you can't replace it with grammar knowledge. Doesn't mean my Japanese is perfect (I still lack the exposure to be to that point), but given enough time, it will eventually make the difference between foreigner Japanese and fluent, natural Japanese. It doesn't mean you can't study grammar, it means that grammar is a tool with which to consciously understand the format of a language, not a tool with which to speak it. It could be 小さな声, it could be 声が小さい, depending on the context. Context is key. For example, I might say 小さな声 if I were saying 彼女は、小さな声でそう言った I might say 声が小さい if I were saying 彼女の声が小さいので、よく聞いて下さい |
hikkyAug 15, 2009 6:05 PM
Zealous said: Lol, I think I'm missing something. I'm not really sure why there's any kind of debate. Unless this is going back to January. o_O Oh yeah, sorry about that. Easy to miss that since there's not a lot of constant activity on the club forums. |
| How would you say something like this in Japanese: I am excited to be working with you this year. Please type in romaji (my computer can't read Japanese anymore thanks to not having the Asian Language package on my computer). |
| I know this is a big request, but I am really desperate for help! I was wondering, could anyone please write what Miku says in the following video, in Japanese. I realize that the video is already subtitled in English, but what I really need is some of the things he says written down in Japanese, for me to read. He speaks too fast for me to pick up most of the words.... Even basic dot points would be very helpful! I would be very grateful if someone help me with this..! >_< |
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bubica said: in the following video, in Japanese. what video? link plz :D |
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| LOL. xD That'd be a very good idea firebound~ Link It drove me insane... -_-" Lol, sorry if you don't like Visual Kei; but I need I'll need to learn the vocabulary from it for an assignment. But it doesn't help if I can't pick up any vocab.. >_<" |
bubicaApr 26, 2010 9:55 PM
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| I'm not sure if you might know this, but the in the Japanese Zen teaching., there is such a thing as 'Mu'. It is 'nothingness' and negative. Here is more information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_negative Erm, please put brackets outside the word 'negative' in the url, because brackets won't show up as part of the link... I really want to know what the opposite of 'Mu' is. Well, I know it is 'something' and positive, but what is the name for it? Does anyone know? Thank you. |
thewhiteseaApr 28, 2010 2:26 AM
Hi, I've been trying to translate a song, but I'm stuck on one character :/ Please someone help me! |
| 飛 ひ. means flying like in airplane (飛行機) |
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| Thank you so much for the help :D |
krzysztofskorek said: Hi! everyone, does anybody know what does it mean ppe? Like they call Yuri in angel beats, yurippe, or Giroro, in Keroro gunsou giroppe (in one episode)... also "yan", is it some kind of dialect? -ppe is just an attachment that friends put at the end of each other's names which creates a new nickname of sorts. There's a number of them which are common such as -ppe, -tan, -rin, -pyon, etc. As far as dialects go, yan is usually used in the southern Kansai region around Wakayama prefecture as a negative verb ending. All I can tell you about that I'm afraid. |
| Hello can I get help on what does genki odashite mean? |
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| 元気を出して （げんきをだして, genki o dashite） It means "cheer up!" :)!! also a short version: 元気出して！ (げんきだして, genki dashite) |
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| Does anybody perhaps have an idea, what 分かたる might mean? It doesn't appear in any of the online dictionaries of my knowledge. (wadoku.de, jisho.org, http://www.onlinedic.com, http://www.dictionnaire-japonais.com) nor in any hardcopy dictionary I have. The word comes of from this phrase: 星霜を積むし、長き旅のはて辿り着いた地は、遠く分かたれて It's from the front page of the 70th chapter of the manga series "Nabari no Ou". The author sometimes uses rather antique words, it would not surprise me, if this is the case again. Hovering over 分かたれて with PeraPerakun gives me, that it is passive and te-form of 分かつ (to divide, to separate, to distinguish). Not too sure, how to put that into the above phrase. My guess was bit like this: Anyway, my initial thought was, that the form would come from 分かたる. And I somehow would like to know, what it means. Google finds me 分かたる about 500 times. It does seem to exist somehow, through not very common. . My guesses upon the results is, that it goes pretty close to the direction of "to seperate"? (Or are all of them typos of 別れる?) |
Luna needs some space~ Luna's Sales List~ (German Version) Luna's Search & Sale pile (English Version) |
| what is utskie mean? i dont know if its love or like and also what is liar/lying said in japanese. |
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| Usotsuki 嘘つき うそつき -> liar Suki 好き すき -> Like/love |
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| I use one of those square page notebook myself :) As for practicing hiragana, the most important thing is just to write it out with a paper and pen. Doesn't matter if it's square or not, but I guess writing in a constricted space might help you at the beginning. So sure, go ahead and write :D |
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| I advise writing all Japanese characters in squares; their notebooks are arranged that way. If you have a standard (0.5cmx0.5cm) squared notebook, writing them in areas 2 by 2 squares is great practice. |
| God sure is cruel, sometimes he makes you live. Gather some leaves of Japanese. |
| So, I just started my first Japanese course last week, and we're starting to get into learning hiragana. I don't have a problem with writing it, but I'm having a bit of a problem memorizing them. :/ Does anyone know any methods I could use to help me with this...? Edit: Haha...oops. I just realized that the question above me was a bit similar to mine. |
| Ajatt have evolved since the last time I saw it... so I don't know much. Anyway, the whole reason we follow some of the principles of AJATT is the fact that it's free and fun. If you're confused about the specific steps, here is the overall plan: 1. hiragana and katakana (AJATT says Kanji first, but I actually like starting with hiragana and katakana because you can read mangas right away). 2. KANJI with RTK (Remembering the Kanji vol 1 - meaning and writing). This is really what helped me learn Japanese much much faster. It might look completely useless at first, but when you finish it... it's magic :) More concretely, you remove all fear of kanjis, you can guess MUCH easier (trust me, this is the biggest advantage) and it can help you memorize new kanjis, among many things. If you don't really like the stories on RTK, you can go on http://kanji.koohii.com to get stories from others :) 3. SENTENCE: Now that Kanji is pass (you still have to how to read them). Use an SRS to put sentences you like, review them and especially don't overdo it. It burns. 4. EXPLORE: Seriously, do what you like IN JAPANESE. You like manga? read them! you like anime? watch them! you like japanese blogs? go surf on them! You like chatting with people? extend your network. You like writing Japanese? I recommend Lang-8 so that other people can correct your journals :) |
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