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Nov 30, 2011 6:34 AM

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Freak_On_A_Leash said:
After reading this, I can only say one thing.


Have never payed for any anime I watched, manga I read or game I played and I don't think that I ever will.


I approve of this post.
Nov 30, 2011 6:50 AM

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I rather spend the money on BDs and merchandise, I don't want to spend a cent just to watch a currently airing show, if I like a show I buy it on BD/DVD when it finishes airing either from importing if no chance of licensing or when it hits the US if it gets licensed here. Manga on the other hand it depends, if it's like what happened with Dog Days with manga coming after the anime, I already liked the series and bought BDs when I heard about the 2 manga, I will buy the manga as well because it's a guarantee I'll like it as well, if it's from an author I like (Sakurako Kimino for example), I'll buy volumes without reading a scan if I found the synopsis to be decent or fun otherwise I need scans (raw or otherwise) at the least to determine if it's worth the buy.


Nov 30, 2011 7:14 AM

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Viking1337 said:
F**k them :) and leave my anime alone

That's right! :(
Leave my Kotonoha alone and let me rewatch School Days another million times xD

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Nov 30, 2011 7:30 AM

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Gaichi said:
Viking1337 said:
F**k them :) and leave my anime alone

That's right! :(
Leave my Kotonoha alone and let me rewatch School Days another million times xD

That's why you download all your anime and save it on a hard drive! So you watch school days as much as you want! =D

"I like to expose what people hide. I'm an intellectual rapist." - Furudo Erika
Nov 30, 2011 7:35 AM

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DarkShards said:
Gaichi said:
Viking1337 said:
F**k them :) and leave my anime alone

That's right! :(
Leave my Kotonoha alone and let me rewatch School Days another million times xD

That's why you download all your anime and save it on a hard drive! So you watch school days as much as you want! =D

Blah blah :D
Hard drive is limited and it's for other anime that I haven't watched yet :/
Rewatch can be done even without 720p :P

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Nov 30, 2011 7:38 AM

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Gaichi said:
Leave Otsdarva's Kotonoha alone and let him rewatch School Days another million times xD


Jeez, Gaichi. You really typo'd that post. Luckily I was there to correct fix it for you. :)
Nov 30, 2011 7:50 AM

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If it actually happens,then there will probably be a lot more Anonymous groups or perhaps 4Chan itself will try and crash a few major websites down like they did last time.
Nov 30, 2011 7:56 AM

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DarkShards said:
Gaichi said:
Viking1337 said:
F**k them :) and leave my anime alone

That's right! :(
Leave my Kotonoha alone and let me rewatch School Days another million times xD

That's why you download all your anime and save it on a hard drive! So you watch school days as much as you want! =D
School Days is on the 100% legal CrunchyRoll anyway. Even if the law did pass, Gaichi could still watch School Days another million times.
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Nov 30, 2011 8:03 AM

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ap19 said:
120 eps of Bleach in one day fixed.


If each episode is 20 mins long, you can only watch 72 episodes in a single day.

If you skip the recaps the episode may be 15 mins long, but still you can only watch 96 episodes in a single day.
Nov 30, 2011 10:19 AM
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It's a thought that maybe it could occured, but highly doubt that everything and anything is out on the internet if they want to censor just block a site intsead putting the internet on lock-down. Internet is the biggest technology today I high-doubt they'd ruin that for us citizens, and simple folk.

Nov 30, 2011 10:37 AM

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ap19 said:
I was just amused by such cultural differences, and whether the people who are indeed complaining have a notion that they're supposed to feel even the slightest hint of guilt for watching anime illegitimately, in a way that the creators don't get the respect they deserve.
You're supposed to pay for anime, like you would pay for any other merchandise.


Prove people are supposed to feel guilt for downloading and are supposed to pay.



This won't pass. Hell this was already blocked by Wyland before. They'll keep trying until they finally give up because it will never pass.
Nov 30, 2011 10:53 AM

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jkun said:
If each episode is 20 mins long, you can only watch 72 episodes in a single day.

If you skip the recaps the episode may be 15 mins long, but still you can only watch 96 episodes in a single day.
Well still, it's Bleach we're talking about. I'm pretty sure you could play the episodes at double speed or more and still understand perfectly what's going on.
Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM

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"The bill is on the senate level, lets act quickly before its too late"

lol you really think you're going to change anything?

lmao they don't give a fuck about your freedom the same way Bush didn't give a shit about the UN (United nations) when attacking Irak.

Here's a pic from the illuminati card game made in the 90's.
Go figure.




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Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM

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Cjizzle said:
Here's a pic from the illuminati card game made in the 90's.
Go figure.




So, what, card games predict the future?
According to Magic TCG we've got some pretty spectacular shit ahead then.
Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM

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Drunk_Samurai said:
ap19 said:
I was just amused by such cultural differences, and whether the people who are indeed complaining have a notion that they're supposed to feel even the slightest hint of guilt for watching anime illegitimately, in a way that the creators don't get the respect they deserve.
You're supposed to pay for anime, like you would pay for any other merchandise.


Prove people are supposed to feel guilt for downloading and are supposed to pay.



This won't pass. Hell this was already blocked by Wyland before. They'll keep trying until they finally give up because it will never pass.


Since when has free speech been a concern for government?
Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM

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Baman said:
Cjizzle said:
Here's a pic from the illuminati card game made in the 90's.
Go figure.




So, what, card games predict the future?
According to Magic TCG we've got some pretty spectacular shit ahead then.


What if someone wanted you- me - us to know what was going to happen in the future.

If you want to make it sound funnier, please talk about Tin foil hats . ;D

But you're right, there is no propaganda in music, movies and video games, we are living in a perfect world with perfect peoples and perfect politicians.
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Cjizzle said:
Baman said:
So, what, card games predict the future?
According to Magic TCG we've got some pretty spectacular shit ahead then.

If you want to make it sound funnier, please talk about Tin foil hats . ;D


I don't know, I thought it was funny enough to laugh out loud.
Nov 30, 2011 3:12 PM

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But you're right, there is no propaganda in music, movies and video games, we are living in a perfect world with perfect peoples and perfect politicians.
If you seriously believe any or every government has any chance whatsoever to influence the content of all the music, games and movies made by countless people all over the world, to the point of putting propaganda in it then I don't know what to say, even tinfoil hats aren't funny enough.
Globalization and internet automatically kills any hope of a government controlling anything on such a scale, unless it's a case like a crazy rogue isolationist state like North Korea. Conspiracies are fun and all, but come on, they only go so far until they lose any connection with realty.
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Freak_On_A_Leash said:
After reading this, I can only say one thing.


Have never payed for any anime I watched, manga I read or game I played and I don't think that I ever will.


Haha, nice. I second that.
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If you are that worried then I suggest stockpiling some anime.

Stock up on porn as well
Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM
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jkun said:
ap19 said:
120 eps of Bleach in one day fixed.


If each episode is 20 mins long, you can only watch 72 episodes in a single day.

If you skip the recaps the episode may be 15 mins long, but still you can only watch 96 episodes in a single day.


dont forget to skip the opening and credits :P

nowadays there only about 16 minutes of actual bleach =\

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thank god i don't live in america



and sadface :(
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Freak_On_A_Leash said:
After reading this, I can only say one thing.


Have never payed for any anime I watched, manga I read or game I played and I don't think that I ever will.


This.
And since when did people give a fuck about what the goverment says?
Dec 1, 2011 1:51 AM

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Japan police is busy arresting uploaders. (both stream and p2p)
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Baman said:
Cjizzle said:
But you're right, there is no propaganda in music, movies and video games, we are living in a perfect world with perfect peoples and perfect politicians.
If you seriously believe any or every government has any chance whatsoever to influence the content of all the music, games and movies made by countless people all over the world, to the point of putting propaganda in it then I don't know what to say, even tinfoil hats aren't funny enough.
Globalization and internet automatically kills any hope of a government controlling anything on such a scale, unless it's a case like a crazy rogue isolationist state like North Korea. Conspiracies are fun and all, but come on, they only go so far until they lose any connection with realty.


I just read nonsense, i will not discuss with you anymore, you are clearly misinformed or you don't have any will or motivation to seek for the truth. It's like you're blind and deaf.
Dec 1, 2011 3:52 AM

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Freak_On_A_Leash said:
After reading this, I can only say one thing.


Have never payed for any anime I watched, manga I read or game I played and I don't think that I ever will.
lol hell yea i'm with you on this one
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Dec 1, 2011 3:58 AM

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Just a quick question to the thread... what is the difference between Dexter (Dexter Morgan) and an anime show?

One is a common TV show, live drama, and the other is an animation that is largely a drawn creation.

One is a program originating from an English language source, the other a program originating from a Japanese language source.

Both have aired to TV, both can end up popular enough to generate a DVD release to the market.

Now, I don't mind watching Dexter for 'free', so why should I mind watching the anime show for 'free?
Thing is, I can't really watch either for 'free' technically. Because I had to turn on something, that is a device using electricity, which I had to pay for. The device had to be bought originally. The device likely goes on to a service be it cable or via the internet which is either cable satellite or dsl. And internet service is not free.

In the end, there is no such thing as watching anything actually totally free. But, there will always be those that will complain THEY didn't get enough share of the pie that is your money.

So I turn on my computer, and I go on to Crunchyroll and I watch the latest Squid Girl episode and it 'seems' like I got it for free. Nope. Even though I never opened my wallet seemingly, it still cost me a bit of my monthly bandwidth, and I still had to pay my ISP bill that month. But, whomever makes the series Squid Girl (I am not so curious as to know this second who does), will not have made a cent off of my choice to watch it.

It doesn't mean I have failed the creator of the show. I never robbed them of income. It's not illegal in any fashion conceivable to watch Crunchyroll even for free providing I am ok waiting the extra duration for the episode.

Now that doesn't stop nations from getting in a snit and unilaterally declaring the owners of Crunchyroll are illegal, even though they are not an illegal service. Nations enact laws all the time, that to other parts of the planet are complete bullshit. Just because something becomes laws in nation A, doesn't mean nation B has to give a flying fuck.
Of course, if nation A is a super power and has nuclear carriers crawling with firepower and tells nation B it's doing it their way of the defense industry will shortly be getting contracts to replace a lot of hardware that was just expended to force a point.....

Fortunately I'm Canadian, and I don't need to worry about ever being an nation B example.
Because although we don't have nuclear carriers here, we do have a lot of resources that could simply be turned off. Things like hydro, water, lumber, wheat, meat, dairy the list just goes on and on. Sometimes one's economy can be a real vulnerability.

The US CAN write just about any fucking brain dead laws it wants. And they actually DO get the occasional bread dead law written. It doesn't mean it WILL mean something to anyone elsewhere on the planet. But occasionally another country will decide 'hey we like that law idea, I think we'll do that one here too'. The thing is, the legal code of country A is still not the legal code of country B, and even if country A and country B supposedly write the same law, it still will get applied differently in both countries even if it's still ostensibly the same law on the surface.

Everyone still following me?

There are a lot of things totally illegal in the US, that are simply not illegal in Canada. Yes I realize it occasionally totally freaks them out in the US.

You know how you often see the quote that says in some fashion, ya can't make a copy of this, blah blah blah etc etc etc. In Canada, you can, the Canadian government says we can if we own the original. So if you buy such and such digital data based product, and you decide, well this cost me 100 bucks, and it comes on a disk and if anything were to happen to it, I'd be out a 100 dollar product, so I better make a back up and store the original and just use the back up, because ya know, shit does happen, like just last week I got a scratch on this game I was playing and it won't run now, so I need to make a new back up of that game too.

Even though the original product, maybe manufactured in the US and the agreement written on the basis of US law says it can't be copied, the thing is, in Canada I don't need to give a fuck.

And THAT is why even though they might finally get some kooky fucking law written down in the US, it might well be that no one outside of the US really needs to care. Especially if it concerns a product that doesn't even come from the US to begin with.

If it makes it so a lot of services suddenly can't operate in the US, it might only ensure a lot of services in the US go out of business if they stay in the US. If suddenly no one can use their Mastercard to buy stuff because Mastercard is in the US, then I suspect Mastercard better get their ass out of the US or it runs the risk of bleeding profits suddenly very rapidly eh. Either that, or credit cards not based in the US suddenly gain a lot of attention. If tomorrow Netflix was no longer able to function, I can assure you someone will shortly be setting up a new service outside of the US. You don't really think anyone is going to abandon all of that money to be made on people wanting the service that was lost eh.

Because this bill WILL start costing a lot of companies a lot of cash, and jobs too. It won't be making the creators more cash though, that is the sad reality that seems lost on the writers of these moronic laws.
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At least I can go see her in concert.
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I knew that I'd see at least a few posts alluding to the 'erosion of free speech' at the hands of corporate monsters desperate to cling to 'outdated copyright principles'. But, surely we can all agree that an unlimited right to freedom of speech is simply unworkable? The moment one's exercise of freedom of speech leads to a negative impact on the exercise of someone else's rights, then surely it must be curtailed. (and please don't say, there's no right not to be offended - there have to be limits)

Taking this into consideration, we should apply it to the scenario before us; are the corporate bodies negatively affected when we (for example) illegally stream/download anime rather than buying it from them? There are arguments that streaming anime increases the size of the community etc, but ultimately all benefits gained for the companies rest upon some people actually choosing to buy anime after being introduced to its culture rather than continuing to stream it ad infinitum.

If everyone chose not to buy anime, then there would be an impact to the US companies (at least - I presume Japanese companies get some money from ads etc) who rely upon the sales of DVDs for their profit. i.e. there is a negative effect upon their (corporate) person when people choose not to purchase anime they watch. This argument tends to unravel when considering people who are streaming currently airing anime, but considering Crunchyroll etc stream them then they are being negatively affected because part of their target market is seeking alternative options with no considerable disadvantage.

Does this mean, therefore, that I am for such legislation (if it were introduced in my country)? Heck no - I want to continue downloading my free anime. However, this is not because I'm claiming some civil-liberties-oriented moral high ground over the companies seeking to enforce such legislation; I know full-well that my actions are detrimental to them and wish to continue such a course of action.
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Cjizzle said:
Baman said:
Cjizzle said:
But you're right, there is no propaganda in music, movies and video games, we are living in a perfect world with perfect peoples and perfect politicians.
If you seriously believe any or every government has any chance whatsoever to influence the content of all the music, games and movies made by countless people all over the world, to the point of putting propaganda in it then I don't know what to say, even tinfoil hats aren't funny enough.
Globalization and internet automatically kills any hope of a government controlling anything on such a scale, unless it's a case like a crazy rogue isolationist state like North Korea. Conspiracies are fun and all, but come on, they only go so far until they lose any connection with realty.


I just read nonsense, i will not discuss with you anymore, you are clearly misinformed or you don't have any will or motivation to seek for the truth. It's like you're blind and deaf.


I laughed so goddamn hard. Keep it up. Baman is 100x smarter than you.

Jack_Rav said:
I knew that I'd see at least a few posts alluding to the 'erosion of free speech' at the hands of corporate monsters desperate to cling to 'outdated copyright principles'. But, surely we can all agree that an unlimited right to freedom of speech is simply unworkable? The moment one's exercise of freedom of speech leads to a negative impact on the exercise of someone else's rights, then surely it must be curtailed. (and please don't say, there's no right not to be offended - there have to be limits)

Taking this into consideration, we should apply it to the scenario before us; are the corporate bodies negatively affected when we (for example) illegally stream/download anime rather than buying it from them? There are arguments that streaming anime increases the size of the community etc, but ultimately all benefits gained for the companies rest upon some people actually choosing to buy anime after being introduced to its culture rather than continuing to stream it ad infinitum.

If everyone chose not to buy anime, then there would be an impact to the US companies (at least - I presume Japanese companies get some money from ads etc) who rely upon the sales of DVDs for their profit. i.e. there is a negative effect upon their (corporate) person when people choose not to purchase anime they watch. This argument tends to unravel when considering people who are streaming currently airing anime, but considering Crunchyroll etc stream them then they are being negatively affected because part of their target market is seeking alternative options with no considerable disadvantage.

Does this mean, therefore, that I am for such legislation (if it were introduced in my country)? Heck no - I want to continue downloading my free anime. However, this is not because I'm claiming some civil-liberties-oriented moral high ground over the companies seeking to enforce such legislation; I know full-well that my actions are detrimental to them and wish to continue such a course of action.


Freedom of speech however does not go far enough. People are too damn sue happy if somebody says anything negative at all. Also you're going to have to prove downloading something for free is harmful to the companies.
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and yes the fact that people watching free anime does make the community grow bigger, the problem is if people are watching free anime from illegal sites it does NOT help business, instead of buying the DVD which the company makes profit off of they watch it on streaming sites, which means NO profit from selling the manga books or DVDs. maybe merchandise but they aren't getting profit on their main goal they worked so hard on to produce.
I know there is anime we can't buy here so its tempting I'll admit I do it too..
however instead of complaining
that how the manga authors, and anime producers feel putting hours of hard tiring work into their series, only to have it illegaly streamed and downloaded
sure its nice to earn a big fandom group, however its also their job and they are losing money you know.

well ive heard that outside of japan they earn the most cash from the merchendice from linked to the serie and not from the show itself.
also, if i hwould have to pay for all my anime/manga i wouldent watch/read any, but since its free i buy a it when i really like it, so anime as a whole have earned more from me by being "free" than it would if it had not.
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Cjizzle said:
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Cjizzle said:
But you're right, there is no propaganda in music, movies and video games, we are living in a perfect world with perfect peoples and perfect politicians.
If you seriously believe any or every government has any chance whatsoever to influence the content of all the music, games and movies made by countless people all over the world, to the point of putting propaganda in it then I don't know what to say, even tinfoil hats aren't funny enough.
Globalization and internet automatically kills any hope of a government controlling anything on such a scale, unless it's a case like a crazy rogue isolationist state like North Korea. Conspiracies are fun and all, but come on, they only go so far until they lose any connection with realty.


I just read nonsense, i will not discuss with you anymore, you are clearly misinformed or you don't have any will or motivation to seek for the truth. It's like you're blind and deaf.


haha u just diddent understood what baman said, and dont know what to reply.
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you know its not just anime that will be effected. from what i understand just making a cover version of a song and putting it up on youtube can get you arrested for violating copyright. this goes way beyond anime.
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you know its not just anime that will be effected. from what i understand just making a cover version of a song and putting it up on youtube can get you arrested for violating copyright. this goes way beyond anime.
I seriously doubt that would ever happen though. A youtube cover song usually includes references to the original, and so long as you're not raking in serious cash without the original label's permission, why would they even care?
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Baman said:
gswelcome said:
you know its not just anime that will be effected. from what i understand just making a cover version of a song and putting it up on youtube can get you arrested for violating copyright. this goes way beyond anime.
I seriously doubt that would ever happen though. A youtube cover song usually includes references to the original, and so long as you're not raking in serious cash without the original label's permission, why would they even care?


I'm not going to underestimate how anal a record company or movie studio can be given the "examples" that are sometimes made like arresting teenagers for downloading songs from Limewire. Besides, this law gives government a bigger foot in the door to censor and control the internet.
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Also you're going to have to prove downloading something for free is harmful to the companies.

I addressed this in my post...
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Baman said:
gswelcome said:
you know its not just anime that will be effected. from what i understand just making a cover version of a song and putting it up on youtube can get you arrested for violating copyright. this goes way beyond anime.
I seriously doubt that would ever happen though. A youtube cover song usually includes references to the original, and so long as you're not raking in serious cash without the original label's permission, why would they even care?


this is why there's a lot of wrong decisions made in US right now,People think the bill will win, they think it'll lose but they never take the time to take action. Don't doubt because it just might happen.

@ap

I'll pay $60 a year if I could watch any anime that I want - but so far, english dubs is not worth paying for. I donate to those fansubbers who subs my anime, I donate to those sites who I download their music from. I pay for merchandises that I buy and buy OSTs that I want to keep, but there's no fucking way I could pay for all the 200+ anime titles and 20 OST albums that I've watched and listened to. Besides they get their revenues from the ads that they show so they'll live -

The only problem are those who license anime to english and waste so much money trying to westernize it but only a few % of anime watchers care. They put 4 episodes in a dvd and sell it for 20-30 dollars, when the series is 200 episodes long - who'll buy that whole shit? seriously? and now they bring DMCA and RIAA on their side when they don't even help the economy that much. They're greedy as fuck therefore I will support my fansubbers.
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This shit better not pass
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Jack_Rav said:
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Also you're going to have to prove downloading something for free is harmful to the companies.

I addressed this in my post...


No you didn't.
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ap19 said:
American culture doesn't respect the creators, starting with the whole subculture of rap and hip hop. These two genres of music started out from sampling tunes from other music, and it seems most of America didn't care for what the owners of the original had to say about this. However, in time, many of those with the potential to create original music lost reason to do so, given that anyone could copy them and get credit for it, so the laws changed to meet the bare line which would instigate the creation of original music.

Regardless of how despicable the fact, that American cultural history started from completely disrespecting original creators, is to me, Japan doesn't have the power to do anything about it on Japan's own terms, and this is probably not going to effect the greater half of you anyway. Anyone can put up a personal server with the demanded data.

First off, I was appalled by the posts that showed no signs of guilt for leeching off of other people's works. Then, I find that just about every post here is in favor of such leeching. It's astounding, the difference of cultural ethics.


While your argument about hip hop is partially valid. It is not like America has been exclusive about this, or that other countries are without fault in this either. Even your precious Japan has this issue. I saw on multiple occasions, while in Japan, companies which would use mascot characters which were BLATANT rip-offs. Don't get me wrong, I hardly consider the lack of imagination and disregard for copyright/trademark by a few individuals and small rural businesses to represent Japan. But at the same time, don't generalize all of America with the hip-hop culture. While there are many people on here proud of the fact that they are not paying for stuff in general... most people simply don't have the means to, due to the distribution of it, or simply that they don't make enough money to be buying things at Japanese retail price (which is really hard to do, if you don't make a Japanese wage).

I personally do not buy anime, I find that the licensed versions are mediocre, and both the licensed and the original BD/DVD's prices are not justifiable. (I feel the Japanese pay ridiculous prices for their multimedia; since I have almost never seen American media even close to as expensive.) Generally I have just rented the stuff, or streamed it in the past. However, when it comes to new series, us poor simpletons in the US are often forced to download them, assuming we want to watch them in the next year or so. (although this is now starting to change)

However, I do purchase manga, and lots of it. I own over a thousand volumes of the stuff. I feel that the manga industry deserves more support than the anime industry anyway. I feel that most anime is a shameless cash in, in which authors works are bastardized. Of course this is just my own opinion.... For the most part (with a few exceptions) the anime industry has been undergoing a steady decline ever since the late 90's. I do not feel the companies doing this deserve my support, and instead try to support authors more directly by purchasing their original work. While I feel the anime industry has been on a decline, just trying to maximize profit... I thing the manga industry is actually improving (at least the seinen manga)
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I'm paying a lousy 5 bucks a month all so I can pretend to be a US citizen so I can watch full Netflix content, not merely the content a Canadian is 'allowed' to see.
Omg how? Netflix Canada is fuckin lacking

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The way they want to censor the Internet, I can almost interpret it as if they want to ban the Internet but that's just my point of view.

But it better NOT PASS whatsoever! I know millions of us are completely pissed about it!
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If this happens, I swear to god Anonymous will flip out and start ddosing again.
I also would imagine riots if the internet was censored.
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Bitch please.
Tell the victims to kill eachother.
Dec 5, 2011 10:21 AM

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Before you read this: Please forgive me for the grammar fails in the paragraph ahead since I'm pretty tired right now.

I think I'm gonna have to go with Gabe Newell on why piracy happens and how to fix it. It isn't a lack of money, as much as it is a lack of easily accessible content for a good price. A good example of this is Netflix. Netflix provides a service for a small fee of $7 a month, this service includes easy to access streamed movies and extremely fast shipping of movies. Steam, another service that provides games, is another good example, they provide games by allowing you to download them directly to your home computer without any middle man such as Best Buy etc, allowing them to offer the same games for less (no tax, markups, holiday deals), and in a much more convenient format. Personally I would be more than willing to pay $5-10 a month for a service from anime publishing studios that would allow me to access anime that is directly streamed to my computer (Funimation already does this, and Netflix to a lesser extent) but since not many options such as these exist in terms of anime I will continue to use the torrents due to the ease of access they give me.
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Slyr3do0n said:
MAL is the dark underbelly of the anime community. While other naive fanboys and fangirls run around in real life forming clubs and squealing in deafening high pitch noises about their favourite animus, we remain here, meticulously dismantling the credibility of each and every show, until all that remains is a steaming pile of tropes and ass pulls which we then devour to gratiyfy our glutinous and masochistic desires.
Dec 5, 2011 2:08 PM

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jrgcool35 said:
Personally I would be more than willing to pay $5-10 a month for a service from anime publishing studios that would allow me to access anime that is directly streamed to my computer (Funimation already does this, and Netflix to a lesser extent) but since not many options such as these exist in terms of anime I will continue to use the torrents due to the ease of access they give me.


The only thing I don't like about that is that, with movies and games, the only ones that people want to buy were already here and were created to BE popular here. But a service for anime of the same type would probably not harbor in as many different choices as Netflix or Steam provides, especially factoring in the small anime fanbase.

Another shitty part (for me, at least) of that idea would be that they would be "official sub" releases if it were to be legal. And we all know how horrible official subs can be. Not ALL of them, but some.

I just can't see that working out. Netflix and Steam can do it because of the incredible profit they can rake in from how many people use their services. But with anime? Hmmm.
Dec 5, 2011 3:02 PM

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I find it sad that so many people are absolutely against buying any anime or manga at all. I admit that I have companies I refuse to buy from after shitty translations (sentai filmworks is one of them, definitely), but I still very much support my hobby. Especially considering how many companies I've seen go under just in the past few years here while I've been working in books. Lots of small companies go under, sure, but it's not just them. Just look at Tokyopop's US division earlier this year.

But I digress, as I'm well aware that not everyone is a halfway decent human being and that the anime community as a whole supports vast amounts of piracy without paying into anything at all, even when it's stuff they've re-watched or re-read a dozen times.

As far as this whole internet thing goes, it's not going to pass. Every so often this comes up in discussions and people freak the absolute hell out about it. But it always goes away again because no matter how far it seems to be getting in the governmental system, it never actually goes all the way through. It's like they're teasing the US population as a whole into a sheer blind rage and then backing out going 'haha, fooled you!'. I don't believe for a moment that anything like this will ever get passed here.
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Dec 5, 2011 8:14 PM

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IshokuOsero said:
I find it sad that so many people are absolutely against buying any anime or manga at all. I admit that I have companies I refuse to buy from after shitty translations (sentai filmworks is one of them, definitely), but I still very much support my hobby. Especially considering how many companies I've seen go under just in the past few years here while I've been working in books. Lots of small companies go under, sure, but it's not just them. Just look at Tokyopop's US division earlier this year.

But I digress, as I'm well aware that not everyone is a halfway decent human being and that the anime community as a whole supports vast amounts of piracy without paying into anything at all, even when it's stuff they've re-watched or re-read a dozen times.

As far as this whole internet thing goes, it's not going to pass. Every so often this comes up in discussions and people freak the absolute hell out about it. But it always goes away again because no matter how far it seems to be getting in the governmental system, it never actually goes all the way through. It's like they're teasing the US population as a whole into a sheer blind rage and then backing out going 'haha, fooled you!'. I don't believe for a moment that anything like this will ever get passed here.


Nice holier than thou attitude.
Dec 5, 2011 8:29 PM

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IshokuOsero said:
But I digress, as I'm well aware that not everyone is a halfway decent human being...


Yup, pirating = being a shitty person. Do you enjoy the current season? You seem to be watching most of it. Did you know that quite a bit of it's been licensed? Of course, they haven't come out with the disks or anything, but that shouldn't make any difference. Just saiyan.

Not that I'm trying to single you out, because I agree with many points you're making, but when you're saying that someone that illegally downloads anime isn't still a good person, it really does come down to:

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Nice holier than thou attitude.
Dec 5, 2011 10:20 PM

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ycart59 said:
jrgcool35 said:
Personally I would be more than willing to pay $5-10 a month for a service from anime publishing studios that would allow me to access anime that is directly streamed to my computer (Funimation already does this, and Netflix to a lesser extent) but since not many options such as these exist in terms of anime I will continue to use the torrents due to the ease of access they give me.


The only thing I don't like about that is that, with movies and games, the only ones that people want to buy were already here and were created to BE popular here. But a service for anime of the same type would probably not harbor in as many different choices as Netflix or Steam provides, especially factoring in the small anime fanbase.

Another shitty part (for me, at least) of that idea would be that they would be "official sub" releases if it were to be legal. And we all know how horrible official subs can be. Not ALL of them, but some.

I just can't see that working out. Netflix and Steam can do it because of the incredible profit they can rake in from how many people use their services. But with anime? Hmmm.


And here-in lies the problem, the anime industry needs to either modernize and provide higher quality material like Funimation did (look at how well they are doing because of it) or risk failing and being taken over by publishers/anime writers that do, do it right.
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Slyr3do0n said:
MAL is the dark underbelly of the anime community. While other naive fanboys and fangirls run around in real life forming clubs and squealing in deafening high pitch noises about their favourite animus, we remain here, meticulously dismantling the credibility of each and every show, until all that remains is a steaming pile of tropes and ass pulls which we then devour to gratiyfy our glutinous and masochistic desires.
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